A bizarre murder brings together three law-enforcement officers and a career criminal, each of whom must navigate a web of conspiracy and betrayal in the scorched landscapes of California. Colin Farrell is Ray Velcoro, a compromised detective in the all-industrial City of Vinci, LA County. Vince Vaughn plays Frank Semyon, a criminal and entrepreneur in danger of losing his life’s work, while his wife and closest ally (Kelly Reilly), struggles with his choices and her own. Rachel McAdams is Ani Bezzerides, a Ventura County Sheriff’s detective often at odds with the system she serves, while Taylor Kitsch plays Paul Woodrugh, a war veteran and motorcycle cop for the California Highway Patrol who discovers a crime scene which triggers an investigation involving three law enforcement groups, multiple criminal collusions, and billions of dollars.
They'll never top the King in Yellow motif from Season 1.the more I thought about it, the more it felt like half-baked existential Lovecraftian horror
LOL @ rabid S1 fanboys on GAF dismissing the cinematography based on a 60 second teaser.
Looks good. Can't say too much since it's just a fucking teaser. Plot:Quote
A bizarre murder brings together three law-enforcement officers and a career criminal, each of whom must navigate a web of conspiracy and betrayal in the scorched landscapes of California. Colin Farrell is Ray Velcoro, a compromised detective in the all-industrial City of Vinci, LA County. Vince Vaughn plays Frank Semyon, a criminal and entrepreneur in danger of losing his life’s work, while his wife and closest ally (Kelly Reilly), struggles with his choices and her own. Rachel McAdams is Ani Bezzerides, a Ventura County Sheriff’s detective often at odds with the system she serves, while Taylor Kitsch plays Paul Woodrugh, a war veteran and motorcycle cop for the California Highway Patrol who discovers a crime scene which triggers an investigation involving three law enforcement groups, multiple criminal collusions, and billions of dollars.
Daddario
The double d's in the last name are so fitting. :noah
Any epic titties yet?
Wow that was a crazy ending to ep 2.
Still not emotionally invested in the characters as season 1. And who gives a shit about the story, but it's not like the first season had a great one either.spoiler (click to show/hide)Maybe we're not suppose to like the characters since they're all going to die[close]
spoiler (click to show/hide)apparently Farrell isn't dead. Shame. I liked it better with them killing of a main character so soon and out of no where[close]
I don't think casper is actually dead. They did mention plastic surgery at the therapy place
spoiler (click to show/hide)What would be cool/better is if the story had just been constructed in such a way as the past being just as important as the current events where it all ties in. Sort of like a mini-pulp fiction. That way you can kill him but he is still relevant to the story and future scenes. They haven't really demonstrated this to be the case at all though, and I doubt they would be good enough to handle such a complicated plot setup. So either he survives which seems stupid or its some kind of ruse.[close]
Obviously the one dude is a closeted gay dude, which I can buy. However if McAdams turns out to be into bondage because she has daddy problems...that's just too on the nose for me.
Dunno, still think he's interesting as a character. Being gay and hiding it seems to be just one of his many problems. His military past, suicide tendencies, his relationship to his mom.. also I'm in the one-man camp that thinks Kitsch does a good job here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFh71_ftxLE
makes me crave another Beth Gibbons & Rustin Man album so bad
:tocry
Didn't like that episode either. Right after I sort of got over Vocorro being alive the episode decided to stretch my believability even further with the ridiculous mayor's house scene, followed by that cringe worthy fight scene, followed by the guy in the mask blowing up the car and waiting for the detectives to see him before jumping the fence. Nope.
I just can't buy Vaughn. He's easily the weakest link, and I can't help but wonder what type of actors he beat out to get the role. He's not imposing or believable to me, as a former street criminal turned semi clean businessman.
Yeah, barring some major 2nd half of the season salvaging of his character, Vaughn looks incredibly miscast. Was worried about that.
Also, like, I get that there needs to be character development but I feel like having so many "leads" cuts in on the time that's devoted to the mystery, which is hurting the show.
Yeah I'm just not seeing it for Farrell like the rest of you. Just a lot of stern watery eyed stares and quivering.
Yeah I'm just not seeing it for Farrell like the rest of you. Just a lot of stern watery eyed stares and quivering.
Honestly he's the only of the four leads that hasn't been boring for me so far. Not sure if I really even care about the character that much tho. I mostly just like him for that line he said to the kid about butt fucking his dad or whatever.
Compare how hard season 1 was firing at this point to this crap and :brazilcry
I really hate how little they're giving McAdams and Kitsch. Like we know so much about Farrell's character and almost nothing about anyone else.You take that back. Fisk is great.
I think Vince Vaughn's character has received the second most depth, but like his acting is as painfully bad as the guy who played Kingpin in Daredevil that I just want his scenes to be over with as soon as possible.
I really hate how little they're giving McAdams and Kitsch. Like we know so much about Farrell's character and almost nothing about anyone else.You take that back. Fisk is great.
I think Vince Vaughn's character has received the second most depth, but like his acting is as painfully bad as the guy who played Kingpin in Daredevil that I just want his scenes to be over with as soon as possible.
That was the whole point.I really hate how little they're giving McAdams and Kitsch. Like we know so much about Farrell's character and almost nothing about anyone else.You take that back. Fisk is great.
I think Vince Vaughn's character has received the second most depth, but like his acting is as painfully bad as the guy who played Kingpin in Daredevil that I just want his scenes to be over with as soon as possible.
He sounded like an autistic man baby with severe constipation every time he spoke.
If the quality of the season follows last season we're in for one hell of shitty ending to the show :-XCompare how hard season 1 was firing at this point to this crap and :brazilcry
They went from Lost S1 to Lost S6 in one season, complete with people desperately wanting to believe that the end will be good, just wait! :noah
I can't fuck with any of the music in this season brehs.
So far this is a downer all over for me.
That was the whole point.I really hate how little they're giving McAdams and Kitsch. Like we know so much about Farrell's character and almost nothing about anyone else.You take that back. Fisk is great.
I think Vince Vaughn's character has received the second most depth, but like his acting is as painfully bad as the guy who played Kingpin in Daredevil that I just want his scenes to be over with as soon as possible.
He sounded like an autistic man baby with severe constipation every time he spoke.
Have there been any shows where the season mostly sucks but ends really strong?
For True Detective, since its a anthology series, the better question would have there been shows in their entirety that have sucked (season 2 TD alone) and then ended strong?
Overall there's just too much self loathing and brooding.
Just got around to watching the episode. I thought it was an ok episode. By that I mean I think its been like most of the season. It was an up and down episode. Better than the awful episode last week but still very inconsistent. There will be a good scene followed up by an awful scene followed up by a mediocre sign, etc. There is stuff I like when I watch an episode. I don't think the show is awful television by any stretch. But it absolutely dips and at times it is awful.Overall there's just too much self loathing and brooding.
I think is one of the real cruxes of the issue. I know its annoying to do and I don't think everything should just be a comparsion to the first season to beat up the second season but some of the problems were just elegantly solved in season 1 so its relevant.
Everyone is brooding and self loathing. And you can get away with that in a 2 hour film noir movie. But the longer it goes, the more it just seems to feel disconnected from the real world. Sometimes it feels like characters are trying to deliver Shakesperian dialogue about their enui towards the human condition. And some of that has always been in noir but its a fine line you have to tread within that universe. I remember not liking Brick for the very same reasons.
So in Season 1 you had Cohle who was as broody and angsty as anyone in season 2. He was a fascinating character but he was perfectly counter balanced by Martin who wasn't that kind of character. He was a much more grounded character. Flawed but grounded. So he was this perfect counter measure to Cohle. Whenever the story got too existential, Martin was there to ground it. Whenever it got too grounded, Cohle was there to make it about something bigger. And the perfect balance is that it never dips into either situation for too long.
This story has no successful grounding anchor. The characters are all self loathing and brooding. Instead of a character, the grounding part is supposed to be their personal lives. With the gay guy, its supposed to be his battle against being gay. With Velcoro, its supposed to be his son. With Rachel McAdams its her family stuff and her relationships. With Frank, its having a kid I guess and losing control. But its just hard to care about that stuff with how this show is constructed. All that stuff just feels like annoying distracting side stuff when it comes up instead of interesting stuff to flesh out the characters. I feel like its treated like shit to get out of the way just to get back to the actual reason we are here which is the case.
I know some people didn't care about the family shit in the first season and I can get that but even if that part of it didn't work for you, the two big characters themselves still served the same purpose. They were the ying and yang.
Feeling really good about holding off on watching this live and then marathoning all ten eps on a lazy weekend.This'll be me as well.
That felt like it was supposed to be the second episode of the season. I fact with just a few minor tweaks it could have been the second episode, given that we learned as much in that as the entire 4 episodes preceding it. It feels like (and probably is) a rushed first draft.
These last 3 episodes are going to be the most amazing train wreck ever.
This was the first episode where I felt an actual sense of momentum. Though I've been waiting so long for the hooks to finally sink in that I was pretty surprised to see there's only three episodes left, feels like we're still getting started.
I liked the episode more than the last couple but it still had problems. The pacing of nearly every episode has been very slow, made worse by the editing. Scenes come and go without making an impact, some linger too long, and perhaps the biggest issue is that so many scenes are essentially repeated. Frank being the main culprit in this regard, as we get hit over the head with a wave of similar scenes every episode.
The season is almost over and I feel like very little has been accomplished.
I liked the episode more than the last couple but it still had problems. The pacing of nearly every episode has been very slow, made worse by the editing. Scenes come and go without making an impact, some linger too long, and perhaps the biggest issue is that so many scenes are essentially repeated. Frank being the main culprit in this regard, as we get hit over the head with a wave of similar scenes every episode.
The season is almost over and I feel like very little has been accomplished.
There was one wtf moment for me in the episode- I think it was Frank and his lady talking, then they cut to another scene, then BACK TO THE SAME FUCKING SCENE WITH FRANK AND HIS LADY FOR ALL OF ANOTHER MINUTE OR TWO. What in the everliving fuck.
Editing etc was closer to the first 2 episodes as well. Loved that small scene with Kitsch and Mcadams finding the torture hut/them walking through the forest.
I just don't get how they seemingly gave their least talented guy the big shootout episode. Y'all had Lin do two episodes and you don't give him the big explosive one?
That Frank scene where he's telling the boy he's full of gold :lol :lol :lol
Pretty obvious with this season that Pizzaman is a trash writer, and Fukunaga was working miracles on his end.
Should I come back and run through this yet if I didn't like the first few eps?
Should I come back and run through this yet if I didn't like the first few eps?
That Frank scene where he's telling the boy he's full of gold :lol :lol :lol
Pretty obvious with this season that Pizzaman is a trash writer, and Fukunaga was working miracles on his end.
Naw, his novel, Galveston, was very good from start to finish.
Apart from the bad-pulp dialogue, the writing this season seems like a reaction to how many viewers focused on the Carcossa mythology rather than the emotional arc of the characters last round. This season refuses to indulge the supernatural and doubles down on exploring the Dark Brooding Souls of its characters, and it's to the shows detriment. It seems like Pizza is trying to prove to himself that he's a more serious writer than he actually is, and it's a bit embarrassing to watch him face-plant like this.
That being said, I still look forward to it every week, and I will be disappointed if HBO doesn't give him another crack at it.
Apart from the bad-pulp dialogue, the writing this season seems like a reaction to how many viewers focused on the Carcossa mythology rather than the emotional arc of the characters last round. This season refuses to indulge the supernatural and doubles down on exploring the Dark Brooding Souls of its characters, and it's to the shows detriment. It seems like Pizza is trying to prove to himself that he's a more serious writer than he actually is, and it's a bit embarrassing to watch him face-plant like this.
That being said, I still look forward to it every week, and I will be disappointed if HBO doesn't give him another crack at it.
But Rust and Marty's relationship was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than this. It was the soul of S1's show.
only thing i didn't like was the final stuff between mcadams/farrell
I was shipping for Velcoro and the bar waitress :shaq2
So the last episode is apparently feature length. Not psyched about that with a show that already feels like a chore to watch 90% of the time.
Next week’s 90 minute—yes! 90 minute—finale should involve Velcoro and Bezzerides trying to find Laura and Leonard and going to the Feds “or CNN” with the conspiracy, because if they don’t, they are going to be murdered by Burris and Holloway et al.
Sad to see Gay Batman go tho. He was my nicca.
Well that was worse than any finale I could have ever imagined even going in with the lowest of expectations. Show sucked.
Well that was worse than any finale I could have ever imagined even going in with the lowest of expectations. Show sucked.
:picard
It wasn't that bad, imo.spoiler (click to show/hide)What did you want, a happy ending? No show ever telegraphed that that wouldn't be happening more than this one ever did, for fucks sakes. You could tell that Ray was dead as soon as he made the idiotic decision to see his kid one last time. And Frank's demise was also entirely predictable- when he was going into his downward spiral, he fucked over so many people there was no reasonable way to believe he would come out that alive. If it hadn't been the Mexicans, it would have been someone. He got sloppy and let his guard down after he got the diamonds.[close]
Well, at least we've got this to look forward to, man.
(http://i.imgur.com/ZQho9W7.jpg?1)
http://www.rollingstone.com/tv/features/what-went-wrong-with-true-detective-season-2-20150810
http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/true-detective-season-2-episode-8-omega-station/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmvMrG519TQ
I'm two episodes in; the cinematography is largely pretty, but the editing is somewhere between nonsensical and atrocious. It's hard to tell where anyone is looking, or where they're going at any moment. I can't tell if they're trying to emphasize LA's shabby monotony or if it's just an accidental tone they've achieved.
Also, reading this, because I'm already super confused:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2015/08/03/true_detective_season_two_a_guide_to_the_plot_of_this_confusing_season.html
How much cocaine do you think Nic's doing, on a scale of "busy housewife" to "Tony Montana"?
Gonna be good.
They probably feel the brand is damaged. Better to create something new instead of trying to rehab it.
Gonna be good.
:sabu