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Title: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: benjipwns on December 09, 2015, 11:03:34 AM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/08/james-deen-breaks-his-silence-i-am-completely-baffled.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/08/james-deen-breaks-his-silence-i-am-completely-baffled.html)

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After a lengthy back-and-forth with James Deen’s publicist and lawyer, the embattled porn star agreed to an interview by email with Aurora Snow of The Daily Beast—and only on the condition that the interview be published in its entirety. 

Nine women so far have come forward with allegations of sexual abuse and/or assault at the hands of Deen. Stoya, a fellow adult film star and ex-girlfriend of Deen’s, was the first to accuse him publicly, tweeting on Nov. 28: “James Deen held me down and fucked me while I said no, stop, used my safeword. I just can’t nod and smile when people bring him up anymore.”

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Here, James Deen breaks his silence.
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GQ once labeled you “the well-hung boy next door” and you’ve had a squeaky clean public image until now. Personally speaking, you’ve always been very kind and professional to me on set. I was shocked by the allegations against you, but as you know these kinds of allegations are difficult to dismiss.

I honestly am shocked as well. I am extremely happy to hear that you have always had good and respectful experiences with me.

Let’s start right from the beginning. On Nov. 28, Stoya tweeted: “James Deen held me down and fucked me while I said no, stop, used my safeword. I just can’t nod and smile when people bring him up anymore.” Why would your ex and former scene partner claim such a thing?

I do not know at all. I am completely baffled. I also can’t speak to her motivations. There are public articles all over the internet, written by her, that make the exact opposite claims. She discusses how we communicated and how we were very careful with consent especially when involved with rough sex. What I do know is that Stoya and I did not have a clean break up. It was pretty messy, full of a lot of emotions and both Stoya and I are to blame for that. She made threats towards me and harassed one of my employees. She spit at this employee as well as sending very inappropriate texts. I have spent this past week terrified and confused so I can’t help but run through the details of our relationship in my head. The reason Stoya made this claim could be as simple as her finding out that my current girlfriend and I are moving in together. We have mutual friends, one of our friends notified Stoya of this information. It could be as calculated as Stoya trying to drive traffic to her website. Which I have to say is very well done and I am proud to have the movie I produced for her up on the site, but the same day this happened she pinned a tweet about her site that just so happened to have an update with me in it right above this madness. I can’t speak to her reasoning or motivations.

After Stoya made her shocking allegations on Twitter, Tori Lux issued a written statement claiming you assaulted her. Tori claims she gave a firm “no” and then “[James Deen] proceeded to straddle my chest, pinning down my arms with his knees. Then, he raised his hand high above his head, swinging it down and hitting me in the face and head with an open palm. He did this five or six times—hard—before finally getting off of me.” What happened on that set?

I can safely say that did not happen. All of the accusations are from either ex-girlfriends or events that happened on set. I always try to take responsibility for my actions and apologize when needed. As far as these other claims, at a certain point I feel like people have to step back and analyze this stuff in context. Most of these are descriptions of things on BDSM or rough sex sets. When I am on set I am under instruction of the company who is paying me. I could describe the events of the scene I was in the other day and it could be just as dramatic. I have no desire to blame people who consider themselves victims or throw stones. I will just say this: my job as a performer for rough sex companies is to engage in certain acts. If at any point I pushed boundaries past the point of comfort, I am sorry. I have always tried to respect peoples’ limits and safe words and operated within that space. If someone expressed anything to me I honored the request with the fullest care.
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You’ve said on Twitter that you “respect women” and “know and respect limits both professionally and privately.” While that has been my own experience with you, it does beg the question: why are so many women now claiming that you did not respect their limits?

Until recently, I had no knowledge that any limits or boundaries were considered violated. Some of these women and I have remained friends with no mention of this until now. As far as why they are coming forward, I have heard many stories from many different performers who have engaged in all sorts of various acts and then after either retiring, taking a break, or slowing down in the adult industry, change their desires and perceptions about things that have happened in the past. I HATE the idea that something a performer experienced would ever be a thing they regretted or that they considered a violation after the fact. I don’t want to blame other people, especially the victim, but if people don’t communicate things when they’re happening then it is not possible to honor retroactive boundaries.

A number of women claim they’ve said “no” and you continued anyway. What kind of misunderstanding is happening?

The claims are inaccurate or out of context.

The most recent allegation is from Nicki Blue. She told the Daily Mail, “I started giving him [oral sex]. It was nice at first, then it got really rough. I kept trying to pull my head up to say something, it was too rough… he would just push my head back in so I was choking and I couldn’t say anything… As he was doing it—this is the embarrassing part and why I didn’t say anything—he said, ‘Oh my God, I have to go to the bathroom,’ and he pissed in my mouth.” Will you give me your account of this?

There is photographic evidence that was posted on her own Tumblr page showing other employees of Kink.com performing these acts on her. Specifically, a director/pro dom and the former head of their marketing department. I know I sound like a broken record saying over and over again that things are inaccurate or untrue, but when there is photo or video evidence contradicting this stuff it is hard to not be a little defensive.
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Do you think there is a misunderstanding happening somewhere, a breakdown in communication between you and the accusers? And what are those misunderstandings, if any?

From everything I am reading it seems as if things are being distorted by the press or are inaccurate. I do believe there is pressure on sets for people to perform in certain ways that they may later regret. I do believe the adult industry needs a better structure for preventing and reporting on set misconduct. I do also believe that people need to take responsibility for their own actions. There was a site I did multiple scenes for that was extremely rough. I started to hear a lot of negative comments from a lot of people about their feelings after the scenes. I felt the site gave the wrong message and was handled incorrectly. It was extremely violent sex dictated by the company. I felt uncomfortable, so I quit working for the site. I don’t remember communication breakdowns. 
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Why do you think all of these allegations are just now coming to light?

Multiple women have told me journalists have offered them up to five thousand dollars for stories about me. Any description of a porn scene can be made to sound sensational. Again, I’m not blaming the victim and if anything ever happened that was over the line I want to apologize and ensure that when communicated these things DO NOT HAPPEN. At this point I am just waiting for everyone who has ever disliked me ever from my entire life to come out with some extreme story or interpretation of how horrible I am. Like I said, I have never claimed to be a feminist or a nice guy, or the boy next door or anything like that. I am a pornographer. It’s all I ever wanted to be. I believe in respect and equality and doing unto others but that does not make me anything more than a pornographer who believes in these values.

Several companies were quick to sever ties with you when these allegations surfaced. How do you feel about that?

I hate to throw stones but at this point, fuck it. I fired Evil Angel over a year ago. I had to have my lawyer contact them multiple times to stop them from distributing my product. The idea that they stopped doing anything is ridiculous. As far as Kink.com goes, there are plenty of issues there that have been well-documented in the media. I am an easy place to place the blame for their own issues.

Considering the allegations, what are your regrets?

I have very few regrets. I love my job and I pride myself in what I do. I won’t throw my ex-girlfriends under a metaphorical bus because I made the choice to date them. I know what I did and what I didn’t do. My family and the people who know me don’t care about this because they know it is untrue and ridiculous. I started in this business when I was 18 years old. People have watched me grow up in it. They have seen me change from an irresponsible arrogant child to a more responsible, less arrogant man-child, to an ideological still-kinda-arrogant almost 30-year-old man-type person. I admit I was an immature jerk. I admit I pissed off a lot of people.

On Twitter, you’ve claimed, “These allegations are both false and defamatory.” How do you intend to try and set the record straight?

Well, to begin with, I’m answering your questions. Secondly, I’m not going to play whack-a-mole with every accusation and do to their reputations what they are trying to do to mine. I know some people will understand me and what I’m saying, and some may be offended by it and say even worse things as a result. We live in a world where accusations get great attention and no one really seems to want to get the truth. I’m in porn, and when you take porn activity into polite society it sounds really twisted. The media needs stories and I can see how this is one hell of a story. And finally, I want to remind people that I am not the subject of any lawsuits, I am not under criminal investigation, and at this moment I have no intention of filing defamation suits against false accusations.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: benjipwns on December 09, 2015, 11:10:33 AM
And mistreatment of women ended forever.

The End.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Steve Contra on December 09, 2015, 11:21:03 AM
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Personally speaking, you’ve always been very kind and professional to me on set. I was shocked by the allegations against you

What a great way to start an interview.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: octopushover on December 09, 2015, 11:30:43 AM
Aurora Snow was licking his balls from the start of that interview. Which...well...I guess we shouldn't be surprised.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 09, 2015, 11:44:21 AM
Aurora Snow is in my top 5.

Anyway I don't think it's out of bounds for her to mention she's had multiple experiences/scenes with him and nothing bad happened. It stands to reason he's had many scenes with women that went well. That doesn't ex use him for allegedly raping others. And to be honest his defense of himself is pretty damn weak. Sounds like lawyer talk.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: octopushover on December 09, 2015, 11:47:31 AM
There are too many women coming forward for it to be some kind of misunderstanding.

It comes down to basically two possibilities: 1) he's a clueless idiot that had his idea of sexual consent warped by the porn industry; or 2) he's a sociopath who used his boy-next-door persona to gain women's trust (and possibly initial consent) and then took things way past the line.


Either way it's rape.  :wag
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: benjipwns on December 09, 2015, 11:49:29 AM
Uh, no, as he clearly states he heard from someone that the dirty lying whores are getting paid $5000+ to makes accusations about him just to drive up hits.

Plus he's moving in with a new girlfriend. And Stoya's trying to drive hits to her site as revenge.

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the same day this happened she pinned a tweet about her site that just so happened to have an update with me in it right above this madness
smoking gun right there

Also, he's not being sued or criminally charged. QED.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 09, 2015, 11:53:19 AM
Don't involve yourself in the lives of damaged people. It never ends well.

Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 09, 2015, 11:54:10 AM
Bill Cosby vindicated, now I can watch Ghost Dad without guilt.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: octopushover on December 09, 2015, 12:01:56 PM
Bill Cosby vindicated, now I can watch Ghost Dad without guilt.

and masturbate to it?  :phil
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 09, 2015, 12:07:18 PM
You can see the Lily LaBeau scene, so her story checks out.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 09, 2015, 12:14:31 PM
Bill Cosby vindicated, now I can watch Ghost Dad without guilt.

and masturbate to it?  :phil

Gross. I only watch the Sidney Poitier/Bill Cosby Quadrillogy purely for the love of cinema.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Steve Contra on December 09, 2015, 12:29:43 PM
Anyway I don't think it's out of bounds for her to mention she's had multiple experiences/scenes with him and nothing bad happened.
The point is she should have never been doing the interview in the first place.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: benjipwns on December 09, 2015, 12:34:25 PM
Was probably the only way to get him to give any kind of public comment.

And now we know there's no fire to the smoke and that he'd never do anything like that. Case closed. Another feminazi plot foiled just in time.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: octopushover on December 09, 2015, 12:40:09 PM
just once i'd like to hear a rapist's first comments be something like "YEAH I DID IT AND I'D DO IT AGAIN"
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Mr Gilhaney on December 09, 2015, 01:14:42 PM
just once i'd like to hear a rapist's first comments be something like "YEAH I DID IT AND I'D DO IT AGAIN"



Rip Jesus Christ Allen (https://youtu.be/7yIAK_5_j5c?t=2m57s)
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 09, 2015, 01:26:37 PM
Anyway I don't think it's out of bounds for her to mention she's had multiple experiences/scenes with him and nothing bad happened.
The point is she should have never been doing the interview in the first place.

Why not?
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Mandark on December 09, 2015, 03:37:38 PM
Don't involve yourself in the lives of damaged people. It never ends well.

Who are the damaged people in this scenario?
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Shadow Mod on December 09, 2015, 03:57:54 PM
I'm kind of tired of these pornstars coming out with "but my scene went fine, he treated me okay." It's like, so the fuck what, serial rapists/murderers manage to have wives, not every relationship with women is an abusive one, your experiences have no relevance sorry. If there is a pattern of abuse, count yourself lucky he didn't force anal on you then high five his bros for getting it done on the cheap.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: CatsCatsCats on December 09, 2015, 04:17:05 PM
Just another example of stupid false dichomoties in our society -- he either rapes all women or none, clearly ::)
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Mandark on December 09, 2015, 04:23:17 PM
I mean, women should get to speak to their own experiences with him, but there's this leap from "he treated me well" to "he's just not that kind of person/the other women must be lying!"

Serially abusive people select their victims.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Shadow Mod on December 09, 2015, 04:23:31 PM
This just in the Green River killer couldn't be a serial rapist who choked out hookers, he had a wife!

People want to keep up this narrative that a rapist isn't the guy next door, when literally in this case, he was.

Fucking  :patel
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 09, 2015, 04:35:45 PM
Well yea, I'd agree if that's what Snow was doing. It was moreso her just noting she has experience with him, nothing more. Furthermore she's been guest writing for The Daily Beast for awhile, it's not like she jumped out the wood work specifically to cape for this guy. Given her previous slams on the porn industry I never got the impression she was defending or helping him.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Mandark on December 09, 2015, 04:44:16 PM
PD: I was thinking of a couple initial responses I saw from other porn stars when the news first broke, not particularly of this interview.


On another note:

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All of the accusations are from either ex-girlfriends or events that happened on set.

He says this like it's somehow exculpatory.  If he's an opportunistic, serial rapist, those are exactly the pools I'd expect his victims to come from.  Sheesh.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 09, 2015, 04:45:44 PM
Anyway I don't think it's out of bounds for her to mention she's had multiple experiences/scenes with him and nothing bad happened.
The point is she should have never been doing the interview in the first place.

Expecting former porn stars online journalists to have ethics. 
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Shadow Mod on December 09, 2015, 04:45:55 PM
All of the accusations are women he had easy access to? No fucking way.

People are fucking willfully ignorant assholes about sexual assault, it's so fucking tired.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: benjipwns on December 09, 2015, 04:57:41 PM
Snow did a whole bunch of reporting on the accusations too, she was the one Amber Rayne and others gave their stories to.

I assume for similar reasons that Deen was willing to be interviewed by her, it'd be difficult to get an interview/story from a porn star cum reporter/columnist and thus a more favorable understanding of the situations on-set/etc.

After the initial part, I thought the non-confrontational way of questioning let him basically hang himself with his explanations and excuses and makes him look even worse and uncaring. In his very first answer he accuses Stoya of essentially plotting against him out of jealousy. And he takes none of the outs or opportunities to be remorseful, the only thing he admits is that he was young and thus a bad boyfriend to Joanna Angel. He doesn't even try to come up with explanations for some of the accusations. Even if Snow didn't mean to, he basically grinds himself down.

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I’m not going to play whack-a-mole with every accusation and do to their reputations what they are trying to do to mine. I know some people will understand me and what I’m saying, and some may be offended by it and say even worse things as a result. We live in a world where accusations get great attention and no one really seems to want to get the truth. I’m in porn, and when you take porn activity into polite society it sounds really twisted. The media needs stories and I can see how this is one hell of a story. And finally, I want to remind people that I am not the subject of any lawsuits, I am not under criminal investigation, and at this moment I have no intention of filing defamation suits against false accusations.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Shadow Mod on December 09, 2015, 04:59:46 PM
, I want to remind people that I am not the subject of any lawsuits, I am not under criminal investigation, and at this moment I have no intention of filing defamation suits against false accusations

Neither is Bill Cosby idiot, doesn't make him any less guilty.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: mormapope on December 09, 2015, 05:08:55 PM
That retort or diverting does cause naive or dumb people to jump on someone's side.

Legality/being deemed innocent in the court of law = you didn't do anything wrong as a mentality or argument
 :trash
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 09, 2015, 05:22:53 PM
Also worth noting a lot of porn stars who haven't accused him of sexual assault have said he's a complete asshole to work with. Being an asshole doesn't make you a rapist but all the stories agree he's very aggressive, doesn't listen, etc etc. Yea he's probably a rapist brehs.

Not to mention that a lot of those shady, super hardcore porn studios probably rape a ton of girls yearly. Lots of new chicks are funneled to those studios, do one scene, get brutalized, and never do porn again.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Shadow Mod on December 09, 2015, 05:26:01 PM
Also worth noting a lot of porn stars who haven't accused him of sexual assault have said he's a complete asshole to work with. Being an asshole doesn't make you a rapist but all the stories agree he's very aggressive, doesn't listen, etc etc. Yea he's probably a rapist brehs.

Not to mention that a lot of those shady, super hardcore porn studios probably rape a ton of girls yearly. Lots of new chicks are funneled to those studios, do one scene, get brutalized, and never do porn again.

All the more reason sex working needs to be recognized on all levels as an actual business entity and regulated to fuck rather than pushed to the outskirts of society.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: CatsCatsCats on December 09, 2015, 06:03:30 PM
My wife and I talked about that the other day, pretty sure prostitution is just illegal so women don't get all the money.  :doge
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Shadow Mod on December 09, 2015, 06:04:52 PM
If that shit was legit we'd have a better idea of how many politicians and wealthy executives were stepping out on their wives. So it remains in the shadows.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Steve Contra on December 09, 2015, 06:32:20 PM
Anyway I don't think it's out of bounds for her to mention she's had multiple experiences/scenes with him and nothing bad happened.
The point is she should have never been doing the interview in the first place.

Why not?
You can't imagine why it would be better to have a neutral interviewer for this?
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 09, 2015, 08:00:58 PM
Anyway I don't think it's out of bounds for her to mention she's had multiple experiences/scenes with him and nothing bad happened.
The point is she should have never been doing the interview in the first place.

Why not?
You can't imagine why it would be better to have a neutral interviewer for this?

In most cases I'd agree with you but clearly she gave a professional interview, and as stated earlier she has done journalism work for awhile; having a connection and understanding of that industry makes her a great person to do the interview, in my mind. Furthermore I thought her questions were good.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on December 09, 2015, 08:51:46 PM
who the hell is this interviewer?

How does someone say "The claims are inaccurate or out of context." and the interviewer not say "I know that's what your lawyer told you to say, but what I asked was..."
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: thisismyusername on December 09, 2015, 08:54:46 PM
who the hell is this interviewer?

Someone that's been fucked by him, literally and figuratively.

How PD can't see why she isn't the best interviewer for this subject/"drama"... :doge
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: CatsCatsCats on December 09, 2015, 08:59:35 PM
PD is either stanning or trolling, c'mon y'all
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 09, 2015, 09:33:47 PM
Ugh.  Can't believe I paid for a membership for his site

Scratch that.  I can't believe I paid for porn
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Trent Dole on December 10, 2015, 12:15:16 AM
But when will he hear from Howard Dean?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6i-gYRAwM0
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: benjipwns on December 10, 2015, 04:48:22 PM
who the hell is this interviewer?

How does someone say "The claims are inaccurate or out of context." and the interviewer not say "I know that's what your lawyer told you to say, but what I asked was..."
I think she e-mailed all the questions and he e-mailed the answers back.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Take My Breh Away on December 10, 2015, 08:22:17 PM
Is only limiting yourself to Girl/Girl the best way to protest this? 

:dunno

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Guy's a grade A scumbag that needs the book thrown at him if this is all proved in court
[close]
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 10, 2015, 08:47:40 PM
Is only limiting yourself to Girl/Girl the best way to protest this? 

:dunno

2D remains the real solution. My feminism may be a little too radical for some people, but I won't apologize.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Mupepe on December 11, 2015, 07:28:50 AM
Ugh.  Can't believe I paid for a membership for his site

Scratch that.  I can't believe I paid for porn
:lol :lol
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: nudemacusers on December 11, 2015, 08:37:24 AM
Ugh.  Can't believe I paid for a membership for his site

Scratch that.  I can't believe I paid for porn
Be fans of male porn performers brehs
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 11, 2015, 01:02:07 PM
His amateur series was aces.  Especially cuz I knew a girl who shout two porns with him
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: octopushover on December 11, 2015, 01:18:51 PM
Is only limiting yourself to Girl/Girl the best way to protest this? 

:dunno

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Guy's a grade A scumbag that needs the book thrown at him if this is all proved in court
[close]

One of the stories talked about how James Deen had his girlfriend perform the assault  :-\
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Boogie on December 11, 2015, 01:29:59 PM
His amateur series was aces.  Especially cuz I knew a girl who shout two porns with him

In the Biblical sense?
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 11, 2015, 02:17:58 PM
No, and trust me, truest sense of "don't stick your dick in crazy."
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Shadow Mod on December 11, 2015, 03:16:16 PM
Ugh.  Can't believe I paid for a membership for his site

Scratch that.  I can't believe I paid for porn
Be fans of male porn performers brehs

Ferrara still fine  :doge
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2015, 03:55:37 PM
Ugh.  Can't believe I paid for a membership for his site

Scratch that.  I can't believe I paid for porn
Be fans of male porn performers brehs
:beli
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 11, 2015, 04:03:17 PM
Ugh.  Can't believe I paid for a membership for his site

Scratch that.  I can't believe I paid for porn
Be fans of male porn performers brehs
:beli

 :umad
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 11, 2015, 05:29:52 PM
Why do people even know porn dude names? Who gives a shit about them?
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Shadow Mod on December 11, 2015, 05:33:30 PM
Why do people even know porn dude names? Who gives a shit about them?

Because the vid can be utter shit or great due to the male performer on set?

Also "people", heterosexual women give a shit plenty, why do you think Deen got so popular in the first place.

Ask stupid questions brehs.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on December 11, 2015, 05:41:55 PM
Is that really a stupid question? I think it's safe to assume men account for the majority of porns audience. I don't think many well known performers male or otherwise got famous due to their overwhelming fanbase of straight women.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Shadow Mod on December 11, 2015, 05:57:03 PM
Is that really a stupid question? I think it's safe to assume men account for the majority of porns audience. I don't think many well known performers male or otherwise got famous due to their overwhelming fanbase of straight women.

Uh, who's the subject of this thread. Clearly people do single out certain guys. Or avoid others because they won't shut the hell up. Also there's clearly a trend in people wanting the guy to be physically attractive so again, dumb questions all around.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Trent Dole on December 11, 2015, 05:59:26 PM
Clearly people do single out certain guys. Or avoid others because they won't shut the hell up.
Yeah, NOBODY wants to hear a male voice while they're jackin' it.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on December 11, 2015, 06:09:06 PM
Isn't there clearly a trend of people wanting pornstars to be attractive regardless, clearly
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Shadow Mod on December 11, 2015, 06:11:51 PM
Isn't there clearly a trend of people wanting pornstars to be attractive regardless, clearly

Are you young or something?
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on December 11, 2015, 06:14:40 PM
lol what does that have to do with anything
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on December 11, 2015, 06:15:41 PM
and yes, i certainly am something
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2015, 09:06:43 PM
A good male performer is pretty important to having a good scene. You don't want a guy who can't perform, or who struggles with various positions. Even worse: dudes who make the scene all about them with constant dirty talk, or the dudes (and directors) who make sure you see close ups of their ass. Nobody got time for that shit.

Lex, Mandingo, Jack Napier, etc all were pretty damn good about giving the woman a platform to shine on.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 11, 2015, 10:54:29 PM
Holy shit, James deen is only 5'7.  This guy could be my role model, i mean in terms of body image. 
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 12, 2015, 12:18:42 AM
I hate when the directors start talking from off camera, especially since every porn director I've ever heard talk sounds like the sleaziest scumbag in the world. I like to be pure of mind and spirit, and that shit just makes me feel dirty inside.

I like the gonzo shit where the director is a chick and is asking the female performer questions before the shoot. Or sometimes it's just some chick who isn't even the director, she's just there to ask questions.

"so do you like black dicks?"  :doge

 :money
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: brawndolicious on December 12, 2015, 12:56:35 AM
PD you reassure me it's fine to only search pov videos that have similar looking ding dongs.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: thisismyusername on December 12, 2015, 01:09:53 AM
Is that really a stupid question? I think it's safe to assume men account for the majority of porns audience. I don't think many well known performers male or otherwise got famous due to their overwhelming fanbase of straight women.

 :doge :gurl  :doge :comeon :doge

I have to be able to relate to the dick in the scene. Otherwise it's like trying to get into a movie or tv series where I hate the protagonist, like Evangelion or some shit.

Please go on about this.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on December 12, 2015, 01:18:14 AM
 :yeshrug maybe I'm way off base. I can't say I discuss my porn viewing habits with any frequency so my perspective is skewed, but I guess that's the assumption I've made since porn overwhelmingly caters to men
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: team filler on December 12, 2015, 01:25:27 AM
I always hated this douche, avoided any scene he was in.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 12, 2015, 05:02:02 AM
Why do people even know porn dude names? Who gives a shit about them?

Because the vid can be utter shit or great due to the male performer on set?

Also "people", heterosexual women give a shit plenty, why do you think Deen got so popular in the first place.

Ask stupid questions brehs.
Nope, a male performer has never effected a single porn I've watched. He can just lay there for all I care. I'm not watching it for them. The male performer has no bearing on the porn unless of coarse you're watching to be turned on by them.


Hell I (and I assume many others) like POV porn because it lessens the male performer even more.

I don't know, I've never talked to any dude who was like "I really liked this porn because the dude's dick was the right circumference" or " because the dude really held his own in thrusting". It's only here that I've ever seen anyone give a shit about the dude.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Shadow Mod on December 12, 2015, 05:41:35 AM
You're really postulating that no one cares about male performers in a thread about a popular male performer.

 :comeon
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 12, 2015, 05:50:15 AM
You're really postulating that no one cares about male performers in a thread on a homoerotic forum about a popular male performer.

 :comeon
I doubt normal people give a shit. Amateur porn and POV porn sell purely on the girl. I can't help that a few eccentric porn viewers here give a shit about the dude fucking the girl. But even then they care a bit too much.
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Lex, Mandingo, Jack Napier, etc all were pretty damn good about giving the woman a platform to shine on.
I mean the BBC bias is pretty big here. Just come out of the closet.

One is a porn star who can't shut up and always has to have long sessions before the fucking where he mumbles through four play dialogue, the other can't shut up about how large he is going in and yet can't ever get fully erect, and the other is as bland as any porn man can be.

Says male performers are important. Chooses some of the worst(with a not so subtle pattern behind them).
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Shadow Mod on December 12, 2015, 05:59:26 AM
You stipulating what normal people do, that's cute.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 12, 2015, 06:04:50 AM
Yep, because saying "my favorite pornstar is James Deen" in a group of guys talking about porn wont get gay looks.

Yep, and I'm the one wrong.

But hey, the next time I'm around guys talking about porn, I'll be sure to mention how important is that the male performer really throat fucks the girl with enthusiasm. I'm sure that wont get strange looks.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Mandark on December 12, 2015, 06:05:09 AM
Why do people even know porn dude names? Who gives a shit about them?

Nope, a male performer has never effected a single porn I've watched. He can just lay there for all I care. I'm not watching it for them. The male performer has no bearing on the porn unless of coarse you're watching to be turned on by them.

One is a porn star who can't shut up and always has to have long sessions before the fucking where he mumbles through four play dialogue, the other can't shut up about how large he is going in and yet can't ever get fully erect, and the other is as bland as any porn man can be.

 :gurl
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 12, 2015, 06:07:33 AM
And I'll watch videos with them in it if I like the girl. Like I said, they have no bearing and I'm pretty sure thats the norm for most people. I don't care if Lexington Steele yell cries the entire time. If say Mandy Muse is in it, I'm watching it.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Shadow Mod on December 12, 2015, 06:16:46 AM
And you're being a bitch, how expected.

 :umad
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: mormapope on December 12, 2015, 06:18:22 AM
The idea that the general populace, the same populace that watches porn, doesn't care about the people they jerk off to, isn't off base at all. Free porn clips and rips dominate the market, when people jerk off or finger off they're essentially looking for pieces of meat that make their brain and dick/vajayjay happy, ejaculate, and then the performers or people are forgotten about minutes later.

There is an apathy that perpetuates sexual abuse in the industry, but the majority of viewers of porn have no clue what's going on behind the scenes. The number of people that know porn stars by name versus people that run into porn stars on clips sites is heavily skewed towards the latter.

Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 12, 2015, 06:18:25 AM
I hope James Deen rapes you.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Shadow Mod on December 12, 2015, 06:23:21 AM
I hope James Deen rapes you.

 :badass

:umad
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 12, 2015, 10:51:15 AM
Lex gets animated during the climax but that's about it. Mandingo is pretty quiet. Jack is more extravagant than both but still lets the chick shine. Don't question my bbc knowledge or you'll be embarrassed to no one's tears, dude.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 12, 2015, 11:02:12 AM
That's the gayest thing a supposed straight man has ever said.

Any video with Lex has its first half filled with him mumbling about bullshit. It's like could you just cut this crap and get to what people give a shit about? No one cares about you. Jack can't shut up the entire time in a video. No one wants to hear what the male performer has to say.

You consider these guys the best and not because you like their dick?
Mandingo is as bland as any other dude. Which is my point, any dude can do what he does. The male isn't that important. I actually dislike Manuel because he makes himself to much a part of the scene. The dude needs to be as unnoticeable as possible.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 12, 2015, 11:07:24 AM
PD, consider Lex, Mandingo, and Jack.   All three each take one of your holes all at once. which man gets which hole?
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 12, 2015, 11:41:31 AM
You're mad that Lex does a little intro? I enjoy him giving a preview of what's going to happen. It sets the scene. Perhaps it's an homage to The Twilight Zone. But I guess artistic shit like that isn't interesting to you.

Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: CatsCatsCats on December 12, 2015, 12:35:08 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY711HJK7pg
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Dennis on December 12, 2015, 01:23:58 PM
James Deen is the only male performer I know off and he always seemed creepy as fuck. Otherwise the only remarkable thing about most male performers is how tacky they act and look.

Mandingo and Lex I know by name because Phoenix Dark won't shut up about them. I assume they are black.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 12, 2015, 01:28:23 PM
A reminder about Rahxephon91:

http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=42937.msg2006906#msg2006906

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I'm at 700+gigs of porn and counting. There's no going back.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Boogie on December 12, 2015, 01:29:33 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 12, 2015, 02:04:07 PM
You're mad that Lex does a little intro? I enjoy him giving a preview of what's going to happen. It sets the scene. Perhaps it's an homage to The Twilight Zone. But I guess artistic shit like that isn't interesting to you.
why the fuck would I want artistic shit in porn? Get straight to the fucking please.

But no I don't enjoy his mumbling. I'm not watching porn to him butcher English.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 12, 2015, 02:04:56 PM
A reminder about Rahxephon91:

http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=42937.msg2006906#msg2006906

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I'm at 700+gigs of porn and counting. There's no going back.
So what your saying is that I know my porn and I'm right. Thanks

It's probably more now.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: CatsCatsCats on December 12, 2015, 02:14:58 PM
I think what he's saying is you have an unhealthy relationship with porn and might not be a reliable source of norms.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 12, 2015, 02:20:51 PM
A reminder about Rahxephon91:

http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=42937.msg2006906#msg2006906

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I'm at 700+gigs of porn and counting. There's no going back.
So what your saying is that I know my porn and I'm right. Thanks

It's probably more now.

You should never consider yourself an expert on porn
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: brob on December 12, 2015, 02:26:30 PM
has rahx ever survived a contrary opinion without crumbling into insipid rageposting? :( I don't think we are capable of being the hugbox he needs
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: CatsCatsCats on December 12, 2015, 02:29:06 PM
There certainly is a lot of anger there, it's intriguing, frightening -- and if we knew the whole story, I'm willing to bet it's a bit tragic.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 12, 2015, 02:40:43 PM
A reminder about Rahxephon91:

http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=42937.msg2006906#msg2006906

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I'm at 700+gigs of porn and counting. There's no going back.
So what your saying is that I know my porn and I'm right. Thanks

It's probably more now.
I to not care about the male in straight porn if you're a dude.

You should never consider yourself an expert on porn
don't. I'm sorry I can't tell a porn actor by the discoloration on the head of his cock. Yeah that expertise escapes me.

I didn't know it was a contrary opinion to be a straight male and not care about the cock in porn.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 12, 2015, 02:48:35 PM
700+gigs and you can't?

PD must just a porn genius then.  I bet someday German philosophers will write about him. 
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 12, 2015, 03:41:09 PM
downloading porn  :kobeyuck

I prefer the museum aspect of streaming sites. I go, look around, sit down for a bit to appreciate the individual pieces, then I go home.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 12, 2015, 03:46:23 PM
Plus that way, if you got hit by a car, your mom wont find your Mandingo fetish. 
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 12, 2015, 03:51:32 PM
Plenty of good scenes aren't on streaming websites. Easier to have what you want and like on demand.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Shadow Mod on December 12, 2015, 03:53:41 PM
Plenty of good scenes aren't on streaming websites. Easier to have what you want and like on demand.

 :gurl

Tell me the finer points of what "normal" people do again.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 12, 2015, 03:54:04 PM
I think what he's saying is you have an unhealthy relationship with porn and might not be a reliable source of norms.
Unhealthy? I'm not the one here analyzing porn cock like Roger Ebert to film.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 12, 2015, 03:54:48 PM
Plenty of good scenes aren't on streaming websites. Easier to have what you want and like on demand.

 :gurl

Tell me the finer points of what "normal" people do again.
They watch porn as jerk off material and leave it at that...

Yeah people never had Playboys and porn vhs ever.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Shadow Mod on December 12, 2015, 03:54:55 PM
You realize that we've all gotten used to PD's schtick right and we don't mind it. It's making you real insecure for some reason though.


Yeah people never had Playboys and porn vhs ever.
Entire libraries though?  :gurl
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: demi on December 12, 2015, 04:16:59 PM
She's baiting you Rahx... let this cis scum rot
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 12, 2015, 04:24:41 PM
At 700+gigs you think he has had enough of baiting to recognize it by now.
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 12, 2015, 04:29:28 PM
I have to be able to relate to the dick in the scene. Otherwise it's like trying to get into a movie or tv series where I hate the protagonist, like Evangelion or some shit.

Please go on about this.

Well in some ways the dick is the protagonist in a hetero porn film.

Who saves the day in a gay porno?  I assumed all gay pornos are in the buddy cop genre. 
Title: Re: James Deen Breaks His Silence
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 12, 2015, 04:30:54 PM
Rahx is viewing the thread

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