Looks like it might be a coordinated attack on multiple targets according to Twitter activity (nothing confirmed so far.)
Stay safe VomKriege.
That's interesting to know. Fox News seems in a rush to broadcast anything they hear.
People inside the Bataclan urging on social media for an assault, shooters killing "everyone".
People inside the Bataclan urging on social media for an assault, shooters killing "everyone".
Fucking hell.
Fuck me, my friend's restaurant is right by one of the shootings. They shot out his windows but everyone inside was safe, but he's saying there's bodies all over the street.
Sorry, I'm not thinking perfectly clear. It was one person and of course it is hard to vouch for authenticity and accuracy.
This is kind of the worst fear I had about the evolution of terrorism in the West. Big operations like 9/11 are impressive, but if you don't live in NYC or work in a skyscraper, it doesn't really affect your ability to continue with your daily life. And they take years and years of planning, making it more likely to be discovered before it can be carried out. But multiple simultaneous assaults by two or three armed people on soft targets [cafes, concert halls, stadiums, ect.] where large groups of people congregate is going to have a serious impact on the entire city of Paris and it's going to be a long while before people feel truly safe just going about their lives.
Thoughts and prayers to everybody in Paris. Stay safe.
Probable very heavy casualties at the Bataclan.
Probable very heavy casualties at the Bataclan.
Police are saying 100 dead there now.
https://twitter.com/afpfr/status/665321243889893376
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11995227/Paris-shooting-Many-feared-dead-live.html
Supposedly one of the terrorists at the bataclan said this was for Syria.
I almost went this summer and was planning on going next summer. Now I don't know. :-\ I'm such a fucking coward.
I almost went this summer and was planning on going next summer. Now I don't know. :-\ I'm such a fucking coward.
Don't you fucking dare change your plans according to this attack.
You're from Boston, right? Did the 2013 Boston Marathon bombing stop you from spending time in the city afterwards? No? Then don't you treat this any differently. :punch
Are you André Masséna or are you the Marquis de Bouillé, Andy-kun? SMGDH, allez with you.
This is fucking me up right now. A lot of scales will have been tipped a certain way today. Not looking forward to the next couple of years.
I feel like (re-)learning French.
If I met this writer in person he would no longer have teeth.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/427064/paris-terror-attacks-long-war-continues (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/427064/paris-terror-attacks-long-war-continues)
“Allahu Akbar!” cried the jihadists as they killed innocent after French innocent. The commentators told us it means “God is great.” But it doesn’t. It means “Allah is greater!” It is a comparative, a cry of combative aggression: “Our God is mightier than yours.”
I mean I'm not trying to sound imperialist at all. But this shit has gotta stop.
Goddamn it. How long are are we, as the strongest nation on the plant, going to let this go on?
Goddamn it. How long are are we, as the strongest nation on the plant, going to let this go on?
Keep bombing weddings and hospitals, I'm sure their recruiting ranks will thin out eventually :doge
Edit: According to blood donation guidelines, gays are in effect banned from it. Apparently common in many western countries. What the fuck is this shit.
Edit: According to blood donation guidelines, gays are in effect banned from it. Apparently common in many western countries. What the fuck is this shit.
Yeah, the French law is lifetime ban if you've had man-on-man sexual relations, right? The EU court has declared that this is a-ok for member states too http://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2015-04/cp150046en.pdf (http://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2015-04/cp150046en.pdf)
Edit: According to blood donation guidelines, gays are in effect banned from it. Apparently common in many western countries. What the fuck is this shit.
Yeah, the French law is lifetime ban if you've had man-on-man sexual relations, right? The EU court has declared that this is a-ok for member states too http://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2015-04/cp150046en.pdf (http://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2015-04/cp150046en.pdf)
Not sure of the exact law, but the FAQ mentioned a total impossibility. At the very least way more stringent conditions making it close to impossible.
A guy on GAF pointed out that there was some real medical statistics to back that decision. I guess ultimately, normalized (instead of clandestine or fringe) gay relationships will dull most of that statistical risk. Still sounds a bit fucked up on the face of it.
That fucking gaf thread
Get this blood drive bullshit the fuck out of these threads. Now is not the time to be arguing for gay rights, Jesus Christ, a lot of people died for a fictional God today, have some respect.
Don't want to be apologetic for those screw ups or a state of permanent war without any borders, but I think it would be a bit foolish to dismiss the efficiency of armed action. War can be a totally apt way of destroying or at the very least suppressing hostile groups long enough to work some sort of political solution. There is no automatic correlation and automatism between repression and enemy recruitment, even if of course you must strategize to minimize that factor. Western military doctrine may struggle with "irregular warfare" but the truth is that some counter insurgencies (Western led or not) did in fact succeed.
Not sure of the exact law, but the FAQ mentioned a total impossibility. At the very least way more stringent conditions making it close to impossible.
A guy on GAF pointed out that there was some real medical statistics to back that decision. I guess ultimately, normalized (instead of clandestine or fringe) gay relationships will dull most of that statistical risk. Still sounds a bit fucked up on the face of it.
Seven of the Paris attackers died in suicide bombings, and an eighth was shot by police. Officials say accomplices may still be at large.
From NYT:QuoteSeven of the Paris attackers died in suicide bombings, and an eighth was shot by police. Officials say accomplices may still be at large.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/14/world/europe/paris-attacks-what-we-know-and-dont-know.html
Seven died in suicide bombings? Where were these bombings?
From NYT:QuoteSeven of the Paris attackers died in suicide bombings, and an eighth was shot by police. Officials say accomplices may still be at large.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/14/world/europe/paris-attacks-what-we-know-and-dont-know.html
Seven died in suicide bombings? Where were these bombings?
Thought a couple were outside the football stadium, you can even hear the booms in the game feed.
What's the chance that France brings NATO into Syria for this?
Ya that's what I was thinking too. And can we go into Syria without also going into Iraq? Also with Russia, Syria and NATO would be pretty scary. Sounds like another shitty decade a head of us.What's the chance that France brings NATO into Syria for this?
I think that's the big question right now. Hollande's speech seemed to be a precursor to invoking Article 5. "Act of war [...] jihadist army [...] organized from abroad," etc. The US did after 9/11 resulting in the 13 year commitment of ISAF in Afghanistan.
A friend of a friend was killed at Le Bataclan. Not a happy morning.Yikes, sorry to hear that for your friend. :(
Not to pit one tragedy against another tragedy but for what its worth there were also bombings in Beirut yesterday.Yeah, I saw that. Some of my more contrarian friends are posting Woe Unto the World because Paris is getting all the attention, but Beirut isn't being mentioned. I haven't figured out how to politely say, "Well, bombings in Paris are still an unusual event."
http://www.elephantjournal.com/2015/11/lets-pray-for-beirut-the-same-way-were-praying-for-paris/
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34805466
A friend of a friend was killed at Le Bataclan. Not a happy morning.
on the misinformation front: http://www.buzzfeed.com/ellievhall/gamergate-photoshopped-a-canadian-sikh-man-to-make-him-seem?utm_term=.om0wZWOdv#.hcvzLgBMEJesus Christ. GamerGate is fucking garbage.
:nintendo
I am valuable, and rad.
Gonna be fun in 15-20 years when demand for oil plummets and Saudi is left without a foot to stand on. :doge
I'm going to assume the CIA has more info than Anonymous could possibly obtain...but if they want to expose members n shit that's fine I guess.
We already know they're selling oil and they're probably selling military equipment too.
My fellow conservatives are really pissing me off. Here's a few things I feel like need to be said
"Let's just go bomb them back to the stone age" Okay, but this is a lot like pouring gasoline down an ant hill. The minute you set it on fire the buggers will crawl out of 30 different holes you didn't know about.
"Let's BAN refugees, period" This is EXACTLY what ISIL wants you to do, hence the fake passports. They want these people back home where they can hang them and put them in mass graves for violating the set way of life with their western standards.
"OMG we're doomed" France will survive. Israel has survived. We survived. Don't let these people change your way of life or they win.
So what do we do AiA?
We do what we should have done 30 years ago. Single out the Saudi's who are funding these operations (and trust me, it's saudi's) and cut their financial head off. Eliminate their oil sales and oil fields, and combat their idiocy with education. That's about all we can do.
Oh outside of ***gasp actively partnering with Iran (the enemy of my enemy is my friend) but we can never let that happen....stupid
Hopefully Anonymous does some real good here and gets some inside details as to their power structure and how they obtain funding. That would be very valuable intel....much more valuable that bombing Jihad Johnnie and then being told you missed :snoop
Hopefully Anonymous does some real good here and gets some inside details as to their power structure and how they obtain funding. That would be very valuable intel....much more valuable that bombing Jihad Johnnie and then being told you missed :snoop
:lol. :lol. :lol
You're a funny man, AiA.
Glad you're safe, VK.
I say this considering they know we have satellites that can pick us a gnat's ass on a BMW going 50 mile per hour. And thy know we are more than capable of electronic surveillance as well.
Siemens technology was a big part of the Iranian nuclear program iirc from what I read about the Stuxnet scandal.
Siemens technology was a big part of the Iranian nuclear program iirc from what I read about the Stuxnet scandal.
I say this considering they know we have satellites that can pick us a gnat's ass on a BMW going 50 mile per hour. And thy know we are more than capable of electronic surveillance as well.
I know that was hyperbole, but this is actually physically impossible. You can't have (high orbiting) satellites that can read license plates either. This is a great read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physics_for_Future_Presidents
Well now they have officially threatened Washington DC. Your move, Obama.
All sorts of crazy rumors out of Hannover. Only certain thing is that the football game was canceled and stadium evacuated because of a threat deemed serious.The police apparently found a car bomb disguised as a rescue vehicle for the stadium. Not sure if this is 100% confirmed though.
If you want to live in an area with minimal threat of terrorism I would suggest Ireland.
The Charles de Gaulle carrier has left Toulon this morning.
International politics are the biggest sausage factory of them all.
If you want to live in an area with minimal threat of terrorism I would suggest Ireland.
:dead
To bad we don't have a priest emoticon to shield the :dead one.
The Charles de Gaulle carrier has left Toulon this morning.
International politics are the biggest sausage factory of them all.
I ment those ones Russia ordered
Russian ordinance is way behind the US in "smart" guidance too.
As with the 2004 Madrid train bombings and the 2005 London Underground bombings, what seems to be emerging from the fragmentary reports so far is that the Paris attacks were carried out by a loose network of family, friends, and fellow travelers who may have each followed their own, somewhat independent paths to radical Islam before joining up with ISIS. But their closely coordinated actions at multiple sites in Paris indicate a significant degree of training, collective planning, and command and control by the Islamic State (including via encrypted messages), under the likely direction of Abdelhamid Abaooud, known as Abu Omar, “The Belgian,” a twenty-seven-year-old of Moroccan origin from Molenbeek, a former jail mate of Salah Abdelslam, who is known to have traveled back and forth between Europe and the Middle East.
Such coordination has been facilitated by the very large contingent of French foreign fighters in Syria. In April, French Senator Jean-Pierre Suer said that 1,430 men and women from France had made their way to Iraq and Syria, up from just twenty as of 2012. About 20 percent of these people are converts. The latest report from West Point’s Center for Combating Terrorism, which has detailed records on 182 French fighters, notes that most are in their twenties. About 25 percent come from the Paris area, with the rest scattered over smaller regions throughout France. According to France’s Interior Ministry, 571 French citizens or residents are presently in Syria and Iraq, some with al-Qaeda affiliate Jabhat an-Nusra, but most with ISIS. More than 260 people are known to have returned to France, and more than 2,000 people from France have been directly implicated in the jihadi pipeline to and from the region, which extends across Europe: police have already made arrests in Belgium and Germany related to the Paris attacks, and traced the entry into Europe of one of the attackers, a Syrian national, through Greece.
French counterterrorism surveillance data (FSPRT) has identified 11,400 radical Islamists, 25 percent of whom are women and 16 percent minors—among the minors, females are in a majority. Legal proceedings are now underway against 646 people suspected of involvement in terrorist activity. French Prime Minister Manuel Valls conceded after Friday’s attacks that even keeping full track of those suspected of being prone to violent acts is practically impossible: around-the-clock surveillance of a single individual requires ten to twenty security agents, of which there are only 6,500 for all of France.
Nor is it a matter of controlling the flow of people into France. France’s Center for the Prevention of Sectarian Drift Related to Islam (CPDSI) estimates that 90 percent of French citizens who have radical Islamist beliefs have French grandparents and 80 percent come from non-religious families. In fact, most Europeans who are drawn into jihad are “born again” into radical religion by their social peers. In France, and in Europe more generally, more than three of every four recruits join the Islamic State together with friends, while only one in five do so with family members and very few through direct recruitment by strangers. Many of these young people identify with neither the country their parents come from nor the country in which they live. Other identities are weak and non-motivating. One woman in the Paris suburb of Clichy-sous-Bois described her conversion as being like that of a transgender person who opts out of the gender assigned at birth: “I was like a Muslim trapped in a Christian body,” she said. She believed she was only able to live fully as a Muslim with dignity in the Islamic State.
For others who have struggled to find meaning in their lives, ISIS is a thrilling cause and call to action that promises glory and esteem in the eyes of friends, and through friends, eternal respect and remembrance in the wider world that many of them will never live to enjoy. A July 2014 poll by ICM Research suggested that more than one in four French youth of all creeds between the ages of eighteen and twenty-four have a favorable or very favorable opinion of ISIS. Even if these estimates are high, in our own interviews with young people in the vast and soulless housing projects of the Paris banlieues we found surprisingly wide tolerance or support for ISIS among young people who want to be rebels with a cause—who want, as they see it, to defend the oppressed.
you can't argue against stupidity, that's absolutely true :doge
such searing insight comes only from decades of special forces training :doge
I mean my uncle who was special forces longer than any of us have been alive said the Internet has made everybody a threat. Can't argue with that logicYup, this is definitely an AiA post.
Belgian ministers (Vice-PM and Interior) confirmed on TV that they are looking for multiple men.
Apparently the police in France can conduct warrantless searches atm. And months from now (approximately 3) too. :holeup
Apparently the police in France can conduct warrantless searches atm. And months from now (approximately 3) too. :holeup
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/01/world/europe/how-the-paris-attackers-honed-their-assault-through-trial-and-error.html
A surprising lack of coordination and consequences. At every turn, pretty much.
And we still seem to think that collecting more data will solve these problems.
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/672374708982140928
...I don't even know. Are they that scared of LePen? That can't be it, can it?
"We're in the business of killing terrorists and business is good," Air Force Secretary Deborah Lee James said in statement.