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Title: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 06, 2016, 01:42:53 AM
Probably my number 3 at the end of the day behind ps1 and ps2. I think in some way it may be tied with ps2 as the best system of all time but ps2 edges it out.

It had poor Nintendo software but holy fuck, everything else? Golden.

A large part of why I'm probably so meh on this generation is probably because of how fucking amazing ds and psp as two complimentary systems were. We didn't know it at the time but they were the last traditional game systems we were ever gonna get with an endless library. 3ds and vita aren't even in the same league. Most worthwhile 3ds games have been ported to mobile or whatever. Ds library was waist deep in games but we are probably in 3ds' final year and it's just now getting good and its offerings were paltry in comparison. I hope NX doesn't kill 3ds because it still has room to grow.

I'd take my ds to work every day and have a cup I got as a  high school graduation present for my games. I'd play it at lunch everyday. It's vast variety, its unique flare. Its storied legacy of a troubled system that was initially laughed at because of its bizarre concept.

I was going to buy a ds flashcart for my 3ds but I may just get a new ds lite and just play japanese imports on that since Nintendo keeps blocking flashcarts.

:bow Nintendo DS :bow2
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 06, 2016, 02:02:47 AM
http://kotaku.com/farewell-to-the-ds-my-favorite-system-of-all-479922918
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 06, 2016, 02:07:43 AM
DS was alright but held back by whacky two screens, underpowered hardware and lack of analogue stick.

Games wise dont remember much really, Advandce Strike DS was worse then on GBA.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 06, 2016, 02:10:36 AM
Ds doesn't work out without two screens
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 06, 2016, 02:12:49 AM
I thought it was a great gimmick for two three games for sure. But the whole dual screen setup is dumb.

Best thing about it was the fact you could close it.

I can def see its appeal Andy for certain people with games like ace attorney atc. I also loved the FF remakes.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 06, 2016, 02:19:46 AM
I can't rate handhelds anymore. It sucks because I really, really liked the gba but at some point I just lost the ability to play on handhelds for extended periods of time.

Frankly, though, just on strength of catalog I'd rank the GBA above the DS. What does the DS have over on the GBA, library wise?
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 06, 2016, 09:05:15 AM
I can't rate handhelds anymore. It sucks because I really, really liked the gba but at some point I just lost the ability to play on handhelds for extended periods of time.

Frankly, though, just on strength of catalog I'd rank the GBA above the DS. What does the DS have over on the GBA, library wise?

I'm baffled this is a serious question. To me it's like asking what ps1 has, library wise, over the ps2.

Gba is a good system but its library is not as deep as the Nintendo ds. It has better 2d Metroid's and a better Castlevania (namely Aria) but let's do the math. Gba came out on 2001. DS came out in 2004. While gba had a few more years of life and the ds didn't instantly kill it, ds was relevant between 2004 to 2011. That's almost ten years and ds games are still being made right now.

Ds benefits from a Japan that made handhelds their main systems. It had the best RPGs of that system generation, it had unique games like visual novels in your pocket, its strategy catalogue is more robust than gba's, it had more music games, it had a brand new top downGrand Theft Auto for goodness sake that was one of the funnest games the series had to offer. Gba doesn't have anything like Meteos or The World Ends With You. Ds had ITS OWN EXCLSUIVE DRAGON QUEST. Animal Crossing Wild World. Radiant Historia. Ghost Trick. Bangai-O spirits. Professor Layton. That crazy stylus Ninja Gaiden game. Contra 4. Trauma Center, where you put people under surgery, using gameplay that was exclusive only to the ds. Elite Beat Agents and Ouendan! Daigasso Band Brothers! Game Center CX! Shin Megami Tensei Strange Journey! Ds had a Korg synthesizer game!

The only things gba has over ds is 2d metroid and aria of sorrow and maybe the original Rhythm Tengoku. Even then, you can just play them on your ds courtesy of gba bc.

I can see preferring Psp over ds as its library is equally almost as deep as the ds, but not the gba.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 06, 2016, 10:10:35 AM
The PS1 has loads over PS2 so uuuh
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 06, 2016, 10:13:52 AM
My suggestion, since playing on handhelds is a problem is to emulate.

THis is what ds looks like at a hgh resolution thanks to emulation.

(http://i.imgur.com/D47VBTL.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/xVhAmeC.jpg?1)

(http://i.imgur.com/qdKtxTk.png?1)

(http://i.imgur.com/gXVEyPC.png?1)

(http://www.hooper.fr/sites/default/files/stock/Tuto/DeSmuME_HD/hotel_dusk.1png.png)

(http://www.hooper.fr/sites/default/files/stock/Tuto/DeSmuME_HD/dragon_ball_ultimate_butouden.png)

(http://www.hooper.fr/sites/default/files/stock/Tuto/DeSmuME_HD/wizard-of-oz.gif)

(http://abload.de/img/dshighresi1u0i.png)

Emulate to play ds classics.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 06, 2016, 10:14:39 AM
The PS1 has loads over PS2 so uuuh

Not really. PS2 is the far better system in every objective way. Everything else comes down to personal preference. I say this as someone whose favorite system is the ps1. Though these days I lean ps2. In any case, the comparison wasn't 1:1. It was a mere example. However, the ds is definitely the ps2 of handhelds, in terms of quantity and quality. GBA has quality, but it doesn't have quantity.

Frankly, your comment about how dual screens was pointlless leads me to believe you have no idea what you're talking about in terms of ds' library, given it gave so many games extra utility.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 06, 2016, 10:42:03 AM
I guess every other system ever is missing this amazing utility of a low rez 2nd screen :rolleyes

PS1 has better FFs, MGS, Ridge Racer, Wipeout, Tomb Raider, Tekken, square's golden age games like PE and Xenogears

Where you even born when it came out?
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 06, 2016, 10:44:46 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/eYBlyNq.gif)
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 06, 2016, 10:48:32 AM
Wait i thought you were andy cause you posted so much bs
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 06, 2016, 10:49:24 AM
The PS1 has loads over PS2 so uuuh

Nooooooooooooope

As a kid who benefited from rampant piracy on both systems and played most of the best games both have to offer for 2 dollars a game, I heavily disagree.

Did you play on PS1 in 95?

Sounds more like you played both in the 2000s

Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 06, 2016, 10:56:26 AM
How do you know you had more time?

Ps2 was home of boring sequels like ffx and mgs2 zzzz all the originals where on ps1

I can see a anime weaboo like you drooling over it though

And yes it matters when you first played something, dont expect someone like you to understand
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 06, 2016, 11:02:23 AM
i got a ps1 when i was 12, lager.

nothing I've said is wrong.

In any case, this is a DS thread. No one cares about sony itt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMjI20sTrCM

Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 06, 2016, 11:05:02 AM
Ps2 didnt even have proper online, whole system was behind the game imho thats why I didnt bother

Nothing on it looked good or exciting cause I played it all on PS1 already and didnt want to waste time with more of the same

I was playing Diablo 2 and Counter Strike sorry
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 06, 2016, 11:15:40 AM
I miss laying in bed with a good ds visual novel. Or when a good rpg came out and I'd watch tv with my roommates while playing the game at the same time (winning). I miss ds during lunch time. So many people used to have their ds systems out in public so you could ask what they were playing. I never see a 3ds in public.

Besides the psp, was the last system I truly loved.

Now I'm old and don't like anything.

(http://i.imgur.com/ho0thqY.gif)

The day I accidentally dropped my ds and it broke - forever - was incredibly painful.

 :'(
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 06, 2016, 11:24:51 AM
Is AA6 written by the original writer? I heard 5 wasn't?
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: brob on March 06, 2016, 11:30:51 AM
those emu screenshots look terrific. hi-rez low-poly graphics :lawd
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mr. Nobody on March 06, 2016, 11:34:49 AM
Hotel Dusk/Last Window  :lawd
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: thisismyusername on March 06, 2016, 11:36:19 AM
The only game that made use of the second screen was Trauma Center. Anything else would've been fine without the second screen and/or touch-screen ability. That's not to say that the DS isn't a kick-ass system, it is. But let's be honest: A majority of the titles that released on it didn't need the second screen at all.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 06, 2016, 11:40:56 AM
Depends on the game and how much you value function.

Jason Shreier has it correct here:

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But the DS could have never worked if it only had a touchscreen. The touchscreen was supplemental. The DS's most successful games used it in tandem with both the second screen and buttons to create experiences that were interesting and unique. My favorite DS moments were ones that took advantage of that: tapping the screen while frenetically pushing buttons to fight with both party members in The World Ends With You; holding the DS sideways like a book as I used my stylus to navigate the grim Hotel Dusk; drawing maps as I moved through dungeons in Etrian Odyssey.

I can't imagine having a map below on the second screen without having to go to another menu. I find that to be really helpful in dungeon crawlers specifically.

You just show you don't value that as a feature. That doesn't mean ds games didn't use it. They just didn't use it in a gimmicky way that you value it. That's all.

To say the second screen lacked utility is false. To say that only Trauma Center used it is even more false. What about Rhythm Heaven Gold? Kirby's Canvas Cruse? TWEWY doesn't work nearly as well without the second screen, as seen in the mobile port.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: thisismyusername on March 06, 2016, 11:49:16 AM
I played Hotel Dusk, hon. Outside of that infamous "close the DS" moment... there's nothing there that they couldn't do on one-screen or without the touchpad. Hell, I played the majority of the game with the A/B/X/Y buttons because I'm left-handed. :lol I didn't use the touch-screen movement or anything like that.

So yeah: A lot of the gimmicks that people used the touch-screen for weren't really needed. If you removed the touch-screen and the second screen function, you just got titles that had cluttered menus on menus like old. Again: The only title that REALLY made use of the touch-screen was Trauma  Center. And that's mostly because you had to fly through 3-5 tools in a matter of 30 seconds a pop to clear the missions there.

But when Pokemon is only using the second screen/touch-screen for inventory management and showing a clock... you know even Nintendo internal doesn't have a purpose for it. It's like "Tom Clancy's: The Division"'s PC version touting that it's able to put the ENTIRE menu onto a person's second monitor if they own/use one. I mean "that's neat, but is there a reason to use it?" No, not really. You get the same functions on the main/solo-monitor and just screen clutter. Same with the DS.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: brob on March 06, 2016, 12:02:50 PM
here is some commentary from the etrian odyssey 1 promo website (http://www.atlus.com/etrian/) that I feel is appropriate here ( :heart elaborate flash promo websites :heart)

this bit is from the director's diary entry #2

(http://i.imgur.com/hc43Sa5.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/ZAShti6.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/0AudcNm.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/7jcVo9p.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/9nMnJm8.png)
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 06, 2016, 12:14:35 PM
Let's take EBA and Ouendan.

They told stories on the top screen and you did gameplay in the bottom screen.

(http://i.imgur.com/dr18I2w.jpg)

What about Daigasso! Band Bros:

(http://i.imgur.com/VlPNsYt.jpg?1)

The World Ends With You LITERALLY uses both screens for combat AT THE SAME TIME.

(http://i.imgur.com/dUDD9Hn.png)

Etrian Odyssey, the game where you draw and chart the map for survival.

(http://origin.arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.media/etrianodyssey.jpg)

A lot of games used it for bonus information without cluttering up the game screen, allowing for smooth UI's.

(http://i.imgur.com/GZIhRMn.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/KAu3Aue.jpg?1)

This was helpful for things like visual novels, which used it to make interesting storytelling techniques in their direction.

(http://i.imgur.com/sFxMZL3.jpg)

In an RPG, this is useful because you get to see more of the battles without clutter.

(http://i.imgur.com/UrwBxoh.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/X3s9X3P.jpg)

I love not having to go to a menu to look at a map. And I like having the entire battle field viewable with UI specifically its own place for battle.

In a game like Monster Honter, although for the 3ds, the dual screens actually allow for more optimal control due to the lack of analog stick.

(http://i.imgur.com/8Xcu70H.png)

Saying the dual screen set up wasn't used to its advantage literally shows your ignorance and that you have no idea what you're talking about. It's hard to take your opinion seriously beyond any objective merit.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 06, 2016, 12:20:36 PM
You can totally use the stylus while lying down. Did it with Ace Attorney all the time. ???
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 06, 2016, 12:22:43 PM
You know you can just have a bigger higher res screen and have a map on it

Ive seen this before in games
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 06, 2016, 12:44:14 PM
Meh, who cares. Was useful. So in a game like FFIV, ds you'd chart your map and it'd mark chests.

(http://i.imgur.com/fnkXSW1.jpg)

Menu UI during battle isn't cluttered. It's nice and simple.

(http://i.imgur.com/pXE38n2.jpg)

Now let's look at the mobile port UI.

(http://i.imgur.com/RBtgcss.png)

(https://media.giphy.com/media/yHUiExmU40A4U/giphy.gif)

Utility and function while having cleaner screens.

:bow Dual Screen :bow2

Going to single screen stuff in NX is going to take time. :(
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 06, 2016, 12:48:59 PM
https://youtu.be/DICApatHHmE

:bow
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 06, 2016, 01:26:11 PM
GBA had better Fire Emblem games, so.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 06, 2016, 01:54:57 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9IJ1Q74pKs

:lawd
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mr. Nobody on March 06, 2016, 02:28:15 PM
TWEWY though  :trash
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 06, 2016, 02:29:07 PM
Much better than Hotel Dusk.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mr. Nobody on March 06, 2016, 02:53:56 PM
Much better than Hotel Dusk.

I don't even think you believe that  :wag
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 06, 2016, 02:58:50 PM
hotel dusk wasn't that good imo :yeshrug

I liked the novelty tho
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mr. Nobody on March 06, 2016, 03:05:35 PM
I enjoyed it and it's sequel. We'll have to agree to disagree.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 06, 2016, 03:06:32 PM
Hotel dusk has a sequel?

Tbf to hotel dusk, I was directly comparing it to Ace Attorney and other adventure games. I'm more than willing to give it another chance. I recently gave TWEWY another chance and I came out enjoying it much more.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: mormapope on March 06, 2016, 03:33:15 PM
I guess every other system ever is missing this amazing utility of a low rez 2nd screen :rolleyes

PS1 has better FFs, MGS, Ridge Racer, Wipeout, Tomb Raider, Tekken, square's golden age games like PE and Xenogears

Where you even born when it came out?

I question how much you played in the PS2 generation. Hell, if you dabbled with all three consoles and pc games that gen, its pretty hard to top the PS2, Xbox, Gamecube, PC games of that era.

Classic Tomb Raider has aged like milk. You'd have to be some insane nostalgia fueled person to play Tekken 3 over Tekken 5 (and its remastered version on PS3), Tekken Tag 2, or Tekken 7 when it comes out. Ridge Racer was always a passable at best series, it was sort of a looker in the PS1 days, I'll give it that. Wipeout had one release on the PS2, but arcade racers survived in general.

MGS1 and Final Fantasy 7 will always be timeless for me, don't know how other people feel about those two games though.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Positive Touch on March 06, 2016, 04:14:28 PM
this thread just reminds me that i was too broke to take advantage of the ds glory years. i bought a bunch of cool games for it a few months ago but i still have yet to play them. i just end up playing games on my phone nowadays instead.

nintendo dogs was cool tho
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 06, 2016, 04:15:05 PM
MGS1 and FF7 are classics but MGS3 and FF10 are also classics. ps2 had Ridge Racer 5. There was only one wipeout on ps2 but Burnout 3 made a pretty damn good replacement. Never mind other arcade racers like SSX series. Lager's opinion is absolutely mind boggling.

Anyways, DS owned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgQz-DZHavA
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 06, 2016, 04:16:43 PM
this thread just reminds me that i was too broke to take advantage of the ds glory years. i bought a bunch of cool games for it a few months ago but i still have yet to play them. i just end up playing games on my phone nowadays instead.

nintendo dogs was cool tho

It really helped that DS (and psp) was my main system that gen. I didn't buy as many console games then, because they didn't interest me. I was pretty much ds+psp exclusive with exceptions. So I really, really went deep into their libraries.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Positive Touch on March 06, 2016, 04:17:35 PM
lager didn't play much ps2 and trolled it bc he was an Xbox fan,  kind of like how he trolls Xbox 1 now. that's why he's shitting up the thread now
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Positive Touch on March 06, 2016, 04:19:27 PM
i had a desk job for a while where i had a lot of time to play gba and early psp and ds.  it was so awesome bc even then there was tons of good stuff.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 06, 2016, 04:21:05 PM
this thread just reminds me that i was too broke to take advantage of the ds glory years. i bought a bunch of cool games for it a few months ago but i still have yet to play them. i just end up playing games on my phone nowadays instead.

nintendo dogs was cool tho

(http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/scust.png)
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 06, 2016, 04:22:28 PM
i had a desk job for a while where i had a lot of time to play gba and early psp and ds.  it was so awesome bc even then there was tons of good stuff.

the good ol days :aah
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 06, 2016, 04:29:12 PM
https://youtu.be/dNnnn84ebC4

:aah
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: bork on March 06, 2016, 04:40:25 PM
I'm not trying to rain on your DS positivity parade, but I liked the GBA much, much more than the DS.  The DS to me was a system to play the Ace Attorney games (the first three being GBA ports, heh), the Castlevania games (None were as good as Aria), and a few other select titles, mainly puzzle games, for me.  I really didn't play it very much...the PSP took up the vast majority of my portable gaming time.  It is pretty much the same with the 3DS and Vita, although I've played the 3DS a lot more than I ever did the DS.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 06, 2016, 04:47:44 PM
Like I said earlier, I can understand preferring psp to ds. I myself did at many points during that gen. I went back and forth between the two because they were both so good. In the end, I prefer ds. psp had games you couldn't do on ds, but the opposite was true for ds as well. They acted as compliment systems.

I personally haven't had any urge to get a Vita and I say this as a massive psp fan. :yeshrug Also, as someone whose main system was their ds and psp last gen, I barely touch my 3ds. Maybe once every few months. There's kind of no need to with how good mobile games are now.

Also, it's not really fair to slight Ace Attorney games for being gba ports. Can you imagine playing AA games without touch controls? It'd be pretty terrible examining everything. There's no ds Vania as good as Aria, but none as bad as Harmony. Also, Aria is a once in a blue moon game. Portrait of Ruin while, not the best, is still really awesome.

You clearly prefer action titles, and there's an area where psp had an advantage over ds. So preferring psp to ds really isn't much of a surprise. DS was a more relaxed system, while psp had ps2 ports and action games and shit. psp also had the bonus of being able to play ps1 games. At the end of its life it managed to get an amazing strategy rpg lineup as well. I still don't think it's as good as ds for my tastes.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mr. Nobody on March 06, 2016, 07:16:20 PM
Hotel dusk has a sequel?

Tbf to hotel dusk, I was directly comparing it to Ace Attorney and other adventure games. I'm more than willing to give it another chance. I recently gave TWEWY another chance and I came out enjoying it much more.

Yeah, Last Window.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8c/Last_Window.jpg)

Only localized for Europe. If only Nintendo handhelds were still region free  >:(
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 06, 2016, 07:20:52 PM
...It's a ds game. ds games are region free even on 3ds.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: chronovore on March 06, 2016, 07:46:13 PM
...It's a ds game. ds games are region free even on 3ds.

Word.

I think it was only with the DSi that region-lockout was introduced, and then ONLY for the DSi online store.

I'm still pissed that the 3DS introduced region lockout to what had been a healthy setup.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 06, 2016, 07:57:36 PM
...It's a ds game. ds games are region free even on 3ds.

Word.

I think it was only with the DSi that region-lockout was introduced, and then ONLY for the DSi online store.

I'm still pissed that the 3DS introduced region lockout to what had been a healthy setup.

I'd be playing my 3ds a lot more if it weren't region locked.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: demi on March 06, 2016, 08:18:36 PM
Hotel dusk has a sequel?

Tbf to hotel dusk, I was directly comparing it to Ace Attorney and other adventure games. I'm more than willing to give it another chance. I recently gave TWEWY another chance and I came out enjoying it much more.

Yeah, Last Window.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8c/Last_Window.jpg)

Only localized for Europe. If only Nintendo handhelds were still region free  >:(

lol, what a mong. DS is region free.

If you use a flashcart or emulate theres a bunch of translations out too.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: demi on March 06, 2016, 08:20:09 PM
My DS library

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007: Blood Stone
007: Goldeneye
Advance Wars: Days of Ruin
Blue Dragon Plus
Bubble Bobble Revolution
Bust-A-Move DS
Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow
Castlevania: Portrait of Ruin
Chibi-Robo: Park Patrol
Chrono Trigger
Contact
Disgaea DS
Dragon Quest 4: Chapters of the Chosen
Dragon Quest 5: Hand of the Heavenly Bride
Dragon Quest 6: Realms of Revelation
Dragon Quest 9: Sentinels of the Starry Skies
Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker 2
Etrian Odyssey
Etrian Odyssey 2
Final Fantasy 12: Revenant Wings
Final Fantasy 3
Final Fantasy 4
Final Fantasy Tactics A2: Grimoire of the Rift
Final Fantasy: The 4 Heroes of Light
Ghost Trick: Phantom Detective
Glory of Heracles
Hotel Dusk: Room 315
Kirby Canvas Curse
Kirby Mass Attack
Kirby Super Star Ultra
Luminous Arc 2
Lunar Knights
Magical Starsign
Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story
Mario Kart DS
New Super Mario Brothers
Nintendogs: Shiba & Friends
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
Picross DS
Pokemon Black
Pokemon Conquest
Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Darkness
Pokemon Platinum
Pokemon Ranger: Guardian Signs
Pokemon Ranger: Shadows of Almia
Pokemon SoulSilver
Pokemon White Version 2
Polarium
Professor Layton and the Curious Village
Professor Layton and the Diabolical Box
Retro Game Challenge
Rhythm Heaven
Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey
Star Wars Battlefront: Elite Squadron
Super Mario 64 DS
Tetris DS
The World Ends With You
Trauma Center: Under The Knife
WarioWare Touched
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mr. Nobody on March 06, 2016, 08:42:44 PM
I was talking about the 3DS being region-locked. I beat Last Window when it came out in 2010.  :snoop
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: demi on March 06, 2016, 09:19:59 PM
Most 3ds games come over here anyway
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Yeti on March 06, 2016, 11:13:22 PM
Is Tetris 3DS still the best Tetris out there? It was pretty impressive that it managed to dethrone the OG Game Boy Tetris.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: tiesto on March 07, 2016, 09:44:22 AM
Most 3ds games come over here anyway

Agreed, but I still wish we got the 3DS Rocket Slime, Theatrhythm:DQ, the DQ Monsters games, Metal Max 4, and Beyond the Labyrinth. I'm just glad we are getting DQ7 and we got Project Mirai, those were my most wanted localizations for a long while.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: CatsCatsCats on March 07, 2016, 10:35:16 AM
Single cart wireless multiplay was pretty rad. The one time I went to PAX many moons ago in Bellevue, it was cool how any games were just open if you searched
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2016, 11:10:42 AM
Mario Kart DS
:rejoice

Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 09, 2016, 11:08:22 AM
Mario Kart DS
:rejoice

snaking :rejoice
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: bork on March 09, 2016, 03:11:59 PM
Is Tetris 3DS still the best Tetris out there? It was pretty impressive that it managed to dethrone the OG Game Boy Tetris.

3DS or DS?  DS is the Nintendo-themed one...thought it was awesome.  Never tried any of the 3DS Tetris games.  There's more than one but I think only one may have come out in English.  I got Puyo Puyo Tetris on my J3DS which kicks all kinds of ass though.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 09, 2016, 09:10:53 PM
Layton is one of my favorite game series ever. So yeah, that's a pretty big thing. Picross 3D is one of the best puzzle games I've ever played. Also, Visual Novels never caught on in the West until the DS mainstreamed them ever so slightly. There's lots of great things about the DS and its library.

Something the DS did, that even the 3DS didn't, was to build a welcoming environment for any sort of wacky as shit game to come out and have some sort of chance at success. Cooking Mama, Phoenix Wright, Trauma Center, those are kinda major franchises based on not terribly videogamey professions. But they caught on and the gaming landscape and the world in general was a little better off for its eccentric successes of the platform.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Yeti on March 09, 2016, 09:34:09 PM
Is Tetris 3DS still the best Tetris out there? It was pretty impressive that it managed to dethrone the OG Game Boy Tetris.

3DS or DS?  DS is the Nintendo-themed one...thought it was awesome.  Never tried any of the 3DS Tetris games.  There's more than one but I think only one may have come out in English.  I got Puyo Puyo Tetris on my J3DS which kicks all kinds of ass though.

Yeah DS is the one I meant.

Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 10, 2016, 04:27:10 AM
I guess every other system ever is missing this amazing utility of a low rez 2nd screen :rolleyes

PS1 has better FFs, MGS, Ridge Racer, Wipeout, Tomb Raider, Tekken, square's golden age games like PE and Xenogears

Where you even born when it came out?

I question how much you played in the PS2 generation. Hell, if you dabbled with all three consoles and pc games that gen, its pretty hard to top the PS2, Xbox, Gamecube, PC games of that era.

Classic Tomb Raider has aged like milk. You'd have to be some insane nostalgia fueled person to play Tekken 3 over Tekken 5 (and its remastered version on PS3), Tekken Tag 2, or Tekken 7 when it comes out. Ridge Racer was always a passable at best series, it was sort of a looker in the PS1 days, I'll give it that. Wipeout had one release on the PS2, but arcade racers survived in general.

MGS1 and Final Fantasy 7 will always be timeless for me, don't know how other people feel about those two games though.

I don't see how you doubt how much I played cause I prefer PS1 over PS2. I had all three consoles that gen and a PC btw.

I'm not saying I'd play Tekken or Tomb Raider right now over more recent offerings, but that they made a bigger impact on me and "the scene" on the PS1 then on the PS2. I'm talking about seeing Tekken 1 in 94/95 on a home console, that same shit you played in the arcade. That was a WOW moment for gaming.  Jump to 3D. Playing Virtua Cop at home :drool

The gen after that was more about the jump to online gaming for me, from the late 90's and onwards. That was the big WOW thing. Diablo, Warcraft, Counter Strike or whatever you were into.  Also western games making it big on consoles (Xbox) with games like Burnout, Splinter Cell, Kotor, Halo etc.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 10, 2016, 06:16:37 AM
Some faulty reasoning there. Devil may cry 1 was amazing in 2001 and literally made its own genre. Gta3 blew the doors open. tekken tag was incredible. Playing a game you could play in arcades at home was impressive but wasn't anything you couldn't do before. I'm not sure how Tekken on ps1 was impressive given that people had been playing SF2 on consoles since the early 90's. I got Tekken with my psx and I didn't think anything of it. In that area, Saturn was more impriessove that ps1. Ps1 versions of fighting games often had cut frames and entirely cut out features like taking tagging out of a TAG game. Saturn fighters were arcade perfect. Ps2 generation brought a different experience: having exceed that of the arcade. Compare Tekken tag ps2 to arcade. Ps2 version looks a generation ahead. Ps2 generation was impressive because it marked the point where home Systems were now AS if not MORE powerful than the arcade. Which was never really the case before besides exceptions like the Saturn.

This just confirms to us you didn't play ps2 much if at all.

Western games had always had big hits before Xbox. Goldeneye? Donkey kong country? Syphon filter? Cruisin USA? ???

I think your experience with PC and online gaming is blinding you from ps2's actual merit and legacy. I was speaking objectively before and I'm speaking objectively now. Playing CS was cool but not overly different from playing doom on LAN. It's just now we can play online instead for added convenience. But playing GTAIII on a ps2 for the first time? Compared to that? And you're trying to convince us that ps1 is a better system because you were impressed by TEKKEN? :wtf
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 10, 2016, 06:29:00 AM
It was the jump to 3D which was the big thing. CD quality sound. FMV. Everything came together that gen. Huge leap.

Jump from playing MK2 (1993) on Mega Drive to playing Tekken (1994/5) on PSX or Virtua Fighter on Saturn within 1 year is HUGE. If that left you cold then I dunno man.

Much bigger then the jump to Tekken Tag Tournament (2000) 6 years later.

GTA3 is like the exceptional title that gen, kind of hard to judge everything by that. PS1 for me was a much bigger move forward then PS2.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: bork on March 10, 2016, 09:44:15 AM
The leap from the 16-bit consoles to the 32/64-bit consoles was absolutely massive, no doubt about it.  I know exactly what you're talking about, Lager.  As awesome as the PS2 was, it took a little while for things to get going, whereas the PS1 and Saturn were pretty much jaw-droppingly amazing right out of the gate.  Before these consoles, sure, we got plenty of arcade ports, but they were almost never perfect or in a lot of cases anywhere near the quality of the arcade versions.  That changed with the PS1 and Saturn.  The change from the focus being on sprite-based 2D games to polygon-based 3D games was also huge.  Nothing like that has happened since and I can't see anything even remotely similar happening until we get a new console that is some crazy-awesome new VR unit or the like.

Tekken was impressive back then in that it was so close to the arcade version.  But the most-impressive fighting game back then was Battle Arena Toshinden.  I saw that game on display several times before the PS1's launch and it would have crowds forming.  The game play pretty much sucked when you look at it, but visually it was fucking insane for the time.  (Personally, once the wow factor wore off...I was back on SSF2 on my SNES  :lol)

Saturn versions of Capcom fighting games weren't "arcade perfect" until the 4MB RAM cart came along with X-Men Vs. Street Fighter in what...1998?  The Saturn ports before that also had missing frames and muffled sound/voice quality, but in general had more animation intact compared to the PS1 versions of titles.  Sometimes a little extra content, too, since PS1 versions of games would release first.  SNK had the first really impressive port earlier on with KOF '95, which used a ROM cart to give the game an extra boost in quality.  Then they switched to the generic 1MB RAM cart and the ports weren't as good.  Usually sound quality took the hit and load times were longer. 

These games were again generally better on Saturn, but the PS1 versions had better audio and more color (noticeably much better in KOF '95's case), which some preferred.  Despite the cut animation, I'd also rather play Samurai Shodown IV on PS1 over the Saturn port.  It played smoother/faster and had an extra fighter or two (Cham Cham was one) added for vs. mode.  Real Bout Fatal Fury was an excellent port on PS1 and I only remember the cut frames being some win poses.  Then Real Bout Special Dominated Mind came out as a PS1 only game and just kicked all kinds of ass.  Even Capcom got better with their PS1 ports.  Alpha 3 was amazing.  Sure frames were cut -as always- but the game was packed with new content and characters.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 10, 2016, 10:15:11 AM
I don't really care about the details and I'm obviously painting in broad strokes.

To say that ps2 was not a great system because TEKKEN impressed you on the ps1 is completely illogical.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 10, 2016, 10:30:14 AM
It was the jump to 3D which was the big thing. CD quality sound. FMV. Everything came together that gen. Huge leap.

Jump from playing MK2 (1993) on Mega Drive to playing Tekken (1994/5) on PSX or Virtua Fighter on Saturn within 1 year is HUGE. If that left you cold then I dunno man.

Much bigger then the jump to Tekken Tag Tournament (2000) 6 years later.

GTA3 is like the exceptional title that gen, kind of hard to judge everything by that. PS1 for me was a much bigger move forward then PS2.

So you're telling me that you care more about the superficial than actual games?

Going from ps1 to ps2 was equally as impressive in different ways. Games started to REALLY get a handle on 3d. We got games like DMC in ps2's sophomore year that are still played and copied to this day. The refinement to 3d games cannot be overstated.

Silent Hill 2 was bananas.

SSX Tricky melted faces.

Tekken Tag and Virtua Fighter 4 presented a graphic fidelity no one knew possible.

Final Fantasy X was fully voice acted.

GTA3 changed how we play games.

Devil May Cry did the same.

Halo's graphics were nuts.

Luigi's Mansion.

Do you really think something like Dark Cloud, as good as it looked and how big it was at the time, was possible on ps1?

GTA3 was the exception? :rofl Play Tony Hawk 3 on ps1 and then play it on ps2. Then get back to me.

You are fucking crazy if you are going to try to convince me that, although playing 3d titles for the first time was impressive as fuck, that playing games with the graphics of ps2's caliber at the time wasn't equally as impressive or that the refinement to 3d gaming wasn't a huge deal. Or that the single use of the second analog stick wasn't a huge step forward to making more 3d titles playable. You're acting like there were insane diminishing returns the second ps2 dropped. It wasn't the case. I remind you, PS1 games besides Ape Escape did not USE the second analog stick.

Going from this

(http://i.imgur.com/HhULUJI.png)

to this

(http://i.imgur.com/LA1XMro.jpg)

to this

(http://i.imgur.com/53XprHh.jpg)

Were all equally impressive. Anyone who denies this is batshit insane.

Going from 16 bit to 32/64 bit was HUGE. Don't tell me going from ps1 to 2 was not equally as big. Because it shows you exist in your own reality that isn't mine.

(http://i.imgur.com/Do8d12L.jpg)

to

(http://i.imgur.com/tU0tV6X.jpg?1)

to

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8mwzes9cM1rb06tgo2_500.gif)

in the span of 4 years. FOUR YEARS.

Everyone on this forum now has zero reason to take your opinions on gaming seriously ever again, dude.

This is without mentioning refinements that made 3d action games more playable. It's not even close. The ps2 generation defined 3d gaming and what its capabilities were. Fact.

edit: I am convinced I'm being trolled but the video game historian in me cannot let this stand. :brazilcry
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 10, 2016, 11:03:14 AM
Silent Hill 1 wasn't a good looking game by the standards of the day, and Silent Hill 2 didn't look like that running on an actual PS2.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 10, 2016, 11:25:04 AM
Silent Hill 1 wasn't a good looking game by the standards of the day, and Silent Hill 2 didn't look like that running on an actual PS2.

From gamespot.

(http://static1.gamespot.com/uploads/scale_super/mig/7/6/1/7/457617-silent_014.jpg)

(http://static2.gamespot.com/uploads/scale_super/mig/7/6/1/9/457619-silent_016.jpg)

(http://static2.gamespot.com/uploads/scale_super/mig/7/6/2/4/457624-silent_021.jpg)

(http://static4.gamespot.com/uploads/scale_super/mig/7/6/1/8/457618-silent_015.jpg)

And Silent Hill 1 did look great for its standards of the day unless you had a dreamcast (which no one did :smug).

Obviously that shot was emulated, but Silent Hill 2 does, for the most part, look like that.

Also, whether SH1 had good graphics for the time is besides the point. The point is to show a great leap, which SH1 to 2 was.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Positive Touch on March 10, 2016, 11:46:09 AM
silent Hill 1 looked great except for the fuggo character models
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Positive Touch on March 10, 2016, 11:49:21 AM
also round of applause for that whole post, esp the party about the second analog stick. that's why I'm always so down on the ps1 gen: there was tons of amazing stuff that came out but damn near all of it was rough rough rough. by the time ps2 came out, devs had got a real handle on 3d (not just graphics but gameplay too) and that's when everything felt like it clicked. that's why I'll take the ps2 gen over ps1.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 10, 2016, 11:56:30 AM
Using second stick for camera controls completely changed how we approach 3d gaming. Or using the second analog stick to aim shooting controls? That gen brought a level of refinement after the mass experimentation of the previous generation. You can prefer mass experimentation to see what works over refinement that made entire games like Ninja Gaiden actually exist, but to say they're not equally important is insane. There is no 3d game on ps1 equal to Ninja Gaiden. There just ISN'T. Or Resident Evil 4.

That generation defined how we play 3d games to this day.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: bork on March 10, 2016, 12:02:15 PM

To say that ps2 was not a great system because TEKKEN impressed you on the ps1 is completely illogical.

Where did he say that?  I see him saying that he preferred the PS1 to the PS2 and was more-impressed by the leap from SNES/Genesis to PS1 compared to PS1 to PS2.  I agree with him on that.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 10, 2016, 12:07:42 PM

To say that ps2 was not a great system because TEKKEN impressed you on the ps1 is completely illogical.

Where did he say that?  I see him saying that he preferred the PS1 to the PS2 and was more-impressed by the leap from SNES/Genesis to PS1 compared to PS1 to PS2.  I agree with him on that.

You obviously haven't seen him argue in the past why ps2 was a bad system.

Plus:

Ps2 didnt even have proper online, whole system was behind the game imho thats why I didnt bother

Nothing on it looked good or exciting cause I played it all on PS1 already and didnt want to waste time with more of the same

I was playing Diablo 2 and Counter Strike sorry
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: bork on March 10, 2016, 12:15:09 PM
You are fucking crazy if you are going to try to convince me that, although playing 3d titles for the first time was impressive as fuck, that playing games with the graphics of ps2's caliber at the time wasn't equally as impressive or that the refinement to 3d gaming wasn't a huge deal.

...It wasn't a huge deal.  The games certainly looked better, but you're forgetting about something-- the Dreamcast, which was already out and had impressive titles like Dead Or Alive 2 and Soul Calibur available by the time the PS2 was released outside of Japan.  And yeah, the games looked awesome...but it's still not the same impact that those first 32-bit consoles had.

Or that the single use of the second analog stick wasn't a huge step forward to making more 3d titles playable. You're acting like there were insane diminishing returns the second ps2 dropped. It wasn't the case. I remind you, PS1 games besides Ape Escape did not USE the second analog stick.

You just said it yourself-- the dual analog controller and dual shock came out for the PS1, and Ape Escape was certainly not the only game that used the second analog stuck...what are you talking about?  Ape Escape is the one game that required it.

edit: I am convinced I'm being trolled but the video game historian in me cannot let this stand. :brazilcry

Doesn't seem like he is.  I can certainly say that I'm not doing that.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: bork on March 10, 2016, 12:17:12 PM
Ps2 didnt even have proper online, whole system was behind the game imho thats why I didnt bother

Nothing on it looked good or exciting cause I played it all on PS1 already and didnt want to waste time with more of the same

I was playing Diablo 2 and Counter Strike sorry

OK, yeah, that's pretty dumb, but he still has a point about the leap from 16 to 32 and 32 to what followed. 
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 10, 2016, 12:22:57 PM
Games on ps1 had second stick but ps1 games did not use the second stick how we use it now. It was pretty experimental. Most ps1 games didn't even use the stick. Ape escape was the first that truly used it in a meaningful way. Second stick use was so uncommon Dreamcast didn't even come with a second stick. In those days cameras were dictated by bumpers, mostly L1 and R1 or in DC's case, both triggers. That said the first game to use the analog stick for camera controls was a ps1 game: Alien Resurrection which came out in 2000. Halo and Timesplitters popularized it. The second stick was barely used in most ps1 games. And "requiring" second stick is a pretty big deal considering that's the entire point of the second sticks modern use: it's a required feature.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 10, 2016, 12:25:49 PM
You are fucking crazy if you are going to try to convince me that, although playing 3d titles for the first time was impressive as fuck, that playing games with the graphics of ps2's caliber at the time wasn't equally as impressive or that the refinement to 3d gaming wasn't a huge deal.

...It wasn't a huge deal.  The games certainly looked better, but you're forgetting about something-- the Dreamcast, which was already out and had impressive titles like Dead Or Alive 2 and Soul Calibur available by the time the PS2 was released outside of Japan.  And yeah, the games looked awesome...but it's still not the same impact that those first 32-bit consoles had.

Those games looked great, but it was still impressive to most people because most of us didn't have dreamcasts. "It wasn't a big deal?" False.

Going from Virtua fighter 3 to 4 was a whole different level.

Your opinion is colored by the fact you had a dc. Most people didn't. Imagine going from Tekken 3 to Tekken Tag on ps2. If you want, we can ignore fighting games. Imagine going from Final Fantasy IX to Final Fantasy X in the time span of one year. Or MGS1 to MGS2. Besides Shenmue, games on DC didn't look like that. To say the jump wasn't a big deal is pretty out there.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Positive Touch on March 10, 2016, 12:42:01 PM
also ps2 was demolishing dc graphics before dc barely started. remember the mgs2 trailer?  THAT shit was true next gen
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 10, 2016, 12:47:53 PM
The revisionist history that ps2 wasn't mind blowing is.. blowing my mind
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 10, 2016, 12:51:09 PM
also ps2 was demolishing dc graphics before dc barely started. remember the mgs2 trailer?  THAT shit was true next gen

shooting bottles and shooting lights out?

unparalleled at the time.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: mormapope on March 10, 2016, 12:54:58 PM
(http://geekti.me/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/6877-468x-Metal-Gear-Solid-Snake-and-Meryl.jpg)

(http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/scale_super/0/7395/2503482-this+displeases+snake.png)

(http://static2.gamespot.com/uploads/original/mig/9/5/7/8/339578-driver2_1113_008.jpg)

(http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/bodyharvest/bodyharvest-15.png)

(http://www.thegtaplace.com/images/gta3/screenshots/screen50.jpg)

(http://www.thegtaplace.com/images/gta3/screenshots/screen52.jpg)

(http://www.thegtaplace.com/images/gta3/screenshots/screen60.jpg)

The 2D to 3D jump wasn't big because of the graphics, it was because of entirely new gameplay possibilities. Something simply being in 3D was definitely a leap, but the PS1 to PS2 jump is the biggest visual leap thus far in this medium. That initial 2D to 3D jump was the biggest leap in regards to gameplay.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: archie4208 on March 10, 2016, 12:57:40 PM
I thought this thread was about the Nintendo DS.   :doge
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 10, 2016, 01:00:19 PM
I thought this thread was about the Nintendo DS.   :doge

No one wants to TALK about the ds unfortunately.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: qq more on March 10, 2016, 01:00:21 PM
DS is my top favorite handheld and definitely one of my favorite systems of all time. Even though half (if not most) of Nintendo's output was massive trash but the third parties is what made the system truly shine.

Ace Attorney and Ghost Trick. Oh man.  :lawd

In speaking of, despite Ace Attorney Investigations 1 (Edgeworth spinoff) being kinda trash, the second game is really great. I definitely recommend playing the fan translation of that game as it feels pretty close to the official localization of the series.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: bork on March 10, 2016, 01:02:48 PM
Games on ps1 had second stick but ps1 games did not use the second stick how we use it now. It was pretty experimental.

OK, that's fine and all if you want to look at it that way, but this was technology introduced for the PS1 and games released for it made full use of it.

Second stick use was so uncommon Dreamcast didn't even come with a second stick.

I wouldn't call it uncommon when it was the standard controller, on what is arguably the most popular console of that era, by the time the Dreamcast came out.  It is interesting that Sega didn't do this and instead went the mouse/kb route for games like Quake III Arena instead.

Halo and Timesplitters popularized it. The second stick was barely used in most ps1 games. And "requiring" second stick is a pretty big deal considering that's the entire point of the second sticks modern use: it's a required feature.
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It was optional because requiring everyone to shell out for another controller to play all new games would have been an incredibly stupid move. 

I can't say how many games used it and don't have time right now to see if anyone made a list.  Would be curious to see how many games did use both sticks.

Those games looked great, but it was still impressive to most people because most of us didn't have dreamcasts. "It wasn't a big deal?" False.

It wasn't as big a deal as going from mainly sprite-based games to HOLY SHIT POLYGONS EVERYWHERE IN MY FACE, no.   

Going from Virtua fighter 3 to 4 was a whole different level.

Yes, going from 1996's Virtua Fighter 3 to 2001's Virtua Fighter 4 was a nice visual upgrade.

...Well, sort of.  VF3 was way more impressive in 1996 than VF4 was in 2001.  And VF3 had some spectacular backgrounds, which were simplified in VF4 (due to fan demand, of course!)  The biggest leap graphically were the character models.  Which I would hope would look better after half a decade.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: bork on March 10, 2016, 01:05:10 PM
The revisionist history that ps2 wasn't mind blowing is.. blowing my mind

There's no agenda going on here.  You're not see the perspective that the change from the focus being on sprite-based 16 bit graphics to 32-bit 3D polygon-based graphics was the bigger leap.

:idont
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: bork on March 10, 2016, 01:06:37 PM
The 2D to 3D jump wasn't big because of the graphics, it was because of entirely new gameplay possibilities. Something simply being in 3D was definitely a leap, but the PS1 to PS2 jump is the biggest visual leap thus far in this medium. That initial 2D to 3D jump was the biggest leap in regards to gameplay.

...And I would agree with you if there weren't other consoles (and PC games!) released between the PS1 and PS2. :P
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 10, 2016, 01:07:55 PM
Sorry but I don't reply to people that fisk!
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: bork on March 10, 2016, 01:08:26 PM
also ps2 was demolishing dc graphics before dc barely started. remember the mgs2 trailer?  THAT shit was true next gen

DC was already getting demolished before the PS2 even came out.  I never saw so much hype.  That console didn't stand a chance with what was coming later.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: bork on March 10, 2016, 01:09:15 PM
Sorry but I don't reply to people that fisk!

 ???
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 10, 2016, 01:12:07 PM
ps2 took a steaming pile on pc graphics of the time like usual at the beginning of a console cycle.

Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 10, 2016, 01:18:04 PM
Sorry but I don't reply to people that fisk!

 ???

Replying in multiple quotes rather than the content of someone's post. It makes it easy for you to take bits and pieces to fit an argument or agenda rather than respond to the content of a post.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Fisking
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: mormapope on March 10, 2016, 01:18:29 PM
The 2D to 3D jump wasn't big because of the graphics, it was because of entirely new gameplay possibilities. Something simply being in 3D was definitely a leap, but the PS1 to PS2 jump is the biggest visual leap thus far in this medium. That initial 2D to 3D jump was the biggest leap in regards to gameplay.

...And I would agree with you if there weren't other consoles (and PC games!) released between the PS1 and PS2. :P

PC games had much larger play areas and maps, but the visuals weren't that much better than what was going on with consoles. Another huge difference would be gameplay, since the PC hardware allowed for more ambitious stuff technically. The Dreamcast is also in the same gen as the PS2, it would be the first next gen console that generation.

Its incredibly hard to debate anecdotal reception of visual transitions. I'd say it would be disingenuous to treat the PS1 to Dreamcast/PS2 leap as being simply okay, not saying you're saying that though.

During the PS1/n64/Saturn days, arcade games were whooping their candy asses when it came to graphics. With the Dreamcast, near perfect arcade ports were happening as the norm. By the time the PS2 reached its stride in 2001, arcade games no longer had the same sheen and shine.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: bork on March 10, 2016, 01:27:02 PM
Sorry but I don't reply to people that fisk!

 ???

Replying in multiple quotes rather than the content of someone's post. It makes it easy for you to take bits and pieces to fit an argument or agenda rather than respond to the content of a post.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Fisking

I'm just trying to have a discussion with you about video games.  If you don't want to do it, OK.  Will stop wasting my time.

:idont
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: bork on March 10, 2016, 01:30:58 PM
The Dreamcast is also in the same gen as the PS2, it would be the first next gen console that generation.

Yeah, definitely.  It had what would arguably be the first better-than-the-arcade port in Soul Calibur.  I can't remember another game that came out on a home console and actually looked that much better than the arcade version before it.  Tekken Tag 2 wasn't even as impressive in comparison to SC IMO.  SC was a much more aesthetically-pleasing game with better animation, but then I've always felt that way about SC and Tekken.

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During the PS1/n64/Saturn days, arcade games were whooping their candy asses when it came to graphics. With the Dreamcast, near perfect arcade ports were happening as the norm. By the time the PS2 reached its stride in 2001, arcade games no longer had the same sheen and shine.

By the time the PS2 started taking off, arcade were closing down left and right...the focus just wasn't there anymore.  But yeah, the DC was where we were getting near perfect or perfect 3D arcade ports.  We already had that for 2D games with the Saturn.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 10, 2016, 01:33:31 PM
DC definitely upped the ante for arcade perfect 3d games. It's like I said, that generation made arcades irrelevant. While it's true arcades starting dying down, there wasn't much reason to go there anymore when you could play Soul Caliber 2 on your home system and it'd look just as good.

But again, regarding DC, DC was limited by its own medium. dvd allowed ps2 and xbox to do things dc never could. There's nothing on dc bar Shenmue that looks as good FF10 or MGS2 and I doubt DC would ever reach the highs of FF12 or Okami either.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 10, 2016, 01:55:03 PM
Also, like I said. You're biased in this. It's pretty clear that you paid attention to fighting games, but other genres didn't improve THAT much considerably on DC. Let's take RPGs, which at the time were all about increasing graphical dividends.

Grandia 2 and Skies and Phantasy Star Online looked better than ps1 rpgs but not CONSIDERABLY better.

Dark Cloud and Skies of Arcadia came out the same year.

(http://i.imgur.com/pKrUzLI.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/LZ4KxPb.jpg)

A lot of DC games looked like marginally better N64 games.

Resident Evil Code Veronica was the first full 3d RE.

(http://i.imgur.com/HOzSJYS.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/4ABWC1R.jpg)

It doesn't look considerably better than a ps1 RE at all.

Compared to DMC it's not really that impressive.

(http://www.destructoid.com/ul/242517-carter-s-quest-2013-devil-may-cry/DMC1-620x.jpg)

Dreamcast wasn't THAT much of a leap for most games. DC is a system with a whole lot of fighters, so those look great. But a lot of other games? PS2 knocked those out before it even got warmed up. It's not even close. I think a lot of people put Dreamcast on a pedestal, as great a system it was. With few exceptions, it wasn't particularly mind blowing. What DC is great at is fidelity in that it had HD capabilities other systems didn't have. So DC has aged better than those in that you can hook one up today with vga and it'd look great, but if you hook up a ps2 with component cables to an lcd you're going to have a bad time.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 10, 2016, 02:17:08 PM
Lot of DC games looked like marginally better N64 games? Please stop posting and spreading fud. You sound like a ps2 ad.

Also the fucking SH 2 screens you posted is not how crisp the game looked at all on Ps2. Everything looked blurry.

The revisionist history that ps2 wasn't mind blowing is.. blowing my mind

There's no agenda going on here.  You're not see the perspective that the change from the focus being on sprite-based 16 bit graphics to 32-bit 3D polygon-based graphics was the bigger leap.

:idont

This is what Im saying
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 10, 2016, 02:24:18 PM
The revisionist history that ps2 wasn't mind blowing is.. blowing my mind

There's no agenda going on here.  You're not see the perspective that the change from the focus being on sprite-based 16 bit graphics to 32-bit 3D polygon-based graphics was the bigger leap.

:idont

It was a leap, but it wasn't a bigger leap besides gameplay, and even gameplay-wise the jury is still out. A lot of early of 3d games still ultimately played like 2d games. No one is saying 2d -> 3d wasn't a leap. The point of contention is that 32 bit -> 128 was equally as big a leap in terms of both gameplay and graphics. When Lager says he didn't like ps2 because he had "seen it all before" it's pretty hard to take him seriously.

Lot of DC games looked like marginally better N64 games? Please stop posting and spreading fud. You sound like a ps2 ad.

Also the fucking SH 2 screens you posted is not how crisp the game looked at all on Ps2. Everything looked blurry.


My favorite system is the ps1.

Was SH2 blurry because of the output or was it blurry because of the games limitations of the ps2? SH2 wasn't that blurry at all.

I didn't say all DC games looked like marginally better N64 games. But many did.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 10, 2016, 02:29:42 PM
FYI gap between DC and PS2 was tiny compared to PS2 to Xbox.

Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 10, 2016, 02:33:54 PM
Xbox definitely ruled the roost that generation. But this didn't start out about graphics. You said ps2 wasn't a great system because you had "seen it all before".

You argued ps1 had better games based on:

The PS1 has loads over PS2 so uuuh

Ps2 didnt even have proper online, whole system was behind the game imho thats why I didnt bother

Nothing on it looked good or exciting cause I played it all on PS1 already and didnt want to waste time with more of the same

I was playing Diablo 2 and Counter Strike sorry

Unless you want to admit, right now, that you were trolling.

Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 10, 2016, 02:38:19 PM
Maybe a bit you know

Edit: still prefer ps1 games
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 10, 2016, 03:14:57 PM
My DS library

Mine:

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999
Away: Shuffle Dungeon (I was a big Mistwalker fan at one point)
Animal Crossing: Wild World
Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney
Bangai-O Spirits (GOAT ds game)
Blue Dragon Awakened Shadow
Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow
Castlevania: Portrait of Ruin
Castlevania: Order of Ecclesia
Chrono Trigger
Contact
Contra 4
Culdcept
DAIGASSO! Band Bros
Dragon Ball Origins
Dragon Ball Origins 2
Dragon Quest 4: Chapters of the Chosen
Dragon Quest 5: Hand of the Heavenly Bride
Dragon Quest 6: Realms of Revelation
Dragon Quest 9: Sentinels of the Starry Skies
Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker 1
Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker 2
Dragon Quest: Rocket Slime
Etrian Odyssey
Elibits
Elite Beat Agents
Feel The Magic XX/YY
Final Fantasy 3
Final Fantasy 4
Final Fantasy Tactics A2: Grimoire of the Rift
Flower Sun and Rain
Ghost Trick: Phantom Detective
Grand Theft Auto: Chinatown Wars
Great Giana Sisters
Henry Hatsworth
Hotel Dusk
Infinite Space
Kirby Canvas Curse
Legend of Kage 2 (stump recommended this kusoge, I regret it)
Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story
Meteos
Mega Man ZX
Mega Man ZXA
Metal Slug 7
Might and Magic: Clash of Heroes
Mystery Dungeon: Shiren the Wanderer
New Super Mario Brothers
Ninja Gaiden Dragon Sword
Okamiden (unopened, need to give it a shot)
Ouendan!
Ouendan! 2
Phoenix Wright:Ace Attorney
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney 2
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney 3
Pokemon Black 2
Professor Layton and the Curious Village
Radiant Historia
Retro Game Challenge
Retro Game Challenge 2
Rhythm Heaven
Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor
Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey
Space Invaders Extreme 2
Suikoden Tierkreis
Super Mario 64 DS
The World Ends With You
Trace Memory
Trauma Center: Under The Knife
Trauma Center: Under The Knife 2
WarioWare Touched
Yoshi's Island 2
Yosumin

From another time and another life, I really loved video games. :( I'd like catch up on ds games I missed. Mostly imports. I'd like to play Pokemon Soul Silver but it's expensive af.

Besides ps2, ds is the system I own the most games for. It really helps they were so much cheaper than other games at the time. A retail price of 30-35 dollars per game really built a big collection. You could buy two ds games for half the cost of a console retail game last gen. :bow
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 10, 2016, 03:26:53 PM
http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E4%BB%BB%E5%A4%A9%E5%A0%82-Soul-Silver-%E3%83%9D%E3%82%B1%E3%83%83%E3%83%88%E3%83%A2%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B9%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC-%E3%82%BD%E3%82%A6%E3%83%AB%E3%82%B7%E3%83%AB%E3%83%90%E3%83%BC/dp/B002HWR0TS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1457641579&sr=8-1&keywords=%E3%83%9D%E3%82%B1%E3%83%83%E3%83%88%E3%83%A2%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B9%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC+%E3%82%BD%E3%82%A6%E3%83%AB%E3%82%B7%E3%83%AB%E3%83%90%E3%83%BC

900 yen versus 50 + dollars. Bought.

:)
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: demi on March 10, 2016, 03:43:58 PM
Counterfeit
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on March 10, 2016, 03:48:40 PM
Holy fucking shit SS complete is going for 200 on ebay? When did this happen? I didn't get it that long ago and I sure as fuck didn't pay anywhere close to that
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mr. Nobody on March 10, 2016, 03:50:41 PM
DS is my top favorite handheld and definitely one of my favorite systems of all time. Even though half (if not most) of Nintendo's output was massive trash but the third parties is what made the system truly shine.

Ace Attorney and Ghost Trick. Oh man.  :lawd

In speaking of, despite Ace Attorney Investigations 1 (Edgeworth spinoff) being kinda trash, the second game is really great. I definitely recommend playing the fan translation of that game as it feels pretty close to the official localization of the series.

The translation of 2 was fantastic. Seriously awesome work from that team.


The game itself though  :dayum

Case 3 should've been the GOAT case of the series and it just fell flat by being overly long and ultimately uninteresting.  :-\
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: demi on March 10, 2016, 03:50:54 PM
Pokemon games always have good resale.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 10, 2016, 03:51:06 PM
I haven't played a single Ace Attorney Investigations game. After Apollo I couldn't take more mediocrity.

Counterfeit

 :idont

Will get me the game. We'll see if it's counterfeit.

Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 10, 2016, 03:52:54 PM
While I generally agree with Mods Help and Positive Touch here, there is a point to what Lager is saying.

The PS2, for all intents and purposes, is the perfect video game console. Was all you'd ever need from a console at that point and stands as timeless. Buuuut when it came to moving forward the OG Xbox is probably the most emulated. Introducing hard drive disk saving, Xbox live, more PC games and features to consoles forever changed the game and I hanged standards to what consoles should have. Unlike the Wii, which promised a revolution but ultimately ended up as a fad, the Xbox is a big game changer.

No matter how you slice it. At the end of the day the PS2/GCN/Dreamcast/Xbox generation is probably the best overall console gaming wise. Maybe not as exciting as the 3D barrier being broken, but led to refinement and experimentation while a lot of 3D gaming got figured out. Such a wonderful time to play videogames.

ps2/gc/xbox/dc gen is the GOAT.

good point on the xbox.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: CatsCatsCats on March 10, 2016, 03:54:50 PM
Dual shock has been trash in every iteration, sry
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 10, 2016, 03:55:47 PM
Dual shock has been trash in every iteration, sry

no arguments tbh. i hate the dual shock. I thought ds1 and ds2 were good at the time, but 3 and 4 are horrendous

xbox s-controller really stepped up what a 3d controller should be like
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mr. Nobody on March 10, 2016, 03:59:10 PM
I'm using a dualshock 4 right now and you're wrong  :maf
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mods Help on March 10, 2016, 04:01:54 PM
:idont

that battery life

those sticks

:kobeyuck
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Mr. Nobody on March 10, 2016, 04:42:00 PM
Battery life could be better  :-\

Sticks are alright though imo
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: qq more on March 10, 2016, 05:00:27 PM
What's the battery life on the DS4? I remember DS3's fine being from what I remember.


@Mods Help, I'll probably list my DS games eventually. I have maybe 40 games?

EDIT: 43 roughly
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: bork on March 10, 2016, 09:54:14 PM
But again, regarding DC, DC was limited by its own medium. dvd allowed ps2 and xbox to do things dc never could. There's nothing on dc bar Shenmue that looks as good FF10 or MGS2 and I doubt DC would ever reach the highs of FF12 or Okami either.

Well, let's be fair here- clearly the PS2 was the more powerful system (and doubly so for the Xbox), but it's not like it lasted long enough for us to see what could have really have been done with it, especially when Square never touched the console and MGS never saw release on it either.

Also, like I said. You're biased in this. It's pretty clear that you paid attention to fighting games, but other genres didn't improve THAT much considerably on DC.

 :lol I only started talking about fighting games for all these examples because you did.  Fighting games were the showcase genre for a while there, so they make for good examples.  I played/owned just about everything back then.  I worked at the only used/import game store in the entire city.  I saw and played literally everything that came out and heard the opinions and saw the perspectives of countless other people who came through there.

On the RPG thing, the company pumping out the visually-impressive titles was Square.  No question about it...and they went with Sony.

A lot of DC games looked like marginally better N64 games.

 :doge

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Resident Evil Code Veronica was the first full 3d RE.

(http://i.imgur.com/HOzSJYS.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/4ABWC1R.jpg)

It doesn't look considerably better than a ps1 RE at all.

Better character models, a higher resolution, AA (something the PS2 lacked), real-time lighting, and fully-3D backgrounds doesn't look "considerably better" to you?  If anything, compare Code Veronica to Dino Crisis 1, not to the REs that used pre-rendered backgrounds.

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Compared to DMC it's not really that impressive.

I can certainly agree with you on this.  Or rather, that DMC1 was a much more visually impressive game at the time.

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Dreamcast wasn't THAT much of a leap for most games. DC is a system with a whole lot of fighters, so those look great. But a lot of other games? PS2 knocked those out before it even got warmed up. It's not even close. I think a lot of people put Dreamcast on a pedestal, as great a system it was. With few exceptions, it wasn't particularly mind blowing. What DC is great at is fidelity in that it had HD capabilities other systems didn't have. So DC has aged better than those in that you can hook one up today with vga and it'd look great, but if you hook up a ps2 with component cables to an lcd you're going to have a bad time.

Once again, you keep going back to graphics and nothing but.  People weren't into Phantasy Star Online for the visuals-- it was being able to play it online with three other people that was the draw.  Sony didn't even have online capabilities in their console at the time.  They even improved it further with voice chat in games like Alien Front Online.  There were definitely a lot of fighters -it was a a big 'arcade' machine- but you also had amazing ports of games like Crazy Taxi, Outtrigger, Daytona, Virtua Tennis, and The House Of The Dead 2 among others-- and by "amazing," I mean the port quality...consistently-high framerates and resolutions.  And let's not forget about original mind-blowing titles like Jet Set Radio with that crazy cel-shading.  It's just too bad that the majority of consumers just didn't give a shit about any of this stuff.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: bork on March 10, 2016, 09:56:37 PM
What's the battery life on the DS4? I remember DS3's fine being from what I remember.

The DS4 has the worst battery life of all the Sony controllers.  Noticeably worse than the DS3.  It helps to turn the controller light setting down, but you're not going to get anywhere near the amount of battery life out of it on a single charge compared to the DS3. 

Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: chronovore on March 10, 2016, 09:59:23 PM
Games on ps1 had second stick but ps1 games did not use the second stick how we use it now. It was pretty experimental. Most ps1 games didn't even use the stick. Ape escape was the first that truly used it in a meaningful way. Second stick use was so uncommon Dreamcast didn't even come with a second stick. In those days cameras were dictated by bumpers, mostly L1 and R1 or in DC's case, both triggers. That said the first game to use the analog stick for camera controls was a ps1 game: Alien Resurrection which came out in 2000. Halo and Timesplitters popularized it. The second stick was barely used in most ps1 games. And "requiring" second stick is a pretty big deal considering that's the entire point of the second sticks modern use: it's a required feature.

I'm confused; what second stick are you talking about? The original DualShock controller? Because NEITHER analog stick would be implemented well; no-one supported them because it's unwise to make nonstandard hardware (anything which doesn't ship in the console's box) central to gameplay.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: bork on March 10, 2016, 10:06:50 PM
My small DS collection:

(http://i.imgur.com/5zaCPc7l.jpg)

That Kanji dictionary on the top is probably my most-played "game."  Under that is a version of Puyo Puyo that had a bug, which IIRC would erase your scores.  I tried getting rid of it but no stores would accept it.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: Yeti on March 11, 2016, 12:20:02 AM
I was trying to find the cable to my stereo and I stumbled across a shoebox that had most of my DS collection in it.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://i.imgur.com/RHGnp5c.jpg)
[close]
I haven't even played a lot of these games  :doge I think I'll start up one of them tomorrow, any suggestions on what I should pick?

Choose from:

Drill Dozer
Drawn to Life
Contact
Puzzle Quest
Starfox Command (didn't even know there was a DS Starfox game, let alone that I owned it :doge)
Pokémon White
The World Ends With You
Meteos Disney Magic (Not Pictured)
Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon (Not Pictured)
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: bork on March 11, 2016, 12:27:46 AM
I didn't know there was another Meteos game.  Had a lot of fun with that one.

I wish I still had Drill Dozer for the GBA.  I don't have much drive to get old DS games but I'd like to own some GBA games I never had or no longer own again.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: demi on March 11, 2016, 02:25:23 AM
You tryna sell any of that yeti love?
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 11, 2016, 10:58:34 AM
DSi :lawd
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: qq more on March 11, 2016, 12:11:37 PM
I was trying to find the cable to my stereo and I stumbled across a shoebox that had most of my DS collection in it.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://i.imgur.com/RHGnp5c.jpg)
[close]
I haven't even played a lot of these games  :doge I think I'll start up one of them tomorrow, any suggestions on what I should pick?

Choose from:

Drill Dozer
Drawn to Life
Contact
Puzzle Quest
Starfox Command (didn't even know there was a DS Starfox game, let alone that I owned it :doge)
Pokémon White
The World Ends With You
Meteos Disney Magic (Not Pictured)
Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon (Not Pictured)
Star Fox Command was trash after a while. It was somewhat fun at first but it got really repetitive and just very bothersome dealing with the damn missles.  :lol The endings were so bad too, it was fanfiction level, not even kidding.

Drill Dozer is a fantastic underrated game. Made by the same folks who did Pokemon.

I didn't know there was another Meteos game.  Had a lot of fun with that one.

I wish I still had Drill Dozer for the GBA.  I don't have much drive to get old DS games but I'd like to own some GBA games I never had or no longer own again.
It seems Drill Dozer is rising up a bit in price. It used to be 10ish dollars new and sealed a few years back, but now that's not even the price for used. (It's 15 bucks used according to amazon) Wonder what spiked it? Sudden awareness?

DSi :lawd
DSiXL and the screen quality on both  :lawd :lawd

Really wished the 3DS kept up with it instead of going backwards.  :-\ Not even the New 3DS XL has that great of a screen.
Title: Re: Nintendo ds was a top 5 system
Post by: tiesto on March 11, 2016, 12:43:48 PM
I was trying to find the cable to my stereo and I stumbled across a shoebox that had most of my DS collection in it.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://i.imgur.com/RHGnp5c.jpg)
[close]
I haven't even played a lot of these games  :doge I think I'll start up one of them tomorrow, any suggestions on what I should pick?

Choose from:

Drill Dozer
Drawn to Life
Contact
Puzzle Quest
Starfox Command (didn't even know there was a DS Starfox game, let alone that I owned it :doge)
Pokémon White
The World Ends With You
Meteos Disney Magic (Not Pictured)
Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon (Not Pictured)

TWEWY is one of my favorite original DS games, great music and aesthetic. Lots of interesting and unique systems. I'ddefinitely recommend that... and also Radiant Historia if you haven't played it yet!