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Title: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on September 15, 2015, 02:52:52 AM
Kicks off (technically) with SCEJA's press conference in like 7 minutes

https://youtube.com/watch?v=R0P6eD5Kw1U
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: toku on September 15, 2015, 03:48:05 AM
There really is a game called Kingdom Hearts HD II.8: Final Chapter Prologue

squenix is shameless
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: toku on September 15, 2015, 03:54:18 AM
"Here is a game that would have been cool in 2007" - Capcom
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 15, 2015, 04:08:33 AM
-Bloodborne Expansion coming in November
-Gravity Rush remake coming to PS4
-Gravity Rush 2 coming to PS4
-Dangaropa 3 PS4/Vita
-Yakuza remake PS3/4
-Yakuza 6 coming to PS4
-13 Sentinels PS4/Vita (mechs rpg?)
-NIOH coming to PS4 (Omnimush meets Souls?)
-Kingdom Hearts 2.8 coming to PS4
-Resident Evil Umbrella Corps coming to PS4
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: VomKriege on September 15, 2015, 04:13:16 AM
New mainline KoF.  :hyper

In 3D.  :piss2

Remember the 2D Alamo.  :brazilcry
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 15, 2015, 04:19:25 AM
FFXIV is Playstation VR compatible

:dead
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on September 15, 2015, 04:43:57 AM
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2015/09/15/gravity-rush-remastered-coming-to-ps4-on-february-9th-2016/

BluePoint are doing the Gravity Rush PS4 port. :lawd
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: archnemesis on September 15, 2015, 04:45:52 AM
I never finished the Vita version of Gravity Rush since I had issues with the controls. I'll probably rebuy it if it's $40 or less.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Take My Breh Away on September 15, 2015, 04:48:42 AM
New mainline KoF.  :hyper

In 3D.  :piss2

Remember the 2D Alamo.  :brazilcry

It looks worse than Maximum Impact 2 :brazilcry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPo8o3K8x10

:trash :trash :trash
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: demi on September 15, 2015, 04:49:35 AM
Gotta admit this conference went off on all cylinders. All that looks good to me.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Bebpo on September 15, 2015, 05:10:49 AM
My thoughts:

KoFIV - Looks like the kind of mediocre Maximum Impact 2.5d games.  Not particularly interested and looks pretty ugly.
KH2.8 - $60 for a 1 hour demo of KH3 as Aqua + a movie version of a cell phone game no one cares about + a HD version of a 3DS game no one cares about; yup $60 for a 1 hour demo.
Nioh - Looks a bit Janky, but it's ONIMUSHA and we haven't had a decent Onimusha type game in forever, so I'll take it
RGG1/Yakuza 1 remake - I don't replay games so I don't care, but RGG1 had the best storyline in the series but the gameplay does not hold up (40 second battle load times), so remaking it for a new audience with 0 loading and improved mechanics/graphics is cool.
RGG6/Yakuza 6 - Still haven't played 3-5, so don't care, but it has its fans.
Vanillaware 13 Sentinels - Looks like a Makoto Shinkai game (Voices of a Distant Star); might be the first Vanillaware game I actually finish even if the gameplay is repetitive.  Love me robots.
Star Ocean 5 - Characters are still poop, but environments and cities look fantastic, battle system looks ok, probably worth playing and skipping all the cutscenes
Tri-ace Big Head Mode game - Looks great and totally Valkyrie Profile except for the big-head characters which look awful.  What the hell is with Tri-ace and character designs/models these days??
Gravity Daze remake - Sure, no touch controls, better visuals; I'll take it since I still haven't played much of the Vita one.
Gravity Daze 2 - Neat.
Umbrella Corps - Lol, RE is so awful now; nail in the coffin.
Project Setsuna - Aka, SE's rpgmaker game trying to cash in on nostalgia.  Looks super shit and worse visually and mechanically than even the 4 Warriors of Light DS game.  Feel sorry for people who are gonna get scammed by this.
Saga game - Welp, still nothing haha; hope it's good?
Dangan Roppa 3 - Cool for fans
Bloodborne Expansion - Cool for fans; love me some Bloodborne.
Toukiden 2 - Don't really care, but I'm sure it has its fans. 
One Piece Fighter by Spike Chunsoft - Uh, I guess they need money?
Gundam VS on Vita - zzzz

Might've missed some other stuff, but I think that was most of the newer games.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 15, 2015, 06:04:45 AM
Gravity Rush was mediocre at best, but I'm interested in a sequel none the less because there was promise of greatness there.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: VomKriege on September 15, 2015, 07:30:13 AM
People shocked at Capcom milking their franchises.  :iface
While praising the good sense of more remakes.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: thisismyusername on September 15, 2015, 08:03:48 AM
-Gravity Rush remake coming to PS4
-Gravity Rush 2 coming to PS4

Even Japan knows Sony's handheld couldn't be this dead. :doge

Umbrella Shooter: :brazilcry :brazilcry :brazilcry :brazilcry Not like this on the 20th, Capcom. Not like this.

FFXIV is Playstation VR compatible

:dead

Now I can be a Moe Catboy in real life. :itagaki #thanksjapan
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: bork on September 15, 2015, 09:06:01 AM
KOF is looking pretty bad, but could improve a lot visually.  Will wait and see but am not expecting a SFV level budget behind it.  I like how people think it's gonna be like Maximum Impact even though it's being made by completely different people and won't play the same.  Street Fighter IV got the same dumb comparisons to EX when it was first announced, too.
:idont

Confused by Resident Evil.  People wanted more after the bomb that was Operation Raccoon City?  :???

Gundam Vs. Gundam on Vita?  Fuck yeah.  Especially when it will be "consolized" thanks to the PSTV.

Toukiden 2?  I haven't spent much time with Kiwami yet!  Time to get rid of that and wait, I guess.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: VomKriege on September 15, 2015, 09:13:26 AM
KOF is looking pretty bad, but could improve a lot visually.  Will wait and see but am not expecting a SFV level budget behind it.  I like how people think it's gonna be like Maximum Impact even though it's being made by completely different people and won't play the same.  Street Fighter IV got the same dumb comparidons to EX when it was first announced, too.
:idont

All true but maybe I'm a bigot or something because those "2.5D" games to me never capture the feeling of an actual 2D game, something is never right. Maybe it's all in my head, but I'm skeptical 3D models are able to be cheated and tweaked like a sprite or something, I find 2D games much snappier. Also SF4 is ugly as sin. I hated how the furies/specials (or whatever they're called there) were those long canned sequences with angle changes and all, really threw me out the game everytime. Has it changed ?

2D KoF dying was bound to happen anyway, so... Sad that they didn't get to make a KoF98 equivalent with those sprites though, even if the background and music quality were already below standard IIRC. There's a couple characters I would have liked to see in glorious HD, Blue Mary and Yamazaki.

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Confused by Resident Evil.  People wanted more after the bomb that was Operation Raccoon City?

It sold 2m units or something in the first two or four months and probably some after that too, which I would say is pretty good for a shitty spinoff compared to other similar titles in the RE franchise.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: thisismyusername on September 15, 2015, 09:26:20 AM
It sold 2m units or something in the first two or four months and probably some after that too, which I would say is pretty good for a shitty spinoff compared to other similar titles in the RE franchise.

MEANWHILE IN REALITY (http://steamcharts.com/app/209100)

(It bombed, hard. It sold well for two months because of the IP name. Once people understood Slant Six's pedigree (if they never played the perpetual "beta and not final, promise!" Socom from them) it bombed, hard.

Series fans didn't want anything to do with it from when it was announced. Shooter fans wanted nothing to do with it after seeing how bad Slant Six fucked up.

Nobody wanted a continuation.

ll true but maybe I'm a bigot or something because those "2.5D" games to me never capture the feeling of an actual 2D game, something is never right. Maybe it's all in my head, but I'm skeptical 3D models are able to be cheated and tweaked like a sprite or something, I find 2D games much snappier. Also SF4 is ugly as sin. I hated how the furies/specials (or whatever they're called there) were those long canned sequences with angle changes and all, really threw me out the game everytime. Has it changed ?

No, that will never change. And honestly, it's only for 2 seconds. You can't understand the camera angle is telling you flat out to block?

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ut maybe I'm a bigot or something because those "2.5D" games to me never capture the feeling of an actual 2D game,

Played Guilty Gear recently?
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: chronovore on September 15, 2015, 09:32:36 AM
TGS is a crowded, hot, nerd-fest, and it gets worse on "Public Day."

Gosh, I miss it.  :-\
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: VomKriege on September 15, 2015, 09:34:07 AM
I don't dispute that and I know well that shipped/sold numbers are what they are (although not sure Steam is the best indicator) but if they moved a reasonable number of units at retail price, it's not unlikely it was all profitable for Capcom.

Besides I'm not even sure Capcom would need that as a rationale. Resident Evil is like the biggest or only relevant cash cow they have now. Maybe an executive just asked to apply an Umbrella paint coat on a completely unrelated title (Not an expert but the whole stuff has more of a Dead Space / Lost Planet vide ?) because it cannot hurt sales wise.

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No, that will never change. And honestly, it's only for 2 seconds. You can't understand the camera angle is telling you flat out to block?

Honestly I found them long winded and detrimental to the pace. But let me be clear there : I like fighting games but I'm no playa or anything. I don't like SF4 art and presentation but I'm not gonna make a religious war out of it.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: thisismyusername on September 15, 2015, 09:43:17 AM
The series's reputation is pretty much in the gutter right now with a lot of "classic fans." Why do you think everyone with a lick of common sense went crazy that Capcom finally listened to fans and are redoing RE2? Nobody wanted a continuation of Operation Raccoon City. Nobody. They basically made a game with the IP that pleased nobody.

If they really wanted to get people hyped up, they would've continued the Outbreak series. That is what fans have been demanding for nearly like... 10 years now. But Capcom doesn't listen and continues to try to put shooter elements in a series with fans that want nothing to do with shoot-bang 24/7 in the series.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Kara on September 15, 2015, 09:55:46 AM
Don't argue King of Fighters with people who rep 2002.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: VomKriege on September 15, 2015, 09:58:59 AM
Well, sure, but does Capcom needs those classic fans? Shit is selling is what I mean, though probably under whatever crazy expectations they had for RE6. The franchise was always gonna be milked and runned to the ground, especially with Capcom. They started right off after RE2.

I'm fairly skeptical that a sequel to an obscure spinoff would make more commercial sense than whatever they're doing now. Is it good long term ? I dunno but it worked with SF2.

Not to be an ass or anything, I know that feel.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: bork on September 15, 2015, 10:05:38 AM
Don't argue King of Fighters with people who rep 2002.

Kara with shit KOF taste confirmed.

Not that the classics matter anymore, anyway- you play '98 UM and 2002 UM...and the rest are no longer needed.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Mods Help on September 15, 2015, 10:05:53 AM
Resident Evil is down with classic fans? Lol RE is in the gutter with every assortment of RE fan except those weirdos that liked 6
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Kara on September 15, 2015, 10:08:29 AM
Don't argue King of Fighters with people who rep 2002.

Kara with shit KOF taste confirmed.

Not that the classics matter anymore, anyway- you play '98 UM and 2002 UM...and the rest are no longer needed.

You rep the King of Fighters equivalent of grocery store brand instant oatmeal with nothing added to it, speaking of taste.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Mods Help on September 15, 2015, 10:09:35 AM
KOFUM02 is one of the best KOF's wtf are you smoking ???
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on September 15, 2015, 10:28:43 AM
I bought Operation Raccoon City at full price when it came out. I thought it had some good ideas buried under utterly mediocre gameplay, so I wouldn't be opposed to an in-house sequel to it that's done better.

Umbrella Corps isn't even attempting to be like ORC, so I don't think its even appealing to the 3 people who liked it. Literally a game made for nobody. :lol
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 15, 2015, 10:44:33 AM
Vanillaware's latest game has high school kids and mechs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=88&v=mV_RfdxpVOU
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Mods Help on September 15, 2015, 10:46:49 AM
So basically the perfect mix of the full extent Japanese culture. Excellent.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: VomKriege on September 15, 2015, 10:48:20 AM
On RE correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't there a study that the fanbase was getting older (duh) and that it worried Capcom ?

Edit
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=741031
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Tasty on September 15, 2015, 11:02:24 AM
No MH news? Then I don't care.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Tasty on September 15, 2015, 11:03:43 AM
Nobody wanted a continuation of Operation Raccoon City. Nobody. They basically made a game with the IP that pleased nobody.

I mean, ORC sold 2.1 million copies...

Edit- Beated
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Cheddahz on September 15, 2015, 11:37:44 AM
Finally, I'm glad that I own a PS4
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Positive Touch on September 15, 2015, 12:03:55 PM
fans want more outbreak what :lol :lol :lol the first one was so terrible that the second one bombed and the third was cancelled. i know it had its fans but they were few.

also dammit i just bought kingdom hearts 3ds like a month ago.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Bebpo on September 15, 2015, 12:44:44 PM
I was really hoping KoF would look like Xrd.  I'm fine with 2.5d If they go for an 2d style.  But nope, all plastic, looks gross.

TGS is a crowded, hot, nerd-fest, and it gets worse on "Public Day."

Gosh, I miss it.  :-\

Really?  The one or two times I went it was pretty empty compared to US conventions where you rub against the sweat of your fellow unwashed human being :(  Felt representative of the death of the game industry over there and this was like 2001 and 2004.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: bork on September 15, 2015, 01:23:09 PM
Don't argue King of Fighters with people who rep 2002.

Kara with shit KOF taste confirmed.

Not that the classics matter anymore, anyway- you play '98 UM and 2002 UM...and the rest are no longer needed.

You rep the King of Fighters equivalent of grocery store brand instant oatmeal with nothing added to it, speaking of taste.
KOFUM02 is one of the best KOF's wtf are you smoking ???

Mods Help is entirely correct here.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Mods Help on September 15, 2015, 01:31:06 PM
Uh

I mean

KOF02UM totally sucks. Baka.

:expert

I'm not supposed to have right or ethical opinions. That's not what this alt is for!!!! :brazilcry
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: bork on September 15, 2015, 01:31:27 PM
Too late.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Mods Help on September 15, 2015, 01:31:55 PM
:stahp
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: bork on September 15, 2015, 01:53:13 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/56k5Bz3.gif)
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 15, 2015, 01:57:46 PM
2002 UM and XI are pretty good if you ask me. The best of the series pre-XIII. I don't think SNK has ever been able to do 3d well so based on what 8 secs of footage I'm not surprised it looks kind of bad. I guess it could improve, but XIII looks pretty damn amazing so it's hard to beat. Still, I would have liked some semblance of a style on display there. Zed quailty probably not, but some sort of cel shading. This just looks like random 3d ps2 fighter. They could do better then again there is samurai showdown sen....

I think Sony had a pretty decent showing. Plenty of things I'd play.

Double Gravity Rush is cool. I'd like the combat to be better in the 2nd but I'll enjoy simply flying around in a charming setting.

Project Setsuna looked a bit bland, but hey it's a jrpg so ill pay attention to it. Square is really strong right now honestly. I don't know, everything simpley caught my interest. Which is really the best thing to say.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 15, 2015, 01:59:55 PM
its possible that the new KOF will be 2.5 D. SNK hasn't tried that one in a long while.

and NIOH looks great so far, get hype.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 15, 2015, 02:14:00 PM
Ni Oh looked fantastic. Koei Tecmo are really the unsung heroes of the Japanese console scene.

I hope these gambles work out for everyone.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Mr. Gundam on September 15, 2015, 02:38:19 PM
Gundam VS on Vita - zzzz

What a stupid decision. Sounds like it's single player focused, so hopefully that means Maxi Boost is still coming home soonish.

Gundam Vs. Gundam on Vita?  Fuck yeah.  Especially when it will be "consolized" thanks to the PSTV.

The framerate really chugged along in some parts of the trailer. And just watch it not being compatible with PSTV.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Bebpo on September 15, 2015, 02:42:40 PM
I hope they add more single player content focus to the PS4 Maxi Boost next year.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Bebpo on September 15, 2015, 02:50:52 PM
Project Setsuna looked a bit bland, but hey it's a jrpg so ill pay attention to it. Square is really strong right now honestly. I don't know, everything simpley caught my interest. Which is really the best thing to say.

Really?  I think SE has no idea what they're doing right now (well it's been like that for a while, but it's really showing now):

KH weirdest collection ever that no one wants
World of Final Fantasy - mobile crap now with Lightning!
Project Sestuna - somehow they made an rpg that looks worse and looks like it plays worse than a ton of rpg maker/indie rpgs made by a couple of people in a garage
Star Ocean 5 - Ok, nice they're publishing it, too bad they bailed on the series when we could've got that Mass Effect looking Star Ocean 5 instead of creepy fuck dolls in space (who are we kidding, the game will be 98% on a backwater fantasy world)
FFXV - development disaster
Nier 2 - nowhere in sight

KH3 could be the only thing fine on the Square side since Osaka team seems like the only well managed team.  But that's being optimistic with modern square.

The Enix side is a lot better:

DQ Builders - could be ok minecraft clone
DQ Heroes 2 - sure, keep milking
DQ XI - Hey, a real rpg

Their eidos side is fine though, maybe sorta:

Hitman - could be good, but buy and hope you get a game later pricing model is gross
Tomb Raider 2 - probably good
Deus Ex 2 - probably good

Personally, this is the least interested I've ever been in the Japanese side SquareEnix as a company.  The only thing I'm actually interested in is DQXI and I don't even know if that's gonna be a sure bet with the split versions (could see the 3ds version being good, and PS4 version being empty and budget-capped).
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Mods Help on September 15, 2015, 02:53:42 PM
How is world of final fantasy mobile crap? Haven't paid attention.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Positive Touch on September 15, 2015, 03:12:01 PM
bebpo you are in a dark place
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Mr. Gundam on September 15, 2015, 03:12:39 PM
I hope they add more single player content focus to the PS4 Maxi Boost next year.

I'd be cool with that too, just sounds like the Vita title is designed with single player being the focus.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on September 15, 2015, 04:14:30 PM
This the best position that SE have been in in years. The fuck are you going on about Bebpo?  :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

The double wammy of FFXIII FFXIV 1.0 being over-developed messes that cost them way too much money led them to have to skim by on XIII sequels, ports, and cheap mobile games while they devoted a huge amount of resources into making A Realm Reborn. The past few years have been nothing but FF, FF and more FF because they've literally been unable to devote resources to anything else to salvage the mess that the old guard and XIII/Versus/Type-0 started.

Now that that saga is over and XIV 2.0/3.0 are a resounding success, current SE has:

Changed the team behind XV so that they can actually finish the game.
A new Star Ocean Game.
A new SaGa title.
A Seiken Densetsu remake.
A Nier sequel.
New IPs with stuff like Setsuna
FF7 remake
New Final Fantasy spin-offs rather than sidequels and content flips.
One last KH remaster, as well as making a new KH3-prologue type thing with Birth by Sleep 0.2
KH3
New mainline Dragon Quest.
New DQ spin-offs in very different genres.
New mobile titles.

This is the most diverse SE has ever been in terms of their total lineup and amount of games, without even counting the Eidos side or them publishing super weird stuff like Life is Strange. This is the Square that was missing during the PS3 generation, where all they could do is bow and say "HD development is 2 hard pls understand" without actually putting anything out.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Bebpo on September 15, 2015, 04:35:28 PM
/shrug, as a jrpg fan they have nothing that appeals to me right now besides DQXI sometime in the future, KH3 sometime in the future, and Nier 2 sometime in the future, and maybe Saga which they still haven't even shown a screenshot of.  The rest, aka their current lineup that's actually being released in the next year looks incredibly unappealing either visually or gameplay-wise, and so many of their games seemed aimed at mobile style art design/character design/F2P gameplay design mixed with selling people bad games using nostalgia.

And don't even get me started on FFXV after the team change.  Tabata and his team can't tell a story or do a narrative-based game to save their life after The 3rd Birthday and Type-0, they also can't really do anything beyond shallow broken gameplay as evidenced by Type-0.  And they're already ripping out all the stuff that was supposed to make FFXV interesting: getting rid of Nomura's airships, getting rid of spiffy Italitan Mafia character design for generic fantasy man design, dumbing down the combat considerably to auto-combat.  I expect the game to be about as good as Type-0 now with a bigger budget.  So, not very good.  Whereas at one point it actually seemed like it could've been a great fresh FF.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 15, 2015, 04:35:37 PM
Yeah I can't agree with any of that.

FF15 looks like a real game, not just a bunch of ideas. They've been very transparent about it's development, but unlike the Nomura years it actually looks like it's coming out. And It actually looks ambitious.

Final Fantasy VII Remake may yet be the next Versus, but it probably uses an actual decent engine and well I'm pretty confident it will come out.

Dragon Quest Builders might as well be a Square game as it's made internally. It also looks pretty imaginative.

Star Ocean 5 probably belongs on the Enix side and while everything outside of the combat is'nt the most appealing thing it still looks like a non trash console jrpg. Who's to say SE bailed on that Concept Video? This SO looks exactly inline with the rest of the series. That video was the outlier.

I really don't see how Project Setsuna looks as bad as you claim. If anything it simply looked like a high rez BD. Either way, I think it's too early to have that much venom for it.

World of FF-That looks like mobile crap? Ok...

Nier 2-It just got announced and it's by Platnium. They get shit done.

KH3DS-People weren't asking for that in HD? I doubt it. People did'nt want that cliffhanger from BBS Final Mix resolved? Eh I think they asked for these things.

I don't know, all these projects actually look like they are coming together. There's already more console games from them then pretty much the entire PS3 gen. They also all seem like actual projects. These aren't games hiding behind CG trailers in Secret Theaters either. I don't see how you can be down on Square.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on September 15, 2015, 04:39:17 PM
Final Fantasy XV under Nomura was never coming out. Ever. It's been more than a decade. It was as dead as Metal Gear Rising was under Kojima, but he at least had the savvy to realize when a flop was a flop and handed it over to another team that could actually make a game around it. It was on track to being another FF13, a game that had so many concept idea developed for it that they could easily make two more games out of it. Hate Tabata's changes all you want, but he's already put out a demo of a game that we can reasonably expect to play sometime in the future. If it was Nomura, all we'd still have is a single sketch of Notcis' head with a "please look forward to his turn" scribble on it.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: tiesto on September 15, 2015, 05:10:34 PM
Hmm, I haven't sat through the whole conference yet but there's a lot of stuff I'd be down with... honestly a bit disappointed with Setsuna's graphics, especially after it's gorgeous concept art. The in-game graphics look like a generic PC kickstarter indie RPG that "is influenced by Chrono Trigger, Earthbound, and all the RPG classics". But hopefully it turns out cool.

Gravity Rush 2 is a nice surprise, I really liked the original, barring some of the more awkward camera angles and controls. Really imaginative setting that will finally get its due on a console.

The new Vanillaware game looks gorgeous, SO5's environments look really cool (and I love SO), Exist Archive is gonna kick ass, even World of FF looks kawaii desu.

KOFXIV looks pretty shitty, like an early 360 game :( Disappointing since I loved XIII and its art so much.

And also, Project Diva Arcade is coming home! Yessssss!

I'm more bullish on gaming than I have been in years, the only problem is gonna be finding the time to play all these games all while going through my backlog.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: studyguy on September 15, 2015, 06:29:30 PM
Not nearly enough niche, large breasted school girl aged waifus this year for my tastes. How am I supposed to cater to my superior Nihon tastes if they have such a weak offering.

 :expert

I really hope the Yakuza remake comes stateside, but I won't hold my breath.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: bork on September 15, 2015, 06:31:45 PM
2002 UM and XI are pretty good if you ask me. The best of the series pre-XIII.

From a game play standpoint, they're better than XIII.  '98 UM is my favorite, easily.


I don't think SNK has ever been able to do 3d well so based on what 8 secs of footage I'm not surprised it looks kind of bad. I guess it could improve, but XIII looks pretty damn amazing so it's hard to beat. Still, I would have liked some semblance of a style on display there. Zed quailty probably not, but some sort of cel shading. This just looks like random 3d ps2 fighter. They could do better then again there is samurai showdown sen....

Their Maximum Impact games got better with each iteration.  The final one, Regulation A, actually got an arcade release and played quite well.  The thing here is, this new game looks like MI graphically...and that ain't gonna cut it in 2015, seven years later.  That footage may be super early, but that was a fucking embarrassment.   But it could get a lot better.  We also have no idea how it's going to play.  It was just a couple of seconds of footage.  Meanwhile on GAF, I'm seeing final judgements left and right. 

Sen was developed by K2, who did a bunch of Tenchu games.  Interesting fact...K2 was founded by former SNK staff who worked on SS1 and SS2.   :lol :-\
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: studyguy on September 15, 2015, 06:34:24 PM
Do wish they offered another Tenchu game.
Hell I'd take a Shinobido game for that matter.

I'd wish Sandlot would stop dicking around with giant bugs and offer giant robots like they used to back in the day as well. Fuck.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Bebpo on September 15, 2015, 06:35:24 PM
Ok, I was a little harsh there on Square.  Didn't have my coffee this morning.  I guess a lot of there stuff isn't bad it's just that the audience they are making games for now...isn't me.  Like World of FF looks visually like the kind of art style chibi recycled nostalgia stuff I'd expect on mobile and ignore in a heartbeat.  It just feels generic and even the main kids who look like Kingdom Heart rejects look like an attempt to dumb down Nomura looks for a Jr. High School audience.  Same with the Tri-ace big head mode game.  But then there's nothing wrong with aiming at kids/early teens.  That's always going to be the biggest market for the games you are selling.  But as I get older, stuff aimed at kids just doesn't appeal to me.  New FFXV may actually be coming out, but the more I see of it, the less it appeals to me.  I'm also not really a fan of the staff left at SE these days.  For me, good staff gets me more excited than concepts these days and the only staff at SE I like are Nomura, the Osaka KH team, Takeharu Ishimoto, Nojima (freelance), Taro Yoko, and Yuji Horii.  The rest of the guys have let me down enough that their involvement tends to be anti-selling points.   

SE needs to stop talking, stop showing and just release the games to speak for themselves.  If the game quality is good, they'll get me back on board.  Got pretty burned on everything post PS2/PSP days with SE, so it's hard for me to be excited. 
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: studyguy on September 15, 2015, 06:42:42 PM
I can't be arsed to shit on SE for every single supposed misstep against their fans nor can I stand the longwinded shit both SE and their fans post either. Once the game drops, I'll fuck with it if it's decent and not if it sucks. Done. The devs could be in a room nutting all over character designs for 6 years for all I care. Having the fans speculate and criticize every little scrap of info is tiring as fuck.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Mods Help on September 15, 2015, 06:48:15 PM
The funny thing about the people who talk shit about modern square is if you ask them if they've played 1001 deaths or something you'll always get a "nope" or something.

It's like, whatever then dude.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Bebpo on September 15, 2015, 07:52:50 PM
The funny thing about the people who talk shit about modern square is if you ask them if they've played 1001 deaths or something you'll always get a "nope" or something.

It's like, whatever then dude.

They made that?  I thought they just published it.

I guess when I dog on SE it's more about what they make with their thousands of employees and all their own money.  Their publishing stuff like Tri-Ace or some indie stuff like Life is Strange is something I see separately. 
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: chronovore on September 15, 2015, 09:20:17 PM
Gundam VS on Vita - zzzz

What a stupid decision. Sounds like it's single player focused, so hopefully that means Maxi Boost is still coming home soonish.

Gundam Vs. Gundam on Vita?  Fuck yeah.  Especially when it will be "consolized" thanks to the PSTV.

The framerate really chugged along in some parts of the trailer. And just watch it not being compatible with PSTV.

I'd love to see some numbers on PSTV, but I bet it's not driving many port decisions. It most likely will go to PS4 eventually if it hasn't been announced. It's a title that will move several thousand more PSVs though.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: bork on September 15, 2015, 09:45:53 PM
Gundam VS on Vita - zzzz

What a stupid decision. Sounds like it's single player focused, so hopefully that means Maxi Boost is still coming home soonish.

Gundam Vs. Gundam on Vita?  Fuck yeah.  Especially when it will be "consolized" thanks to the PSTV.

The framerate really chugged along in some parts of the trailer. And just watch it not being compatible with PSTV.

Don't see what's stupid about it.  I bet they have a better chance of selling more copies on Vita than they do on PS4.  And they did a great job with earlier ports to the PSP.   The only thing that will be stupid to me is if it doesn't have online play.  That's pretty much inexcusable in this day and age, but well...Japan.

PSTV support is a shoe-in.  Likely with altered controls to take full advantage of PS3/PS4 controllers.  Like I said...consolized.  There are other games that do this as well.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 15, 2015, 10:01:42 PM
So why is'nt KoF14 just XIII with more characters? Is'nt that what people wanted?
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: bork on September 15, 2015, 10:43:29 PM
So why is'nt KoF14 just XIII with more characters? Is'nt that what people wanted?

Maybe they thought those 480P sprites wouldn't look too hot blown up to 1080P?  Or the talent and/or budget to make more sprites is just gone from that company.  Who knows?
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Bebpo on September 15, 2015, 11:17:53 PM
They just got bought by a Chinese company (F2P company?), they have no money for 2d.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 15, 2015, 11:31:28 PM
So why is'nt KoF14 just XIII with more characters? Is'nt that what people wanted?

Maybe they thought those 480P sprites wouldn't look too hot blown up to 1080P?  Or the talent and/or budget to make more sprites is just gone from that company.  Who knows?
XIII looks pretty great on PC. Reusing sprites has never been a problem before.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: bork on September 15, 2015, 11:34:47 PM
They just got bought by a Chinese company (F2P company?), they have no money for 2d.

I thought it was a big company that bought them?
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on September 16, 2015, 03:29:18 AM
World of Tanks announced for PS4

(http://i.imgur.com/vqfeq92.jpg)

Superior version confirmed. :phil
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: bluemax on September 16, 2015, 04:01:44 AM
The most surprising thing is that it is nearly 2016 and people are actively making PSV games that aren't pedo sims.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: VomKriege on September 16, 2015, 04:14:04 AM
Whatever size the new SNK partner is has probably no importance. SNK had a number of partners in the past but the truth is that the gaming division is scraping by and in agony for quite some years, probably since they stopped having a yearly KoF game (2003-2004). For all we know, the new Chinese owners are more interested in the pachinko division, or doing a MMORPG, or mobile games, probably something focused on the asian market. Beyond financing a couple games to keep the franchise alive on its home soil I don't think the plan is to lose a ton of money with games...

KoFXIV has probably been in dev. for some time now, according to rumors. SNK was hiring a few months back (on that title). They may have changed gears during that time.

Who knows why they didn't stayed on XIII path ? Maybe it did cost too much. Maybe the talent left. Maybe they want a faster dev cycle. Maybe someone argued that SNK had to get forward or whatever is left will sink with the 2D ship. Maybe it's F2P. Considering how painful and long it was to get a game at the level with the new sprites, not sure just adding 5 or 7 characters (one or two new teams and a boss...) was going to be an efficient process. After all keep in mind we live in an age where Capcom played it safe on funding Street Fighter 5.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on September 16, 2015, 04:35:27 AM
http://ap.ign.com/m/tgs-2015/92338/news/mobile-suit-gundam-extreme-vs-force-getting-englis?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

Asia version of Gundam Extreme Vs.Force is getting an English localization. Import friendly!
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: bork on September 16, 2015, 07:59:54 AM
http://ap.ign.com/m/tgs-2015/92338/news/mobile-suit-gundam-extreme-vs-force-getting-englis?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

Asia version of Gundam Extreme Vs.Force is getting an English localization. Import friendly!

Will still get the J-version for DLC though.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: thisismyusername on September 16, 2015, 08:48:13 AM
2002 UM and XI are pretty good if you ask me. The best of the series pre-XIII.

From a game play standpoint, they're better than XIII.  '98 UM is my favorite, easily.

Yeah, but 13 is the one that blew up. Not those. I haven't heard people playing '98/'02 tournaments in years. Maybe just around here, but outside of Latin America?
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: VomKriege on September 16, 2015, 09:03:26 AM
UM is a 2008 remake of a 1998 game, I think it would be expected to be somewhat obsolete no matter how good the game is. Esp. since the SNK scene never were that hot in NA, pretty niche in Europe and suffered with the death of arcades.

Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 16, 2015, 10:59:32 AM
The most surprising thing is that it is nearly 2016 and people are actively making PSV games that aren't pedo sims.

All the Gundams are underage. :phil
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: bork on September 16, 2015, 11:41:47 AM
2002 UM and XI are pretty good if you ask me. The best of the series pre-XIII.

From a game play standpoint, they're better than XIII.  '98 UM is my favorite, easily.

Yeah, but 13 is the one that blew up. Not those. I haven't heard people playing '98/'02 tournaments in years. Maybe just around here, but outside of Latin America?

Both UM games were pretty popular in Asia.  Got multiple revisions.  One of the 2002 UM updates was even named after one of the tournaments it was featured at.  Not sure about Latin America.  KOF in the States has never been big.  XIII got a bit popular at some tournaments but pretty much had little in the way of any kind of real popularity here.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: thisismyusername on September 16, 2015, 11:48:46 AM
What I'm getting at is: '13 was played at Evo. I don't recall '98 or '02 ever being played at Evo. That's what I mean by "blew up" '13 seemed to take the traditional Anime game path by having a lot of play/stream time in it for a year and then crashing after that year. Compared to '98 or '02 or earlier title's "Um... what's an X-box?"-type of response.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Take My Breh Away on September 16, 2015, 11:50:08 AM
2002 UM and XI are pretty good if you ask me. The best of the series pre-XIII.

From a game play standpoint, they're better than XIII.  '98 UM is my favorite, easily.

Yeah, but 13 is the one that blew up. Not those. I haven't heard people playing '98/'02 tournaments in years. Maybe just around here, but outside of Latin America?

Both UM games were pretty popular in Asia.  Got multiple revisions.  One of the 2002 UM updates was even named after one of the tournaments it was featured at.  Not sure about Latin America.  KOF in the States has never been big.  XIII got a bit popular at some tournaments but pretty much had little in the way of any kind of real popularity here.

KOF XIII was huge in Mexico and Latin America along with the Southern areas of the FGC. It was also fairly sizeable in Spain, Portugal and France. It got some pretty big years at Evo. 98 UM had a big following there as well though not sure about 2002 UM. The KOF hype is pretty real down there.

(http://i.imgur.com/oPXH2yM.gif)
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: VomKriege on September 16, 2015, 12:14:34 PM
What I'm getting at is: '13 was played at Evo. I don't recall '98 or '02 ever being played at Evo. That's what I mean by "blew up" '13 seemed to take the traditional Anime game path by having a lot of play/stream time in it for a year and then crashing after that year. Compared to '98 or '02 or earlier title's "Um... what's an X-box?"-type of response.

If the Wiki entry is accurate, KoFXIII is the only SNK game to have had official tournaments at EVO despite starting in 2002 when plenty of SNK titles were still relevant and good ports were available on Dreamcast (KoF98 was a bit patchy in silly areas, like the music tracks getting rebooted each round  ::) but starting with 99 the ports were excellent AFAIK). I think that points more to a bias towards SNK, the more patched nature of its fanbase worldwide, technical hurdles, and the inability of SNK to get on the online train than to the games themselves.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Sho Nuff on September 16, 2015, 12:27:47 PM
My intern is a Brazilian guy and is so crazy into KOF. I have no idea why those games were so popular in Brazil
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: VomKriege on September 16, 2015, 12:45:37 PM
My intern is a Brazilian guy and is so crazy into KOF. I have no idea why those games were so popular in Brazil

Probably something to do with the availibility of the machines, and maybe because it was simpler to update to new KoF versions on MVS cabinets than to fetch out for new arcade boards, but I'm speculating here.

Ralf Jones being from Brazil is a pretty common fan belief.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 16, 2015, 12:48:38 PM
you haven't lived till you've gotten your ass handed to you at KOF while in a Mexican arcade. I sirs, have lived.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Tasty on September 16, 2015, 01:29:42 PM
The most surprising thing is that it is nearly 2016 and people are actively making PSV games that aren't pedo sims.

All the Gundams are underage. :phil

Is that why they're all hairless and flat-chested?
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: bork on September 16, 2015, 01:41:56 PM
What I'm getting at is: '13 was played at Evo. I don't recall '98 or '02 ever being played at Evo. That's what I mean by "blew up" '13 seemed to take the traditional Anime game path by having a lot of play/stream time in it for a year and then crashing after that year. Compared to '98 or '02 or earlier title's "Um... what's an X-box?"-type of response.

Right.  It was the only one that got that big in the States, where the game's popularity has always been the lowest.  I would attribute part of that to the game's new look and availability on 360/PS3 at the time.  They were always pretty behind with their previous ports and kept on re-using assets for over a decade with the prior games.

I just wish SNK would try making a new fighting game or bring back another series.  Enough with KOF.  Give me a new Fatal Fury.   :'(
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: brob on September 16, 2015, 03:35:28 PM
last blade  :stahp
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on September 16, 2015, 04:31:35 PM
https://youtube.com/watch?v=9eEmwrahtVs

Ghost in the Shell: First Assault

Looks uh... Interesting.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: brob on September 16, 2015, 04:39:56 PM
looks like a low budget rehash of syndicate.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 16, 2015, 05:46:48 PM
https://youtube.com/watch?v=9eEmwrahtVs

Ghost in the Shell: First Assault

Looks uh... Interesting.

Radioactive :stahp
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Trent Dole on September 16, 2015, 05:52:32 PM
It's been removed. :o
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Rufus on September 16, 2015, 06:01:58 PM
"as a violation of Youtube's policy against spam, scams, and commercially deceptive content."

Whut?
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 16, 2015, 06:17:45 PM
:neogaf
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: mormapope on September 16, 2015, 06:24:35 PM
Garou: Mark of the Wolves is probably my favorite SNK fighter. Feels like its smack dab in the middle of being a King of Fighters styled game and something like Street Fighter.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: brob on September 16, 2015, 06:36:05 PM
I prefer last blade 2, but mark of the wolves is a close second.

late nineties SNK :bow2
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: chronovore on September 16, 2015, 07:05:58 PM
World of Tanks announced for PS4

(http://i.imgur.com/vqfeq92.jpg)

Superior version confirmed. :phil

There are heaps of players on 360 who have probably next-gen'd to PS4. I hope there will be a way to transfer accounts.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: VomKriege on September 16, 2015, 07:06:27 PM
LB2 had phenomenal presentation (the fire bg was insane, as is the desolate battlefield) but fuck that final boss.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Trent Dole on September 17, 2015, 03:29:51 AM
Phantasy Bloom Onbloom 2 PS4 (BLOOM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyKFnrKGslk
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: VomKriege on September 17, 2015, 05:26:27 AM
Because it ain't RE without some shitty live action trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZVy9TgqBRc

The guy doing the split  :dead
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: bork on September 17, 2015, 07:08:08 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPDlHu0UkAAzFTj.png)
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on September 17, 2015, 10:44:06 AM
Yoru no nai Kuni (PS4 only) and Samurai Warriors 4 Empires getting early 2016 localizations.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: VomKriege on September 17, 2015, 11:27:35 AM
(http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2015/38/1442500479-tlg.gif)
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: thisismyusername on September 17, 2015, 12:00:07 PM
Because it ain't RE without some shitty live action trailer.

The guy doing the split  :dead

That first movie's "T-virus" being used. :dead

The sets look pretty good at least. :doge
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Yulwei on September 17, 2015, 12:39:32 PM
what the hell Star Ocean 5 actually looks pretty good
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: demi on September 17, 2015, 01:12:39 PM
STAR OCEAN 2016
PERSONA 2016
FINAL FANTASY 2016

O M G JAPAN RULES
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: tiesto on September 17, 2015, 01:44:46 PM
STAR OCEAN 2016
PERSONA 2016
FINAL FANTASY 2016

O M G JAPAN RULES

And DQXI and (hopefully) Ys!
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Positive Touch on September 17, 2015, 02:18:49 PM
i am SO ready for Japan to make a comeback in western markets
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 17, 2015, 03:53:31 PM
i am SO ready for Japan to make a comeback in western markets
the PS4 kicking ass in Japan and the rest of the world is one of the most promising developments in recent years.
(waits patiently to pre-order NIOH)
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: suppadoopa on September 17, 2015, 04:12:05 PM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Regarding Gravity Daze - it might be digital only in the states - SCEE is considering a physical copy though for the europoors though
[close]

/le insider face
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 17, 2015, 05:23:25 PM
If so hopefully I can just import. Tired of no physical copies of mid sized exclusive games from the actual console manufacture.

I like having physical copies because well I do like to collect games, but even now it's easier for "pick up and play".  Every so often I may want to play DMC4 special edition. While I had to delete it off my HDD for space, I can still quickly put in the disk and have it install which doesn't take that long. Much less time than having do download the game.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Take My Breh Away on September 17, 2015, 06:42:58 PM
Spare a thought for European Atlus fans as they are fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked. There's no way in hell they are getting a release of Persona 5 in Europe in 2016 unless SCEE splashes out for an expensive localization.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: brob on September 17, 2015, 07:01:43 PM
:'(
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Kara on September 18, 2015, 05:30:39 PM
Uh

I mean

KOF02UM totally sucks. Baka.

:expert

I'm not supposed to have right or ethical opinions. That's not what this alt is for!!!! :brazilcry

Winning the Game of Thrones. :rejoice
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: VomKriege on September 19, 2015, 04:50:01 AM
FFXV :

(https://d.maxfile.ro/xlqtmimdnd.gif)

(https://d.maxfile.ro/birgayrtxf.gif)

 :idont
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Tasty on September 19, 2015, 03:45:28 PM
Goddamn that looks boss as hell.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Rufus on September 19, 2015, 05:45:35 PM
So this is what happens when you kick Nomura to the curb. Hope he's not involved with the FF7 remake.
Isn't that already confirmed? I mean him being involved.

Yeah, here we go:
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/final-fantasy-7-remakes-dramatic-changes-to-combat/1100-6429330/
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on September 19, 2015, 05:49:16 PM
Nomura's only really working on FF7 Remake right now. XV got handed to Tabata, and KH3 is being developed by the Osaka team and co-directed by Tai Yasue (which also get things done).

I'd like to think Nomura can get things done when focused on one project as opposed to having his hands on every aspect of the company.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Rufus on September 19, 2015, 05:52:19 PM
Or they're giving him the least pressing project to dick around with while they clean up his other messes. :doge
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: mormapope on September 19, 2015, 06:59:41 PM
I wouldn't pin that much shit on the dude. For whatever reason Square Enix dudes kept the Versus project sorta alive for way too long. That company had a lot more problems besides that one game, and Nomura has mainly been producing/directing a bunch of handheld shit for the past five years based on wikipedia.

Releasing two sequels to Final Fantasy XIII, releasing a botched as fuck MMO (that got rereleased and now hasn't been ass), keeping Kingdom Hearts in the handheld ghetto, doing nothing with a huge library of IPs. Versus was just a huge, stinky cherry on a shit sundae.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Mods Help on September 19, 2015, 08:41:42 PM
That's a bad argument considering FF7 remake is as important if not more important than XV.

Nomura being given that project speaks a lot.

FF5 and 6 next.

Looking forward to importing FFXV.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Mods Help on September 19, 2015, 09:59:21 PM

FFXV :

(https://d.maxfile.ro/xlqtmimdnd.gif)

(https://d.maxfile.ro/birgayrtxf.gif)

 :idont

Since the people on this forum don't know how to link and assume everyone reads NeoSHIT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zqxNNkSPa0&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Rufus on September 19, 2015, 10:02:07 PM
That's a bad argument considering FF7 remake is as important if not more important than XV.
Presseing, as in, get it the fuck done already.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Mods Help on September 19, 2015, 10:05:13 PM
The FFXV video is good but not worth the hyperbole on this page about no Nomura. They're riiding chocobos and fishing, so what. Looks good but like, every FF has the former, and fishing should have been in FF  a long time ago, so it's a pretty big "whatever".
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on September 19, 2015, 10:20:28 PM
I don't see what's hyperbolic about saying that XV without Nomura has produced more tangible results than a whole decade of fake trailers and zero playable game stuff.  :yeshrug
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Mods Help on September 19, 2015, 11:51:04 PM
Nope, it came off as "well this looks exceptional and without Nomura's help" rather than "wow it's an actual game now" because there's nothing in that gif of video that conjures up some of the reactions to the point where people are like,"I hope Nomura isn't doing anything related to anything final fantasy" when the entire last generation of FF was one failed experiment after the other and wasn't entirely on Nomura. It is hyperbole, especially you have footage of characters riding Chocobo's, a standard FF feature, and the reaction is "this is what happens when Nomura isn't on the project".
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Kara on September 20, 2015, 12:29:49 AM
Belts help
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: thisismyusername on September 20, 2015, 12:58:21 AM
Nope, it came off as "well this looks exceptional and without Nomura's help" rather than "wow it's an actual game now" because there's nothing in that gif of video that conjures up some of the reactions to the point where people are like,"I hope Nomura isn't doing anything related to anything final fantasy" when the entire last generation of FF was one failed experiment after the other and wasn't entirely on Nomura. It is hyperbole, especially you have footage of characters riding Chocobo's, a standard FF feature, and the reaction is "this is what happens when Nomura isn't on the project".

Except three of those four "failed experiments" came out within 5 years or so. Can you say the same for Nomura's output? :doge

See, FF14 may have flopped hard. But it came out, flopped. Square panic-moded to where the game ACTUALLY BECAME GOOD from them putting a ton of work in. FFAgito13--er--"Type-0" came out, may not be everyones cup of tea but came out.

FF13? Everyone but a vocal minority dislikes it, but it came out.

FFvs13--er--"15?" *tumbleweeds*

It's no wonder Nomura has been kicked off the FFvs13 and Kingdom Hearts 3 teams. He doesn't have a time-table for his projects to reasonably come out. So, if you want me to say it: "I hope Nomura isn't doing anything related to anything Final Fantasy." Because instead of waiting ten years under his directorship, at least his art-design will be made and done within two-three years.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Mods Help on September 20, 2015, 02:54:43 AM
"they came out" is a pretty bad reasoning given ff13 needed three games just recoup costs. either way, square sucked last generation in general, and dumping it all on nomura doesn't really seem fair in the least especially in regards to a company that released cockadookie like ff14 og.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: mormapope on September 20, 2015, 05:50:22 AM
*Misread a point about FFXIII.

If we're talking about raw output and quality, Square Enix dropped the ball extraordinarily compared to the PS2 gen. Look at everything that doesn't involve Nomura, and it becomes apparent that Square Enix has had some really weird bullshit happening on all fronts.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: mormapope on September 20, 2015, 05:56:49 AM
I don't think the guy is hot shit and that FFXV needed his vision or that he still should be working on the game, but you have to remember that upper management let the dude fuck around with something for some amount of time. There is no way that shit was constantly in development for ten years, Versus was touch and go for its entire lifetime.

Metal Gear Rising could've stayed in development hell if Kojima or whomever never pulled the plug on something that never really existed. Versus should've been canned or have a creative direction change five years ago.
Except three of those four "failed experiments" came out within 5 years or so. Can you say the same for Nomura's output? :doge

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetsuya_Nomura

If you look at his output up until FFXIII, the dude directed and produced a bunch of shit during the PS2 gen. He was able to push games out of the door pretty quickly for six or so years.


Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: thisismyusername on September 20, 2015, 10:15:03 AM
"they came out" is a pretty bad reasoning given ff13 needed three games just recoup costs.

Because of how long it took FFvs13 and 14 to come out. 13 came out, wasn't a complete shitshow and made some money back. But 14 bled them hard. Do you remember they had to redesign the entire thing to "save face" and not leave the thing to die as a 14-million (or whatever the dev cost for 1.0) flop?

If you look at his output up until FFXIII, the dude directed and produced a bunch of shit during the PS2 gen. He was able to push games out of the door pretty quickly for six or so years.

And then he burned out because he was working on nearly every Square product in the company. Either as an artist, as a supervisor, a writer, or all the above. It happens to everyone that gets overloaded.

He's better when he only has to manage ONE project. But even then he had to deal with Square wanting to use a non-Middleware engine for the "13 mythos"/Crystal Tools. Part of the blame is on Square for that. Majority of the blame is on him for not getting more than 2-5 screenshots and like 2-3 trailers out within 10 years. Especially after FF13 launched, there should've been a "all-hands-on-deck" moment where they were pushing to at least get a vs13 demo out to the public so people would stop saying it's vaporware, but they didn't.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Trent Dole on September 20, 2015, 01:42:39 PM
lol ff
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: chronovore on September 21, 2015, 01:04:15 AM
i am SO ready for Japan to make a comeback in western markets

Enjoy the wait!
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Bebpo on September 21, 2015, 02:08:30 AM
heheehehehehehehehe

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I wasn't going to say anything  :shh
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Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Positive Touch on September 21, 2015, 10:43:25 AM
you guys.... why........ :stahp
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: tiesto on September 21, 2015, 02:17:01 PM
I think they're already coming back, a bit. Instead of shooting for the moon and missing, JP companies are slowly starting to come around to satisfying their overseas consumers and have more reasonable sales expectations.

And even though Japan has a hardon for mobile, the amount of upcoming games that appeal to me is probably the most in a decade.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: Mr. Gundam on September 21, 2015, 03:52:10 PM
I think they're already coming back, a bit. Instead of shooting for the moon and missing, JP companies are slowly starting to come around to satisfying their overseas consumers and have more reasonable sales expectations.

And even though Japan has a hardon for mobile, the amount of upcoming games that appeal to me is probably the most in a decade.

Aside from the lack of a new Gundam title on the PS4, I'm seriously impressed with what's coming from Japanese developers.
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: suppadoopa on October 27, 2015, 07:13:29 PM
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Regarding Gravity Daze - it might be digital only in the states - SCEE is considering a physical copy though for the europoors though
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/le insider face

yeee digital onry confirmed


importan here i come
Title: Re: Tokyo Game Show 2015
Post by: chronovore on October 27, 2015, 08:39:57 PM
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Regarding Gravity Daze - it might be digital only in the states - SCEE is considering a physical copy though for the europoors though
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/le insider face

yeee digital onry confirmed


importan here i come

You're using a Japanese PSN account for the store? If you need help with J-store PSN credit, let me know and we can work out something.