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Title: windows 10 is out
Post by: fistfulofmetal on July 29, 2015, 12:38:06 AM
downloading it now on my laptop. gonna avoid updating on my desktop for a bit until everyone clears it as stable.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Himu on July 29, 2015, 12:39:23 AM
tell us how games work on it
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Beezy on July 29, 2015, 12:55:17 AM
Thank you for being our first guinea pig.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: thisismyusername on July 29, 2015, 01:06:22 AM
I'm basically waiting on the reserve to say it's ready.  >:(

Thank you for being our first guinea pig.

I was a guinea pig during the preview "beta." I'd rather be on 10 than waiting for a service pack/updates on 8.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: thisismyusername on July 29, 2015, 01:25:02 AM
It's defo worth the upgrade if you're coming from 8. If you're on 7 you might as well wait a week or two for them to sort things out.

And just as I post this, the upgrade prompt comes in. :rejoice Goodbye, forever Windows 8. I won't miss you.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: fistfulofmetal on July 29, 2015, 01:36:17 AM
You can create multiple virtual desktops. Interesting...
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 29, 2015, 01:48:25 AM
I would like to update ASAP but the software client I use for work is a tempermental piece of shit and is currently optimized for 8.1. As soon as I hear it's usable on 10 I'll upgrade.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 29, 2015, 02:59:10 AM
The upgrade for 8 users is free right?

It can't be worse than 8
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 29, 2015, 03:02:55 AM
I've found 8.1 to be so functionally similar to 7 as to not matter, other than occasional weird shit with my video card. (keep getting a stupid video memory management internal error)
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 29, 2015, 03:09:44 AM
Could be, and I really appreciate how fast 8 is, even compared to 7. I just never got over the new interface. I know there must be some way to get the old interface back, but I use my laptop like once a month so I never bothered.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 29, 2015, 03:17:40 AM
It boots straight to the desktop for me, I never fuck with the stupid tiles.

:yeshrug
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 29, 2015, 03:23:01 AM
Does that for me too, it's just something about that start button man  :-[
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: chronovore on July 29, 2015, 05:44:53 AM
Because I thought it was an essential update, I accidentally clicked-through the Japanese Windows Update prompt for the Win10 upgrade, and now I wonder if I'm going to regret it.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Reb on July 29, 2015, 06:03:50 AM
If been running windows 10 on a small laptop for a few weeks (months?) now.
I haven't encountered any real problems thusfar. I will be updating my desktop today.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: pilonv1 on July 29, 2015, 07:20:42 AM
Did it come windows 10-tan?

(http://i.imgur.com/xjiDI8D.png)
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: fistfulofmetal on July 29, 2015, 08:03:30 AM
so far so good. everything functions and there hasn't been anything weird
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: fistfulofmetal on July 29, 2015, 10:15:52 AM
Cortana seems neat, but I don't really see the need to have such functionality on your PC when the same stuff is on your phone.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Tasty on July 29, 2015, 10:43:46 AM
http://www.theverge.com/2015/7/29/9066399/windows-10-russian-cartoon-commercial

 :cac
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Kara on July 29, 2015, 10:54:55 AM
http://www.theverge.com/2015/7/29/9066399/windows-10-russian-cartoon-commercial

 :cac

Maxim Gorky is spinning in his grave.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: bork on July 29, 2015, 11:06:28 AM
Stupid question: Do you need 16 GB of free space just for the install?  Assuming so.  I want to try this on my tablet but space is an issue.  Will wait a good few months or until the first service pack to install Win 10 on my laptop.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Reb on July 29, 2015, 11:25:57 AM
I have it installed on my 32GB Transformer T100, I think you need around 10GB free for the process.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Himu on July 29, 2015, 12:10:15 PM
Stupid question: Do you need 16 GB of free space just for the install?  Assuming so.  I want to try this on my tablet but space is an issue.  Will wait a good few months or until the first service pack to install Win 10 on my laptop.

16 GB for 32-bit OS 20 GB for 64-bit OS
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: sarslip on July 29, 2015, 12:12:00 PM
is formatting the HD an option or mando?
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Rufus on July 29, 2015, 12:15:36 PM
is formatting the HD an option or mando?
You have to upgrade/update first, then you do a clean install.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: sarslip on July 29, 2015, 12:25:46 PM
clean install means a full wipe, do they provide any backup options during the install, or are you on your own?

oh nvrmind i think i misread, youre saying you can choose a clean install after you already are running win 10?
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Himu on July 29, 2015, 03:46:05 PM
don't have a email yet :(
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Reb on July 29, 2015, 03:55:20 PM
E-mail? It works via windows update.

I just installed it on my desktop, after I installed an Ubuntu dual boot yesterday.
The boot loader broke after the first reboot needed for the installation of Win10.

It took a lot of googling on my phone before both OS's were installed.
Working swimmingly now!
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: studyguy on July 29, 2015, 04:02:02 PM
I have a 100gb SSD that I use for my OS.
So is it basically download an extra 20gb on top of your existing OS and then it wipes the shit all over right?

Get the feeling I should just install this shit on a clean SSD.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Rufus on July 29, 2015, 04:30:45 PM
clean install means a full wipe, do they provide any backup options during the install, or are you on your own?

oh nvrmind i think i misread, youre saying you can choose a clean install after you already are running win 10?
That's what I read in a FAQ, haven't had a chance to try it myself yet. They made it sound like this is the only way to do a clean install, you have to upgrade first.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Purrp Skirrp on July 29, 2015, 04:35:46 PM
I have a 100gb SSD that I use for my OS.
So is it basically download an extra 20gb on top of your existing OS and then it wipes the shit all over right?

Get the feeling I should just install this shit on a clean SSD.

Same and I only have 22.5 GB left :whew
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: studyguy on July 29, 2015, 04:39:31 PM
I have a 100gb SSD that I use for my OS.
So is it basically download an extra 20gb on top of your existing OS and then it wipes the shit all over right?

Get the feeling I should just install this shit on a clean SSD.

Same and I only have 22.5 GB left :whew

Yeah that's my issue.
I'm scraping by here as it is, not like it matters since it's OS only but still
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: benjipwns on July 29, 2015, 05:08:08 PM
Does the 32 bit version still limit the amount of RAM you can utilize?
Yes, Microsoft found PAE breaks too many drivers, among other issues, so they leave it off on 32-bit. 64-bit doesn't have the limitation in the first place.

Unless your processor is over a decade old or something there's really no reason not to be using 64-bit OS's.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Himu on July 30, 2015, 02:30:44 AM
Okay, so I did a clean install of Windows 10 so I could format everything because I've been having issues. It worked, and everything's gone, except there's one problem. I haven't gained back my hard drive space despite having a clean format. Help?

(http://i.imgur.com/Nri077H.png)
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: fistfulofmetal on July 30, 2015, 03:08:57 AM
You probably never actually formatted the hard drive. I just upgraded but typically when you do a full format and install it will ask what volume/partition you want to install it on and there's usually an option to wipe the data. If you never got the option it probably just installed over what was there.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Himu on July 30, 2015, 03:14:39 AM
When I try to format, it tells me I cannot format that volume because Windows is on it. What can I do? How do I delete the old stuff? I see Windows.Old but not all of that is deleting (like system folder).
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: fistfulofmetal on July 30, 2015, 03:17:52 AM
Dunno. Did you download it to a USB stick? You can do that and boot to that device which is how I always go when I wanna wipe the data and clean install. I don't know if there's an option to wipe your data through whatever automatic update process they have in place.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: fistfulofmetal on July 30, 2015, 03:34:27 AM
There's also reset options you can go through. It's under Update and Security > Recovery
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Himu on July 30, 2015, 03:35:52 AM
I looked up a way to delete windows.old. so far, my issues from before are done with. i'm running on 11 gigs of free space and it's still running like a complete champ. windows 10 owns.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Himu on July 30, 2015, 04:04:24 AM
Cleaning up the files didn't fix shit. ??? I only have 15 gigs
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Himu on July 30, 2015, 04:10:43 AM
I do a command prompt to delete windows.old and get denied ???

(http://i.imgur.com/S22u1M6.png)
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: fistfulofmetal on July 30, 2015, 06:01:15 AM
That data has permissions from your previous Windows install, so you probably don't have explicit permissions to do anything with it.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: sarslip on July 30, 2015, 06:01:38 AM
ah windows.old 

yeah if you dont format the HD when presented with the option youre stuck with a parallel install, this is what im doing, cause space is not a premium for me.  not sure when/if Windows 10 does present a format HD option, this is what im asking for specifics on too.  i wouldnt worry too much about it.  i have only seen windows.old create issues with MS Outlook .pst files / profiles,  that and the space it takes up are really the only drawbacks....or if you have a virus on your old windows, it can carry over dat BS.

edit

i saw a screenshot of the install screen and it is identical to the Windows 7 reinstall screen, you have all the same options for deleting partitions, formatting the HD, or not. 
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Himu on July 30, 2015, 01:11:41 PM
I reset to factory so I'm back on Vista. I try to upgrade to 10 last night and I can't because it's for 7 and 8 only, so now I have to reinstall 8 and then download and reinstall 10! Lmao MS! Oh well! Not too much to complain about but still! :lol
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Himu on July 30, 2015, 01:12:46 PM
Also I chose the option to delete EVERYTHING.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Reb on July 30, 2015, 02:10:04 PM
You should be able to make a boot drive no? Do a clean install?
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Himu on July 30, 2015, 02:12:18 PM
Doesn't matter now! Installing win8! Everything in HDD clean!
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Rufus on July 30, 2015, 03:30:42 PM
 :hans1

(https://i.imgur.com/iHge6RJ.jpg)

 :hans1


Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Tasty on July 30, 2015, 03:31:43 PM
Jesus those screenshots are hideous.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Himu on July 30, 2015, 03:32:55 PM
Was that posted in like

22ppi or something
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Rufus on July 30, 2015, 03:34:36 PM
It's conspiracy.jpg, not conspiracy.png. /shrug

It's readable though. Well, you can read it.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 30, 2015, 03:35:50 PM
:hans1

(https://i.imgur.com/iHge6RJ.jpg)

 :hans1

:what
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Take My Breh Away on July 30, 2015, 04:19:15 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/0m234lL.png)

:sabu

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What kind of idiot saves porn in the "My Pictures" folder anyway? Hide your lewds, son
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Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Reb on July 30, 2015, 04:43:09 PM
Who the fuck saves porn pictures?
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: thisismyusername on July 30, 2015, 05:34:35 PM
:hans1

 :hans1

The ad tracking and keeping your wifi password is the major issues. The keeping Windows Defender (built-in virus tracking, which granted... has been lagging behind third parties) isn't a huge deal since that is more "protecting stupid customers" reasoning.

Also TL;DR on that shit, at least make the image less compressed if you want me to wade through all that shit, nicca.

Cortana seems neat, but I don't really see the need to have such functionality on your PC when the same stuff is on your phone.

It's because they're unifying Windows 10 across all hardware. So if you get a Windows phone (:ufup if you do) Cortana and your data there is there for it.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Rufus on July 30, 2015, 06:18:48 PM
Also TL;DR on that shit, at least make the image less compressed if you want me to wade through all that shit, nicca.
Tell whatever /g/-tard I assume made this.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Barraco Barner on July 30, 2015, 10:18:29 PM
I've been using the Windows 10 preview since last October on my main desktop. No probs that I noticed, but the only games I played were Ground Zeroes and GTA V.

Good riddance Win8 you piece of shit
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Take My Breh Away on July 31, 2015, 04:40:18 AM
The only game I've tried so far that has had a notable performance boost is Project CARS which got a pretty big performance boost and I was able to jack up the settings a bit more without a hit.

GTA V seems to run worse though. Used to hover around 40-70 FPS but seems to shit itself randomly to 20-30FPS. Might be an AMD related bug though since I had the same problem in Project CARS where the GPU suddenly dropped in usage and the game dropped to 30FPS on certain sections of the track.

Xbone streaming is working great tho'
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Rufus on July 31, 2015, 04:55:12 AM
Found out about this (cc:sarslip):
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

Got my ISO ready. Will wait once I get my SSD to install.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 31, 2015, 10:10:48 AM
Who the fuck saves porn pictures?

I learnt my lesson when I forgot to save once and then your mom took them down. 
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: pilonv1 on July 31, 2015, 10:58:59 PM
My first attempt last night worked. Or so it seems, everything was fine except the start menu wouldn't work.

So I've rolled back and am trying again
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Kara on July 31, 2015, 11:45:23 PM
Who the fuck saves porn pictures?

Amateur, bruv.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: chronovore on August 01, 2015, 01:26:37 AM

Who the fuck saves porn pictures?

Amateur, bruv.
:expert
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on August 01, 2015, 04:13:45 AM
windows. don't talk to me about windows.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: MCD on August 01, 2015, 09:24:50 AM
upgraded from 8.1 to 10. everything working great on my new rig.

ff13 and 13-2 had a controller problem but fixed already: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1086306
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Huff on August 01, 2015, 10:06:13 AM
Was going to update, but I just figured out how to get remote access for work on my home computer and I can almost guarantee my hospital is not prepared for this. 
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: chronovore on August 04, 2015, 12:49:29 AM
http://imgur.com/gallery/8OJ4t

Anyone know if this is legitimate?
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: archnemesis on August 04, 2015, 12:55:36 AM
http://imgur.com/gallery/8OJ4t

Anyone know if this is legitimate?
That seems likely. You don't get a serial key sent to you so it's probably an OEM version tied to the motherboard.

If it's not then you can find the key in the registry and use it together with a downloaded ISO.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: nachobro on August 04, 2015, 01:17:02 AM
Yeah it'll probably be tied to the motherboard. RAM and GPU changing won't prompt you for a new key.

Usually if it prompts you after a hardware change you can just call the MS automated line and it'll give you a validation code. That's what I've done and it works every time.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Himu on August 04, 2015, 02:25:32 AM
One thing I don't like about windows 10 is the start menu. I mean, I'm glad there's a start menu, but why is it not customizable? It has all this shit I don't want on it, like these hot tip links and stuff and disk cleanup stuff, when I want a quick access to my most used programs right there like with other start screens. I also don't like the scroll down list of installed programs. I want it old Windows style. I think the third party start menu I had for 8.1 is much better than 10's default.

Basically:

MS I want this.

(http://i.imgur.com/JOqNQJu.jpg)

See how there are PROGRAM PEOPLE USE THERE?

Not this.

(http://i.imgur.com/7HmsFho.png)

I took those default things like Alarms and Sticky Notes no one cares about and now it's just blank. Where are my use most used programs MS?
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Reb on August 04, 2015, 04:39:30 AM
When you use programs, they show up in pretty much the same place as Win7 (upper left, moving down).
You have the opportunity to make little tiles out of them for quick access.

Basically you can now add unlimited shortcuts to the start menu in stead of the 10 Win7 limits you to.
If you make tiny tiles out of them, you can add a shitload in the same amount of space Win7 uses.

Really, if you are this inflexible in your use of a system, you shouldn't upgrade. Or at least do some basic research.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: D3RANG3D on August 04, 2015, 08:37:57 AM
One thing I don't like about windows 10 is the start menu. I mean, I'm glad there's a start menu, but why is it not customizable? It has all this shit I don't want on it, like these hot tip links and stuff and disk cleanup stuff, when I want a quick access to my most used programs right there like with other start screens. I also don't like the scroll down list of installed programs. I want it old Windows style. I think the third party start menu I had for 8.1 is much better than 10's default.

Basically:

MS I want this.

(http://i.imgur.com/JOqNQJu.jpg)

See how there are PROGRAM PEOPLE USE THERE?

Not this.

(http://i.imgur.com/7HmsFho.png)

I took those default things like Alarms and Sticky Notes no one cares about and now it's just blank. Where are my use most used programs MS?

(http://i.imgur.com/cirFgHd.png)
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: thisismyusername on August 04, 2015, 09:09:08 AM
.

That doesn't exactly give her what she wants.

https://www.stardock.com/products/start10/
http://www.classicshell.net/

Honestly, after uninstalling Classic Shell, I've gotten used to the start menu of 10. The only thing I've got to complain about is that the "all apps"/program menu is WORSE than 8's Metro menu and should go back to 9x/7's drill-down menu.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: D3RANG3D on August 04, 2015, 09:11:57 AM
.

That doesn't exactly give her what she wants.

https://www.stardock.com/products/start10/
http://www.classicshell.net/

Honestly, after uninstalling Classic Shell, I've gotten used to the start menu of 10. The only thing I've got to complain about is that the "all apps"/program menu is WORSE than 8's Metro menu and should go back to 9x/7's drill-down menu.

Well it doesn't totally give her everything she wants but she can set it to show her most used programs etc., but yeah the show all apps thing is kinda flabbynsick.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Himu on August 04, 2015, 11:12:03 AM
All of that is on. Still getting black start menu.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: D3RANG3D on August 04, 2015, 11:13:34 AM
All of that is on. Still getting black start menu.

Had that happen to me too, turn it on then off, that fixed it for me.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Or maybe it didn't it just shows random programs, not the shit I usually use... :snoop
[close]

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I don't know I pin all my useful programs to my taskbar.  :yeshrug
[close]

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It doesn't excuse the menus short coming though.  :sabu
[close]
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 04, 2015, 11:23:30 AM
Still haven't gotten my notification to update yet. :maf
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: D3RANG3D on August 04, 2015, 11:26:23 AM
Still haven't gotten my notification to update yet. :maf

Use the tool breh.

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Himu on August 04, 2015, 11:31:14 AM
All of that is on. Still getting black start menu.

Had that happen to me too, turn it on then off, that fixed it for me.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Or maybe it didn't it just shows random programs, not the shit I usually use... :snoop
[close]

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I don't know I pin all my useful programs to my taskbar.  :yeshrug
[close]

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It doesn't excuse the menus short coming though.  :sabu
[close]

I fucking told you. The new start menu is ass, which is funny because it was the most requested feature.  Classic shell was better than this, and more customizable too.

Really, if you are this inflexible in your use of a system, you shouldn't upgrade. Or at least do some basic research.

:comeon
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: D3RANG3D on August 04, 2015, 11:32:03 AM
All of that is on. Still getting black start menu.

Had that happen to me too, turn it on then off, that fixed it for me.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Or maybe it didn't it just shows random programs, not the shit I usually use... :snoop
[close]

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I don't know I pin all my useful programs to my taskbar.  :yeshrug
[close]

spoiler (click to show/hide)
It doesn't excuse the menus short coming though.  :sabu
[close]

I fucking told you. The new start menu is ass. Classic shell was better than this, and more customizable too.

Really, if you are this inflexible in your use of a system, you shouldn't upgrade. Or at least do some basic research.

:comeon

Metro is looking great right about now.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Himu on August 04, 2015, 11:34:09 AM
Go to P on "All Apps" and try to find Paint. Where's Paint? :what

But apparently I'm inflexible with the system!
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: thisismyusername on August 04, 2015, 11:51:49 AM
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I don't know I pin all my useful programs to my taskbar.  :yeshrug
[close]

:comeon

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Start->Program/All Apps->Program->Right Click->Pin to Start/Live Tile.
[close]
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: D3RANG3D on August 04, 2015, 11:53:21 AM
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I don't know I pin all my useful programs to my taskbar.  :yeshrug
[close]

:comeon

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Start->Program/All Apps->Program->Right Click->Pin to Start/Live Tile.
[close]

:comeon
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: thisismyusername on August 04, 2015, 11:58:48 AM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
I don't know I pin all my useful programs to my taskbar.  :yeshrug
[close]

:comeon

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Start->Program/All Apps->Program->Right Click->Pin to Start/Live Tile.
[close]

:comeon

Oh, misread TASKBAR.

Well, same process but on right-click select "task bar"
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Himu on August 04, 2015, 12:25:32 PM
DL Start10 guys.

https://www.stardock.com/products/start10/
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Reb on August 04, 2015, 01:54:38 PM
Go to P on "All Apps" and try to find Paint. Where's Paint? :what

But apparently I'm inflexible with the system!

You're being a dummy.

(http://i.imgur.com/vIvH6b8.png)

40 programs, plus most used, all one click away.
Taking up roughly the space of the regular win7 start menu.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Tasty on August 04, 2015, 02:06:31 PM
What's with that random tile layout, lol. So messy.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Himu on August 04, 2015, 02:17:45 PM
Go to P on "All Apps" and try to find Paint. Where's Paint? :what

But apparently I'm inflexible with the system!

You're being a dummy.

(http://i.imgur.com/vIvH6b8.png)

40 programs, plus most used, all one click away.
Taking up roughly the space of the regular win7 start menu.

It's still doesn't do what I want it to do, friend.

I generally only have trash can on my desktop. I also only have browser and windows file explorer pinned on my taskbar.

So I generally use start menu to get my most used programs readily accessible. For example, when Steam is not on and I want it on. All I have to do is go to Start, look at the most recently used programs and click Steam. If I need to use Photoshop - and I use it often for work - I do the same. Despite having opened and closed Steam and PS multiple times while on Windows 10, NEITHER have shown up on my Most Used section of my Start menu or on my start menu period. I shouldn't have to add shit. It's been like this going as far back as 98 I think? In any case, I've been using Windows like this since 98. I honestly shouldn't have to pin a single thing. Not only that, but I simply do not like the visual aesthetic of that cluttered start menu. It looks like shit, mate.

Windows 10 Start menu is ass unless you want to use it like a Windows phone.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Himu on August 04, 2015, 02:35:08 PM
Installed Classic Shell. Didn't know there was a W10 version. Ahhh, much better.

(http://i.imgur.com/vF6MRqA.png)

When I use a program, it pops up in my most recently used programs without having to scroll. Wow, amazing.

And actually customizable, wow who woulda thought.

(http://media.askvg.com/articles/images4/Apply_Windows_7_Skin_Classic_Shell_Start_Menu.png)

(http://cache.filehippo.com/img/ex/3069__classic_shell1.png)
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: D3RANG3D on August 04, 2015, 04:34:16 PM
I'm using Classic Shell right now, but now my win 10 apps don't show up, and my recent/most used apps list is still fucked.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Tasty on August 04, 2015, 05:40:23 PM
Why does W10 still have the Vista-era Aero icons? :mindblown
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Himu on August 04, 2015, 05:41:22 PM
I don't know.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Tasty on August 04, 2015, 06:07:56 PM
Christ, Microsoft. As far as I am from an Apple stanly, at least Yosemite got new icons when they changed the theme. :lol
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: D3RANG3D on August 05, 2015, 01:52:22 PM
Microsoft Edge doesn't work now.  :heh

Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Tasty on August 05, 2015, 02:57:12 PM
Microsoft Edge doesn't work now.  :heh

Wait what :lol
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: D3RANG3D on August 05, 2015, 08:27:00 PM
Microsoft Edge doesn't work now.  :heh

Wait what :lol

Microsoft Edge is the new IE.

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IE is still in though...
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Had to open powershell and force it to reinstall the app.  :mindblown
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It broke my bookmarks.  :kobeyuck
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It lives up to it's name Edge™  :shaq
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Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Himu on August 05, 2015, 08:29:35 PM
Computer kept freezing when it went to sleep ???
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: toku on August 05, 2015, 08:31:19 PM
win10 alright so far
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Himu on August 05, 2015, 08:53:48 PM
Just opened up computer with its screen saver active and it's frozen ???
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: D3RANG3D on August 05, 2015, 09:49:34 PM
I went back to the default start menu after running into a bunch of issues with a few start replacers.  :larry
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Himu on August 05, 2015, 09:50:02 PM
Same
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: thisismyusername on August 06, 2015, 12:18:19 AM
To be fair, Windows 10 has only been "out" for like... a week? I dunno if that's enough time for Start10/Classic Shell to update/fix everything that Windows probably broke for them.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 06, 2015, 01:09:43 AM
Well this fucked up my computer real bad. Should have just stayed with Windows 7.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: archnemesis on August 06, 2015, 01:14:54 AM
Do a clean installation instead of sticking with an old outdated OS.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Tasty on August 06, 2015, 01:48:27 AM
WTF Edge, you were supposed to save us web developers from the tyrony of IE.

(http://nerdreactor.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/you-were-the-chosen-one.jpg)
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: thisismyusername on August 06, 2015, 02:01:49 AM
?

W3C standards broke out of the gate? ACID test failed?
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Tasty on August 06, 2015, 02:30:27 AM
?

W3C standards broke out of the gate? ACID test failed?

Microsoft Edge doesn't work now.  :heh

Wait what :lol

Microsoft Edge is the new IE.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
IE is still in though...
[close]

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Had to open powershell and force it to reinstall the app.  :mindblown
[close]

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It broke my bookmarks.  :kobeyuck
[close]

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It lives up to it's name Edge™  :shaq
[close]

???
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: thisismyusername on August 06, 2015, 02:42:29 AM
Oh, pfft. I doubt Edge will break for most people to where they have to Powershell install it.

Besides, Microsoft is phoning home everyone nearly, you can uninstall some shit but if it's "required" in Microsofts eyes they'll reinstall it. (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=174184893&postcount=160)

Worst case scenario? Edge isn't installed for a few days. Then it pops up. Meanwhile, clueless users will wonder where the "Blue E/the internet" is. Problems on Microsoft's end to change that perception from Internet Explorer being "the Internet" to Edges.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: toku on August 06, 2015, 07:14:53 AM
taskbar not transparent even though its set to transparent  :-\
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Rufus on August 06, 2015, 08:09:41 AM
It was my turn today. I planned to wait until I got an SSD to do a clean install, but since you have to upgrade first to register your system config with MS I might as well upgrade now. Let's see how this goes...

The fucking thing keeps failing, then I have to clear the old files using disk cleanup, only for it to fail again. The ISO fails too, fucking hell. -_-

Turns out an earlier update corrupted some system files:
http://thetechcookbook.com/windows-7-update-kb3022345-causing-corrupt-files/

God, I hate desktop maintenance so fucking much.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Brehvolution on August 06, 2015, 09:55:44 AM
I plan on upgrading when games start using dx12 and not before then.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Rufus on August 06, 2015, 02:46:51 PM
Finally done. :stahp

Looks OK so far. Not feeling the design at all, but I'm sure I'll get used to it. No issues so far either.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: D3RANG3D on August 06, 2015, 02:49:12 PM
Startisback is pretty slick! :noah

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Paying for it though :larry
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Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Yeti on August 06, 2015, 10:30:22 PM
I don't care for Microsoft Edge, I can't figure out how to display the menu bar, or how to customize the favorites pane so it is on the left side and there isn't so much spacing between links.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: OnlyRegret on August 07, 2015, 03:10:52 AM
Browsers are finicky.
Edge is promising but got some Euro-Jank going on. Firefox just turned into an uncooperative turd.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Tasty on August 07, 2015, 09:18:36 AM
Chrome inherits the earth :rejoice
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Himu on August 07, 2015, 11:21:48 AM
chrome is cancer, use firefox
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on August 07, 2015, 11:26:41 AM
Edge is pretty hot. I like it. May switch.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Tasty on August 07, 2015, 11:56:51 AM
chrome is cancer, use firefox

:expert

(http://i.imgur.com/6mi4aBf.png)
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: D3RANG3D on August 07, 2015, 12:21:27 PM
Chrome  :pacspit

Opera  :yeshrug

Firefox  :larry

Cyberfox/Waterfox/Palemoon  :rejoice
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Himu on August 07, 2015, 12:41:41 PM
So Firefox is a real life browser version of Eevee?
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: D3RANG3D on August 07, 2015, 12:44:10 PM
So Firefox is a real life browser version of Eevee?

Yes
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Himu on August 07, 2015, 12:45:34 PM
what are cyberfox/waterfox/palemoon
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: D3RANG3D on August 07, 2015, 12:50:52 PM
what are cyberfox/waterfox/palemoon

Cyber and Water are 64bit Firefox, Palemoon is Firefox Lite, that stubbornly refuses to use that shitty Australis interface, it's also 64bit to put it plainly these just run a hell of a lot better than vanilla Firefox.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Himu on August 07, 2015, 12:51:43 PM
there's a 64 bit FF?
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: D3RANG3D on August 07, 2015, 12:52:39 PM
there's a 64 bit FF?

I think there is a beta for 64bit FF, The developer version is also 64bit.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: toku on August 07, 2015, 12:55:42 PM
I've been so conditioned to love Chrome it's hard to break away but in those few weeks I do every few months, I use waterfox.
https://www.waterfoxproject.org/
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Himu on August 07, 2015, 01:07:13 PM
Firefox is Pokemon browser

the superior browser :rejoice
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Tasty on August 07, 2015, 01:42:48 PM
Chrome is literally a Pokeball tho
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: MCD on August 08, 2015, 11:22:30 AM
Edge is pretty hot. I like it. May switch.

I'm currently using it. It's fine but need more options (ie why can't I pick my default download location? why can't I manage my bookmarks instead of importing only? etc), and extensions. Some sites are ultra slow due to excessive ADs like Mangastream.

With old IE, I can at least use Tracking Protection List. Here you only have that blocking host trick and that may slow down my system since it affects everything not just the bowser.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: MCD on August 08, 2015, 11:26:59 AM
the new start menu is perfectly fine for desktop. no need to use shitty third party apps.

not feeling it on touch though. I've had trouble using my dell venue pro 8 the other day. 8.1 was better imo overall for touch devices.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Big Hoops on August 08, 2015, 11:53:25 PM
What the hell is GROOVE MUSIC?  :yuck
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: D3RANG3D on August 09, 2015, 12:10:37 AM
the new start menu is perfectly fine for desktop. no need to use shitty third party apps.

not feeling it on touch though. I've had trouble using my dell venue pro 8 the other day. 8.1 was better imo overall for touch devices.

Nah vanilla start is pretty trash, it makes me yearn for metro.  :heh
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: thisismyusername on August 09, 2015, 12:43:35 AM
the new start menu is perfectly fine for desktop. no need to use shitty third party apps.

Not when it's hiding applications you install, no. I don't have all the folders I had in Classic Shells start menu, for instance. Paint and Task Manager are buried under Windows Accessories, my most used programs aren't listed on Start but other programs that I haven't ever used.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: pilonv1 on August 09, 2015, 01:12:42 AM
re: Paint, first thing I did was right click -> pin to start. Problem solved there

Now I do miss having my commonly used programs (like Excel) in the start menu with the arrow to select my recently used files. Can't see how to do that now.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: D3RANG3D on August 09, 2015, 04:29:48 PM
the new start menu is perfectly fine for desktop. no need to use shitty third party apps.

Not when it's hiding applications you install, no. I don't have all the folders I had in Classic Shells start menu, for instance. Paint and Task Manager are buried under Windows Accessories, my most used programs aren't listed on Start but other programs that I haven't ever used.

I ran into that problem with Classic shell, that and it not showing my Metro apps. So far the only ones that work right are:

Startisback++
Startmenu X
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Himu on August 13, 2015, 11:45:49 PM
Every time I reboot or start up from shut down, and I try to play a game, it doesn't recognize my controller and I have to reinstall xinput. Help ???
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: thisismyusername on August 14, 2015, 12:32:28 AM
Every time I reboot or start up from shut down, and I try to play a game, it doesn't recognize my controller and I have to reinstall xinput. Help ???

Uninstall Xinput completely.

Reboot.

Plug-in 360 controller. It should install a new 360 controller driver. If it's still doing that, look into the Xinput wrapper I guess and see if that stomps the problem out.

re: Paint, first thing I did was right click -> pin to start. Problem solved there

That's a round-about/circling around the problem. Yes, that works. No, that doesn't solve the fact that MS continues to bury shit that wasn't buried before.

the new start menu is perfectly fine for desktop. no need to use shitty third party apps.

Not when it's hiding applications you install, no. I don't have all the folders I had in Classic Shells start menu, for instance. Paint and Task Manager are buried under Windows Accessories, my most used programs aren't listed on Start but other programs that I haven't ever used.

I ran into that problem with Classic shell, that and it not showing my Metro apps. So far the only ones that work right are:

Startisback++
Startmenu X

AFAIK it happened when I uninstalled Classic Shell, so yeah it may be a problem. But I think reopening applications eventually will repopulate it. It's a weird bug since I wish I could just pin programs to that side instead of the Metro side of the menu.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Himu on August 14, 2015, 12:47:25 AM
Huh? I AM using the xinput wrapper.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: D3RANG3D on August 14, 2015, 01:10:26 AM
Huh? I AM using the xinput wrapper.

Go to devices and printers in the control panel right click and remove your controller, I am assuming you are using a 360 controller install the xbox 360 controller drivers from Microsoft's website.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Himu on August 14, 2015, 01:16:14 AM
No I'm using ps3.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: D3RANG3D on August 14, 2015, 01:21:33 AM
No I'm using ps3.

http://pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Controller:DualShock_3
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Himu on August 14, 2015, 01:25:54 AM
On 8, all I did was install ms 360 driver and then xinput wrapper and was good to go. Could even get wireless with the bluetooth adapter I made. On W10, it works plugged doing the same steps that are on that site you linked, and then when I reboot, the controller cannot be recognized and I need to uninstall wrapper and reinstall to use it again.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: D3RANG3D on August 14, 2015, 03:23:09 AM
On 8, all I did was install ms 360 driver and then xinput wrapper and was good to go. Could even get wireless with the bluetooth adapter I made. On W10, it works plugged doing the same steps that are on that site you linked, and then when I reboot, the controller cannot be recognized and I need to uninstall wrapper and reinstall to use it again.

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/1/541907675758873662/

Maybe this will work, I tried asking Gaf but got ignored so far.

Edit

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=175387854&postcount=5370

Truth be told, all these solutions, I read up on one said to disable dns and manually type in your IP address because apparently that can somehow fuck with the wrapper, the other is in the above link to disable driver signing sound pretty sketchy to me.



Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: thisismyusername on August 16, 2015, 11:28:24 PM
I'm having the same problem, Himu. I dunno what caused it (an update for Windows?) but here's a solution even if it's annoying to do:

If you still have the wrapper download, go into it's folder. The SCPServer will find your plugged in controller and allow you to use it in applications as if nothing happened. You'll need to leave that running (so put it in another virtual desktop if it bothers you for window clutter) but that should help you even if it's a "work around" that isn't a perma solution to the problem.

Speaking of things: I just opened Glasswire for the first time since upgrading and "Search and Cortana application" was connecting to "any.edge.bing.com." So much for telling Cortana "no, I don't want you snooping through my shit and reporting to Microsoft."  ::)
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Himu on August 16, 2015, 11:39:06 PM
Huh? Virtual desktop? And go to the SCPServer.exe that installs the wrapper to begin with? Just leave it on?
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: thisismyusername on August 16, 2015, 11:47:26 PM
Huh? Virtual desktop?

Sorry, *NIX term (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_desktop). "Task View" is what Windows 10 calls it. You click that and it'll show your windows with a "+" for a new "Virtual Desktop" that basically allows you to put certain programs in certain "Desktops" to unclutter your desktop.

Quote
And go to the SCPServer.exe that installs the wrapper to begin with? Just leave it on?

The wrapper installs with SCPdriver.exe

SCPServer.exe will pop-open a window with some technical stuff that you don't really need to worry about. So long as that is "open"/executed your DS3 will work as it did previously. Why you need that on when the wrapper was working before whatever update broke it, I dunno.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Himu on August 16, 2015, 11:50:33 PM
Yeah  I don't get it. I hope there's a fix soon. Thank you.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: thisismyusername on August 16, 2015, 11:54:42 PM
:beli

Nevermind.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Himu on August 16, 2015, 11:55:20 PM
Huh? I understand what to do. I said "I don't get it" in reference to why this is fucking up like this despite apparently working after initially installing.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: thisismyusername on August 16, 2015, 11:57:45 PM
Oh. :-\ My bad. I misread then.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Himu on August 17, 2015, 12:30:08 AM
http://techcrunch.com/2015/08/16/microsoft-drops-another-windows-10-update/

:mindblown
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: nachobro on August 17, 2015, 12:50:48 AM
Upgraded from 8.1 a few days ago so I could do the game streaming from Xbone. Seems pretty good. I like the new start menu. Doesn't seem to start up or run noticeably faster than 8.1.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: brawndolicious on August 17, 2015, 03:33:13 PM
I got hella lag when I tried the game streaming feature (I'd guess 200ms), it's playable for certain games but not shooters/racers.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: nachobro on August 17, 2015, 05:04:58 PM
Oh that's a bummer. Well I'll give it a shot and see how it feels. If it sucks, at least the update was free.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Rufus on August 22, 2015, 09:56:26 AM
I really don't like how opaque and seemingly random the update process is. My screen just went black and I briefly thought my monitor broke, but no, it was just an update to my display driver. I noticed my harddrive being taxed even after this and it turns out Windows Defender was doing a definitions update.

How about a warning at the very least?
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: chronovore on January 30, 2016, 05:18:23 PM
15GB of space on OneDrive will need to be claimed if you want it:
http://www.winbeta.org/news/dont-forget-claim-free-onedrive-storage-weekend-lose-forever

Also, OT, I upgraded my lame-ass Gateway PC to Win10 and it is operating much more speedily than its previous Win7 self. Color me stunned.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: VomKriege on February 14, 2016, 02:25:28 AM
Upgraded the missus computer since Windows 8.1 decided suddenly that her account was broken and could only operate on temp files (apparently a common issue) only for the wifi card to not work anymore... Turns out I just had to update the driver but I'm a bit baffled that it's not an automatic checkbox to upgrade it along with the OS when it's the very same connection used to do all the updating stuff even though it's not the same manufacturer...

Otherwise the layout is a step up from the horrific 8 stuff.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: chronovore on February 14, 2016, 04:54:20 PM
Isn't there a warning dialog which shows in the desktop, but not in the opened, fullscreen game client?
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Rufus on February 14, 2016, 04:58:45 PM
The only time I notice that an update has been downloaded or already installed is on shutdown on boot. I've yet to spot something that informs me of an update in progress.

I should probably look more closely for an option to surface the process. I've found less than a handful of user configurable options that have anything to do with update. :doge
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: chronovore on February 14, 2016, 06:00:29 PM
I guess I mean even those 120-second countdown warning dialogs, which may not draw focus if you're in a different fullscreen app.

I remember working in Win NT and coming back from lunch to find that my PC had rebooted itself for an update. The few times I'd forgotten to save before leaving the workstation were... troubling.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Rufus on February 15, 2016, 03:02:16 AM
Nope. It just let's you know when an update was applied. It's entirely oblique otherwise. Doesn't steal focus, nag you to restart (or postpone it), nothing. The latter is a definite improvement.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: archnemesis on February 15, 2016, 03:38:22 AM
With the new improvements it only takes 20-25 seconds to boot up my computer so I've gotten into the habit of turning off my computer every night. Most updates will install in the background when you shut down the operating system.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: bork on March 06, 2016, 10:23:17 PM
Waited long enough and just upgraded my laptop to Win 10.  Very impressed at how quickly it all went and I haven't had a single issue.   :o

I think I may keep my Asus Chi on 8.1 though.  Part of the reason I got it is because the T100HA I got with Win 10 last year ran like butt.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: brawndolicious on March 06, 2016, 11:22:59 PM
That's odd. Windows 10 seemed to be less of a resource hog than 7 and 8.

Also this seems to be a good place to ask but what's a good Windows computer for doing art stuff? I assume it needs one of those wacom/n-trig active stylus things but I don't know what else to look for. It needs to also be a good laptop for 90% of its usage.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: bork on March 07, 2016, 12:19:10 AM
Perhaps I spoke to soon.  I started having issues with my Internet connection dropping every 20-30 minutes.  :-\  Tried updating the drivers and also unchecked the option to turn off the wifi and ethernet drivers to "save power" under the device manager settings.  Hope that does it.  Also have an issue with an old G-Drive going to sleep and waking up too often.  Had this same problem on Win 7 and 8 but the fix used for those isn't working. 

That's odd. Windows 10 seemed to be less of a resource hog than 7 and 8.

I'm sure a good part of it was the tablet just not being optimized well to work with it, but I've used four ASUS Windows tablets since they started putting them out, and only the Win 10 model one ran like shit.  Slow to start up, applications took too long to start going, etc.  Blazing fast with Windows 8.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Reb on March 07, 2016, 01:52:48 AM
My T100 runs great with Windows 10!
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: bork on March 07, 2016, 09:56:08 AM
My T100 runs great with Windows 10!

You upgraded or bought an HA?
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Reb on March 07, 2016, 10:43:49 AM
I don't know what a HA is, but I ran the Insider Preview and then upgraded when Windows 10 came out.
At some point I had to quit the Insider Program and revert to a stable version because it was giving me too much trouble.
But since then everything works fine.

I use it for work, browsing, some Netflix.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: bork on March 07, 2016, 10:49:56 AM
HA is the newest model that came out last year.  Has an aluminum body (although the keyboard is plastic), 4GB of RAM, and Win 10. 

I got this model and found it performed significantly worse than the T100 I got in 2013.  Slow to boot up, slow for apps to open, etc.  The speakers also sucked and the keyboard was made of very flimsy plastic.  So I returned it and tried the T100 Chi, which is the premium model-- all metal, thinner and lighter, has a 1920x1200 screen, etc.  The speakers STILL aren't as good as the original T100, but it's a nice little upgrade.  I'm interested in upgrading it to Windows 10 but my experience with it on the T100HA really soured me.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Beezy on March 07, 2016, 11:54:16 PM
Why did my PC just upgrade from W7 to W10 without me telling it to? I'm so annoyed and confused right now... :doge

Edit: Nvm, switching back was quick and easy.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: chronovore on March 08, 2016, 01:05:40 AM
Why did my PC just upgrade from W7 to W10 without me telling it to? I'm so annoyed and confused right now... :doge

I don't think it can do that. Does anyone else have access to your computer? I signed up my wife's PC for the upgrade, but I still had to actually initiate the install on my own.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: pilonv1 on March 08, 2016, 06:00:47 AM
Got the spinning white circle of death on startup last night. Had to roll back to the previous version ::)
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 08, 2016, 01:22:50 PM
Updated my work machine to W10, and now I can't get to Google. Chrome is completely borked and I can't navigate to Google in MS Edge. Flushed my DNS, reinstalled Chrome, still screwed. Thanks Microsoft.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Rufus on March 08, 2016, 03:05:12 PM
For once, early adopters seem to have a better experience. :win
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: fistfulofmetal on March 08, 2016, 03:42:15 PM
Yes, Windows 10 is now considered a "recommended" update and will automatically go through if you do Windows Updates.

Which you should, because there's no reason not to update to Win10
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Bebpo on March 09, 2016, 01:42:37 PM
Yes, Windows 10 is now considered a "recommended" update and will automatically go through if you do Windows Updates.

Which you should, because there's no reason not to update to Win10

Fuck my computer just did this.  Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

I hold off on upgrading to new operating systems for a few years because I play a lot of games from all generations, so some times I'll play dosbox stuff from the 90s, or mods from early 00s and sometimes new operating systems break old games compatibility because no one cares.

Do we know if GoG games work on W10?
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Rufus on March 09, 2016, 01:45:59 PM
They do. I think they've announced support not long after the free upgrade became available.

Fake edit:
https://www.gog.com/news/news_getting_ready_for_windows_10
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Reb on March 09, 2016, 02:26:04 PM
Jup, I played Theme Hospital on win10.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: archnemesis on March 09, 2016, 02:33:38 PM
Most GOG games work, but there are exceptions. Deadlock 2: Shrine Wars is currently incompatible with Win 10. It's supposed to work fine on Win 7.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: chronovore on March 09, 2016, 09:16:41 PM
Most GOG games work, but there are exceptions. Deadlock 2: Shrine Wars is currently incompatible with Win 10. It's supposed to work fine on Win 7.

Holy shit, a Deadlock player? My god, The Bore never ceased to provide...
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: VomKriege on March 16, 2016, 06:30:30 PM
So W10 decided my account was corrupted and was only willing to log me in on a "temporary profile". Which is funny because the same thing happened less than 90 days ago to my wife account and that was the reason I updated her computer to W10.

Hopefully this time round it was a simple fix : uninstalling Avira did the job. I won't miss it because I found it cumbersome to use, but apparently antiviruses have a tendency to freak out Windows Defender and the OS which is... yeah.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on March 16, 2016, 06:38:15 PM
Why did my PC just upgrade from W7 to W10 without me telling it to? I'm so annoyed and confused right now... :doge

I don't think it can do that. Does anyone else have access to your computer? I signed up my wife's PC for the upgrade, but I still had to actually initiate the install on my own.

Looking at this (http://www.infoworld.com/article/3043526/microsoft-windows/microsoft-upgraded-users-to-windows-10-without-their-ok.html), that does seem to be the case lately. I downloaded that GWX control panel thing to keep my computer from updating for now.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: chronovore on March 17, 2016, 12:34:06 AM
Why did my PC just upgrade from W7 to W10 without me telling it to? I'm so annoyed and confused right now... :doge

I don't think it can do that. Does anyone else have access to your computer? I signed up my wife's PC for the upgrade, but I still had to actually initiate the install on my own.

Looking at this (http://www.infoworld.com/article/3043526/microsoft-windows/microsoft-upgraded-users-to-windows-10-without-their-ok.html), that does seem to be the case lately. I downloaded that GWX control panel thing to keep my computer from updating for now.

Yeah, I saw this cropping up all over and meant to come back and update the thread. Wow. What a strange decision for MS to make. There are plenty of cases where corporate clients' productivity and operability could be screwed by this. Just... Wow.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 30, 2016, 06:35:31 PM
http://www.theverge.com/2016/3/30/11331014/microsoft-windows-linux-ubuntu-bash

Holy shit.  Will upgrade when this hits.

This means I should just be able to set up pycharm to ssh into my schools servers directly in windows.   :aah
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: D3RANG3D on March 30, 2016, 06:42:48 PM
It's a conspiracy to lock down computing breh.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 30, 2016, 06:52:32 PM
Holy shit apt-get works WTF is this magic? 
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: D3RANG3D on March 30, 2016, 09:39:07 PM
Holy shit apt-get works WTF is this magic?

https://chocolatey.org
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: thisismyusername on March 30, 2016, 09:44:59 PM
http://www.theverge.com/2016/3/30/11331014/microsoft-windows-linux-ubuntu-bash

Holy shit.  Will upgrade when this hits.

This means I should just be able to set up pycharm to ssh into my schools servers directly in windows.   :aah

Can't you get it in the preview right now?
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: D3RANG3D on March 31, 2016, 12:19:07 AM
http://www.hanselman.com/blog/DevelopersCanRunBashShellAndUsermodeUbuntuLinuxBinariesOnWindows10.aspx
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: thisismyusername on March 31, 2016, 01:16:38 AM
http://www.hanselman.com/blog/DevelopersCanRunBashShellAndUsermodeUbuntuLinuxBinariesOnWindows10.aspx

Additionally:

https://blogs.windows.com/buildingapps/2016/03/30/run-bash-on-ubuntu-on-windows/

Build for the preview insiders should be out now or sometime this weekend with it in it. I guess I should re-estasblish myself as an insider to get it.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Brehvolution on April 01, 2016, 03:10:36 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ce2Du0UVIAA6nwU.jpg:large)
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: chronovore on May 25, 2016, 11:00:33 AM
Remember my enthusiasm? It has passed.

My PC's Start Menu has disappeared. Now I'm running DISM inside of PowerShell, and it has been stopped at 20% for the last 10 minutes.

Anyone else run into this problem? Apparently it's pretty common.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 25, 2016, 11:19:56 AM
Got home from work yesterday and noticed my computer downloaded w10. I didn't ask for this.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: fistfulofmetal on May 25, 2016, 11:26:53 AM
Got home from work yesterday and noticed my computer downloaded w10. I didn't ask for this.

you probably indirectly did.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: archnemesis on May 25, 2016, 11:43:08 AM
It's an automatic recommended update. Avoiding it requires an effort.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: D3RANG3D on May 25, 2016, 02:15:41 PM
Remember my enthusiasm? It has passed.

My PC's Start Menu has disappeared. Now I'm running DISM inside of PowerShell, and it has been stopped at 20% for the last 10 minutes.

Anyone else run into this problem? Apparently it's pretty common.

DISM is slow.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: chronovore on May 25, 2016, 05:14:23 PM
Remember my enthusiasm? It has passed.

My PC's Start Menu has disappeared. Now I'm running DISM inside of PowerShell, and it has been stopped at 20% for the last 10 minutes.

Anyone else run into this problem? Apparently it's pretty common.

DISM is slow.
It is slow. It also didn't work. I did everything here:
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-10/get-help-windows-start-menu

And here (except OS refresh):
http://home.bt.com/tech-gadgets/computing/has-your-windows-10-start-menu-stopped-working-here-are-four-ways-to-fix-it-11364000314532

I didn't refresh, because it will nuke my non-Win10/non-MS apps according to the site, and I would have to figure out how to reinstall stuff I may no longer have easily at hand.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: D3RANG3D on May 25, 2016, 05:29:07 PM
Remember my enthusiasm? It has passed.

My PC's Start Menu has disappeared. Now I'm running DISM inside of PowerShell, and it has been stopped at 20% for the last 10 minutes.

Anyone else run into this problem? Apparently it's pretty common.

DISM is slow.


It is slow. It also didn't work. I did everything here:
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-10/get-help-windows-start-menu

And here (except OS refresh):
http://home.bt.com/tech-gadgets/computing/has-your-windows-10-start-menu-stopped-working-here-are-four-ways-to-fix-it-11364000314532

I didn't refresh, because it will nuke my non-Win10/non-MS apps according to the site, and I would have to figure out how to reinstall stuff I may no longer have easily at hand.

DISM doesn't even work for me anymore, it doesn't even matter even if I mount an ISO of win 10 when it bitches about source files, because the ISO has to be the exact build number that was installed in the first place.  :doge
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: chronovore on May 25, 2016, 06:13:08 PM
It looks like I can use Gateway's recovery partition to nuke the machine back to Win7, erasing all personal data on the machine.

Alternately I can use Microsoft's recovery environment to restore Win10 to its base state, keeping personal data but losing all non-Metro apps.

I can back up data, as Start and Task Bar are unresponsive, but I can still use keyboard shortcuts to summon Explorer windows, Logout, Run apps.

I had been bitching recently about how Apple's quality assurance has tanked in the last year, how many little annoying problems their software has. I guess this problem is showing me who the boss is, as far as technical problem fuckery is concerned.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: chronovore on May 25, 2016, 07:33:55 PM
Despite cold-rebooting and checking after each step to no avail, I rebooted just to see how much I'd need to backup, and everything was working again.

Those errors which are solved but I don't know why they're solved? Those little Swords of Damocles? I hate those so much.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 02, 2016, 08:02:04 PM
how do i turn off the annoying notification sound that happens whenever I play a song
:snoop

W10 is wack.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Rufus on June 02, 2016, 08:32:10 PM
I like W10, or rather, I find little fault with it, but the way they're forcing it onto people now is just scummy. It acts like malware, flat out.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: chronovore on June 02, 2016, 10:36:53 PM
I like W10, or rather, I find little fault with it, but the way they're forcing it onto people now is just scummy. It acts like malware, flat out.
Yes, I agree completely. Win10 actually runs better on my crappy old discount PC, and it's stunningly better UX than Win8. Of course, there are root canal and wisdom teeth procedures which are more pleasant than Win8.

But basically changing its status to a "recommended update" and Trojan-Horsing it in like that, after so many people were saying "no, no, no thanks" is just a shitty move, taking away users' agency in their own environments.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Trent Dole on June 03, 2016, 04:40:08 AM
I have Win 10 on the rig I built earlier this year, think it's swell, but am kind of put off by how much they are pushing it on people. Of course the reason I have Win 10 is cause 8 is a shit show and they're basically abandoning 7 in order to not so gently nudge people into getting 10. :doge
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Tasty on June 03, 2016, 10:53:42 AM
OS X has like a million things that Apple hyped up for each release and then promptly abandoned/forgot about. And they're all in your face. Launchpad, widgets, the notifications sidebar, etc. But they still had time to swap the default system font twice in the last two years.

As least the old cruft in Windows is usually kept in the Control Panel or other oft-unused parts of the system.

There's a spectrum of Linux as far as open source aggressiveness is concerned. Ubuntu caught flack a decade ago for including an MP3 decoder and other proprietary bits of software. (I mean, today they're the ones supplying Windows 10 with its Linux terminal emulation or whatever.) While it's certainly possible to find Stallman-approved distros, I believe the most popular ones are the flavors that kinda shrug and go "meh" at closed-source stuff and include it when it makes things more convenient for the users. Ubuntu and Elementary fall into this bracket, while Fedora is probably the most OSS-compatible you can get (GNU-heads complain that they don't go far enough (http://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.en.html) since they include proprietary firmware so that you don't brick your system on installation. The horror!)

I use Gimp even though I have a Creative Cloud subscription because it's what I learned ages ago and it does the job. Same with Audacity vs. Audition, although I've been learning the latter more since they added kickass features like Remix (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vazD3_RwY_U) which works really, really fucking well. Plus it's two clicks away when I'm working in Premiere. Speaking of, there's really no analog out there for Premiere, even among closed source stuff. Apple really screwed the pooch with Final Cut Pro X.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Tasty on June 03, 2016, 11:45:58 AM
During my time using Fedora a few years ago, I didn't have to use the terminal at all outside of work stuff. The only rough corners you'd likely run into are lamer drivers, potentially.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 04, 2016, 01:04:46 AM
Went to bed last night with my computer running Windows 7. Woke up this morning to it running Windows 10.

Your computer should never just change its OS on you.

The computer revolution will not be an optional update.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: CatsCatsCats on June 04, 2016, 03:37:57 AM
I, for one, welcome the awesome feature of playing my xbox one through my laptop in bed :doge
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 05, 2016, 12:10:19 PM
Went back to Win7 last night, fuck it. My games weren't working well in Win10, and it's not like they're demanding games (Path Of Exile, Wolfenstein ET). And in general I hated having to take time looking for basic shit like My Computer ("This PC" in Win10).

Trash.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Rufus on June 05, 2016, 12:23:32 PM
 :iface
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: benjipwns on June 07, 2016, 12:47:06 PM
I did the upgrade to 10 (from 7) when I got my new mobo+i7 since the key is tied to the mobo and I wanted to do that before it stopped being free. (Although rumor is they're going to extend it.) Not really had any issues, so I'll stay on it.

Praise be actual multi-monitor taskbar support though. (But why can't I put a second clock on the other monitor?!?)

Everything seems to run fine, but then again I did also advance nearly a decade with my processor and RAM. C2D+DDR2 -> i7k + DDR4.

Probably would have stayed for DirectX 12 anyway...
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: benjipwns on June 07, 2016, 12:47:48 PM
My parents also did the upgrade on their desktop (from 8 ) because it had been kludged up from my dad installing random cd burning/virus/firewalls/etc. programs, my mom had finally figured out the Start Screen and now it's back to the Start Menu. :lol
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 07, 2016, 12:56:56 PM
downgraders :neogaf
I would have downgraded from Vista to XP too
 :ufup
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: benjipwns on June 07, 2016, 12:59:30 PM
Vista gets a bad rap because of a shitty launch.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Tasty on June 07, 2016, 01:11:12 PM
Vista gets a bad rap because of a shitty launch.

Agreed. Vista was a clear upgrade from XP in terms of the UI. SP1 took care of the performance issues too.

It annoys me to this day that Vista introduced separate volume controls per app and OS X has yet to add it.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Tasty on June 07, 2016, 01:17:49 PM
Also instead of downgrading y'all should upgrade to Chrome OS. :rejoice

Getting Android apps this year. :preach

Only desktop platform with Snapchat. :shaq

(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkRWAdcW0AABrCY.jpg)
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: benjipwns on June 07, 2016, 01:28:03 PM
 :noooo
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 07, 2016, 01:57:28 PM
don't do it Dufus, I need you on my Win7 squad
:brazilcry
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Tasty on June 07, 2016, 02:05:49 PM
And by the way for you babies that don't know, getting shit done by typing commands i.e. command-line interface, is fukin awesome and allows a great deal of power & flexibility.

Didn't you complain about this last page? :P

Anyways apparently Photoshop CC has a "Gold" rating in Wine (which means it works pretty well.) (https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=29832) Alas, the rest of their suite is mostly "Garbage" rated.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Tasty on June 07, 2016, 02:10:00 PM
This is why I'm pivoting towards Linux. It's ugly as hell, but at least it's open, honest, and straight forward.

(https://elementary.io/images/responsive-images/notebook-medium.png)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-62vlG_CwQic/VRK9jrHmiyI/AAAAAAAAV6k/pvH4_rUSjtE/s1100/gnome316.png)

??? (Elementary OS and Gnome 3)

Tbf Ubuntu looks like poo tho
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: bork on June 07, 2016, 02:11:00 PM
Also instead of downgrading y'all should upgrade to Chrome OS. :rejoice

(http://genheration.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/people-laughing.jpg)(https://news.uci.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/9185442543_813b5a1db1_o.jpg)(http://www.donnahighfill.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/people-laughing.jpg)(http://www.sharewhy.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Man-Woman-Laughing.jpg)
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Tasty on June 07, 2016, 02:15:04 PM
:P

But for real it'll be nice to have Android apps. Full MS Office suit, popular mobile games and ports, etc. Will be pretty nice.

Plus I have the feeling Adobe will port Photoshop to iOS and Android before Linux. :doge
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: benjipwns on June 07, 2016, 02:17:38 PM
(http://www.donnahighfill.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/people-laughing.jpg)

Guy behind them is using Chrome OS.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Tasty on June 07, 2016, 02:18:58 PM
(http://www.donnahighfill.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/people-laughing.jpg)

Guy behind them is using Chrome OS.

Getting shit done unlike the rest of the laughing hipsters.  :pimp
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Tasty on June 07, 2016, 03:55:43 PM
Could not disagree more. Aqua has aged fucking terribly.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/78/Macosxpb.png)

:kobeyuck

Windows Vista/7 Aera does still look pretty good imo.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 07, 2016, 04:06:42 PM
And by the way I don't have much faith in Apple once I saw they also went for that goddamned godawful flat design aesthetic for Mac OS for basically no reason. There's absolutely no reason for Mac OS to look similar to iOS. They're distinct enough that they deserve to look distinct.

'Flat everything' is such a dumb design trend. It looks great on smartphones, okay on tablets... and that's basically it.

Motherfuckers are trying to kill the desktop computer, yo.

the fuck is this
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Tasty on June 07, 2016, 04:12:26 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/jfrkBbP.png)

TIL those things on the right don't look like buttons cause they're not (http://i.imgur.com/TuXhcY3.gif) enough
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Tasty on June 07, 2016, 04:20:15 PM
Sorta regretting not letting you leave rn :ufup
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Kara on June 07, 2016, 08:02:35 PM
I have a device that is actually designed around 8 and I'm on the fence about upgrading away to the hybrid style of 10.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: chronovore on June 07, 2016, 08:51:06 PM
Dufus, I'm sorry if I've got a case of mistaken identity, but haven't you been installing Linux, Windows 7, Windows 10 in rotation for the past couple months? If so, I'm honestly worried you have some sort of compulsive disorder.

Vista gets a bad rap because of a shitty launch.
Yeah, but Windows ME deserves every bit of bile thrown at it.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: chronovore on June 07, 2016, 08:54:40 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/jfrkBbP.png)

TIL those things on the right don't look like buttons cause they're not (http://i.imgur.com/TuXhcY3.gif) enough

To be honest, the damned iOS interface has taken non-3D appearance utterly too far, and there is no visual difference between some header panels and the buttons they parent. It's just absurd.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 07, 2016, 10:00:57 PM
Do you think Android does it any better?
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Tasty on June 07, 2016, 10:14:00 PM
The whole thing with Material Design is that it brings some of the drop-shadows back where it makes sense, e.g. for buttons and floating nav elements.

(https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/800/1*LzHmC4nRFIGmXY1f-4Z0Wg.png)

(https://blog.omgmog.net/images/pEevcJ5.png)

Probably doesn't mean anything coming for me but I dislike the iOS aesthetics. It's far better than when Forstall was crapping things up, but it's too... sparse and "thin." Like, even the default text looks too thin to me, lol. And the hollow icons are worse UX than full icons (https://medium.com/@aub/hollow-icons-a93647e5a44b#.qs2a6j7hu). iOS should eat a cheeseburger.

(http://tech.firstpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Notification-and-Control-center.jpg)

Also the translucency reminds me of Aero but not in a good way. And it's used everywhere. The quick settings panel doesn't need to be semi-transparent ffs.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: chronovore on June 07, 2016, 10:39:14 PM
https://twitter.com/jonjones/status/740054093742415873
:lol


Do you think Android does it any better?
The only Android devices I've fondled have been other people asking me for help with their "free"-ish phones that they can't figure out. Pretty sure they're running non-Vanilla/carrier-muddled versions of the OS, and they're in Japanese. Essentially I am always less worried about aesthetics in those situations, and am just trying to minimize the amount of time I'm in contact with them.

That said, right now it is REMARKABLE how Apple doesn't want to use any iconography other than the top-most level in their UI; get one level past the top of any Settings, and it's just text. And as mentioned, nothing looks like a button. It's a counterintuitive trend that must end. They've fucking rabbit-hole'd down superflat so badly that they no longer can see where it's hurting users.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Tasty on June 07, 2016, 10:41:02 PM
https://twitter.com/jonjones/status/740054093742415873
:lol

:lol
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Rufus on June 08, 2016, 09:19:17 AM
Hopefully Windows 11 with a normal UI suitable for PC.
You're hopeless. :beli

Also, you know that the Win7 style system settings window is still in Win10, right? Open the start menu, start typing "system". It'll be the first entry most likely.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 08, 2016, 10:11:31 AM
The whole thing with Material Design is that it brings some of the drop-shadows back where it makes sense, e.g. for buttons and floating nav elements.

(https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/800/1*LzHmC4nRFIGmXY1f-4Z0Wg.png)

(https://blog.omgmog.net/images/pEevcJ5.png)

Probably doesn't mean anything coming for me but I dislike the iOS aesthetics. It's far better than when Forstall was crapping things up, but it's too... sparse and "thin." Like, even the default text looks too thin to me, lol. And the hollow icons are worse UX than full icons (https://medium.com/@aub/hollow-icons-a93647e5a44b#.qs2a6j7hu). iOS should eat a cheeseburger.

(http://tech.firstpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Notification-and-Control-center.jpg)

Also the translucency reminds me of Aero but not in a good way. And it's used everywhere. The quick settings panel doesn't need to be semi-transparent ffs.

I do not disagree with anything here.  Cheers
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: chronovore on June 08, 2016, 11:16:46 PM
Dufus, I'm sorry if I've got a case of mistaken identity, but haven't you been installing Linux, Windows 7, Windows 10 in rotation for the past couple months? If so, I'm honestly worried you have some sort of compulsive disorder.

You saying there's something wrong with trying out a bunch of different things to see which you like the most? :gurl

Anyways I got used to Windows 7 again. Feelsgoodman :rejoice

Support lasts until 2020... I wonder what will be available then. Hopefully Windows 11 with a normal UI suitable for PC.
Nope, I'm saying it looks like you're in a shoe store, going back and trying on the same pairs of shoes, over and over again.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Atramental on June 08, 2016, 11:32:36 PM
And by the way I don't have much faith in Apple once I saw they also went for that goddamned godawful flat design aesthetic for Mac OS for basically no reason. There's absolutely no reason for Mac OS to look similar to iOS. They're distinct enough that they deserve to look distinct.

'Flat everything' is such a dumb design trend. It looks great on smartphones, okay on tablets... and that's basically it.

Motherfuckers are trying to kill the desktop computer, yo.
As someone who has to design shit that has to be readable on multiple screen sizes, in different layouts, and, in some cases, have animations with the added stress of clients who want their websites or apps done yesterday... flat design is here to stay. :bolo

Rest in piss skeuomorphic design. :piss2
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: chronovore on June 08, 2016, 11:42:58 PM
I'm done with skeuomorphic too, but superflat can incorporate readable-fucking-usability cues. Like, you know: buttons. Or, hey, ANYTHING that says, "This is an interactive screen element. You can push me. Or slide me. Or whatever. Give it a shot."
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Atramental on June 08, 2016, 11:47:43 PM
Usually that can be remedied by making the buttons a distinct color from the rest of the layout and by adding a hover/click animation:
http://tympanus.net/Development/ButtonStylesInspiration/
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: chronovore on June 09, 2016, 12:24:33 AM
Usually that can be remedied by making the buttons a distinct color from the rest of the layout and by adding a hover/click animation:
http://tympanus.net/Development/ButtonStylesInspiration/

Sure, but in touch interfaces where "hover" isn't in play, that's more difficult. OTOH, those buttons are all CLEARLY BUTTONS. Adding a right-facing carat does not make a button out of a header.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: chronovore on June 09, 2016, 12:27:22 AM
This shit is seriously wrong-headed. It would be forgivable if tapping on either header would also progress to a usable screen, but they don't.
(http://i.imgur.com/220sYyw.jpg)

Recently I also found that in iOS Music.app, the full-width headers for "Album," "Artist," and such are actually TWO interactive elements; the cover-art on the left functions as a Play button. The text on its right will drill down into the topic. Some, but not all cases show a Play button. For instance, Genre doesn't have the button, but still functions.

And, of course beyond any reason, tvOS on AppleTV doesn't support this functionality in its implementation, though it has separate "select" (GlassTouch click) and Play buttons.

Steaming pool of bovine diarrhea.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Atramental on June 09, 2016, 12:40:46 AM
Ah, I see.

A quick fix would be making those arrows blue like the "< General" one at the top.

I could probably think up of another way to make iOS Setting's UX/UI much intuitive but it's 12:30 am and I need to sleep.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Kara on June 09, 2016, 02:47:03 PM
That's the direction things are going though? One of the bicycle sites I frequent got a slick but inferior redesign recently and part of their rationale was that 50+% of their views were from mobile alone.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on June 09, 2016, 02:51:58 PM
I have a bunch of very sophisticated opinions on this stuff but every time I start writing a post I get about two sentences in and think "this is so complicated and is going to waste a ton of my emotional energy and nobody will understand or care anyway" and ragequit the browser =\
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Tasty on June 09, 2016, 04:21:47 PM
I have a bunch of very sophisticated opinions on this stuff but every time I start writing a post I get about two sentences in and think "this is so complicated and is going to waste a ton of my emotional energy and nobody will understand or care anyway" and ragequit the browser =\

:gurl sophisticated?

design isn't that hard tbh :yeshrug

i could probably shit out a better UI for Windows 10 within a few days (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/manny.png)

:badass
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Atramental on June 09, 2016, 04:38:39 PM
Please tell me you're not using Gimp anymore, Ruzbeh. :doge
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on June 09, 2016, 05:05:50 PM
lol
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: chronovore on June 09, 2016, 05:31:44 PM
I have a bunch of very sophisticated opinions on this stuff but every time I start writing a post I get about two sentences in and think "this is so complicated and is going to waste a ton of my emotional energy and nobody will understand or care anyway" and ragequit the browser =\

The only part in of this sentence that I care about is missing: did you ragequit via a keyboard shortcut, or use a difficult-to-identify button to do it?
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Kara on June 09, 2016, 05:37:54 PM
Control + W :aah
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Tasty on June 09, 2016, 05:45:58 PM
Dude obviously browses with Vim, so :q
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 09, 2016, 08:05:30 PM
That's the direction things are going though? One of the bicycle sites I frequent got a slick but inferior redesign recently and part of their rationale was that 50+% of their views were from mobile alone.

How embarrassing is it when you pass a fellow peddler and you're both browsing the same bicycle forum in one hand while wanking off with the other?
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: chronovore on June 09, 2016, 08:15:30 PM
I have a bunch of very sophisticated opinions on this stuff but every time I start writing a post I get about two sentences in and think "this is so complicated and is going to waste a ton of my emotional energy and nobody will understand or care anyway" and ragequit the browser =\

:gurl sophisticated?

design isn't that hard tbh :yeshrug

i could probably shit out a better UI for Windows 10 within a few days (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/manny.png)

Please tell me you're joking.

Go ahead and have your own stupid opinions, but casually dismissing the difficult work of others as simple or uncomplicated without being to perform it is unacceptable. I get enough of that every time Trump opens his mouth.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: bluemax on June 09, 2016, 11:19:37 PM
Today Windows 10 told me that the XBox One software development kit might be dangerous to install.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: benjipwns on June 10, 2016, 02:03:10 PM
Please tell me you're joking.

Go ahead and have your own stupid opinions, but casually dismissing the difficult work of others as simple or uncomplicated without being to perform it is unacceptable. I get enough of that every time Trump opens his mouth.
I could easily draw something better and record all the sounds in my bedroom. Probably takes a weekend tops. A week if I do it on my shit-posting down time.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Brehvolution on June 13, 2016, 03:25:34 PM
Today Windows 10 told me that the XBox One software development kit might be dangerous to install.

It's to scare away pansy sfags.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Tasty on June 27, 2016, 12:41:46 PM
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/230794-woman-wins-10000-judgment-against-microsoft-for-forced-windows-10-upgrade

 :snob
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: chronovore on June 27, 2016, 06:09:19 PM
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/230794-woman-wins-10000-judgment-against-microsoft-for-forced-windows-10-upgrade

 :snob

ExtremeTech is one of those websites with the "ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO LEAVE?" alerts on page-exit. I dislike those even more than "This page wants to know your location" or "This page wants to set up a second home in your Alert Center. That's cool, right?" You're a web page. Get over yourself.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Rufus on July 11, 2016, 04:14:35 PM
Just give in already, you know you want to. :-*
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Rufus on July 11, 2016, 04:33:06 PM
I've looked at that sub a couple of times, but every time I'm struck by how pointless all that customization is when all you'll be staring at websites, videos or fullscreen video games most of the time.

Tiling window managers especially make absolutely no sense to me, outside of wanting to keep your hands on the keyboard.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Rufus on July 11, 2016, 05:02:13 PM
So what do you do on a day to day basis with the command line, personally?
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Tasty on July 11, 2016, 05:15:35 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/AMdXx6Ql.png)

Wish I could install Gnome on this Macbook. :-\
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Rufus on July 11, 2016, 05:27:54 PM
there are some neat advantages to cli based stuff though... like music
I never delved deep into CLI stuff. The only CLI applications I use semi-regularly are livestreamer and youtube-dl.

I have to refer to cheat sheets to even remember all the other useful built-in stuff, much less use them. :doge
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Tasty on July 11, 2016, 05:32:49 PM
Lol. Gnome?

Linux GUIs have always been trash.

Gnome 3 is the best modern desktop UI.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Rufus on July 24, 2016, 07:00:51 PM
I knew you'd come around, you fickle bitch. :mynicca
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Rufus on July 25, 2016, 07:02:33 AM
Yup, the old one is still in there. I have no idea why they doubled up like that. I just made a shortcut for the old one and use that exclusively. ...I guess I answered my own question there. :doge
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Tasty on July 25, 2016, 09:59:40 AM
Presumably the new and shiny one doesn't have all the options so they kept the old one around for power users.

Same thing with bundling both Edge and IE. Gotta have something to access corporate websites.

I imagine by Windows 11 or whatever they'll both be phased out completely.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: fistfulofmetal on July 25, 2016, 10:17:17 AM
The new one is tablet and touch friendly.

Related: This week I'm going to be rolling out a mass Windows 10 migration to a client of mine, 80+ workstations. Here's hoping it's only a minor disaster!
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Tasty on July 25, 2016, 01:41:19 PM
http://www.theverge.com/2016/7/25/12269736/microsoft-windows-10-anniversary-update-features-review

Some pretty good refinements here.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: chronovore on July 25, 2016, 04:45:09 PM
Ugh. The Japanese font in Windows 10 renders way too thin. What the hell is this trash??
Japanese system fonts in Windows have always been garbage. It was a mistake.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Momo on July 25, 2016, 05:26:37 PM
havent had a single problem with 10 since I upgraded, I'm impressed with how MS handled this
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: bork on July 28, 2016, 07:38:07 AM
havent had a single problem with 10 since I upgraded, I'm impressed with how MS handled this

I still have a problem with one external hard drive constantly disconnecting/reconnecting itself when it 'wakes up'.  This was also a problem with Windows 7 and 8, but there was an easy fix that doesn't work on 10. 

But it IS just that one HDD and it's getting to the point that I might as well just replace it anyway.  It's like six years old now.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Momo on July 28, 2016, 07:42:17 AM
havent had a single problem with 10 since I upgraded, I'm impressed with how MS handled this

I still have a problem with one external hard drive constantly disconnecting/reconnecting itself when it 'wakes up'.  This was also a problem with Windows 7 and 8, but there was an easy fix that doesn't work on 10. 

But it IS just that one HDD and it's getting to the point that I might as well just replace it anyway.  It's like six years old now.
Write a small service/batch file that does this

ping www.google.com -t >>[DRIVE-LETTER]:\hidden-folder\keep-alivething.txt

Your drive wont go to sleep again unless you stop the service
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Huff on July 28, 2016, 07:45:54 AM
Upgrading to Windows 10 on my laptop.

Did everyone upgrade gaming PCs or leave as is?
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Rufus on July 28, 2016, 07:48:35 AM
You'll eventually have to update for DX12, so you might as well do it now.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: bork on July 28, 2016, 07:57:25 AM
havent had a single problem with 10 since I upgraded, I'm impressed with how MS handled this

I still have a problem with one external hard drive constantly disconnecting/reconnecting itself when it 'wakes up'.  This was also a problem with Windows 7 and 8, but there was an easy fix that doesn't work on 10. 

But it IS just that one HDD and it's getting to the point that I might as well just replace it anyway.  It's like six years old now.
Write a small service/batch file that does this

ping www.google.com -t >>[DRIVE-LETTER]:\hidden-folder\keep-alivething.txt

Your drive wont go to sleep again unless you stop the service

Have seen that but would prefer to just have a HDD that doesn't have this problem.  It's just 1TB and those are pretty cheap these days.

Upgrading to Windows 10 on my laptop.

Did everyone upgrade gaming PCs or leave as is?

Upgraded on my gaming laptop; didn't even think about trying it on the Windows tablets that we have.  I had a bad experience with 10 on a T100 last year and returned it for a slightly older model with 8.1, which worked much better.  But to be fair that's because it was cheaper hardware and things weren't optimized well on it.

I just ordered a Surface Pro 4.  That will be my first real experience with 10 using a touch screen. 
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: thisismyusername on July 28, 2016, 08:00:18 AM
I just ordered a Surface Pro 4.  That will be my first real experience with 10 using a touch screen.

It'll work, but not as well as 8.1 seems to be the common consensus with Tablets. I only use Tablet mode with Kindle and Zinio on mine. :doge Otherwise I'm using the "laptop" mode about 90% of the time.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: VomKriege on July 29, 2016, 02:34:08 AM
W10 on a smartphone works OK :yeshrug
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: benjipwns on July 29, 2016, 04:22:52 AM
Upgrading to Windows 10 on my laptop.

Did everyone upgrade gaming PCs or leave as is?
You'll eventually have to update for DX12, so you might as well do it now.
Yeah, I upgraded for DX12. I haven't really ran into anything serious other than a minor mobo related bug which was not technically Windows' fault. (The BIOS had to be flashed to correct how it identified itself without drivers present, Windows 7 didn't like it either.)

Compability issues on games aren't as bad as they were last year. Most of it I find are games demanding I upgrade to Windows 98SE or Windows ME from my outdated OS.

But a lot of stuff now has fixes for that, most of it seems tied to dead DRM or weird installers. Like when you upgrade Crysis (to use one example) with the patch that removed SecuROM or whatever, the error goes away.

Actually, most everything I've had problems with are the free games EA accidentally gave away on Origin. :lol
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: bork on July 29, 2016, 07:10:18 AM
havent had a single problem with 10 since I upgraded, I'm impressed with how MS handled this

I still have a problem with one external hard drive constantly disconnecting/reconnecting itself when it 'wakes up'.  This was also a problem with Windows 7 and 8, but there was an easy fix that doesn't work on 10. 

But it IS just that one HDD and it's getting to the point that I might as well just replace it anyway.  It's like six years old now.

how long is the USB cable that's connecting the hard drive to the computer? if it's a long cable that could cause problems. using a very short USB cable could solve that problem

Over 12". 
:beavis

Could that really cause a problem?
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: fistfulofmetal on July 29, 2016, 07:43:19 AM
Last day of free upgrades. I still have about 30 machines to get upgrades today. Yay.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 29, 2016, 09:15:48 AM
I upgraded.  seems as good as 7 and 8 so far.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: kick51 on July 29, 2016, 11:46:37 AM
my fuckin taskbar gets randomly locked all the time and the start+search buttons work for about a minute after boot, then clicking on them does nothing. 

Somehow the problem has only been getting worse since my install months ago.  The start/search buttons might break once a week before, now it's almost immediately after boot.   

otherwise, solid OS for now, but it sounds like they're about to start heavily fucking with it by forcing Cortana and shit
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: brawndolicious on July 29, 2016, 12:57:29 PM
I just ordered a Surface Pro 4.  That will be my first real experience with 10 using a touch screen.

It'll work, but not as well as 8.1 seems to be the common consensus with Tablets.

So Windows 8 wasn't that good for PC but good for tablets.

Windows 10 is good for PC but not so good for tablets.

Why won't Microsoft understand that this whole unified OS thing is just a bunch of bullshit and you need to separate operating systems? Just do like Apple does ffs.

Windows 10 is the best solution for those 2-in-1s that have laptop and tablet mode (ie: Lenovo Yoga or Surface Pro). Some of us actually like flipping between swiping and using a trackpad. :shrug
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: benjipwns on July 29, 2016, 02:16:37 PM
finally, august 2nd is coming with the most important update
Quote
Clock now shows on all monitors in a multi-monitor setup

 :rejoice

thank you bill

 :rejoice
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: D3RANG3D on November 16, 2016, 03:11:38 PM
http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-completes-its-linux-journey-joins-the-linux-foundation/
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Tasty on November 16, 2016, 04:01:35 PM
so how the hell do you use bash on windows

I still don't get it

where's my terminal?

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=bash+windows

literally the first link
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: D3RANG3D on January 06, 2017, 07:55:02 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1330969
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Valkyrie on January 06, 2017, 08:22:08 PM
Man, that looks quite hideous.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Rufus on January 06, 2017, 08:44:57 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=227716941&postcount=47

 :heh

I didn't know Groove Music existed. Outside of the weather thing I don't use a single UWP app, so... :yeshrug
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Valkyrie on January 06, 2017, 09:11:27 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=227716941&postcount=47

 :heh

I didn't know Groove Music existed. Outside of the weather thing I don't use a single UWP app, so... :yeshrug
I didn't install any of the apps either, since a lot of them have gotten really bad reviews (like Twitter).
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: D3RANG3D on January 06, 2017, 09:27:26 PM
I use the calculator, and grover podcast pretty good podcast app and xbox to bother my roommate.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
UWP is trash though.
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Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: thisismyusername on January 06, 2017, 10:42:10 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=227716941&postcount=47

 :heh

I didn't know Groove Music existed. Outside of the weather thing I don't use a single UWP app, so... :yeshrug
I didn't install any of the apps either, since a lot of them have gotten really bad reviews (like Twitter).

Twitter wasn't bad at launch, but since I have Chrome open 90% of the time, I just use the website. So... :yeshrug pointless app for me.

X-box App is about the only one I use, but that's so rarely since I haven't had a console in ages that I dunno why I keep the default apps installed outside the fact MS will attempt to reinstall them later on.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Trent Dole on January 07, 2017, 01:55:56 AM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=227716941&postcount=47

 :heh

I didn't know Groove Music existed. Outside of the weather thing I don't use a single UWP app, so... :yeshrug
Groove eats less ram than mediaplayer. :yeshrug
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Rufus on January 07, 2017, 08:55:58 AM
My precious fb2k is using all of 13MB. That said, I mostly stream my music these days, so it's moot either way.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Valkyrie on January 07, 2017, 07:01:29 PM
RIP Winamp. I've yet to find a media player for my local music that I'm very happy with.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Rufus on January 08, 2017, 11:16:49 AM
Man, I remember constantly looking for snazzy themes, but never being satisfied with any of them. :stahp
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: bork on January 08, 2017, 01:28:41 PM
Install some cumulative Windows updates on my Surface.  Been a while.  Then my displayport to HDMI adapter stopped working.  Got another cable...still didn't work.

After doing some basic troubleshooting, I reverted back to the pre-update restore point and the adapters both work fine.  It was the fuckin' update.  :doge

Trying again now to see if something just didn't complete last time.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: chronovore on January 08, 2017, 05:35:43 PM
Install some cumulative Windows updates on my Surface.  Been a while.  Then my displayport to HDMI adapter stopped working.  Got another cable...still didn't work.

After doing some basic troubleshooting, I reverted back to the pre-update restore point and the adapters both work fine.  It was the fuckin' update.  :doge

Trying again now to see if something just didn't complete last time.

Thanks! I was feeling strongly like I might switch back to Windows in a year or so, but I'm over it after your post. Those mysterious, hard to troubleshoot bullshit moments feel fewer and further apart in OS X. (OLD MacOS, on the other hand, can still eat a dick for weird inconsistencies.)
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: bork on January 09, 2017, 07:28:00 AM
Well, to be fair....that was the one big problem I've had since I started using Windows 10, and it really wasn't that big of a deal once I restored back.  When I did some research on it, I also only found people with Surfaces specifically saying that they'd had issues similar to this before.

I tried updating again and it's working fine.  No telling what the hell happened the first time-- at the time, the Surface was sitting on a chair that I pulled over to the TV to hook it up to and in the morning, I found it moved with cables thrown on top of it when my wife decided to do some housecleaning.  Wouldn't surprise me if something fucked it up.  I figured it was a 50/50 chance of being that or the update.   :lol
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Rufus on January 09, 2017, 07:50:50 AM
Amusingly enough, I had to roll back a W7 update so I could even install the W10 upgrade.
Title: Re: windows 10 is out
Post by: Valkyrie on January 09, 2017, 08:18:39 AM
Speaking of Windows 10 crap, I installed it on my new PC and it was a massive headache to disable a bunch of default stuff that was shitting up stuff, updates included. It almost felt bugged. I wish I had installed 8.1 instead, but oh well. Once the support for that gets discontinued, I'd have to get 10 anyway. Things are fine now though, but 10 isn't as good as it should have been.