It's going to keep happening.
And if you want one for safety, people should have to go through classes, evaluations, testing, all that.
What on air shooting? I'm not surprised there's another shooting, sadly. Just wondering what happened this time.
I'm not certain access itself is the problem, although the very large availability plays a role. The problem is the toxic culture of gun ownership that spawns a lobby that won't give in a single inch towards any sensible measure. I believe that any sane responsible adult (any citizen, in short) should be allowed to buy and own firearms (all handguns and non automatic rifles at least, won't go into the particular, the line between what's civilian and "military" is an arbitrary one). In return they should submit to background checks, registration, gun education.
2nd amendment is fine. People hell bent on a literal reading of it as if it was a piece of religious doctrine are assholes.
WHY DID HE HAVE TO BE BLACK?!?!
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dude fucking delete that
Holy fuck I had no idea the dude had actually filmed himself shooting them.
Jesus fuck.
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NOPEing the fuck out of watching any video of this. Even just thinking about it is making me sick to my stomach.
It's not unusual for avid hunters to amass dozens of guns over their lifetime. Different seasons require different types of guns. Certain styles fall out of favor and then you might have relatives that 'will' you their guns and then you hold onto them for sentimental reasons.
Not to mention people that are just hoarders/collectors by nature. It's not always a malicious thing.
"I have a sentimental attachment to my gun" makes you sound real sane.
I have a rifle that was passed down from grandfather to my father and to me. I will pass it on one day. It's also a rare gun. So I do have sentimental attachments to a gun. But not my others.It's not unusual for avid hunters to amass dozens of guns over their lifetime. Different seasons require different types of guns. Certain styles fall out of favor and then you might have relatives that 'will' you their guns and then you hold onto them for sentimental reasons.
Not to mention people that are just hoarders/collectors by nature. It's not always a malicious thing.
"I have a sentimental attachment to my gun" makes you sound real sane.
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What specific gun law would have prevented this? The man doesn't have a criminal record or a history of mental illness - he would pass a background check. Unless you're solution is a complete ban of guns...
What specific gun law would have prevented this? The man doesn't have a criminal record or a history of mental illness - he would pass a background check. Unless you're solution is a complete ban of guns...
In this specific case there probably isn't much that could have been done to prevent it, I agree, but I'd at least like for this country to move beyond the notion that the only solution is "more guns, more guns, more guns" and finally make an attempt at a rational effort to reduce gun violence overall.
I'm not wholly comfortable with the mantra that the average person should be strapped 24/7 and be expected to become John McClain at a moment's notice. Living with the expectation to be shot isn't something the average person should have to deal with.
What specific gun law would have prevented this? The man doesn't have a criminal record or a history of mental illness - he would pass a background check. Unless you're solution is a complete ban of guns...Well...he is black...
competition sport shooters
What specific gun law would have prevented this?
competition sport shooters
This is a thing? :mindblown What the fuck.
Get a fucking bow and arrow you hicks.
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I'm interested in hearing your solutions to this problem.
Those who attack others should be arrested and put in jail when possible; if they're killed in self-defense or kill themselves rather than get caught, great, saves on room and board.
Since that's already the case, there's nothing to be solved for.
Anyone who thinks individual human liberty is a problem that needs to be solved should be forcefed a giant bag of dicks.
and dammit stop quoting jaydub dudes
::)competition sport shooters
This is a thing? :mindblown What the fuck.
Get a fucking bow and arrow you hicks.
Changing gun culture in America is impossible. We are so desensitized to violence that there is literally nothing that will shock us to our core anymore.Yeah, if Sandyhook couldn't spur any change nothing will.
People who long for that kind of treatment can take solace that the rest of what remains of that empire is still run that way.On personal protection for the non-rich. And free speech/press/assembly. But other than FortressUK most of the rest of the commonwealth isn't appreciably worse than the United States. And can be better.
Yeah, if Sandyhook couldn't spur any change nothing will.
People who long for that kind of treatment can take solace that the rest of what remains of that empire is still run that way.On personal protection for the non-rich. And free speech/press/assembly. But other than FortressUK most of the rest of the commonwealth isn't appreciably worse than the United States. And can be better.
People who long for that kind of treatment can take solace that the rest of what remains of that empire is still run that way.On personal protection for the non-rich. And free speech/press/assembly. But other than FortressUK most of the rest of the commonwealth isn't appreciably worse than the United States. And can be better.
Guess what? Humans are violent. Access to guns didn't cause this. Shut down your liberal outrage machine.
Acting like we're just stricter gun laws away from ridding ourselves of these "abberations" (ie human behaviors in response to the social structure they're forced into at birth) is what's fucking dumb.Dunno, Australia's doing pretty well since they've made it very difficult for people to have guns.
I think you're smarter than thinking it's possible to weed out the possibly homicidal by giving them a test. You want people to stop killing each other, we'd do a whole lot more by cultivating a society of empathy than labelling people psychopaths and limiting their rights.
Acting like we're just stricter gun laws away from ridding ourselves of these "abberations" (ie human behaviors in response to the social structure they're forced into at birth) is what's fucking dumb.
Oh, I'm sure Australia and the USA have nearly identical socio-economics as wellNo, they don't, but it's more difficult to go on a mass murdering rampage armed with, say, a knife.
Eh. The problem seems to be him not having a history of mental illness when he most likely was mentally ill.where are the receipts?
Not that this would pass either, but I'd rather see straw purchases and other means of illegally traffiking guns banned and/or addressed.Fast and Furious is a phony scandal.
Oh, I'm sure Australia and the USA have nearly identical socio-economics as wellNo, they don't, but it's more difficult to go on a mass murdering rampage armed with, say, a knife.
Brandnew's post of "fuck everyone with theirs guns" was stupid liberal outrage incapable of doing anything but further polarizing. Where did I say more limits wouldn't be useful? Just being angry and accusatory isn't going to solve the larger issues at play that make America a violent cesspit.
Oh, I'm sure Australia and the USA have nearly identical socio-economics as well
Eh. The problem seems to be him not having a history of mental illness when he most likely was mentally ill.where are the receipts?
The crime itself? And where he was fired from, he seemed like a troubled person when they let him go.
I had a hunch he was unhinged by going through his twitter. Posting lots of pictures of himself at a young age and other weird shit.
But I guess we won't know for sure he was mentally ill when he's fucking dead now.
Brandnew's post of "fuck everyone with theirs guns" was stupid liberal outrage incapable of doing anything but further polarizing. Where did I say more limits wouldn't be useful? Just being angry and accusatory isn't going to solve the larger issues at play that make America a violent cesspit.
Killing people over a work grudge is not a surefire sign of mental illness either.
I'm not certain access itself is the problem, although the very large availability plays a role. The problem is the toxic culture of gun ownership that spawns a lobby that won't give in a single inch towards any sensible measure. I believe that any sane responsible adult (any citizen, in short) should be allowed to buy and own firearms (all handguns and non automatic rifles at least, won't go into the particular, the line between what's civilian and "military" is an arbitrary one). In return they should submit to background checks, registration, gun education.
2nd amendment is fine. People hell bent on a literal reading of it as if it was a piece of religious doctrine are assholes.
The 2nd amendment isn't practiced in the way it was intended with regards to providing STATE MILITIAS the right to arm, it was originally put in the constitution as a way for the state governments to not feel powerless against the federal governments military capacity so it's useless today. You seem well learned on this subject for a French dude but I just wanted to point out that it really doesn't apply to modern civilian gun ownership.
In America today, we have two types of gun owners: The ones who just like guns cause they're cool and fun (myself included) and then there's the minority who want a paperless trail to gun ownership because they're paranoid the government might take away the one thing that makes them feel powerful in life. That second group of gun nuts is probably a tiny minority but they're backing the NRA/gun lobby.
Oh, I'm sure Australia and the USA have nearly identical socio-economics as well
I'm not certain access itself is the problem, although the very large availability plays a role. The problem is the toxic culture of gun ownership that spawns a lobby that won't give in a single inch towards any sensible measure. I believe that any sane responsible adult (any citizen, in short) should be allowed to buy and own firearms (all handguns and non automatic rifles at least, won't go into the particular, the line between what's civilian and "military" is an arbitrary one). In return they should submit to background checks, registration, gun education.
2nd amendment is fine. People hell bent on a literal reading of it as if it was a piece of religious doctrine are assholes.
The 2nd amendment isn't practiced in the way it was intended with regards to providing STATE MILITIAS the right to arm, it was originally put in the constitution as a way for the state governments to not feel powerless against the federal governments military capacity so it's useless today. You seem well learned on this subject for a French dude but I just wanted to point out that it really doesn't apply to modern civilian gun ownership.
In America today, we have two types of gun owners: The ones who just like guns cause they're cool and fun (myself included) and then there's the minority who want a paperless trail to gun ownership because they're paranoid the government might take away the one thing that makes them feel powerful in life. That second group of gun nuts is probably a tiny minority but they're backing the NRA/gun lobby.
Well, I'm no US constitution scholar, but regardless of the original intentions (In those matters, I'm not sure they are that important anyway) it is what serves as the basis for gun ownership, isn't it ? Also while the language may be outdated, I think the principle of a citizen militia / arming citizen as a potential balance for abuse of authority is relevant still but I guess that's another debate. I think the Switzerland case, where gun laws are pretty friendly to owners and military rifles are widely held by the populace (namely for national defence), shows that access itself is not the problem.
To be fair to some gun owners though, there is some truth to the slippery slope of regulations. I have been told by an acquaintance that shotgun owners in France felt really burnt when those weapons were seized (without any compensation) in 95... using the registration lists that were enforced a few years earlier. Those who didn't register had a good laugh out of that. The EU has been clearly pushing towards more comprehensive restrictions which seems mostly unnecessary.
The crime itself?He's mentally ill because he shot and killed 2 people and he shot and killed 2 people because he's mentally ill. When you retroactively chalk crime up to "he was crazy" you open up an avenue of discourse that ignores the extent to which cognitive behavior, and our labeling of it, is socially conditioned.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3267868/
Poe called Switzerland “the most heavily armed nation on earth, per capita,”
I have been told by an acquaintance that shotgun owners in France felt really burnt when those weapons were seized (without any compensation) in 95... using the registration lists that were enforced a few years earlier. Those who didn't register had a good laugh out of that.This is why it can be dumb to use official reported rates on this stuff. I've seen some estimates that Germany actually has three times the gun ownership that it "reports" in official statistics. You report one gun, government goes away happy, you've still got ten for your Beer Hall Putsch on Thursday, everybody wins.
I'm not certain access itself is the problem, although the very large availability plays a role. The problem is the toxic culture of gun ownership that spawns a lobby that won't give in a single inch towards any sensible measure. I believe that any sane responsible adult (any citizen, in short) should be allowed to buy and own firearms (all handguns and non automatic rifles at least, won't go into the particular, the line between what's civilian and "military" is an arbitrary one). In return they should submit to background checks, registration, gun education.
2nd amendment is fine. People hell bent on a literal reading of it as if it was a piece of religious doctrine are assholes.
The 2nd amendment isn't practiced in the way it was intended with regards to providing STATE MILITIAS the right to arm, it was originally put in the constitution as a way for the state governments to not feel powerless against the federal governments military capacity so it's useless today. You seem well learned on this subject for a French dude but I just wanted to point out that it really doesn't apply to modern civilian gun ownership.
In America today, we have two types of gun owners: The ones who just like guns cause they're cool and fun (myself included) and then there's the minority who want a paperless trail to gun ownership because they're paranoid the government might take away the one thing that makes them feel powerful in life. That second group of gun nuts is probably a tiny minority but they're backing the NRA/gun lobby.
Well, I'm no US constitution scholar, but regardless of the original intentions (In those matters, I'm not sure they are that important anyway) it is what serves as the basis for gun ownership, isn't it ? Also while the language may be outdated, I think the principle of a citizen militia / arming citizen as a potential balance for abuse of authority is relevant still but I guess that's another debate. I think the Switzerland case, where gun laws are pretty friendly to owners and military rifles are widely held by the populace (namely for national defence), shows that access itself is not the problem.
To be fair to some gun owners though, there is some truth to the slippery slope of regulations. I have been told by an acquaintance that shotgun owners in France felt really burnt when those weapons were seized (without any compensation) in 95... using the registration lists that were enforced a few years earlier. Those who didn't register had a good laugh out of that. The EU has been clearly pushing towards more comprehensive restrictions which seems mostly unnecessary.
Well the Swiss issue those guns to their citizens and I think they even hold them responsible for any missing rounds of ammunition. Here, you just go to a store and buy what you like.
There's definitely the possibility that gun registration records could be used to confiscate an innocent gun owners arsenal, but that's so ridiculously unlikely in a country with such a huge gun culture. I mean most gun owners probably wouldn't blast any G-men knocking on their doors but they would be annoyed enough to vote their politicians out. Was shotgun owmership pretty rare in 95?
Aren't Swiss firearms heavily regulated? Such as registration, ID's when purchasing ammunition and required licensing? They are also very well educated on firearm safety thanks to those regulations. The only thing I wouldn't care to see implemented here is mandatory firearm registration.
Edit: Yeah, not the typical gun nuts idea of a paradise at all...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland
Aren't Swiss firearms heavily regulated? Such as registration, ID's when purchasing ammunition and required licensing? They are also very well educated on firearm safety thanks to those regulations. The only thing I wouldn't care to see implemented here is mandatory firearm registration.
Edit: Yeah, not the typical gun nuts idea of a paradise at all...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland
I'm actually governed by some federal rules with regard to what I can and cannot put on my business card. :brazilcryThat's bone. And the lettering is something called Silian Rail.spoiler (click to show/hide)I'm a federally licensed tax expert but because my area of expertise is corporate tax and foreign asset amnesty I have to cross train with accounting.[close]
“He threatened to punch people out, and he was kind of running fairly roughshod over other people in the newsroom,” Shafer added.
Former colleagues told The Daily Beast that Flanagan blew up at two female coworkers in Florida—and that one woman’s husband considered coming to work to defend her.
“In one case, the husband of one of the women, came this close to coming into the station and pounding the hell out of him,” Leval said.
Court papers in Flanagan’s 2013 discrimination case also reveal an apparent preoccupation with perceived racism against him.
“I am hereby requesting a trial which will be heard by a jury of my peers,” he wrote in a letter to the judge. “I would like my jury to be comprised of African-American women.”
Flanagan also mentioned a frequently appearing watermelon as evidence of racial harassment at the Roanoke TV station and claimed he had photos of it.
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why can't people bring watermelon in because its delicious
99% of media is just another business out to make a dollar?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=176764405&postcount=2583
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Take that, dad!
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=176764405&postcount=2583
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Take that, dad!
Prole's daughter in 20 years. :dead
It was all too familiar a scene to Vernell Strachan as she stared past flashing police lights and yellow tape at the place where two male teenagers were shot to death in broad daylight Wednesday afternoon.
Two men were killed and eight others, including a 14-year-old girl, have been wounded in separate shootings across the city since late Wednesday morning, police said.
Two people are dead and two others are critically wounded after a domestic violence shooting unfolded in Salinas outside a federal office building.
Gun shows are the most lenient when it comes to purchasing any gun. If you're a private seller you can just sell a gun to any dude and that will be that.
For those that don't know, gun shows are local conventions hosted at hotels or some other public area, you pay like $10 to get in and see hundreds of guns being sold. Imagine any merchandise revolving around paranoid hick and supremacist culture, that shit is also sold at gun shows.
Awful culture. Sorry Mups, gotta say it. :(Not sure why you're pointing me out. I posted earlier that I am in favor of more gun control laws basically because gun culture has proven to be irresponsible in this country. I collect and sport shoot. I'm not Rambo and I don't try to be.
If laws are outlawed only outlaws will have laws. :ohhh
Awful culture. Sorry Mups, gotta say it. :(Not sure why you're pointing me out. I posted earlier that I am in favor of more gun control laws basically because gun culture has proven to be irresponsible in this country. I collect and sport shoot. I'm not Rambo and I don't try to be.