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Title: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on March 23, 2015, 11:39:43 PM
- The dark souls series isn't all that great. Making a game difficult by just making it obtuse doesn't make it great. Dragon's Dogma was better in nearly every way, it just doesn't enjoy the same amount of fedora hype.
- AAA gaming is all garbage.
- To a certain extent I believe that modern console games are generally crap because most developers don't know how to leverage everything. What I mean is that before, you were limited by hardware so developers had to get creative. That cut out a lot of excess crap and bad ideas because they simply couldn't put everything in. Now that they can they're like George Lucas with a blue screen and huge budget. Very few developers actually know how to make something from everything. I think that Bethseda is one of the best. Skyrim is a good example of having everything but not letting it make your game stupid
- Nintendo makes very very good games. If you can't enjoy some of them chances are you have little to no soul.
- Nintendo was actually wise in not putting too much investment in the current generation. As to whether that was intentional or a happy accident is up for debate.
- I see little point in this current console generation. It's like its just waiting to die and be replaced by PCs
- Toilet gaming is terrible. TERRIBLE.
- The thing that made jRPGs fun wasn't that they were epic. It's that they were a little epic, with a lot of whimsy. That's why jrpgs died. They took away the humor and we got FFXIII.
- Final Fantasy X -2 was the last good non-MMO final fantasy game released
- Final Fantasy XV and its offshoots will be the last in the Final fantasy series.
- 80% of indie games (possibly more) are literally not worth the time it takes to download them. But a very small few are really incredible.
- Videogames are largely not statements about society, gender roles, racism, sociopolitical pressures. They're games. Trying to find meaning in most of them is like looking in toast for images of Jesus.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: mormapope on March 23, 2015, 11:50:23 PM
The Gamecube controller is one of the best controllers out there, love smacking that huge A button.

Final Fantasy hasn't been great since FFX-2 (never played the MMOs).

Halo as a multiplayer shooter is complete garbage.

Chrono Trigger is overrated as fuck, great soundtrack though.

STALKER is the best horror game of all time.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 24, 2015, 12:03:00 AM
Mmorpgs aren't games
Nintendo has been shit for about 15 years now
Most gaming in general has been shit for about the last 7-8 years
PC/mobile gaming is where it's at nowadays

Oh wait, sorry. Those are facts.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on March 24, 2015, 12:06:16 AM
Come on man, how can you hate Super Mario Galaxy?
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: mormapope on March 24, 2015, 12:13:09 AM
Windwaker and Twilight Princess are the best 3D Zelda games. I say this as someone who got Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask right when they were released.

Dragon Age is complete ass compared to Dragon's Dogma and Dark Souls when it comes to storytelling and lore.

Timesplitters 2 is complete ass.


Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 24, 2015, 12:17:14 AM
Video games are overall detrimental to human beings.

Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 24, 2015, 12:20:16 AM
Come on man, how can you hate Super Mario Galaxy?

SMG = The Name of the Rose in this Trainspotting story

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnAR2qB24yQ
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Tasty on March 24, 2015, 12:28:28 AM
Animal Crossing is really fun and rewarding.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Tasty on March 24, 2015, 12:29:29 AM
Windwaker and Twilight Princess are the best 3D Zelda games. I say this as someone who got Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask right when they were released.

Twilight Princess is so underrated. Needs an HDmake badly. :heart
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Tasty on March 24, 2015, 12:38:44 AM
Kid Icarus isn't nearly as hard as its reputation.

Castlevania lives up to its reputation as far as difficulty goes, but only really for some of the boss fights.

I don't understand toilet gaming. My digestive track is too healthy to be sitting on the pot for more than 5 minutes at a time.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: mormapope on March 24, 2015, 12:59:02 AM
Classic Sonic as a series is average at best compared to classic Mario games. Sonic as a mascot and character is lame as fuck.

The N64 is Nintendo's worst home console, the Gamecube is their best.

Half Life 2 wasn't that good as a game. The Source engine was/is way more valuable.

Rainbow Six Vegas is the best multiplayer shooter last gen.


Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Atramental on March 24, 2015, 01:09:10 AM
Classic Sonic as a series is average at best compared to classic Mario games. Sonic as a mascot and character is lame as fuck.

The N64 is Nintendo's worst home console, the Gamecube is their best.

Half Life 2 wasn't that good as a game. The Source engine was/is way more valuable.

Rainbow Six Vegas is the best multiplayer shooter last gen.
Oh man, my face is tingling just thinking about all the times I would go into that casino vault and just wreck scrubs with a shotgun and a couple of flash bangs.

(http://i.imgur.com/dKAqSJ8.png?2)
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: El Babua on March 24, 2015, 01:13:20 AM
AAA gaming + consoles will implode on itself by 2020 and we'll witness the fanboy fallout firsthand.

Half-Life 1 >>>> HL2

There is really no game like Morrowind, and while good on their own, the following ES games don't even hold a candle to it.

The lines between mobile and PC gaming will blur as time moves forward
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: cool breeze on March 24, 2015, 01:46:12 AM
metal gear solid games have good gameplay
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on March 24, 2015, 01:53:33 AM
Let's see.

I hate how Nintendo feels the need to cram system features into every game just to say that they're supporting said features, the latest gimmick being Amiibo integration to make those $13 paperweights feel like they have a purpose. It was just as bad when Fire Emblem Awakening's spotpass features broke the game's balance and how Smash Bros. 3DS has streetpass features for some reason.

This ties into the above, but I feel like modern nintendo games are lacking a solid identity these days. Whether its forcing every game to have similar feature sets (like how Sakurai rips features from his previous games to shove into his new ones so he doesn't have to come up with anything new), showing characters interacting with the hardware (Bowser holding a wiiu gamepad in the mario party 10 cover looks really stupid) or giving their games some really generic names.

The dialogue in Nintendo Treehouse localizations make me cringe. Games with selfie modes also do, for that matter.

Demon's Souls is still the best souls game, though Dark Souls has some better boss fights.

I'd never felt physical pain from playing games until I played Kid Icarus Uprising. The worst controls I've ever seen in a game.

Ninja Theory are incapable of making a good video game. Enslaved was the embodiment of all the worst aspects of the ps360 generation. DmC was mediocre game, which is higher praise than I'd give Enslaved and Heavenly Sword, and was only as ok as it was thanks to Capcom's supervision.

Yoko Shinomura music has been incredibly boring ever since she got involved in Kingdom Hearts. She literally remakes the same music for each game, and even FF15's battle theme feels like it belongs in Kingdom Hearts.

Final Fantasy 6 is half-trash. World of Balance is alright, but then the game turns to shit in World of Ruin. Ridculously easy, has the most boring world in the series, a messy un-focused cast where only like 2 dudes get proper character arcs, every dungeon and almost 80% of the dungeons you go to are caves so everything looks the same.

Square Enix is in a great spot to make itself relevant again following the 13 shit-show. A shame that the only smart people at that company are stuck working solely on A Realm Reborn, though Tabata looks to know what he's doing with 15 (and can actually make a game in a reasonable timeframe, unlike Nomura).

I can't stand most dungeon crawlers and roguelikes. I get really bored playing games where I can't actively look at my characters performing actions, even if its as simple as what 7th Dragon (https://youtu.be/rXCi3p9fDIQ?t=1m59s) does.

The only PS2 mascot series that had a good second game is Ratcher & Clank. Both Sly 2 and Jak 2 are garbage.

Bioshock 2 is the best game of the three. The story quality took a hit (who cares) but it had the most fun gameplay setups, abilities and plasmids. 1 is ok, Infinite is a huge pretentious turd.

Uncharted 1 and Golden Abyss are my favorite of the series cause they focus more on gameplay than story. I could only play 2 and 3 once before shelving them forever, just playing them once removes all the surprise from playing on higher difficulties.

Mega Man 1 is better than Mega Man 2. Mega Man 9 is garbage despite having the best power-ups in the series. The rest are varying degrees of ok.

Mass Effect 2 is shit. The first game wasn't the greatest either, but there was more potential for the franchise coming out of that game than turning it into a corridor based shooter that trimed away every important customization option and whose idea of difficulty was to give everything more armor/do more damage. Obsidian's Alpha Protocol is what ME2 should have been. The developer/media reaction to ME3 being shit was embarrassing to watch.
Ni no Kuni is one of the worst games on the PS3. The art is all it has going for it, the game treats you like a 5 year old, the combat is really basic and boring, traversal is a chore, most quests revolve around fetching stuff or fighting RNG to have one monster drop one item/capture said monster. The second half of the game is a literal rehash of everything the game already did that only serves to exist the game's playtime by like 10 more hours.

 :derp :derp :derp
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 24, 2015, 01:58:21 AM
Final Fantasy XIII is a good game. Final Fantasy is probably the only really good series left.

The Playstation Vita is the worst PlayStation system yet.

God of War games are trash and feature one of the most annoying protags in games.

The Halo universe is boring and generic sci-fi. With Master Cheif being the most boring icon in gaming. The universe and lore are so shitty that anyone who takes it seriously is an idiot.

Assassin's Creed is a bad series with bad gameplay that evolved into open world shit with the 2nd game.

Uncharted games are actually pretty boring to replay and may be a very overrated series as thier campaigns are one trick poneys. With three really wearing it thin.

Nintendo sucks.

Console gaming is'nt that bad.

Indie games aren't at all interesting.

AAA is hardly terrible.

Metal Gear Solid 4 was garbage and so bad it makes PW(which is also garbage) seem less garbage.

Persona 4's cast has become tiring.

Atlus has been one of the most disappointing Japanese developers on the consoles.

Skyrim was pretty underwhelming.

Drakgengard 3 was trash and Nier is hardly the art shit people make it out to be. Yoko Taro is a hack.

Mass Effect was always a shitty series. 1 never delivered on it's promises and had shitty combat. While delivering the most visually unexciting universe as you visited boring worlds made up of campers or other copy and pasted bland environments. You also spent your time on a space mall. 2 just had a shitty uneventful story. 3 just seem like they gave up.

Bioware just in general sucks.

Bioshock Infinite was trash. Dumbed down FPS combat with powers that seem completely interchangeable with a plot that wants to handle so many things and fails at all of them. The ending is trash that makes no sense, but it's defenders just fall back on "you don't get it".

Bad Company 2 was the worst Battlefield game. Shitty level design for conquest with the points all near each other and in a straight line as to funnel players into action.

Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: mormapope on March 24, 2015, 02:13:39 AM
Hating on Bioshock Infinite isn't controversial  :lol

Infinite gets shit on by people all the time. I personally dig the game a lot.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Positive Touch on March 24, 2015, 02:26:48 AM
i don't get the appeal of fatlus smt games. like the combat is fine for an rpg but not anything mind-blowing, and everything else is just kinda bland. is the appeal solely rooted in anime weeabism or is there something else I'm missing?
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on March 24, 2015, 02:36:45 AM
i don't get the appeal of fatlus smt games. like the combat is fine for an rpg but not anything mind-blowing, and everything else is just kinda bland. is the appeal solely rooted in anime weeabism or is there something else I'm missing?

At least in my case, I'd never played a game that banked on the "socialize with people to get stronger" aspect that Persona 3 played up, so it was kind of novel at the time. Combat-wise, even a watered down version of SMT's Press Turn is pretty fun, if really obtuse until P4 let you command everyone.

I initially liked P4 cause it was a lot cheerier than most games in the genre, with a cast seemed like normal-ish people doing stuff that didn't immediately turn to the end of the world. Since then though, subsequent P4 media has really Flanderized a lot of cast and turned them into characters that all do that one thing they're known for and heavily play up the anime weeabism. Not that I blame them seeing how its their biggest cash cow. P5 seems like a clean break from all that noise, for now at least.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Tasty on March 24, 2015, 03:09:41 AM
P5 does look fucking awesome, and I'm not that into JRPGs. Hopefully fatlus doesn't screw the pooch. Would love to pick up a PS3 copy if it's good.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Fortus on March 24, 2015, 03:13:56 AM
i don't get the appeal of fatlus smt games. like the combat is fine for an rpg but not anything mind-blowing, and everything else is just kinda bland. is the appeal solely rooted in anime weeabism or is there something else I'm missing?

Did you play Nocturne?
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: SpeedStats on March 24, 2015, 03:53:52 AM
I don't think many of my opinions on certain things are controversial, but more in the minority.

i don't get the appeal of fatlus smt games. like the combat is fine for an rpg but not anything mind-blowing, and everything else is just kinda bland. is the appeal solely rooted in anime weeabism or is there something else I'm missing?

I think it's that while there are many branches of the SMT IP itself, much of the attention seems to have been focused on Persona since Persona 3.  This is anecdotal and likely will be inaccurate, but sometimes it seems that there are more Persona fans (specifically, Persona 3/4 fans) and there aren't a lot of people who delve deeply in the back-catalogue of the other Shin Megami Tensei subseries since they're all pretty different (Shin Megami Tensei IV, notwithstanding, which is pretty nice to see).  Therefore, the other games in the entire series remain in the background since they haven't pulled in as big of a fanbase.

I've discovered that I mostly go for the core SMT stuff than Persona these days, particularly because much of the story is told based on your environment, atmosphere, and interaction, as opposed to how Persona's storytelling is like.  It's been like that since the Famicom, and going by SMT4, I'm quite glad that it has not changed (well, not changed a lot).  The Persona games are decent mechanically/stats-speaking, absolutely, but the fanbases really do play the games up to be more than they are (ex: "Persona 4 ruined other games for me and I can no longer play other RPGs!", etc.). 

If many of the issues stem from Persona, looking into the mainline SMT games as opposed to their spinoffs would probably be a good idea.  Stuff like Nocturne, the SMT Famicom/Super Famicom games, Raidou, Soul Hackers, Digital Devil Saga, etc. might be a better experience for those who aren't inclined to play a Persona game past Persona 3.  Even Persona 1 and 2 are quite different atmospherically, musically, and tonally from the other two games in the series.  What got me into the Shin Megami Tensei series was its focus on some micromanagement combined with its capacity to not slap you in the face with a melodramatic narrative constantly.  You do have to recruit demons via negotiation and bribery, and you need to fuse them to make even stronger party members-- but the only member you have full statistical control of are the human characters (and weapons are designed to be equipped only by certain people of a certain alignment).  It's interesting even just going back to the very first game in the series how in-depth many of the systems in terms of micromangement is.

Additionally, many of the earlier games drew quite a lot from Wizardry, and the mainline games have not necessarily changed from that aspect, which is something I really like about it.  However, that said, a lot of people aren't going to dig that at all.  I like playing around with numbers, but a lot of people really don't. 

If there's honestly nothing in any of the Shin Megami Tensei branches that attract you at all, I'd say that the series is probably not for you.  It certainly isn't a series for everyone, even if the Persona spinoff series has made it easier for people to ease into the games.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on March 24, 2015, 04:04:38 AM
Persona 3 was definitely my gateway game into the series at large, as I'd only ever read the SMT name in passing before I played P3 around when it came out. A lot of the much older games are very much not for me, but I've definitely gotten a kick out of Nocturne, Devil Summoner, Strange Journey and I even dabbled in that one MMO for a while. Started Digital Devil Saga but haven't really gone back it.

Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: archnemesis on March 24, 2015, 04:09:20 AM
I started with Nocturne and I've since then gone back and played through most of the English releases. It's a mixed bag of quality.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Fortus on March 24, 2015, 04:19:18 AM
Nice post SpeedStats. My question to Big Jumbo wasn't some troll trap but an honest attempt to see what they've experienced. My entre to SMT was P3fes but there's much more to it than the more recent offerings.
@archnemesis That's eventually true of any 'series'. There is a valid reason though (imho) why SMT is held in special regard
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: archnemesis on March 24, 2015, 04:38:01 AM
@Fortus: The series is quite uncompromising. Atlus keep doing their own thing and don't care that much what everyone else in the industry is doing. The combat systems are playful and well-thought-out. Elemental weaknesses and buffs/debuffs have a much greater importance than in other RPG series where you often can progress by simply using the basic fight and heal commands. You also have interesting plots and characters without being needlessly wordy (with the exception for the more recent Persona games).

I wouldn't claim that the series is better than everything else out there. It has, however, outlasted many other popular series (e.g. Suikoden and Breath of Fire) while being deeper and more complex than the biggest names (Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest).
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Positive Touch on March 24, 2015, 07:22:35 AM
i played a few hours of persona 1, p3 psp, nocturne, and dds1. there stuff i like about each of them, but they all seem to have that combat combat combat feeling. i dunno, i like (old) jrpgs; maybe i just need to get more used to the rhythm o and pacing of the series.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 24, 2015, 08:48:12 AM
I enjoy shorter, more casual AAA games, as long as they're not button prompt movies. I think of them as amusement park rides.  Everyone's looking forward to that kind of game going away, but I'll miss them. I'd rather have a hundred more Blood Dragons and Call of Juarez Gunslinger type games  than the flood of "Hey man remember when we all used to play NES games look I made an NES game it's all 8-bit and stuff isn't it cute so now you can play games that look like the Marios and Zeldas from your childhood on your $800 computer" that keeps rolling out.

There's never been a good stealth game. It's all trial and error bullshit or pattern memorization, no matter how cleverly it's dressed.

I honestly think people who play games on the hardest settings and brag about it, or use their uh skill to insult others, have some degree of mental problems. Maybe they like to punish themselves because they feel guilty about playing video games.

I think Steam sales and bundles and the like are ultimately harmful to the business side of video games, because they slowly condition everyone to wait for everything to hit $10 or below. Just like Amazon has conditioned most people to wait for books to hit $.99, and App stores have conditioned most people to not buy apps over $.99.  They're consistently putting out the message that their product has no worth, and you are being ripped off by paying more than a dollar or two.  Games/books/apps as trading cards, essentially. That said, I don't give a fuck, and will continue to take advantage of it.


Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2015, 09:00:56 AM
Oh boy here we go..

Never played a final fantasy except tactics....they are garbage

nintendo has been shit since the gamecube

sega was always better than nintendo

Metroid Sucks

Ring King is still the best boxing game of all time.

River City Ransom is better than any double dragon ever made

Side Scrolling fighters are sorely missed this generation.

Edit: I'm totally ready for another WW2 shooter. Just bring Red Orchestra to XBL pls. Charge 24.99, don't care.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Rufus on March 24, 2015, 09:17:37 AM
The game playing public largely consists of impatient idiots.
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Not actually controversial, I know.
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Pixel-wankery is holding everyone back, on both the retro and bleeding edge side of things.

Half Life 2 wasn't that good as a game. The Source engine was/is way more valuable.
It did one thing incredibly well: teaching the player how to play and where to go without explicitly telling them through floating arrows and endless repetition of 'hints' and such. Anything else they may have pioneered or done really well isn't really worth mentioning any more.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2015, 09:20:49 AM
Half life two and almost every other valve game is :trash if you don't play it on PC.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2015, 09:43:10 AM
Controversial opinions?

Maybe this one: Mass Effect 2 > Mass Effect 1?

But mostly none, I am mostly mainstream and it feels good. Eff the hipsters.

I agree on ME. 1 is okay but that damn Mako bullshit ruined it.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on March 24, 2015, 09:49:48 AM
Here's a better controversial opinion about Mass Effect.
The whole series sucks. It's hamfisted and incredibly cheesy. At best its passable.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: archie4208 on March 24, 2015, 09:51:16 AM
Bioware has never been good and they entered a satanic pact or something when they made Baldur's Gate 2.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 24, 2015, 09:54:55 AM
Open world games are (mostly) garbage and

Bioware has never been good and they entered a satanic pact or something when they made Baldur's Gate 2.

KOTOR though
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2015, 09:56:43 AM
Bioware has never been good and they entered a satanic pact or something when they made Baldur's Gate 2.

KOTOR I and II, ME2, and Balders Gate 2  say fuck you.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 24, 2015, 09:59:21 AM
Kotor 2 isnt even bioware
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Rufus on March 24, 2015, 10:04:24 AM
Doesn't even feel like Star Wars (which is what makes it good).
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2015, 10:19:46 AM
Kotor 2 isnt even bioware

It was like 66% bioware with some new scripts (better scripts)
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: bork on March 24, 2015, 10:36:46 AM
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: bork on March 24, 2015, 10:39:45 AM

Side Scrolling fighters are sorely missed this generation.


If by "this generation" you mean Xbone/PS4, the games are coming.  But there's plenty of 360/PS3/PC.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2015, 10:44:40 AM

Side Scrolling fighters are sorely missed this generation.


If by "this generation" you mean Xbone/PS4, the games are coming.  But there's plenty of 360/PS3/PC.

The only SSF's i liked on XBOX360 was Guardian Heros. Everything else was trash.

What's coming for this gen?
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: bork on March 24, 2015, 10:46:41 AM

Side Scrolling fighters are sorely missed this generation.


If by "this generation" you mean Xbone/PS4, the games are coming.  But there's plenty of 360/PS3/PC.

The only SSF's i liked on XBOX360 was Guardian Heros. Everything else was trash.

What's coming for this gen?

You don't mean fighting games....you mean beat-em-ups.  Guardian Heroes was a port from the Saturn, BTW.  That's been an almost-dead genre for quite some time.  Phantom Breaker Battlegrounds is coming to PS4 though.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2015, 10:48:22 AM

Side Scrolling fighters are sorely missed this generation.


If by "this generation" you mean Xbone/PS4, the games are coming.  But there's plenty of 360/PS3/PC.

The only SSF's i liked on XBOX360 was Guardian Heros. Everything else was trash.

What's coming for this gen?

You don't mean fighting games....you mean beat-em-ups.  Guardian Heroes was a port from the Saturn, BTW.  That's been an almost-dead genre for quite some time.  Phantom Breaker Battlegrounds is coming to PS4 though.

Yes I had it for the Saturn. Probably a top 5 ever game for me.

Yes I mean beat em ups, I miss the hell out of those things man.

I wish Konami would just release the Crime Fighters/Vendetta series on XBL as a perfect arcade port. I'd buy that tomorrow


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svtVXIZqVfc

:noah
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Positive Touch on March 24, 2015, 11:11:14 AM
that phantom breakers game has really great combat but the little anime girls all over the place is just no. if you can play it when no one's looking it's fun
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Positive Touch on March 24, 2015, 11:14:01 AM
o and here's my controversial opinion Bioware is pretty great and you guys are dingleberries. whatever problems i have with them are easy to overlook just bc i can choose to play as someone who isn't a kratos-lite level dickbag
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 24, 2015, 11:23:35 AM
Gamecube was underrated and xbox 1 overrated.  Shadow of the Colossus and ICO are 6/10 games at most. 
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: bork on March 24, 2015, 11:30:52 AM
"AAA" games are not always AAA games -that's implying they're all stellar titles- so why are they being called that?  It's the budgets that are high.  Call them $$$ games.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: bork on March 24, 2015, 11:47:43 AM
Ninja Theory are incapable of making a good video game.

:obama

I can't stand most dungeon crawlers and roguelikes. I get really bored playing games where I can't actively look at my characters performing actions

Drawing further from this, I cannot stand (mostly older) RPGs where you cannot see your character attacking and/or the sprites have no animation, I.E. 8-bit and 16-bit era JRPGs.

Mega Man 1 is better than Mega Man 2.

LOCK THIS MAN UP IN A PADDED CELL AND THROW AWAY THE KEY.

Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: bork on March 24, 2015, 11:47:48 AM
Final Fantasy XIII is a good game. Final Fantasy is probably the only really good series left.

No.

The Playstation Vita is the worst PlayStation system yet.

I TAKE IT BACK, LOCK THIS MAN UP.

God of War games are trash and feature one of the most annoying protags in games.

:obama

Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Rufus on March 24, 2015, 11:52:04 AM
I've always understood AAA to be a product tier. We spent this much money casting the widest possible net with focus testing, pointlessly hired well known actors to read garbage, had an eastern european philharmonic orchestra record a generic symphonic soundtrack, spent more on marketing and CG trailers than previous generation titles cost to make, etc.  "Spend big to earn big" philosophy/fallacy, top to bottom.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: bork on March 24, 2015, 12:00:26 PM
3D Mario > 2D Mario.

NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE

Resident Evil games were always more action oriented from 2 on. That said they always still had horror elements even in the more actiony games(4, 5 and 6). The issue some had is that it was scarier when it had tank controls and they can't accept a game being more tense action wise due to the controls, which are far superior.

None of the Resident Evil games were ever scary.  It was always an action-oriented series with the puzzle-solving shit thrown in.  You're not going up against supernatural stuff; it's bio-weapons gone bad.  There's one legit scare in RE-- when the dogs jump through the windows in the first game. 

That said, the real horror game series was always Silent Hill. That series felt like the tank controls made more sense for it than it ever did in RE past the first one, as that series always felt like it tried to have more action but couldn't achieve what it wanted till RE4.

Yup.  Too bad Silent Hill went to shit with the fourth game.

As much as I love Mortal Kombat, the only reason it ever sold more or got more popularity than Street Fighter was due to it being simpler to play and it having a style more appealing to the West. I hate God Of War, but same can be said for why it always sold more than Devil May Cry and Ninja Gaiden.

Absolutely.  Mortal Kombat was popular because of its hilariously-bad blood n' gore.  The game play was mediocre for a long, long time and the digitized sprites and stupid/cheesy costumes used looked terrible.  I was incredibly disappointed when MK4 came out and was essentially the game game, style-wise, but with polygon models.  They finally started getting better with Deadly Alliance but it took them years to get better game play, with MK9, and even then I have complaints.  And they still can't do good presentation...look at the win poses in MK9.  I hope they improve this with X.

Games are as good as they always have been, if you only play AAA games you're not really into games as much as you say you are.

I would argue that things have gotten worse if you like Japanese games, but western-developed titles have improved and have taken over with the top game series.

Phoenix Wright games are the best adventure games of the past decade.

Let me switch to fanboy mode for a second.
:expert

The first three Phoenix Wright games are GBA titles from 2001, 2002, and 2003 IIRC. One and three are the best games in the series.


Retro Castlevania > Igavania's. Symphony of the Night is fantastic, but every other one that tries to be it is decent at best.

Nah.  Iga had it down.  He made Rondo which was awesome.  SOTN changed things up to Metroid style and was amazing.  I am certain that if he were allowed to have made console games, the follow-ups would have been just as good.  Aria Of Sorrow on the GBA was better than SOTN was, content-wise, but SOTN had better visuals and that amazing soundtrack.


Madworld, Vanquish and Bayonetta are peak Platinum Games. Other than Revengeance everything else is OK.

Madworld's concept is great.  It plays like ass.  Give me its sequel any day.  Bayonetta 2 is also some of Platinum's best work.

Nights Into Dreams is the most overrated Sega game. It's good but definitely not on the level the fanbase would have you think.

Could never get into this game.  Never saw the appeal.

The love for Rare is almost all due to nostalgia. I've always hated that excuse but it definitely applies when it comes to Rare. The quality has been the same even with the move to MS the only difference is that the fanbase grew up.

Rare was awesome in the 80s and early 90s.  Then Nintendo bought them and things went downhill.  Sure, you have some bright spots here and there, but I hated those Donkey Kong Country games and KI was always mediocre.  Goldeneye multiplayer was pretty fun though.


The Wii is underrated simply because the Nintendo games were still good. And it actually had way better third party output than the Gamecube.

I disagree with your comment on Japanese games, but I covered that in my own post.  Anyway, no.  Waggle control sucked.
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The Last Of Us, however, is boring. While the presentation is well done. It's a very cliched typical zombie story and I found the emotional core to be a bit hamfisted. While the gameplay was a big stepdown from Uncharted with weaker stealth and survival mechanics from much older games.

Have bought this game twice now, and PS3 and PS4, and cannot get into it.  I enjoy Uncharted but this just did not grab me.

I wish 2D fighting games would go for better sprites over 3D models.

A lot of the talent just isn't there anymore.  I'd prefer they stick with polys because they can be updated easier and can match the game's resolution.  KOF XIII looks beautiful but it's using 480P sprites and it would take a lot more work to change them up.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2015, 12:05:15 PM
Bork.....stahp.....
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2015, 12:19:24 PM
No, I actually am enjoying this. Haven't played Bayo 2 yet, really want to. But I still stand by MadWorld > Max Anarchy.

It's implied that you stop too, for the record   :bolo
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2015, 12:22:20 PM
By the way speak for yourself Bork. That first RE when that goddamn devil dog jumps through the window about gave me a stroke.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: bork on March 24, 2015, 12:36:28 PM
No, I actually am enjoying this. Haven't played Bayo 2 yet, really want to. But I still stand by MadWorld > Max Anarchy.

Max Anarchy is an actual game, not a waggle-fest.  Max Anarchy wins.

By the way speak for yourself Bork. That first RE when that goddamn devil dog jumps through the window about gave me a stroke.

:what

None of the Resident Evil games were ever scary.  It was always an action-oriented series with the puzzle-solving shit thrown in.  You're not going up against supernatural stuff; it's bio-weapons gone bad.  There's one legit scare in RE-- when the dogs jump through the windows in the first game. 

 :ufup

...Which pretty much proves my point.   :lol
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on March 24, 2015, 01:13:29 PM
Oh I forgot two.

I love the entirety of the God of War series. They press the right amount of buttons to make me not care about how stupid Kratos is or how Zeus' plot makes no sense, I just enjoy killing shit. I've played every game in the series at least two times over and have all the platinums for every game in the platform they're available. I probably won't be able to resist the remaster for the third game just to keep that collection going.

Xenoblade is overrated tripe. The music and environmental art direction are all it has going for it, cause the combat is garbage, the characters and their motivations are cliche as hell and the AI is braindead to the point where you can't use some characters unless you control them directly because the AI doesn't know how to play them. It's hundreds of sidequests bullet point that people like to spout are composed entirely of MMO style fetch quests of "kill x goats" or "retrieve x items" that have little to no interaction with the NPCs requesting it. The menu arrangement sucks. Enemy scaling is super laughable, you pretty much miss all your attacks when fighting enemies 10 levels higher than you, can fight them within  a 5 level range, then you completely overpower them once you're 10 levels higher. Nintendo fans praise this game as the best jrpg ever because its the only average one to grace the Wii, since the only other good rps had the worst localization of the past generation (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zygDzAkothQ) and no one wanted to touch it.

Xenoblade X looks to be more of the same with few lessons being learned from the last game. I'm expecting the game to be as awful as its battle theme. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Apdfz4HNrY)

Retro Castlevania > Igavania's. Symphony of the Night is fantastic, but every other one that tries to be it is decent at best.

AAA gaming is not THAT bad, compared to what I said before. there's enough good stuff to last you a while if that's all you go for, even if indie gaming has a lot more to offer.

 :mynicca

I don't hate Igavania, but I really do prefer the classic platformers over it. Though with the current state of Castlevania, I'd take another Iga work over Mercurystream desecrating the corpse some more.

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Okami is a mediocre game that goes on too long and is held back by it's combat system.

ill fite u m8

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Madworld and No More Heroes are probably the best games to use the wiimote. To the point where any port or successor found on other consoles suffered due to not having it.

I'll give you No More Heroes, but my memories of MadWorld involve hilariously failing at the boss waggle QTEs and getting super frustrated. It always took a good five attempts before the wiimote would properly register me swinging in the direction the game was asking me to. Max Anarchy took the characters and made a game that actually works, though admittedly I like MadWorld's concept way more.

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The dualshock of old is better than the PS4 controller. I'd rather play with something I'm used to than something new with too much going on and shoddier hardware.

 :holeup

I used to be an ardent DS3 fanboy, but using the DS4 for so long makes me see the DS2 as the cheap piece of shit it is. Shoddy ergonomics, awful triggers that get pressed just by blowing on them. I plug in my DS4 into the PS3 whenever I have to use it.

And Ace Attorney is great, yeah. The last case is game 2 is still my favorite, and its a shame that no other game has done a case like it. AA5 is pure  :trash though.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 24, 2015, 01:54:52 PM
The Atelier series' Dusk Trilogy are three of the best JRPGs on the PS3

Kickstarter has done more for my enjoyment of videogames in the past 2 years than Sony or Microsoft
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Spanky on March 24, 2015, 02:05:55 PM
Resident Evil director Shinji Mikami is a hack, in every way and form.  He hasn't made a remotely decent game since P.N.03.

God Hand was jank garbage and one of the worst action games I've had the pleasure of playing.

Vanquish was uninspired reactionless shootbang fodder with no creativity in the gunplay whatsoever other than a lame ass boost mechanic that you don't NEED to use nor can you use properly because of how the level design is.

The Evil Within is trash.  Shitty AI with ridiculous fighting game esque hitboxes, shitty field of view ruined what is essentially a 'me-too!' aping of the best moments of RE4 (which are very few of them.)

--

Devil May Cry only has three good games in the series.  The original, 3, and DmC (as of Definitive Edition.)  2 and 4 are flabby and sick status.   1 > 3 > DmC > 2 > 4
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Tasty on March 24, 2015, 02:41:16 PM
The Wii had a better first-party lineup than its two predecessors.

The GameBoy Advance sucked because it had a weak first-party lineup.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 24, 2015, 03:18:59 PM
  • Diablo III is so damn boring.  Sorry bros.  Even the more "action-oriented" console version made me sleepy.

:bolo
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Fifstar on March 24, 2015, 03:30:19 PM
Perfect Dark is easily two tiers below Goldeneye (only talking about SP)

Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 24, 2015, 03:41:06 PM
Ninja Gaiden (modern series) games aren't hard. [shrug]

Goldeneye was terrible.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: bork on March 24, 2015, 03:53:07 PM
bork... you are not garbage... stop acting and posting like one

Borys, I don't think you're understanding the point of this thread.   :P


God Hand was jank garbage and one of the worst action games I've had the pleasure of playing.

:sheik

  • Diablo III is so damn boring.  Sorry bros.  Even the more "action-oriented" console version made me sleepy.

:bolo

:heyman
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: demi on March 24, 2015, 03:57:49 PM
Ninja Gaiden (modern series) games aren't hard. [shrug]

ummm what? lmao. ok. master ninja over here :badass
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: bork on March 24, 2015, 04:10:39 PM
Ninja Gaiden (modern series) games aren't hard. [shrug]

But did you play those on Xbox and Xbox 360 or the Sigma versions?  The latter are dumbed down, IIRC.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Yeti on March 24, 2015, 04:15:05 PM
I don't enjoy keyboard and mouse gaming. The only genres I like it in are RTS and point and click adventure games.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: cool breeze on March 24, 2015, 04:17:13 PM
The GameBoy Advance sucked because it had a weak first-party lineup.

people say this because it didn't have an original mario but forget things like having two 2D metroid games, the good warioware games, etc.  it probably has the best first party of any nintendo handheld.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: bork on March 24, 2015, 04:18:52 PM
The Wii had a better first-party lineup than its two predecessors.

The GameBoy Advance sucked because it had a weak first-party lineup.

YOU CRAZY MAN, YOU CRAZY

(http://www.tvweek.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Chris-Tucker.jpg)
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: bork on March 24, 2015, 04:20:40 PM
The GameBoy Advance sucked because it had a weak first-party lineup.

people say this because it didn't have an original mario but forget things like having two 2D metroid games, the good warioware games, etc.  it probably has the best first party of any nintendo handheld.

GBA was a great little handheld.  Had both good ports and original titles from Nintendo and third parties.  Andrex is off his rocker.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Tasty on March 24, 2015, 04:56:32 PM
- No original Mario
- Suckiest Pokemon generation
- eReader shit
- Two lame Kirby games
- OoT 3D + MM 3D + ALBW >>> Link's Adventure/DX + Oracle games >>> Four Swords + Minish Cap
- Only a single Wario Land
- Shitty Mario Kart
- Murdered Yoshi's Island and DKC downports
- Super Mario Advance series rehashes, NES series rehashes, NES themed systems, worst period of nostalgia banking in Nintendo's history
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: suppadoopa on March 24, 2015, 05:45:09 PM
GBA was the last worthwhile Nintendo handheld
GameCube was the last worthwhile Nintendo home console
FFFVIII, FFX, & FFXIII were the best FFs from their respective eras
Ni No Kuni is boring garbage
Persona 4 is overrated
Vita > 3DS
PSP > DS
Only Treyarch makes decent CoD games
N64 had no games
FFVII is more influential than SM64
Minish Cap is the best 2D Zelda
WW is the best 3D Zelda


Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Tasty on March 24, 2015, 05:51:32 PM
When did Kagari join? :leon
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Cheddahz on March 24, 2015, 05:59:23 PM
- resident evil: operation raccoon city is actually dope
- final fantasy x is probably the best designed final fantasy game ever
- super smash bros is mediocre
- between crash and spyro, spyro was definitely the better game series on the playstation
- king's field > any of the souls games
- majora's mask and wind waker are the only two zelda games you should play
- gaming really hasn't been all that good since the ps2 era, but there have been some great games
- tekken 4 is probably the best tekken game
- platinum should definitely not make every single game out there, calm down fanboys
- dmc didn't ruin the series, you're just scared of change
- gtaiv is actually really dope and the first half of it's story shits all over gtav (though gtav is a better game to play)
- the only street fighter game worth playing is third strike
- tomb raider 2013 > all of the uncharted games
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on March 24, 2015, 06:04:26 PM
GBA was the last worthwhile Nintendo handheld
GameCube was the last worthwhile Nintendo home console
FFFVIII, FFX, & FFXIII were the best FFs from their respective eras
Ni No Kuni is boring garbage
Persona 4 is overrated
Vita > 3DS
PSP > DS
Only Treyarch makes decent CoD games
N64 had no games
FFVII is more influential than SM64
Minish Cap is the best 2D Zelda
WW is the best 3D Zelda
So much right and so much wrong all in one post.

edit: so much of this thread has turned out to be
 :mynicca
 :holeup
rinse and repeat
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Spanky on March 24, 2015, 06:23:03 PM
Fighting Game fans are bitchmade hype following high schoolers.  Especially anime stans.  Their developer of. Hoice shits on them on a daily and theyre like, "more pls"

Netherrealm, Tekken, Killer Instinct, DOA players have more passion for their scene than any of those /a/ fuckboys. 

Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: mormapope on March 24, 2015, 06:23:30 PM
RE5 is the worst game in the mainline franchise.

Every Suda 51 produced game is excellent.

Silent Hill as a franchise has terrible gameplay/bosses but excellent storytelling.

GTA IV + expansions are the best games in the franchise, with San Andreas being a close second place.

Souls games have the worst fanbase imaginable. 

Mega Man is a boring series that has always looked ugly as fuck, soundtracks aren't that good.

Console gaming peaked creatively in 2004. Console gaming peaked mechanically around the end of last gen. Downward slope for both aspects now.

Fighting game tournies are more fun to watch than any sporting event. Esports such as LoL, Counter Strike, DOTA, are completely soulless when compared to the FGC.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on March 24, 2015, 06:25:47 PM
Souls games have the worst fanbase imaginable. 
This is not possible while the Sonic fanbase exists.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: mormapope on March 24, 2015, 06:28:47 PM
This is not possible while the Sonic fanbase exists.

I'll take gross but hilarious hentai and gross but hilarious fan fic over snobby fucks that treat their gaming interests as something significant.

(http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/084/1/7/Shadow_mpreg_by_Shadowcb45.png)
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 24, 2015, 06:45:40 PM
* ff13 is sweet
* ff9 card game > ff8 card game
* ff7 and ff8 are both badly broken as games or stories, but are interesting for their unique late 90s multimedia texture
* for ff7, the "bad midi" sampleset the music uses is an important part of that texture
* the pointlessness of the non-boss fights that consume a huge amount of playtime is a serious and underaddressed problem with lots of classic JRPGs from the mid-90s and on, including ff6/7 and chrono trigger
* legend of mana > final fantasy adventure > secret of mana
* saga 2 / ff legend ii is one of the best RPGs of all time
* the slowdown in gradius iii is a good thing
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Cheddahz on March 24, 2015, 06:46:35 PM
* ff9 card game > ff8 card game
fighting words
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 24, 2015, 06:49:45 PM
- Indie gaming is largely a bust.  95% of the games fall into four categories:

1) Twinstick shooters
2) 2D sidescrolling clones that are completely forgettable
3) Completely shitty and inane socially conscious games
4) Shitty and shameless clones of existing games that were done better but with a stupid and shitty twist that was completely unnecessary

The only reason why these games got any hype is because the developers are good buddies with game journalists.  The purported innovation and creativity is non-existent.  It's a bunch of hipster nerds sniffing each other's farts.

- Mobile gaming sucks ass outside of five minute fuck around sessions of puzzle games.  The same dorks who were laughing at waggle a decade ago are now thumbing and pawing at their phone's tiny screen where their thumb takes up 30% of the screen space, which I think is hilarious.

- This is the last console generation as we know it.  Even though sales are apparently up over last generation at this point in time, it's not enough to offset the insane budgets for games.  A solution has been to load up on indie games (especially the PS4) but if you load up on indie games, you have to wonder why people can't just play them on the PC instead.  I predict that the Xbone is Microsoft's last console.  Microsoft will continue the Xbox brand but it will become a social media/online streaming platform.  In this instance, you plug in a USB stick into a TV or a PC that connects to a wireless Xbox controller and let's you play various Xbox games and use Xbox exclusive services.  Over time, the Xbox name will become increasingly irrelevant, Microsoft will eventually roll the Xbox services into a new product/service entirely, and by 2025, nobody under 20 will remember what an Xbox is.  Nintendo will have new consoles in a traditional sense as we know them now.  Sony will keep the PS4 going as long as possible and there won't be a PS5.  The PS4 will likely last 8-10 years though so ending its run by 2022-2023 isn't that bad.  Nintendo ultimately will win out in the end because they're able to continue to con 15-20 million adults with fond nostalgic memories of Nintendo, providing just a small enough niche to keep chugging along.  Iwata and Co. will keep trying to recapture the lightning in the bottle they had with the Wii and will fail every time because their previous Wii audience isn't going to move away from their tablets and smartphones.

- The PS2 is the best console ever.  It was a perfect blend of quantity, quality, and creativity that we will never see again.

- Bioware was shit, Bioware is shit, and Bioware will always be shit.  Remember how their name got plastered on everything EA did in 2011-2012?  Good times.

- I wish Tim Schafer fucked off forever.  I almost got that with Brutal Legend but somehow he weaseled his way back into semi-relevancy.

- After 15 years of complacency, Nintendo has finally started to make good console games again.  I guess losing hundreds of millions of dollars over several years will do that to you.  The Wii U falling flat on it's ass lit a fire under Nintendo's.  When Nintendo was making good money, they turned into the laziest sacks of shit ever.  They will instantly go back to that the minute things turn around for them.

- I hate playing games online.  I don't care to play against 13 year olds, autists who play the game 8 hours a day every day over the course of months, or anyone who has any kind of emotional investment in the game other than a minimal amount.

Edit: I was half awake when making the original post.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 24, 2015, 06:52:08 PM
* ff9 card game > ff8 card game
fighting words

it is contrarian now but will be the conventional wisdom in 10 years. i can wait.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on March 24, 2015, 07:07:27 PM
- Indie gaming is largely a bust.  95% of the games fall into four categories:

1) Twinstick shooters
2) 2D sidescrolling clones that are completely forgettable
3) Completely shitty and inane socially conscious game.
4) Shitty and shameless clones of existing games that were done better but with a stupid and shitty twist that was completely unnecessary

The only reason why these games got any hype is because they're buddies with game journalists.  The purported innovation and creativity is non-existent.  It's a bunch of hipster nerds sniffing each other's farts.

- Mobile gaming sucks ass outside of five minute fuck around sessions of puzzle games.  The same dorks who were laughing at waggle are thumbing and pawing at their phone's tiny screen where their thumb takes up 30% of the screen space is hilarious.

- This is the last console generation as we know it.  Even though sales are apparently up over last generation, it's not enough to offset the insane budgets.  If you load up on indie games, you have to wonder why people can't just play on the PC instead.  I predict that the Xbone is Microsoft's last console.  The Xbox brand will continue but it will become a social media/online streaming platform.  So you plug in a USB stick into a TV or a PC that connects to your wireless Xbox controller and let's you play various Xbox properties.  Over time, the Xbox name will become increasingly irrelevant and by 2025, nobody under 20 will remember what an Xbox is.  Nintendo will have a new console in a traditional sense.  Sony will keep the PS4 going as long as possible and there won't be a PS5.  The PS4 will likely last 8-10 years though so being done by 2022-2023 isn't that bad.  Nintendo ultimately will win out in the end because they're able to continue to con 15-20 million adults with fond nostalgic memories of Nintendo, providing just a small enough niche to keep chugging along.  Iwata and Co. will keep trying to recapture the lightning in the bottle they had with the Wii and will fail every time because their previous Wii audience isn't going to move away from their tablets and smartphones.

- The PS2 is the best console ever.  It was a perfect blend of quantity, quality, and creativity that we will never see again.

- Bioware was shit, Bioware is shit, and Bioware will always be shit.  Remember how their name got plastered on everything EA did in 2011-2012?  Good times.

- I wish Tim Schafer fucked off forever.  I almost got that with Brutal Legend but somehow he weaseled his way back into semi-relevancy.

- After 15 years of complacency, Nintendo has finally started to make good console games again.  I guess losing hundreds of millions of dollars over several years will do that to you.  The Wii U falling flat on it's ass lit a fire under Nintendo's.  When Nintendo was making good money, they turned into the laziest sacks of shit ever.  They will instantly go back to that the minute things turn around for them.

- I hate playing games online.  I don't care to play against 13 year olds, autists who play the game 8 hours a day every day over the course of months, or anyone who has any kind of emotional investment in the game other than a minimal amount.
I don't have a problem with any of this post. :leon :mynicca
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 24, 2015, 08:15:47 PM
- Even though I have an older gaming PC, I don't much see the point in building a new one or even upgrading nowadays. If all the "Big Budget games are dead" stuff is true, then what's the point of building some smoking rig? There's not going to be anything out there that takes advantage of that SLI powersucker, right? If you're just gonna be throwing money into an open grave, why even bother? So you can play this year's games maxed out three years from now? So you can play the latest 16-bit metroidvania knockoff at 4400p? Who gives a shit?  If the predictions come true, just buy a fucking laptop, in a couple of years the IGPUs in those will run just about anything out there. I mean, if you're laughing about AAA or big money gaming dying while at the same time you just dropped $300+ on a graphics card, you're kind of an idiot.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 24, 2015, 08:30:59 PM
Killer 7 is a 2/10 game
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 24, 2015, 08:43:29 PM
Killer 7 is a 2/10 game

Killer 7 isn't even a game
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Tasty on March 24, 2015, 09:11:52 PM
Killer 7 is a 2/10 game

Killer 7 isn't even a game

Far, far more of a game than The Order.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 24, 2015, 09:39:40 PM
Killer 7 is a 2/10 game

Killer 7 isn't even a game

Far, far more of a game than The Order.
That's incorrect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt-9kPoXPRc

Nice music though.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: tiesto on March 24, 2015, 09:48:57 PM
When did Kagari join? :leon

I was convinced suupadoopa was a Rahx alt for the longest time.

Anyways:

-Half Life 2 is a few creative ideas expanded on for unimaginable lengths of time
-Suikoden 2 is amazing, but when it comes to contemporary RPG series, the Wild Arms series on the whole is better than the Suikoden series
-The last good FF was 9
-FF on the whole is one of the weaker RPG series. I prefer DQ, SMT, Ys and of course Phantasy Star to it.
-The N64 was the weakest of the Nintendo consoles
-The GBA was the weakest of the Nintendo handhelds
-GOG is the best way to purchase PC games - no DRM and you don't have to use the shitty ass Steam client. :bow Polacks :bow2
-Last of Us wasn't my favorite game, but it's a step up from the majority of linear cover shooters (Uncharted, Gears, etc) - at least there's some semblance of resource management and other 'gamey' elements in there
-I'm genuinely interested in the rumored Battletoads game, even if its almost assuredly gonna be garbage
-The original Battletoads isn't a bad game by any means, and that bike stage isn't as hard as everyone thinks (the rest of the game though...)
-Naughty Dog should quit trying to ape Hollywood and go back to whimsy mascot platformers
-99.9% of retro-themed indie games don't hold a candle to the games they were influenced by
-Mass Effect 1 was a mess of a game but it was still much more interesting than 2 and 3
-PS2's RPG library is a bit overrated, I rate the SNES and PS1's much higher
-VR won't take off the way everyone thinks it will... at least for games. Non-gaming uses (medical and military in particular) are where its at.
-I like my games to be one-and-done. Pay a flat rate, play for X hours, and be done. No games-as-a-service (ironically I develop a SaaS product for a living), not a fan of excess DLC either.
-Wind Waker's art style is ugly and its dungeons/overworld are some of the weakest in the whole series.
-Witcher is probably the best modern western RPG series, while Ultima is the best classic.
-I have no idea how the hell Bethesda's games pass QA. (I did run into a person who worked for Bethesda QA at a rave, so that explains what they are doing instead of testing)
-WiiU is home to some of Nintendo's best first-party titles in years.
-The original Kid Icarus is so much better than Uprising... the original may be crap but at least didn't aggravate my carpal tunnel.
-Crafting systems and loot systems are OK once in a while (provided they're balanced properly), but shouldn't be superfluously shoved into every single game ever just because.
-I am not into quick, 5 minute 'time waster' games... if I have a few minutes downtime I'll just check out Facebook or a news app or something. If I'm going to play a game, I will make time for it, and thus usually play for at least an hour or two at a time.
-I've also been having way more fun going on the hunt for retro games, and playing these games with friends.
-Sega Master System's default sound is much better than the FM module music. (this is a test to see if Aeana is lurking on here)
-Apart from the DQ remakes and Radiant Historia, PSP had a better library than the DS.
-I agree with nearly every one of Mary Tyler Whore's points
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on March 24, 2015, 09:57:59 PM
When did Kagari join? :leon

I was convinced suupadoopa was a Rahx alt for the longest time.
You mean it's not?
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 24, 2015, 11:42:46 PM
When did Kagari join? :leon

I was convinced suupadoopa was a Rahx alt for the longest time.
You mean it's not?
I mean I don't agree with most of these.
GBA was the last worthwhile Nintendo handheld-There are no worthwhile Nintendo Handhelds and if they are it's the 3ds
GameCube was the last worthwhile Nintendo home console-The GCN is terrible. The Wii has Xenoblade.
FFFVIII, FFX, & FFXIII were the best FFs from their respective eras-Sure, but thats only because there's only XIII, but XII and IX are great.
Ni No Kuni is boring garbage-Boring, but not garbage.
Persona 4 is overrated-P4 is still pretty good. The fanbase is the problem.
Vita > 3DS-The Vita sucks.
PSP > DS-Sure thanks to the PSP's incredible later years.
Only Treyarch makes decent CoD games-All the CoD's are the same to me.
N64 had no games-Star Fox.
FFVII is more influential than SM64-Don't care about SM64
Minish Cap is the best 2D Zelda-Don't give a fuck about Zelda
WW is the best 3D Zelda-All of Zelda is the same to me.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: benjipwns on March 25, 2015, 12:56:13 AM
Tower Defense is the best genre. Especially any genre blends on it ala Sanctum or Orcs Must Die.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Positive Touch on March 25, 2015, 01:02:44 AM
old 2d wrpgs suck because i hate d&d 2.0
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 25, 2015, 01:17:43 AM
"thac0" is such a ridiculous acronym I just can't hate. plus all that chainmail bikini art omg
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 25, 2015, 10:35:23 AM
There is no Taco Bell in Poland anymore though, there used to be one in Warsaw in the early 90's.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: archnemesis on March 25, 2015, 10:43:35 AM
Unless they've expanded recently there are almost no Taco Bell restaurants in Europe. Last time I checked you could only find them on Iceland and in Madrid. They serve pretty crappy fast food and if you're craving for Mexican food then you're better off going to a real restaurant.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Tasty on March 25, 2015, 01:22:23 PM
Killing dudes in games got old two generations ago. Would love to have a AAA game without gameplay 90% focused on killing dudes.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Your Stalker on March 25, 2015, 01:35:46 PM
Modding Bethesda games is more fun than actually playing them.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on March 25, 2015, 01:43:07 PM
Modding Bethesda games is more fun than actually playing them.
Nah. But playing modded Bethseda games is more fun than playing Bethseda games.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Steve Contra on March 25, 2015, 01:59:54 PM
Mario 64 is a shitty game.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 25, 2015, 02:14:00 PM
Ninja Gaiden (modern series) games aren't hard. [shrug]

But did you play those on Xbox and Xbox 360 or the Sigma versions?  The latter are dumbed down, IIRC.

I played the first one on the Xbox and that's mainly where my confusion comes from. I think there was one section that I died a couple times, but it's always seemed like the frustrated rage towards this game was totally overblown. It's a fun, challenging game. That's it.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Tasty on March 25, 2015, 02:20:09 PM
Killing dudes in games got old two generations ago. Would love to have a AAA game without gameplay 90% focused on killing dudes.

#ShitNinthingsSay

Killing dudes is the Chin Down, Eyes Up of primary game mechanics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9dg8PI2sEg
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on March 25, 2015, 02:25:21 PM
Killing dudes in games got old two generations ago. Would love to have a AAA game without gameplay 90% focused on killing dudes.

#ShitNinthingsSay
Nah man he's right.

It's been done to death by now. Killing a battalion's worth of dudes is just meh by now.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on March 25, 2015, 02:29:48 PM
And yet throwing balls to catch cartoony creatures beyond the age of 12 isn't?  :comeon
A man's gotta have his fap material.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 25, 2015, 02:31:14 PM
Street Fighter sucks.

Mortal Kombat sucks.

Tekken Sucks.

Virtual Fighter is :lawd
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Tasty on March 25, 2015, 02:34:20 PM
And yet throwing balls to catch cartoony creatures beyond the age of 12 isn't?  :comeon

That's one series man. At its most prolific, that's one game* a year. Then you look at this:

(http://i.imgur.com/0UAP04b.png)

Only two games where the story isn't just a flimsy excuse to kill hundreds of dudes. Much variety, such wow.

Then you take into account this has been the status quo since the late 90's and man, it's feels like games haven't evolved at all. I'm not saying all shooters should go away, but fuck, even someone other than Nintendo giving it a shot would be welcome at this point. With the gaming media constantly reinforcing that M-rated shooters are the only GOTY-worthy material it's no wonder to me we have GamerGate.

*Two versions but whatevs.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Tasty on March 25, 2015, 02:39:59 PM
You kill in Zelda, same in Mario.  :lol

Just cause it's more fantastical and isn't real doesn't change that. Hell, most killing in games is fantastical and not real as well. I guess you can not kill in most stealth games if you were going for a new kill run. But otherwise most killing has been a part of games as soon as games got popular.

"Primary game mechanic." You don't play Mario just to jump on Goombas. What's the reason to play Assassin's Creed? (Hint: it's in the fucking title, lol.)
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: demi on March 25, 2015, 02:46:23 PM
You kill in Zelda, same in Mario.  :lol

Just cause it's more fantastical and isn't real doesn't change that. Hell, most killing in games is fantastical and not real as well. I guess you can not kill in most stealth games if you were going for a new kill run. But otherwise most killing has been a part of games as soon as games got popular.

"Primary game mechanic." You don't play Mario just to jump on Goombas. What's the reason to play Assassin's Creed? (Hint: it's in the fucking title, lol.)

Underage alert. Go play Assassins Creed and come back. Hint: You barely do whats in the fucking title, lol.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: mormapope on March 25, 2015, 02:49:48 PM
Almost every Nintendo franchise revolves around conflict, with combat and trying not to die or being made a bitch being the main sources of conflict. Smash Brothers is one of the Nintendo's biggest IPs and it revolves around beating the shit out of every Nintendo character. Mario Kart is about throwing weapons at other drivers, road rage.

If you make combat and confrontation more realistic or muted, you get boring shit like Shenmue 1. If the creators don't give a fuck and go all out, you get Yakuza.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Tasty on March 25, 2015, 02:53:20 PM
I can see getting tired of genres, but beating enemies is a big part of a lot of genres, franchises, and styles.

That's more to my point, AAA gaming should be more creatively diverse from that. Compare the diversity at the Oscars to any GOTY award show. It's time for gaming to grow up, and until it does the userbase won't.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on March 25, 2015, 02:53:52 PM
You kill in Zelda, same in Mario.  :lol

Just cause it's more fantastical and isn't real doesn't change that. Hell, most killing in games is fantastical and not real as well. I guess you can not kill in most stealth games if you were going for a new kill run. But otherwise most killing has been a part of games as soon as games got popular.

"Primary game mechanic." You don't play Mario just to jump on Goombas. What's the reason to play Assassin's Creed? (Hint: it's in the fucking title, lol.)

Underage alert. Go play Assassins Creed and come back. Hint: You barely do whats in the fucking title, lol.
That reminds me. Assassin's Creed is ass.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 25, 2015, 03:01:38 PM
I can see getting tired of genres, but beating enemies is a big part of a lot of genres, franchises, and styles.

That's more to my point, AAA gaming should be more creatively diverse from that. Compare the diversity at the Oscars to any GOTY award show. It's time for gaming to grow up, and until it does the userbase won't.

Life is Strange
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: cool breeze on March 25, 2015, 03:02:42 PM
speaking of killing in zelda, and this is coming from a huge zelda dork:  no zelda game has good combat
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: mormapope on March 25, 2015, 03:05:26 PM
Videogames have also replaced action movies, action movies haven't been the same since the 80's and 90's.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on March 25, 2015, 03:07:48 PM
That might be why videogame stories are a lot like an 80s b movie script.  And yes, that includes tlou
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Tasty on March 25, 2015, 03:11:23 PM
It's clear I have the most controversial gaming opinion of the thread. I win. :rejoice
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: brob on March 25, 2015, 03:17:25 PM
Ardently Held Controversial Gaming Opinion #1: biggest problem with the video game industry is the poor working conditions (uncompetitive pay, exhausting work hours, laughable job security, needing highly specialized educations, etc.). This also is evident in the products that are put out in that, in the name of polish, everything seems to coalesce into something that could have been made by any developer (as opposed to bearing the mark of having been developed by these specific individuals).

Ardently Held Controversial Gaming Opinion #2: Video games are probably the most vapid form of entertainment available so it strikes me as particularly pathetic when nerds gets bent out of shape about how video games are moving to cellphones or whatever other development in the zeitgeist that shifts the center of attention from the specific basement dwelling nerd who is at home on message boards. 
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: mormapope on March 25, 2015, 03:18:51 PM
The franchise with the most entertaining stories took the most badass character from the 80's

(http://www.flickeringmyth.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/snake-plissken.jpeg)
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 25, 2015, 03:38:11 PM
I like playing as empowered female characters that are fighting to destroy masculinity.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: bork on March 25, 2015, 04:15:09 PM
Street Fighter sucks.

Mortal Kombat sucks.

Tekken Sucks.

Virtual Fighter is :lawd

Let me fix that for you.

Virtua Fighter is  :dead

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:heyman
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Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 25, 2015, 05:10:13 PM
The franchise with the most entertaining stories took the most badass character from the 80's

(http://www.flickeringmyth.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/snake-plissken.jpeg)

Solid Snake is a whiny emo fuccboi

Snake Plissken is a badass that doesn't fucking whine

Kojima is the worst thing to happen to video games since Miyamoto
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: mormapope on March 25, 2015, 05:32:29 PM
Hes a whiny emo oldboy in MGS4 and only MGS4.

Kojima is the only game director to stay relevant for 30 years.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 25, 2015, 05:34:49 PM
Sure, I guess. If "relevant" means "convincing people with shitty taste to buy your tripe and treat it like Shakespeare."
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: mormapope on March 25, 2015, 05:38:40 PM
Only full blown spergs treat the MGS series like its flawless or it doesn't have huge pacing/writing issues breh.  :jawalrus

I love the series to death but I admit its melodramtic as fuck and has serious pacing issues in each game. MGS4 is non stop garbage. The people that say MGS as a series has terrible gameplay suck at stealth games or lack the ability to learn new things.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 25, 2015, 05:48:48 PM
Oh, I'm sorry. I was unaware that there were "games" amidst all the cutscene horseshit and codec chatter.

Kojima should make movies, because that's what he wants to do.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 25, 2015, 06:01:34 PM
MGS is like the most "gamey" series out there.

People need to stop being ignorant idiots when they criticize the series.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: mormapope on March 25, 2015, 06:02:52 PM
MGS is like the most "gamey" series out there.

People need to stop being ignorant idiots when they criticize the series.

You can also skip every cutscene and codec conversation in every game in the franchise.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 25, 2015, 06:16:58 PM
First. I'm probably the biggest MGS fan here.

The story is'nt shitty.

The games incredibly operate on gamey logic for almost anything.

Are there plenty of cutscenes? Sure, I don't believe I said there wasn't. That dosen't change the fact that pretty much every MGS game offers plenty of gameplay. Gameplay mostly about fucking with AI. Pretty much every MGS game gives you plenty of tools and playing with the Ai can easily become a sandbox if you want it. Or you can just straight up shoot people. The game has plenty of options. MGA1 and especially MGS3 have plenty of gameplay and a good balance between gameplay and cutscenes. Only 2 is the outlier and even then it features pretty much the best version of MGS gameplay pre-4. If you just want the gameplay, pick up the expanded versions or just skip the cutscenes. All the MGS games are very replayable because of the ammount of things you can do, the diffculty options, and hidden things to find. People you accuse the MGS games of simply just being story are idiots. There's an incredible amount of game in them and at at least until 4 they were also very self aware about thier gamey logic.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: mormapope on March 25, 2015, 06:19:44 PM
I interpreted gamey as the game not pretending it isn't a videogame. Characters will tell you button prompts, specific game tips on how to beat bosses or how to progress, all that sorta shit. You would never hear Ellie tell Joel that he needs to press square to reload, you will never hear Liara tell Shepard that the inventory system fucking sucks.

MGS is incredibly traditional when it comes to separating gameplay and cutscenes, but the context and things going on in the universe are gamey as hell.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 25, 2015, 06:25:23 PM
The story is'nt shitty.

Your opinion would have more weight if you weren't you
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: mormapope on March 25, 2015, 06:32:15 PM
I'd say the plot in every MGS game is whack and weird as fuck, but the subject matter and themes in each game (minus MGS4) are the most interesting in the AAA gaming space.

MGS1: Cold hearted solider learning to live his life without pain and letting go of what he's made of, nuclear disarmament and how the world is sleeping regarding that.

MGS2: The digital age and how context or information can be interpreted, the dilution of any absolute truth and how the world functions.

MGS3: How having a life without meaning causes deep seated loyalty and sacrifice.

Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Steve Contra on March 25, 2015, 06:33:00 PM
Catch feels over a thread for troll opinions :neogaf you guys are taking some serious Ls here, Snorenado chief amongst you
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 25, 2015, 06:33:17 PM
I'm sorry MGS dosen't have enough mindless clicking. Why don't you go play that and stop being a giant fucking douche for once?

Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 25, 2015, 06:42:09 PM

The story is'nt shitty.

it's extra shitty. you don't have to defend it via the whole bla bla bla it's tongue in cheek or whatever. it's real real bad.
I wouldn't defend it that way, because I don't give a fuck what any of you actually think about the games. It's not bad. It's just as dumb as any over the top action story. No one is going to say MGS is as good as high literature or a really good movie. It's a fun series that occasionally has good enough plotlines and characters that are memorable and at least have a point to them. It's as good and entertaining as any normal superhero comic or national broadcast television show. No one seriously thinks it's high art. That's stupid. It simply was good enough to be interested in and care what happens.

But then again, this is thebore where everyone thinks they are fucking above everything and everything sucks. So why even talk about video games?
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on March 25, 2015, 06:43:08 PM

The story is'nt shitty.

it's extra shitty. you don't have to defend it via the whole bla bla bla it's tongue in cheek or whatever. it's real real bad.
Honestly, I think only 1 and 3 have a chance of having their stories not be shitty. There were some silly elements but if you removed it, not that bad.
2 could possibly be saved if it weren't for execution
Jack: "Colonel, they're going to kill the hostages. I'm going in!"
Rose: "But you never spend any time with me bwaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!'

Still really silly but maybe it could be saved. Probably not.
There's no hope for 4 though.

And actually the Non-Boss sections of Peace Walker weren't that bad either. I did sorta like the idea of Big boss having to take down the memory of the mentor he killed (even if it was fantastical), I thought it was compelling. Then the ghost of his mentor took over a robot, started singing a Carpenter's song and drowned itself in the ocean. :goty2 Kojima!!!!!
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 25, 2015, 06:44:14 PM
Tower Defense is the best genre. Especially any genre blends on it ala Sanctum or Orcs Must Die.

The new Orcs Must Die just hit beta.  So excited.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: mormapope on March 25, 2015, 06:51:39 PM
MGS3 is the goofiest one out of the bunch. Hornet man, spiderman, photosynthetic old sniper, flamethrower man, soul man, lightning man, and then finally the normal one. MGS2 has the same supernatural stuff, but MGS3 took it further.

MGS1 still has the best voice acting in the series, best dialog too.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on March 25, 2015, 07:00:32 PM
MGS3 is the goofiest one out of the bunch. Hornet man, spiderman, photosynthetic old sniper, flamethrower man, soul man, lightning man, and then finally the normal one. MGS2 has the same supernatural stuff, but MGS3 took it further.

MGS1 still has the best voice acting in the series, best dialog too.
Come now, all those bosses wouldn't be out of place in a super hero movie. Let's not pretend that videogames are supposed to be like Shakespeare. At best they're like a super hero movie. If you take that into account, MGS3 isn't too far off the mark.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: mormapope on March 25, 2015, 07:03:35 PM
I agree with this. Ain't exactly a high bar, though.

MGS1's voice acting holds up really well nowadays. Having played it a bunch last year, you'd be surprised how natural everyone sounds with the shit they have to say. Its legitimately good. Compared to other games at the time, MGS1 kills it.

MGS2's voice acting is awkward and unnatural in comparison, its awkward and unnatural to begin with. At least for the Colonel it makes sense, he's AI.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: mormapope on March 25, 2015, 07:07:15 PM
Come now, all those bosses wouldn't be out of place in a super hero movie. Let's not pretend that videogames are supposed to be like Shakespeare. At best they're like a super hero movie. If you take that into account, MGS3 isn't too far off the mark.

Shakespeare is garbage anyways  :jawalrus

Coming from the heart too.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on March 25, 2015, 07:10:33 PM
Street Fighter sucks.

Mortal Kombat sucks.

Tekken Sucks.

Virtual Fighter is :lawd

While I' disagree about Street Fighter ('sfun man.)
I do gotta agree about everything else.
Especially Virtua fighter. That game requires almost a zen like state of mind to master.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: mormapope on March 25, 2015, 07:24:54 PM
Street Fighter 4 is one of the best fighting games of all time because you win due to fundamentals, not combos. If you aren't patient or if you don't learn from defeat, it'll suck ass.

Marvel vs. Capcom 3 needed more love and care. Shit needed to be updated and tweaked, more characters could've been added. Capcom losing the license has caused the game's death competitively.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: cool breeze on March 25, 2015, 08:47:43 PM
I'm not about to defend metal gear stories but I'll give Kojima credit for recycling the same story outline for four games.  mgs4 is the first time he deviated and look how that turned out. 
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: pilonv1 on March 25, 2015, 09:43:25 PM
Tower Defense is the best genre. Especially any genre blends on it ala Sanctum or Orcs Must Die.

The new Orcs Must Die just hit beta.  So excited.

Didn't they have a FTP version that sucked giant wangs? I didn't like the co-op focus in OMD2 either
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Mr. Nobody on March 25, 2015, 10:22:58 PM
FF12 and 13 were pretty good.

Kingdom Hearts is trash and only loved because idiots can't get past "Disney  :hyper"

Metroidvanias are a top 5 gaming genre
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Positive Touch on March 25, 2015, 10:26:28 PM
well any fun that coulda been had itt is dead and gone now Jesus Christ
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 25, 2015, 11:06:05 PM
Tower Defense is the best genre. Especially any genre blends on it ala Sanctum or Orcs Must Die.

The new Orcs Must Die just hit beta.  So excited.

Didn't they have a FTP version that sucked giant wangs? I didn't like the co-op focus in OMD2 either

The FTP one is the one that just hit beta
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 25, 2015, 11:22:01 PM
I think the reason why some nerds want games to be considered art or on par with classic movies is so they can mentally justify why they wasted a significant percentage of the prime years of their lives on vidya.

Just own it.  Don't try to intellectualize it by rationalizing how you spent your weekend nights as a teenager playing games instead of fumbling to try to get some girl's bra off at a bonfire party.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: CatsCatsCats on March 25, 2015, 11:22:20 PM
Majoras Mask was trash couldn't even finish it
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: mormapope on March 25, 2015, 11:24:16 PM
I think the reason why some nerds want games to be considered art or on par with classic movies is so they can mentally justify why they wasted a significant percentage of the prime years of their lives on vidya.

Just own it.  Don't try to intellectualize it by rationalizing how you spent your weekend nights as a teenager playing games instead of fumbling to try to get some girl's bra off at a bonfire party.

I view art as anything and everything. Something being art doesn't mean its good or has good qualities.

WWE is art, videogames are art, some homeless dude puking blood and shitting in a pizza box is art.
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: pilonv1 on March 26, 2015, 12:04:10 AM
Tower Defense is the best genre. Especially any genre blends on it ala Sanctum or Orcs Must Die.

The new Orcs Must Die just hit beta.  So excited.

Didn't they have a FTP version that sucked giant wangs? I didn't like the co-op focus in OMD2 either

The FTP one is the one that just hit beta

I thought it was out already, remember reading something about it on QT3. Might check it out then
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 26, 2015, 04:25:32 AM
I think the reason why some nerds want games to be considered art or on par with classic movies is so they can mentally justify why they wasted a significant percentage of the prime years of their lives on vidya.

Just own it.  Don't try to intellectualize it by rationalizing how you spent your weekend nights as a teenager playing games instead of fumbling to try to get some girl's bra off at a bonfire party.

history is on our side; we will dig you in (already have, really); get over it
Title: Re: what are your ardently held contraversial gaming opinions
Post by: Huff on March 26, 2015, 06:33:48 AM
I don't even understand why people argue about vidya. Even y'all tards are going at it