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Title: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 19, 2015, 10:39:57 AM
ruh roh

http://www.vg247.com/2015/03/19/konami-responds-to-rumors-pertaining-to-hideo-kojima-exit/
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Post by: Positive Touch on March 19, 2015, 10:40:55 AM
link us ya nurb
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on March 19, 2015, 10:41:32 AM
Just saw the news. Looks as hopeful as movie studios moving releases of movies to February.  :beli
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: T-Short on March 19, 2015, 10:46:09 AM
KojiPro dead as well, seems so
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 19, 2015, 10:55:48 AM
Who gives a shit? Metal Gear has been complete shit for the last few games anyway.
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Positive Touch on March 19, 2015, 11:03:36 AM
true but they were the last staff that was working on games at Konami, right? they gonna exit the industry after this?
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Purple Filth on March 19, 2015, 11:06:22 AM
Who gives a shit? Metal Gear has been complete shit for the last few games anyway.

they were raking in bank though along with PES (but that already seems dead) so it should be interesting to see this unfold
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 19, 2015, 11:16:15 AM
MGS4 is the only bad one
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Bebpo on March 19, 2015, 12:35:37 PM
Sounds like MGSV is done (like rumors suggested) and Kojima put his foot down about him being done with the series and ready to move on.

To which, I'm sure Konami said "lol, no" and so Kojima finally finally said fuck you guys I'm outta here and quit, and now Konami is being pissy and removing all Kojima's prestige titles to get back at him since the company is about to go down in flames with Kojima gone.


I'm fine with no more mgs, TPP will probably be awesome and it likely brings the story full cycle and the only thing left after it would be MG1&2 modern remakes, but they'll do that without Kojima and they'll probably suck.
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: kick51 on March 19, 2015, 12:37:56 PM
MGS4 is the only bad one

i wasn't fond of Peace Walker or Portable Ops either. 


either way, this sucks!  on the plus side, Phantom Pain should be huge and ridiculously replayable.
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on March 19, 2015, 01:19:25 PM
Peace walker was "ehhhh...." at best.

Portable ops was actually rather fun, but I feel the control scheme did not fit well on a hand held.
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Bebpo on March 19, 2015, 01:39:56 PM
Peace Walker story was shit, but the gameplay was good fun.  Portable Ops gameplay was kind of weak because of the controls and PSP limits, but the story was enjoyable.
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Post by: cool breeze on March 19, 2015, 01:49:27 PM
peace walker is fine for a handheld game played in small chunks (aside from the lame boss battles).  it got rid of most detail and experimentation in gameplay to make a very streamlined and simplified version of metal gear.

ground zeroes is good fun and phantom pain building off it is great, but I'm still disappointed we never got a full game made with MGS4 gameplay.
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: demi on March 19, 2015, 01:58:00 PM
as the #1 kojima fan i will list the best metal gear games

number one

metal gear acid

number two

metal gear acid 2

number three

metal gear solid ghost babel


thats it! enjoy the best metal gear games out now.
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: mormapope on March 19, 2015, 02:03:49 PM
I share the same sentiment that any longtime MGS fan shares, MGS4 was colossal turd that dampened my enjoyment of the franchise. But after Rising, Ground Zeroes, the HD collection, I fell back in love with the franchise. MGSV is looking like a great note to end on, for mainline Metal Gear Solid to end on.

Kojima without Konami will probably be interesting as fuck.
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 19, 2015, 02:04:11 PM
Yeah....K

I liked the one for nintendo (not the second one), the one for PS2 (not the other ones) and that's it.

The story is this game is so goddamn confusing as this point you'd think it was written by Tommy Wiseau.
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: mormapope on March 19, 2015, 02:11:25 PM
MGS stories as a whole are convoluted and melodramatic as fuck, doesn't mean they aren't fun to follow or the themes/ideas aren't neatly executed.
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 19, 2015, 02:13:34 PM
MGS stories as a whole are convoluted and melodramatic as fuck, doesn't mean they aren't fun to follow or the themes/ideas aren't neatly executed.

I've seen better story lines executed on Saved by the Bell, dude.
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: bork on March 19, 2015, 02:13:55 PM
Holy shit.

Quote

    A fallout between Kojima Productions and its owning publisher, Konami, has led to senior staff at the studio being restricted access to corporate internet, emails, and phone, GameSpot understands.

    Along with the restricted communications, key developers at the studio, such as Hideo Kojima, will now have limited opportunities to lend their appearance to promotions of the studio’s upcoming game, Metal Gear Solid 5: The Phantom Pain. Power struggles between Kojima Productions and Konami have led the publisher to make drastic changes, including the employee status of its Metal Gear team. Some senior staff at the studio, including Kojima, now essentially work as contractors, not permanent employees.

    The extraordinary measures were revealed by a source within the studio, speaking to GameSpot on the condition of anonymity. The person explained that, once the Phantom Pain project is finished, in all likelihood the management at the studio will disband.

    "After we finish MGSV, Mr. Kojima and upper management will leave Konami. They said their contract ends in December," the source claimed.

    The person added: "At a team meeting, Mr Kojima explained that team have to be one and make a good game for fans."

So I guess this will be it for Konami.  I mean, what do they have left?  Even key members behind Love Plus quit.
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Post by: Take My Breh Away on March 19, 2015, 02:16:41 PM
Who gives a shit? Metal Gear has been complete shit for the last few games anyway.

they were raking in bank though along with PES (but that already seems dead) so it should be interesting to see this unfold

PES 15 was an absolute clusterfuck where the PS4 version had massive framerate issues. The xbone version was 720P  and the PC version was the last gen version mixed with the new gen because "reasons". The "next gen" versions were also looking worse than FIFA 15 and it bombed even in Europe.

The entire state of that product :ufup

Accepting any other football games in your life other than Sensible Soccer :ufup
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Bebpo on March 19, 2015, 02:19:25 PM
Of course.  Kojima runs the studio and is a cool and extremely talented guy.  When he leaves, everyone with half a brain at the company is going with him.  Konami game division is super fucked, who knows if Silent Hills will still come out even.  Might get canned like the last Del Toro game "Insane" when THQ died.


Good news being that if Kojima isn't ready to retire on a beach sipping margeritas for the rest of his life and still wants to make games, just not MGS, he should have plenty of funds and tons of good fellow staff and connections to make games with.  So it's possible we get something cool out of this as gamers and it's a win win for everyone (except MGS fans but there's been enough MGS games by now that are highly replayable so just replay those every few years, and Silent Hill fans but they're used to getting shit on all the time anyhow; remember Book of Memories?).
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 19, 2015, 02:20:09 PM
I dont like mgs, but if koijma leaves konami they are dead
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 19, 2015, 02:20:25 PM
Wonder if EA will buy the castlevania IP so they can bumble fuck it into oblivion.
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: bork on March 19, 2015, 02:21:00 PM
Kojima should join Platinum Games.

(http://i.imgur.com/MOjHgoA.gif)
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 19, 2015, 02:22:11 PM
Sony will prob set him up
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 19, 2015, 02:22:58 PM
Sony will prob set him up

Nah, that makes too much sense. He'll land at some xbox studio, watch.
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: suppadoopa on March 19, 2015, 02:23:49 PM
Thank God Kojima is bouncing out. It's not up to him to prop up Konami.

Konami is officially a PES dispenser now
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 19, 2015, 02:24:45 PM
Snatcher 2 on Morpheus

Do it
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: mormapope on March 19, 2015, 02:25:07 PM
Kojima should join Platinum Games.

(http://i.imgur.com/MOjHgoA.gif)

He would definitely bring something different to their portfolio.

Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 19, 2015, 02:25:39 PM
Thank God Kojima is bouncing out. It's not up to him to prop up Konami.

Konami is officially a PES dispenser now

Konami, in it's current form, won't be around by 2017.

Look forward to the new mobile future.
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: bork on March 19, 2015, 02:29:12 PM
Konami, in it's current form, won't be around by 2017.

I would say so given that their current form is "that company who publishes Hideo's Metal Gear games."
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 19, 2015, 02:30:21 PM
Konami, in it's current form, won't be around by 2017.

I would say so given that their current form is "that company who publishes Hideo's Metal Gear games."

What I mean is that they won't be publishing shit for current gen or PC that's new. It'll be best of collections and mobilevanias from here on out.
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: mormapope on March 19, 2015, 02:33:03 PM
Castlevania is deader than dead, you'd think they would release shitty mobile games, but they aren't doing that even. Lords of Shadow 2 killed their chubb completely.
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: suppadoopa on March 19, 2015, 02:33:50 PM

Konami, in it's current form, won't be around by 2017.


Eh maybe as game company, but they still have their Health and Gambling business to fall back too
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 19, 2015, 02:35:48 PM
Castlevania is deader than dead, you'd think they would release shitty mobile games, but they aren't doing that even. Lords of Shadow 2 killed their chubb completely.

But I so look forward to Castevania Rondo of the Index Finger on my Galaxy bro!
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: kick51 on March 19, 2015, 02:38:46 PM
Kojima should join Platinum Games.

(http://i.imgur.com/MOjHgoA.gif)


 :omg
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: archie4208 on March 19, 2015, 02:42:52 PM
Doesn't Konami make bank via Yu Gi Oh cards?
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 19, 2015, 02:43:31 PM
Doesn't Konami make bank via Yu Gi Oh cards?

Nobody is saying Konami is broke or struggling. We're saying their gaming division is about done dude.
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Post by: Bebpo on March 19, 2015, 02:44:58 PM
I'd be surprised if he worked for anyone else.  Dude has to be pretty baller at this point (he was the CEO of the game division for a while wasn't he?), he's got his team & friends, and he could probably get some financial investors to back him opening an independent studio with self-publishing.  At most I can see him teaming with a publisher for physical copy production and sales whatever his new studio makes.

Or he could go to Platinum and hang with them while they either go bankrupt again or become a Legend of Korra style pump out licensed games studio.
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 19, 2015, 02:48:07 PM
I was looking forward to MGS5 multiplayer but I guess we can't expect any support for that after launch.  :(
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: mormapope on March 19, 2015, 02:48:39 PM
No matter where Kojima goes, MGS fans are sure to follow. Him going to Platinum means Platinum will get more console exclusive contracts up the ass potentially. Same goes for any studio that wants him/is willing to pay for him and his team.

"From the Creator of Metal Gear Solid" alone is enough for Sony/Microsoft to shit themselves with glee.
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Post by: Bebpo on March 19, 2015, 02:49:01 PM
Castlevania is deader than dead, you'd think they would release shitty mobile games, but they aren't doing that even. Lords of Shadow 2 killed their chubb completely.

Yeah, I really think this is going to kill the new Silent Hill completely.  Shame, as a fan of the series whose still sticking there through every new entry with a new developer that ends up being mediocre, was looking forward to a Japan develop SH again.
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Post by: Purple Filth on March 19, 2015, 02:49:22 PM
Doesn't Konami make bank via Yu Gi Oh cards?

Yea.

it seems the gaming section is now fucked rather than Konami on a whole
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Bebpo on March 19, 2015, 02:51:27 PM
No matter where Kojima goes, MGS fans are sure to follow. Him going to Platinum means Platinum will get more console exclusive contracts up the ass potentially. Same goes for any studio that wants him/is willing to pay for him and his team.

"From the Creator of Metal Gear Solid" alone is enough for Sony/Microsoft to shit themselves with glee.

To be fair, while I have mad respect for the guy and he's probably my favorite game designer in the industry, "From the Creator of Metal Gear Solid" failed twice already with Boktai and ZoE.  Not really sure how much weight his name will carry outside MGS. 

Man, I forgot about ZoE3.  That really sucked when he wanted to go forward with it and kept pushing but Konami wouldn't greenlight it.
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Post by: mormapope on March 19, 2015, 02:51:33 PM
Yeah, I really think this is going to kill the new Silent Hill completely.  Shame, as a fan of the series whose still sticking there through every new entry with a new developer that ends up being mediocre, was looking forward to a Japan develop SH again.

All the goodwill that free demo caused instantly vanishing is pretty fucked up. It was an internet sensation, people that weren't Silent Hill fans before were excited by something related to Silent Hill.
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Post by: Bebpo on March 19, 2015, 02:54:40 PM
Yes, all that goodwill and internet sensation of P.T. may be the only thing that saves it as Konami might feel it's worth funding with whoever they can get since it could be a hit because of P.T.'s reception.  But it's still a gamble and quite ironically (since they make most of their money from Pachinko) Konami doesn't like to gamble on games.
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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 19, 2015, 02:54:53 PM
Ya know, I don't know nearly as much about the guy as you all do but it seems as if the last 10 years of his career pretty much went like this:


HK  "I think we should make X, I think the fans will enjoy it"

Konami  "No"

HK  "I think we've milked MG for long enough, let's build a new IP"

Konami "no"

HK  "I need more time to complete X"

Konami "no"

No wonder the fucking guy wants out.
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: mormapope on March 19, 2015, 02:55:11 PM
To be fair, while I have mad respect for the guy and he's probably my favorite game designer in the industry, "From the Creator of Metal Gear Solid" failed twice already with Boktai and ZoE.  Not really sure how much weight his name will carry outside MGS. 

Man, I forgot about ZoE3.  That really sucked when he wanted to go forward with it and kept pushing but Konami wouldn't greenlight it.

True, but the game environment now is completely different. Nintendo was willing to pay for Bayonetta 2 just cause, something to add to their dire library. Microsoft is paying for Scalebound, while Hideki Kamiya's previous game The Wonderful 101 bombed.

If anything Kojima's legacy has grown since ZoE and Boktai, he's a bigger name now than then.
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Post by: bork on March 19, 2015, 02:56:44 PM
Castlevania is deader than dead, you'd think they would release shitty mobile games, but they aren't doing that even. Lords of Shadow 2 killed their chubb completely.

Yeah, what are you talking about AIA?  They haven't made an actual Metroidvania in like seven years now.   :lol
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 19, 2015, 02:58:29 PM
Castlevania is deader than dead, you'd think they would release shitty mobile games, but they aren't doing that even. Lords of Shadow 2 killed their chubb completely.

Yeah, what are you talking about AIA?  They haven't made an actual Metroidvania in like seven years now.   :lol

Shows how much I keep up  :yeshrug
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 19, 2015, 03:01:27 PM
true but they were the last staff that was working on games at Konami, right? they gonna exit the industry after this?

Konami has their Japan-only baseball games, which are actually really good.
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Positive Touch on March 19, 2015, 03:25:25 PM
are they developed internally or contracted out?

even if Konami gives up on gaming, I really really hope they'll come up with a way to rerelease their older games. that have shittons of classics and it'd be nice to have an easy way to play them. even if my dream of a collection of all the old castlevania games will never happen.
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Post by: Rman on March 19, 2015, 03:28:02 PM
Oscar was right, guys.

Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 19, 2015, 03:33:44 PM
are they developed internally or contracted out?

even if Konami gives up on gaming, I really really hope they'll come up with a way to rerelease their older games. that have shittons of classics and it'd be nice to have an easy way to play them. even if my dream of a collection of all the old castlevania games will never happen.

The PowerPro team is internal.
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: bork on March 19, 2015, 03:37:06 PM
Is there another Japanese company that has 'fallen' as hard as Konami has?  It's like they literally have nothing but Metal Gear at this point.
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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on March 19, 2015, 03:44:34 PM
Kojima strikes me as a very bad manager.
Like I was watching an interview about MGS 4 and he said that it was a 100+ person team but sometimes it felt like him against a 100+ person team.
When I heard that I was like "Oh, so that's why it went wrong. He can't manage. Makes sense"
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Post by: Takao on March 19, 2015, 03:47:35 PM
I don't think I've ever seen a company lose as much key staff as Konami has in the past couple of years. The management at that company has to be extremely fucked.
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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on March 19, 2015, 04:09:13 PM
Take game developers and think they can manage huge teams brehs.
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Rman on March 19, 2015, 04:18:28 PM
Kojima strikes me as a very bad manager.
Like I was watching an interview about MGS 4 and he said that it was a 100+ person team but sometimes it felt like him against a 100+ person team.
When I heard that I was like "Oh, so that's why it went wrong. He can't manage. Makes sense"

Auteurs tend to be bad managers.  It's why in Hollywood, great directors usually are paired with great producers.
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: SantaC on March 19, 2015, 04:34:05 PM
Is there another Japanese company that has 'fallen' as hard as Konami has?  It's like they literally have nothing but Metal Gear at this point.

Konami will be better without Kojima.

Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Bebpo on March 19, 2015, 04:43:42 PM
Is there another Japanese company that has 'fallen' as hard as Konami has?  It's like they literally have nothing but Metal Gear at this point.

Konami will be better without Kojima.

lolololol
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: thisismyusername on March 19, 2015, 04:47:42 PM
MGS4 is the only bad one

Eh, Portable Ops as well. Otherwise MGS1-3, 5 were decent.

Is there another Japanese company that has 'fallen' as hard as Konami has?  It's like they literally have nothing but Metal Gear at this point.

Konami will be better without Kojima.

 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Oh, wait, you're serious?

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Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on March 19, 2015, 04:55:15 PM
Is there another Japanese company that has 'fallen' as hard as Konami has?  It's like they literally have nothing but Metal Gear at this point.

Konami will be better without Kojima.
Holy hell.
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: SantaC on March 19, 2015, 06:10:21 PM
well you know, maybe Konami will actually try now and not have Kojima stick his nose in every konami game?
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Post by: brob on March 19, 2015, 06:13:45 PM
I don't doubt that Kojima was a bad/inefficient manager, but the one time kojipro tried to make a game without him managing it they had to give it to someone else to pull something worth publishing out of it. :heh

Hope this is the push Konami needs to just pull the plug on all their internal development and start contracting the shit out of their huge vault of IPs.

Hard Corps: Uprising 2  :gladbron

Gradius VI :mouf

Paro Wars iOS  :lawd
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Rufus on March 19, 2015, 06:14:01 PM
well you know, maybe Konami will actually try now and not have Kojima stick his nose in every konami game?
Or exit console gaming altogether. If that's what you count as better off then fair enough.
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Takao on March 19, 2015, 06:14:29 PM
well you know, maybe Konami will actually try now and not have Kojima stick his nose in every konami game?

or, you know, maybe konami will stop making console/handheld games entirely once kojima is gone
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: SantaC on March 19, 2015, 06:28:50 PM
well you know, maybe Konami will actually try now and not have Kojima stick his nose in every konami game?

or, you know, maybe konami will stop making console/handheld games entirely once kojima is gone

I doubt it. What's so great about Kojima anyway? MGS4 was a massive disappointment.
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Rufus on March 19, 2015, 06:31:16 PM
They sell.
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on March 19, 2015, 06:32:29 PM
What else does konami Have that's equivalent?
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: kick51 on March 19, 2015, 06:36:31 PM
they'll hire some western scum to make P.T.
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: SantaC on March 19, 2015, 06:37:46 PM
What else does konami Have that's equivalent?

they have lots of potential IPs lying around that they dont do jack shit with. Actually trying would be some progress.
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Takao on March 19, 2015, 06:43:15 PM
people loved the silent hills and suikodens made by teams that had little to do with the original games
i'm sure metal gear will be okay
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: mormapope on March 19, 2015, 06:47:10 PM
SantaC your hate boner for Kojima and MGS is clearly clouding your thought process. Konami is a fucking joke, Kojima was promoted throughout the years and essentially the public face for Konami. He probably begged Konami to release Rising and Ground Zeroes/MGS V on PC, since he was the CEO of digital distribution. The engine his team worked on is used for a soccer game that gets trumped by FIFA every year, and nothing else, because Konami was lobotomized some time ago.

Sticking his nose in Silent Hill? Yeah, because that series hasn't been dragged through pig shit. Konami will probably be better without him because they're bowing out of gaming, they'll become a health/gambling company completely. Lets not pretend though that Kojima and his colleuges haven't carried Konami's desolate ass when it comes to games.
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Akala on March 19, 2015, 08:17:28 PM
as said before in thread, health/fitness and gambling future I guess. there is a Contra slot machine now lol.

I am most bummed about Silent Hills tbh. had guarded hopes on that one. Konami has been pretty trash on the gaming front since PS2 honestly. soo many IP's they could farm out (Hudson stuff as well). Kind of a shame, but they aren't the only ones...
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: thisismyusername on March 19, 2015, 08:17:46 PM
Sticking his nose in Silent Hill? Yeah, because that series hasn't been dragged through pig shit. Konami will probably be better without him because they're bowing out of gaming, they'll become a health/gambling company completely. Lets not pretend though that Kojima and his colleuges haven't carried Konami's desolate ass when it comes to games.

And this is why I laugh at SantaC. Kojima is literally the only thing carrying Konami around and they knew it. Now they're going to go into death flailing eventually.
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 19, 2015, 08:36:35 PM
Well I don't know how to feel about this.

Looking at the MGS angle, well I'm kind of happy. MGS has been garbage since three. 4, PO, and PW. All shit! 5 seems solid as a game, but the mystique of the series is gone and damaged. Though 5 also seems to be lacking. So the idea of there being no more Kojima MGS is somewhat exciting. I'd rather MGS just end and I feel Kojima should have stopped a while ago. So closing the book on that saga is past over due. Yet, I know we'd at least get another game as Konami is'nt going to let it just die. They'll beat and whore it around like SH. Yet, I do believe they'll be willing to spend some actual money on it. So a new team making a non Kojima MGS reboot has the chance of being freash and diffrent. Yet, also terrible. It's exciting anyway.

Yet while I think most Kojima games have sucked for awhile. This still means no Silent Hill and for sure no Zone of the Enders from him. I've wanted him to do non MGS stuff and working on other Konami projects would be the next best thing. SHs sounded like an interesting project. It will probably just get canceled.

Though I'm sure he will have no problem getting someone to fund a new studio he could create.

And really if Konami stops making games. I wouldn't notice. They don't do shit as it is. Any hope that the Fox Engine would light a fire in them has hardly shown it self and if the rumors are true then that's all but extinguished.

So I guess I kind of feel a big meh about this.
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 19, 2015, 10:50:32 PM
Japanese development takes another loss.
non-indie game autership takes another loss.
Konami keeps finding new ways to screw the pooch.

this is all bad, even if you don't like Kojima.  Konami just giving up as a traditional game maker is not good.
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Bebpo on March 19, 2015, 10:54:19 PM
Japanese development takes another loss.
non-indie game autership takes another loss.
Konami keeps finding new ways to screw the pooch.

this is all bad, even if you don't like Kojima.  Konami just giving up as a traditional game maker is not good.

Or you see it as a good thing because all the talent is leaving and can do what they want independently now instead of forced to keep making solely MGS games.
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Positive Touch on March 19, 2015, 11:00:10 PM
what about those of us who don't particularly care about what Kojima will do but are sad bc Konami will sit on all their old properties and let them fade away
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 19, 2015, 11:09:08 PM
They were going to do that with or without Kojima.
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Positive Touch on March 19, 2015, 11:14:25 PM
but teh memories
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 19, 2015, 11:23:45 PM
I'm sure the soon to be Konami talent exodus will eventually create the seeds for some great indie stuff down the line.  Hell, frigging Treasure had the same origin over two decades ago.

I'm bummed because Konami is one of the few JPN publisher who could, but apparently won't even try to compete for a global audience anymore.  They're endemic of the waning Japanese development scene, and they didn't have to be.  Namco was sliding down this path themselves and have taken steps to right the ship, they're still relevant, even if they aren't making games that effortlessly sell millions around the world anymore.

Konami has the resources and staff to make games, to make great games, but they won't use them.  Their cruel and unnecessary shuttering of Hudson was the bellwether I suppose.  They still make games, but Japanese exclusive smartphone games and sports sims (and fine, Winning Eleven) don't do anything to continue the legacy of what was one of the finest gaming brands that ever existed.  Its a Lucasarts-esque retraction that's all the more sad because it never needed to happen and continues to frusterate the people who hold out hope that they'll ever get their swing back.

They won't, they don't even want to try.
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: kick51 on March 19, 2015, 11:25:25 PM
they're sitting on more IP than capcom.  do they really just not have any good proposals/ideas for contra, castlevania, etc
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on March 19, 2015, 11:25:43 PM
This thing is fucked mostly because it seems like it basically happened overnight, or at least was in the works behind his back. Just last night Kojima was business as usual on his twitter account posting about the stuff he did regarding the game and retweeting Metal Gear stuff from both fans and the Konami twitter, I hope everything works out for the guy.  :tocry

they're sitting on more IP than capcom.  do they really just not have any good proposals/ideas for contra, castlevania, etc

They occasionally do good things, like when they outsourced to Arcsys to make Hard Corps: Uprising.

More often than that, they try to "reimagine" their franchises and we get Lords of Shadow, Silent Hill: Book of Memories and the Suikoden games that toss everything people liked about the original games out the window.

Iga is still locked somewhere in the company basement, forbidden from making more Castlevania.
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: kick51 on March 19, 2015, 11:48:19 PM
yeah ASW Contra is awesome and the kind of thing I'd like to see more of.  except they didn't call it contra and it probably sold half as much as it would have.
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 19, 2015, 11:53:38 PM
call me crazy, but I much preferred the Wii exclusive downloadable Contra:Rebirth (by his holiness, I mean M2).

Hard Corps was not at all bad, but Rebirth, now there's some real nice throwback action and pixel art there I tells ya.  I wouldn't blame anyone for missing it though, as the Wii download games were essentially a niche within a niche within a crevice.
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on March 19, 2015, 11:57:19 PM
The Rebirth games were all something else though.  :lawd

A huge shame that they're all gonna stay stuck in the Wii shop channel ghetto until the day Nintendo pull the plug on it, they deserve better. Even managed to turn Castlevania The Adventure into a really good game.
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: mormapope on March 20, 2015, 12:05:38 AM
This thing is fucked mostly because it seems like it basically happened overnight, or at least was in the works behind his back. Just last night Kojima was business as usual on his twitter account posting about the stuff he did regarding the game and retweeting Metal Gear stuff from both fans and the Konami twitter, I hope everything works out for the guy.  :tocry

they're sitting on more IP than capcom.  do they really just not have any good proposals/ideas for contra, castlevania, etc

They occasionally do good things, like when they outsourced to Arcsys to make Hard Corps: Uprising.

More often than that, they try to "reimagine" their franchises and we get Lords of Shadow, Silent Hill: Book of Memories and the Suikoden games that toss everything people liked about the original games out the window.

Iga is still locked somewhere in the company basement, forbidden from making more Castlevania.

Iga isn't at Konami anymore the last time I heard.

Yeah, he left last year.
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on March 20, 2015, 12:10:20 AM
Oh...  :'(

I didn't like Igavania all that much, but seeing a new 2d castlevania every couple of years felt like tradition. I'd rather have had that continue in lieu of classicvania being six feet under.
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Takao on March 20, 2015, 12:55:22 AM
Konami's talent bleed is so bad that they make Square Enix look like Nintendo. You know things are bad when the guys behind the perv games bounce (http://gematsu.com/2015/03/akari-uchida-and-mino-taro-depart-from-konami).
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: tiesto on March 20, 2015, 12:55:31 AM
Fuck Konami, they shit the bed after the PS2 generation... Kojima will hopefully be better off on his own.
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Tasty on March 20, 2015, 01:46:15 AM
Sony will prob set him up

Nah he's gonna go to Sora/Nintendo to be with his BFF Sakurai.
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 20, 2015, 08:32:28 AM
http://kotaku.com/konami-pledges-to-make-more-metal-gear-1692565617

:beli
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: kick51 on March 20, 2015, 08:50:27 AM
kojima's last personal tweet:
https://twitter.com/HIDEO_KOJIMA_EN/status/577403046663061504

 :'(
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: SantaC on March 20, 2015, 09:06:20 AM
Sticking his nose in Silent Hill? Yeah, because that series hasn't been dragged through pig shit. Konami will probably be better without him because they're bowing out of gaming, they'll become a health/gambling company completely. Lets not pretend though that Kojima and his colleuges haven't carried Konami's desolate ass when it comes to games.

And this is why I laugh at SantaC. Kojima is literally the only thing carrying Konami around and they knew it. Now they're going to go into death flailing eventually.

so hire some actual talent? People in here give up way too easy.
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Rufus on March 20, 2015, 09:29:42 AM
Companies in this industry tend to fail and shatter into thousand pieces.

You can't just buy your way to success and if the suits decide that it's too risky they'll just not do it at all. I don't actually know how big they are, but handheld Castlevania numbers are probably not enough, even if they have some measure of guaranteed success. That's in general the issue with publishers. They grow to match their biggest success, then they have to keep topping past sales just to maintain the size.
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: kick51 on March 20, 2015, 09:32:58 AM
I'm guessing every attempt at contra, silent hill, gradius V, castlevania, etc. for the past decade+ have been steadily declining.  konami seems like a company that's sick of trying.  that's why the earnings reports cite the Metal Gear division or whatever
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 20, 2015, 10:16:12 AM
http://kotaku.com/konami-pledges-to-make-more-metal-gear-1692565617

:beli

Learn 2 read wratharoo
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Mr. Nobody on March 20, 2015, 11:29:58 AM
well you know, maybe Konami will actually try now and not have Kojima stick his nose in every konami game?

or, you know, maybe konami will stop making console/handheld games entirely once kojima is gone

I doubt it. What's so great about Kojima anyway? MGS4 was a massive disappointment.

gr8 b8 m8
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: kick51 on March 20, 2015, 12:29:28 PM
i wonder if they'll keep Kiefer for future games.  or maybe they'll go back to Hayter.   or just nolan north that shit
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Positive Touch on March 20, 2015, 12:57:23 PM
David Hayter vo dlc patch for MGSV only $19.99
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Purple Filth on March 20, 2015, 02:19:04 PM
People acknowledging SantaC's shit

 :ufup


didn't the Love Plus guy leave also?

if so they don't even have the games those crazy otakus will shell out for anymore.  :lol
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Sho Nuff on March 20, 2015, 02:41:16 PM
The Love Plus guy was also the Rumble Roses guy and I'm SO MAD
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 20, 2015, 11:27:21 PM
I was at a casino last weekend and about half of the slot machines I saw there were made by Konami.

A shame Konami is basically done with video games.  I may play the Parodius games as a "pour a 40 out" moment.
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: thisismyusername on March 21, 2015, 12:33:25 AM
so hire some actual talent? People in here give up way too easy.

If Konami was going to do that, they wouldn't have closed Kojima productions, now wouldn't they?

Konami is facing the same shit Capcom has been in since the mid 08's: A talent bleed and new talent is not entering the company. In fact, Konami has been in that state for FAR longer than Capcom. Konami has also sat on IP's for longer than Capcom.

Kojima and Metal Gear Solid is the only reason Konami actually is "relevant" in the west. DDR was killed, Beatmania has been dead since Arcades died. Pro Evo Soccer doesn't hold a candle to FIFA for most people.

People acknowledging SantaC's shit

 :ufup

True, but his hate boner for Kojima is irrational. Kojima isn't the reason Konami is in the shit they're in. Konami is solely the reason they're in the shit they're in. If Kojima had stepped down after MGS3 and introduced new IP's or  hell... looked at returning IP's (SUP CASTLEVANIA AND SILENT HILL!?) maybe Konami would be in a different place than they're in, maybe. But that's a looooooong maybe.
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: kick51 on March 21, 2015, 12:06:07 PM
I was at a casino last weekend and about half of the slot machines I saw there were made by Konami.

A shame Konami is basically done with video games.  I may play the Parodius games as a "pour a 40 out" moment.

right.  many are missing that they make money elsewhere.  enough money to bump off an idolized game dev.
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Takao on March 21, 2015, 01:49:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHXZ-8qEmwE
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 21, 2015, 11:13:52 PM
I was at a casino last weekend and about half of the slot machines I saw there were made by Konami.

A shame Konami is basically done with video games.  I may play the Parodius games as a "pour a 40 out" moment.

I forgot how good the Parodius music is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rizIio03cFQ
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Positive Touch on March 21, 2015, 11:38:27 PM
i'd love it if Kojima had to work on a limited budget. his gameplay ideas are usually great but it's his terrible stories that bring down his games. less cutscenes equals more fun. gimme another boktai type game.
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Tasty on March 22, 2015, 12:35:07 AM
I forgot about Boktai. That game was good?
Title: Re: So Konami is scrubbing Hideo Kojima's name off all his games?
Post by: Positive Touch on March 22, 2015, 12:40:25 AM
yeah it's like a kiddie mgs. stealth but fun puzzles and lite rpg elements. i loved it personally tho i can see how it wouldn't be that interesting to some people. b2 was cool too tho i couldn't finish it cuz you needed a lot a more sun and i was playing on an og gba.