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Title: tell me 30 Rock ain't a top 5 sitcom
Post by: Eschaton on March 04, 2015, 11:50:12 PM
I'm convinced this show is one of the GOATs. Might be a little heavy handed, might even be a little Mary Suish but I don't care. Super rewatchable, classic characters, just the right distribution of guest stars. The character development is hit or miss but hey, it's a sitcom.
Title: Re: tell me 30 Rock ain't a top 5 sitcom
Post by: nudemacusers on March 04, 2015, 11:59:37 PM
the goats in no particular order

that 70's show
third rock from the sun
friends
dharma & greg
everybody loves raymond

no room for snl runoff  :piss2
Title: Re: tell me 30 Rock ain't a top 5 sitcom
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 05, 2015, 12:01:44 AM
snore
Title: Re: tell me 30 Rock ain't a top 5 sitcom
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 05, 2015, 12:02:02 AM
mac you forgot frasier
Title: Re: tell me 30 Rock ain't a top 5 sitcom
Post by: nudemacusers on March 05, 2015, 12:03:41 AM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on March 05, 2015, 12:02:02 AM
mac you forgot frasier
the wacky adventures of the crane bros. is 6 on my list
Title: Re: tell me 30 Rock ain't a top 5 sitcom
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 05, 2015, 12:10:12 AM
Where is Friends?
Title: Re: tell me 30 Rock ain't a top 5 sitcom
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 05, 2015, 12:18:30 AM
itt cacs
Title: Re: tell me 30 Rock ain't a top 5 sitcom
Post by: nachobro on March 05, 2015, 12:21:42 AM
Everybody Loves Raymond  :heh
Title: Re: tell me 30 Rock ain't a top 5 sitcom
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 05, 2015, 12:22:57 AM
:what

edit: Red Foxx emote replaced? Mods help.
Title: Re: tell me 30 Rock ain't a top 5 sitcom
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on March 05, 2015, 12:23:31 AM
Seinfeld
70's
Simpsons
Will & Grace before Harry Connick Jr. shows up
Frasier

there is no room at the inn for your goyim :camby
Title: Re: tell me 30 Rock ain't a top 5 sitcom
Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 05, 2015, 12:27:08 AM
(no order)
Andy Griffith Show
Cheers
Either Bob Newhart show
Seinfeld
Sanford and Son

Decent show, doesn't make my top five though
Title: Re: tell me 30 Rock ain't a top 5 sitcom
Post by: Sausage on March 05, 2015, 12:29:54 AM
Sunny
Seinfeld
Arrested Development
Parks and Rec
Simpsons

Did the last couple 1.5 seasons of Arrested Development really turn people that much off on the show?
Title: Re: tell me 30 Rock ain't a top 5 sitcom
Post by: nachobro on March 05, 2015, 12:31:26 AM
Quote from: Esch on March 05, 2015, 12:26:53 AM
Quote from: nachobro on March 05, 2015, 12:21:42 AM
Everybody Loves Raymond  :heh

only gets my spot because it has the goat grandma/grandpa duo to ever be on television. Consistently accurate/hilarious. And I don't even have old italian grandparents
Okay I actually agree with that. Ray and his brother are straight bitches though.
Title: Re: tell me 30 Rock ain't a top 5 sitcom
Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 05, 2015, 12:32:56 AM
only the barney seasons, btw
Title: Re: tell me 30 Rock ain't a top 5 sitcom
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 05, 2015, 12:33:08 AM
People still watch sitcoms after 2000? Sorry, I got better things to do.

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Title: Re: tell me 30 Rock ain't a top 5 sitcom
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 05, 2015, 12:38:23 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 05, 2015, 12:33:08 AM
People still watch sitcoms after 2000? Sorry, I got better things to do.
Like purchasing Pink albums?
:heh
Title: Re: tell me 30 Rock ain't a top 5 sitcom
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 05, 2015, 12:41:02 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 05, 2015, 12:38:23 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 05, 2015, 12:33:08 AM
People still watch sitcoms after 2000? Sorry, I got better things to do.
Like purchasing Pink albums?
:heh

I don't think a mf'er that stanned for Maroon 5 (at one time) has room to make pop music critiques.

Title: Re: tell me 30 Rock ain't a top 5 sitcom
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 05, 2015, 12:44:32 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 05, 2015, 12:41:02 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 05, 2015, 12:38:23 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 05, 2015, 12:33:08 AM
People still watch sitcoms after 2000? Sorry, I got better things to do.
Like purchasing Pink albums?
:heh

I don't think a mf'er that stanned for Maroon 5 (at one time) has room to make pop music critiques.
I would have you know that Maroon 5's first (major label) album is widely regarded as a classic sir.
Title: Re: tell me 30 Rock ain't a top 5 sitcom
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 05, 2015, 12:56:06 AM
1. Seinfeld
2. Classic Simpsons
3. Arrested Dev
4. Parks and Rec
5. Tie among Frasier, M*A*S*H, the English Office, Peep Show, It's Always Sunny, 30 Rock, Fresh Prince, The Larry Sanders Show, News Radio, All in the Family, Fawlty Towers
6. I actually like Friends.
Title: Re: tell me 30 Rock ain't a top 5 sitcom
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 05, 2015, 01:02:34 AM
Quote from: Esch on March 05, 2015, 12:53:36 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 05, 2015, 12:44:32 AM
I would have you know that Maroon 5's first (major label) album is widely regarded as a classic sir.
:dead

I happen to own that album, but nah. It's a Coldplay album with a little more energy. 7/10 . better than Pink though.
Only a 7? Surely the funky instrumentals, smooth vocals, and countless memorable songs make it a 9/10 at least.

Title: Re: tell me 30 Rock ain't a top 5 sitcom
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 05, 2015, 01:07:17 AM
So...was Titus actually all that funny? Or was it just Stacy Keach?
Title: Re: tell me 30 Rock ain't a top 5 sitcom
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 05, 2015, 01:09:46 AM
Who even remembers that Titus was a thing?
Title: Re: tell me 30 Rock ain't a top 5 sitcom
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 05, 2015, 01:13:09 AM
Quote from: Esch on March 05, 2015, 01:06:16 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 05, 2015, 01:02:34 AM
Only a 7? Surely the funky instrumentals, smooth vocals, and countless memorable songs make it a 9/10 at least.

:mindblown

I never wanna see you imply anything about musical projects lacking in narrative or content that rely on sound, hit singles or catchiness being inferior EVER again :dead
It's funk done right.
Title: Re: tell me 30 Rock ain't a top 5 sitcom
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 05, 2015, 01:42:33 AM
Really liked 30 rock but it's probably not in my top 5 or top 10. But at its best it was quite good. I think I love the smaller jokes that only knowledge nerds or pop culture
nerds would love.

Also just to throw some heat, Friends wouldn't be in my top 100. Most over-rated sitcom of all time. Yeah I said it.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJmtOp5yajI
Title: Re: tell me 30 Rock ain't a top 5 sitcom
Post by: toku on March 05, 2015, 01:51:05 AM
Fraiser, that 70s show and I guess peep show are the only ones I have any real positive connections to. 30 Rock would be up there but some of it's best seasons are tied to some dark times for me. So I remember really weird or sad shit whenever I catch an episode on or something.
Title: Re: tell me 30 Rock ain't a top 5 sitcom
Post by: king of the internet on March 05, 2015, 02:12:39 AM
It falls off somewhere, but still yes. Ridiculously good at it's peak. 
Title: Re: tell me 30 Rock ain't a top 5 sitcom
Post by: helios on March 05, 2015, 06:41:05 AM
This clip got me hooked on the show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTj47rcuM-4

Loved it ever since
Title: Re: tell me 30 Rock ain't a top 5 sitcom
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 05, 2015, 06:55:23 AM
1. Seinfeld
2. Good Simpsons (Seasons 3-6)
3. Curb Your Enthusiasm
4. The Larry Sanders Show
5. Futurama before the first cancellation (Cheers could easily fill this slot as well)

I couldn't get into 30 Rock starting from the third season.  It reminds me of the post cancellation Futurama: it isn't bad but I never laughed once.

Also WTF at That 70s Show in this thread.  That show was garbage :heh
Title: Re: tell me 30 Rock ain't a top 5 sitcom
Post by: pilonv1 on March 05, 2015, 07:26:23 AM
It's nowhere near Newsradio level

maybe season 5 Jon Lovitz/Patrick Warburton Newsradio but not the god tier that was seasons 1-4

Also behind Arrested Development, Futurama, Seinfeld, Cheers, Friends,

real talk: Will & Grace was never funny
Title: Re: tell me 30 Rock ain't a top 5 sitcom
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 05, 2015, 08:35:32 AM
Quote from: Eel O'Brian on March 05, 2015, 12:27:08 AM
(no order)
Andy Griffith Show
Cheers
Either Bob Newhart show
Seinfeld
Sanford and Son

Decent show, doesn't make my top five though


This guy gets it. I'd also say the Cosby show and even Martin are better than 30 rock.
Title: Re: tell me 30 Rock ain't a top 5 sitcom
Post by: sarslip on March 05, 2015, 08:41:50 AM
Get A Life
Strangers With Candy
Title: Re: tell me 30 Rock ain't a top 5 sitcom
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 05, 2015, 09:29:59 AM
Quote from: pilonv1 on March 05, 2015, 07:26:23 AM
It's nowhere near Newsradio level


Newsradio reminded me of Night Court. Amazing cast, but unmemorable episodes.

Also, Will and Grace was one of those shows that had completely dull leads but was saved by the supporting cast. 
Title: Re: tell me 30 Rock ain't a top 5 sitcom
Post by: Steve Contra on March 05, 2015, 12:04:58 PM
Arrested Development is better than all the shit in this thread.  30 Rock has some good stuff, but some real fucking garbage.  Friends is fucking embarrassing and you should be embarrassed if you like it.  In fact most sitcoms are pure unadulterated garbage.
Title: Re: tell me 30 Rock ain't a top 5 sitcom
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 05, 2015, 12:12:52 PM
Quote from: Death Ghidorah on March 05, 2015, 12:00:10 PM
4- Fawlty Towers

Yessssss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcEws7il4EY

It would probably still be funny without John Cleese, but his physicality and the way he does over-the-top anger easily put it up into "all-time classic" territory.
Title: Re: tell me 30 Rock ain't a top 5 sitcom
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 05, 2015, 12:15:43 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on March 05, 2015, 12:04:58 PM
Arrested Development is better than all the shit in this thread.  30 Rock has some good stuff, but some real fucking garbage.  Friends is fucking embarrassing and you should be embarrassed if you like it.  In fact most sitcoms are pure unadulterated garbage.

The first seasons? Absolutely top notch

That Netflix season? Total shit.
Title: Re: tell me 30 Rock ain't a top 5 sitcom
Post by: Sausage on March 05, 2015, 12:19:24 PM
The format of the netflix season really hurt it.
Title: Re: tell me 30 Rock ain't a top 5 sitcom
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 05, 2015, 12:26:01 PM
So now I'm watching 30 rock again.  Thanks. 
Title: Re: tell me 30 Rock ain't a top 5 sitcom
Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 05, 2015, 01:33:29 PM
Supposedly they're doing a recut of the Netflix season:

http://www.avclub.com/article/ron-howard-recording-new-narration-recut-arrested--213894
Title: Re: tell me 30 Rock ain't a top 5 sitcom
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 05, 2015, 01:36:51 PM
I don't think the time order was the problem with the season. It was simply the logistical nightmare of the cast not being able to film scenes together.
Title: Re: tell me 30 Rock ain't a top 5 sitcom
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 05, 2015, 01:53:55 PM
Aside from the first few episodes, I still enjoyed the Netflix season. I'll probably watch it again once it's been recut.
Title: Re: tell me 30 Rock ain't a top 5 sitcom
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on March 05, 2015, 02:03:28 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 05, 2015, 12:15:43 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on March 05, 2015, 12:04:58 PM
Arrested Development is better than all the shit in this thread.  30 Rock has some good stuff, but some real fucking garbage.  Friends is fucking embarrassing and you should be embarrassed if you like it.  In fact most sitcoms are pure unadulterated garbage.

The first seasons? Absolutely top notch

That Netflix season? Total shit.
Man's not wrong.
Title: Re: tell me 30 Rock ain't a top 5 sitcom
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2015, 04:43:21 PM
No order:
That 70's Show
How I Met Your Mother
Home Improvement
Scrubs
3rd Rock from the Sun

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lol jk

God Tier:
Wings

First Tier:
Arrested Development
It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia
The Larry Sanders Show
Yes, Minister/Yes, Prime Minister
Curb Your Enthusiasm
NewsRadio
Manhattan AZ
Seinfeld
30 Rock
Police Squad!

Second Tier:
Don't Trust the Bitch In Apartment 23
My Name Is Earl
Episodes
Veep
Parks and Rec
The Office
Get Smart
Night Court
The League
Sports Night
Frasier
The Middle
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For animated (Simpsons excluded):
King of the Hill
Futurama
The Critic
Rocko's Modern Life
American Dad

It's harder to think of shows than it is to put them in tiers. I cheated and used the first page of the imdb list. I can't believe how big of lull there was in anything else that even stuck around while Seinfeld, Friends and Frasier were on. There's like every classic sitcom you can think of in the thirty years prior, then it all basically stops except for a handful while those three are on for a decade, and then it starts up again where each year seems to add another good show or two.
Title: Re: tell me 30 Rock ain't a top 5 sitcom
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 05, 2015, 06:31:52 PM
Quote from: Esch on March 05, 2015, 12:43:02 AM
I never gave Curb Your Enthusiasm the fair shake. I just don't think neuroticism is my lane. It's why I could never get into Always Sunny :'(

The show is very repetitive in terms of structure, but it works 90% of the time - at least up to S4 (I haven't seen the rest of the seasons). The recurring gags and snowball effect of fuckery in each episode just cracks me up.
Title: Re: tell me 30 Rock ain't a top 5 sitcom
Post by: chronovore on March 05, 2015, 06:47:01 PM
It’s currently my favorite sitcom. I also like Curb Your Enthusiasm, Seinfeld, am so-so on Friends, and warmed to Big Bang Theory during a cultural deprivation streak during a family crisis in Turkey last year.

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 05, 2015, 06:31:52 PM
Quote from: Esch on March 05, 2015, 12:43:02 AM
I never gave Curb Your Enthusiasm the fair shake. I just don't think neuroticism is my lane. It's why I could never get into Always Sunny :'(

The show is very repetitive in terms of structure, but it works 90% of the time - at least up to S4 (I haven't seen the rest of the seasons). The recurring gags and snowball effect of fuckery in each episode just cracks me up.
Seasons 5 and 6 are perfect. Season 7 is a bridge too far.
Title: Re: tell me 30 Rock ain't a top 5 sitcom
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2015, 07:00:28 PM
Quote from: Death Ghidorah on March 05, 2015, 06:47:12 PM
I honestly dislike Always Sunny a lot now. I enjoyed it a lot when it first began, but I can live without ever watching an episode ever again. The schtick wore thin a long time ago with me.
The show dipped strongly but the High School Reunion saved everything and I prefer the last few seasons to the first few.
Title: Re: tell me 30 Rock ain't a top 5 sitcom
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2015, 07:06:46 PM
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Title: Re: tell me 30 Rock ain't a top 5 sitcom
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2015, 07:53:21 PM
filthy nasty garbage

 :mouf