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Title: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: Rufus on April 26, 2016, 12:00:40 PM
B-b-but I turned out fine!

http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/1113413810/spanking-defiance-health-discipline-042616/
Title: Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: Mupepe on April 26, 2016, 12:03:08 PM
Makes sense.  I'm kind of fucked up.
Title: Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 26, 2016, 12:08:32 PM
Not shocking.
Title: Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: archnemesis on April 26, 2016, 12:10:59 PM
Corporal punishment of children is child abuse.
Title: Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 26, 2016, 12:13:08 PM
I can see why this would happen.
Title: Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 26, 2016, 12:13:46 PM
Makes sense.  I'm kind of fucked up.

You getting a hand to your bottom isn't the reason you're fucked up, it's just one of the reasons!


Anyway growing up we got our ass whupped, mama tolerated no shit. And I watched all my friends get whupped too. It was normal back them.

Now? I don't hit my kids. I mean I'll never tell anybody how to raise theirs but I'll step in like a did a few months ago when a woman was literally going ham on her 4 year old at the mall. No reason to add public humiliation to the the spanking in my opinion.
Title: Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 26, 2016, 12:40:02 PM
It's never one thing though. A parent that is abusive is likely lacking in a lot of other areas which can further exacerbate whatever becomes of the child. Stress, low intelligence, alcoholism, neglect, low income, overworked, divorce, etc etc all go hand in hand with an abusive parent or parents.

You can be a parent that never raises a hand towards your child, but if you work 14 hours a day and barely attend to their basic needs, they are going to be equally as fucked.


Personally, I don't have a problem with occasionally swatting a 3 or 4 year old to correct them. But you can't tell average people that because some are stupid and lazy and will take it to the extreme.
Title: Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 26, 2016, 12:58:43 PM
It's never one thing though. A parent that is abusive is likely lacking in a lot of other areas which can further exacerbate whatever becomes of the child. Stress, low intelligence, alcoholism, neglect, low income, overworked, divorce, etc etc all go hand in hand with an abusive parent or parents.

You can be a parent that never raises a hand towards your child, but if you work 14 hours a day and barely attend to their basic needs, they are going to be equally as fucked.


Personally, I don't have a problem with occasionally swatting a 3 or 4 year old to correct them. But you can't tell average people that because some are stupid and lazy and will take it to the extreme.

Well said.

I don't swat but I do grab and shoulder squeeze when required. The 5th time dad has to tell you you aren't getting (Insert item here) and you continue to whine you are getting a spock style death squeeze for a second.

Tip: Don't try that with your wife
Title: Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: Rufus on April 26, 2016, 01:03:53 PM
It's never one thing though. A parent that is abusive is likely lacking in a lot of other areas which can further exacerbate whatever becomes of the child. Stress, low intelligence, alcoholism, neglect, low income, overworked, divorce, etc etc all go hand in hand with an abusive parent or parents.

You can be a parent that never raises a hand towards your child, but if you work 14 hours a day and barely attend to their basic needs, they are going to be equally as fucked.
It's my understanding that what they looked at here is what qualifies as 'spanking', rather than abuse. I'd love to look at the paper regarding the other factors, but I'm not paying 12$ for it and I can't find this year's issues of the journal on lib.gen. :<
Title: Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 26, 2016, 01:05:14 PM
It's never one thing though. A parent that is abusive is likely lacking in a lot of other areas which can further exacerbate whatever becomes of the child. Stress, low intelligence, alcoholism, neglect, low income, overworked, divorce, etc etc all go hand in hand with an abusive parent or parents.

You can be a parent that never raises a hand towards your child, but if you work 14 hours a day and barely attend to their basic needs, they are going to be equally as fucked.
It's my understanding that what they looked at here is what qualifies as 'spanking', rather than abuse. I'd love to look at the paper regarding the other factors, but I'm not paying 12$ for it and I can't find this year's issues of the journal on lib.gen. :<

Not sure how you can scientifically decide that as there are so many factors at play. Size of person, power of strikes, verbal abuse, etc.
Title: Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: nachobro on April 26, 2016, 01:15:14 PM
Well said.

I don't swat but I do grab and shoulder squeeze when required. The 5th time dad has to tell you you aren't getting (Insert item here) and you continue to whine you are getting a spock style death squeeze for a second.

Tip: Don't try that with your wife
I got the death squeeze as a kid. That was the signal that a gasket was gonna be blown real quick.
Title: Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: Rufus on April 26, 2016, 01:16:34 PM
It's never one thing though. A parent that is abusive is likely lacking in a lot of other areas which can further exacerbate whatever becomes of the child. Stress, low intelligence, alcoholism, neglect, low income, overworked, divorce, etc etc all go hand in hand with an abusive parent or parents.

You can be a parent that never raises a hand towards your child, but if you work 14 hours a day and barely attend to their basic needs, they are going to be equally as fucked.
It's my understanding that what they looked at here is what qualifies as 'spanking', rather than abuse. I'd love to look at the paper regarding the other factors, but I'm not paying 12$ for it and I can't find this year's issues of the journal on lib.gen. :<

Not sure how you can scientifically decide that as there are so many factors at play. Size of person, power of strikes, verbal abuse, etc.
Well, all I can find is "Our analysis focuses on what most Americans would recognize as spanking and not on potentially abusive behaviors". Difficult to tell what that actually means.

edit: Nevermind, I'm just fucking blind. :doge

"Gershoff and co-author Andrew Grogan-Kaylor, an associate professor at the University of Michigan School of Social Work, found that spanking (defined as an open-handed hit on the behind or extremities) was significantly linked with 13 of the 17 outcomes they examined, all in the direction of detrimental outcomes."
http://news.utexas.edu/2016/04/25/risks-of-harm-from-spanking-confirmed-by-researchers (this one's more detailed)
Title: Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 26, 2016, 02:48:10 PM
That's where the conversation gets tricky though. Where do you draw the line between 'child beating' and simple discipline?

Swatting your kid for every infraction is abuse, but giving him a swat because he ran out into the street without looking/asking for assistance is okay in my eyes. You are giving him a negative response for something that could potentially kill him.

 
Title: Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: Steve Contra on April 26, 2016, 02:50:52 PM
Basically don't do to your child what would get you arrested for doing to an adult.
Title: Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: Brehvolution on April 26, 2016, 04:03:46 PM
If you want to see the difference between discipline and abuse, go to walmart and you will see some of both.

I remember getting spanked in school by the principal a few times between grades of 1 and 4. It was a christian school and my parents had to sign off on it I'm sure. You were told how many whacks you were going to get and you got to sit in his office and cry it out before you had to go back to your classroom. Looking back on it the shit is pretty barbaric. If I saw the dude now, I'd have no remorse in paying his elderly ass back with a few whacks to his backside. Dude is probably in hell now anyway.

Title: Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: Mupepe on April 26, 2016, 05:36:35 PM
If you want to see the difference between discipline and abuse, go to walmart and you will see some of both.

I remember getting spanked in school by the principal a few times between grades of 1 and 4. It was a christian school and my parents had to sign off on it I'm sure. You were told how many whacks you were going to get and you got to sit in his office and cry it out before you had to go back to your classroom. Looking back on it the shit is pretty barbaric. If I saw the dude now, I'd have no remorse in paying his elderly ass back with a few whacks to his backside. Dude is probably in hell now anyway.
My stepmoms Dad was the principal at my elementary where they used a paddle. That shit sucked bro
Title: Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: CatsCatsCats on April 26, 2016, 06:08:16 PM
Beat em as hard as you can, and if they live they're witches
Title: Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: brawndolicious on April 26, 2016, 06:57:19 PM
In most immigrant families, corporal punishment is more violent than the style that's here where you get "assigned" a number of spankings to be administered in a specific manner. I don't think I know anyone my age who's okay with that since it just makes you afraid of them until you're old enough to be stronger than them.

Clearly it fucks up family dynamics even more. I'm not saying that everybody from Asia/middle-east does that but it's very common and probably explains the emotional distance most of us have with out parents in adulthood.
Title: Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 27, 2016, 12:57:14 PM
My trick to beating children is just to not be their parents.  You jump out of a bush at them and they aint going to stop you.  Not with those tinny little arms.  They have no reach. 
Title: Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: king of the internet on April 27, 2016, 01:00:00 PM
All I remember is laughter defiantly as my mom took the spoon to me  8)
Title: Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: G The Resurrected on April 27, 2016, 04:12:13 PM
I grew up in a violent home as a child and it didn't matter what I did wrong I was abused daily. I turned out fine.....  ::)

Doesn't help that I try and have a relationship with the abuser after all of these years and he still doesn't understand the damage he caused. I think that makes the better person that I can see past the faults of someone so evil and forgive them for what they did to me. I don't know what the driving factor was at the time outside of stress,drugs, and general unhappiness but he seems to have moved on as well and that's good for everyone.

But the past did happen and while I don't blame it for the choices I've made in my life, it really did influence it heavily. I can't change that, but I can change the future and strive to never be that person.
Title: Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 27, 2016, 05:50:16 PM
All I remember is laughter defiantly as my mom took the spoon to me  8)

:cac
Title: Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: mormapope on April 27, 2016, 05:57:36 PM
I'm a firm believer in:

If someone constantly spanks their kid or a kid they're looking after, or do physical shit as punishment for any type of misbehavior or mistake, that kid reserves the right to beat the shit out of the parent or guardian when they're elderly or whenever the kid has enough power as a teen or adult. 

Title: Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 27, 2016, 05:59:03 PM
PD, you ever laugh at your mom when she went biblical on that ass?

Seriously, white people.....
Title: Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: Mupepe on April 27, 2016, 06:18:35 PM
PD, you ever laugh at your mom when she went biblical on that ass?

Seriously, white people.....
#notallwhitepeople

It wasn't a laughing matter when my dad busted out a wooden paddle with holes drilled in it.
Title: Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 27, 2016, 06:23:10 PM
White mothers need to step their game up, I laughed at my mom when she tried to spank me with a spoon at like 13 or 14.

:yeshrug
Title: Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: Atramental on April 27, 2016, 06:33:08 PM
I was a little pansy as a child so getting a spanking terrified the fuck out me.

Now as an adult I realize I was only getting swatted with only 15% of my dad or mom's strength.  :doge
Title: Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: Mupepe on April 27, 2016, 06:41:56 PM
My mom also loved to throw shit. I mean irons, plates, laundry baskets. Whatever she had in her hand. It's a joke now in the family that when we got older we learned to check out what was in her hands before we gave her bad news.
Title: Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: CatsCatsCats on April 27, 2016, 07:02:48 PM
Cmon, nothing about PD's upbringing that I've heard before leads me to believe he was ever hit, but I'll let him speak for himself on that.

Sign me up for team white got hit
Title: Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 27, 2016, 07:42:42 PM
Not being able to watch the Simpsons was enough abuse.  No need to hit a child who is already broke. 
Title: Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 27, 2016, 08:20:40 PM
I look back at my disciplinary history as BG and AG: Before Gluestick and After Gluestick. Getting spanked with a belt or hand wasn't that bad. TBH I rarely got spankings anyway, compared to my brothers.

But when my mom got that gluestick shit changed brehs. My mom was looking for any reason to bust your ass. I got spanked with that shit one time, never again.

Imagine getting spanked by a flexible, thick gluestick that moves at the speed of lightning. Ten inches. #dualities

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It really all does go back to our parents.  :doge
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Title: Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: CatsCatsCats on April 27, 2016, 08:25:55 PM
Alright, I straight up apologize for acting like I knew your life.

You mean like a glue rod refill thing for a hot glue gun?
Title: Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: Atramental on April 27, 2016, 08:33:31 PM
I'm starting to see a pattern in here.  :doge

edit: Father Mike... what about you?  :leon
Title: Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 27, 2016, 08:42:02 PM
Nah.  From where I come from, not hitting your children has been in vogue for a few generations.

White privilege :bow2
Title: Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: Atramental on April 27, 2016, 08:44:58 PM
But... but... the things you post.  :doge
Title: Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 27, 2016, 08:47:14 PM
What can I say.  I was bullied for a week during grade 3. 
Title: Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: Atramental on April 27, 2016, 08:47:50 PM
 :fbm
Title: Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 27, 2016, 08:58:48 PM
Did you take back a like?  That's completely uncivilized internet behavior.  No wonder your parents beat your pansy ass.
Title: Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: Atramental on April 27, 2016, 08:59:24 PM
It didn't seem right to like a sad post.  :'(
Title: Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 27, 2016, 09:03:27 PM
It was a joke post making light of the fact that people try to back project all their problems to childhood incidents.  The joke being that one week in grade three is the reason I need to kill. 
Title: Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 27, 2016, 09:26:08 PM
When your mom told you your dad was gonna spank you when he got home :tocry

The anticipation>the actual spanking :tocry

Title: Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: Atramental on April 27, 2016, 09:26:57 PM
That shit was THE WORST.  :noah
Title: Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: chronovore on April 27, 2016, 09:53:17 PM
Which is another form of bullshit parenting: putting it on the other parent to do the disciplining after the first has passed judgement. My parents did this sometimes, and it seemed unfair to my father in retrospect.
Title: Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: thisismyusername on April 27, 2016, 10:36:26 PM
The worst I ever got was flat hand. No belts, no fists. Just flat hand. I don't know if I agree with that method or the squeeze A_I_A goes with. Generally ignoring the kid for a bit will get them to calm down, but that might seem like neglect and doing that in public isn't the best method. :doge

Not that I'm one for parenting tips.
Title: Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 28, 2016, 02:39:35 AM
The worst I ever got was flat hand. No belts, no fists. Just flat hand. I don't know if I agree with that method or the squeeze A_I_A goes with. Generally ignoring the kid for a bit will get them to calm down, but that might seem like neglect and doing that in public isn't the best method. :doge

Not that I'm one for parenting tips.

Ha ha this taco says ignore your kids and it will go away...

You're not qualified to provide any more answers here.
Title: Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on April 28, 2016, 03:12:53 AM
I got spanked by my dad with a belt once on my ass (because I was bullying some girl or something on holiday). It was really normal back then in Poland and everyone I knew also got a spanking sometimes.

I won't be spanking my kids though.
Title: Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: Fifstar on April 28, 2016, 03:21:38 AM
It's never one thing though. A parent that is abusive is likely lacking in a lot of other areas which can further exacerbate whatever becomes of the child. Stress, low intelligence, alcoholism, neglect, low income, overworked, divorce, etc etc all go hand in hand with an abusive parent or parents.

If it's a good study, they looked at factors like these if possible and did control their results for that.


Anyway growing up we got our ass whupped, mama tolerated no shit. And I watched all my friends get whupped too. It was normal back them.

Yeah I believe there is truth to that. If some degree of phyiscal punishment is normal in your surrounding, it's gonna have less emotional impact than if you're the only kid in class that gets hit by your parents. I mean, physical punishment was probably part of most cultures and our ancestors weren't all psychos. Still it's obvious that not hitting kids will have a positive impact on societies general attidudes towards violence (and the well being of kids).

Title: Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on April 28, 2016, 03:23:28 AM
As with everything a person relates to their surroundings, poverty, social mobility, attitude towards woman etc.
Title: Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
Post by: Atramental on April 28, 2016, 03:34:17 AM
The worst I ever got was flat hand. No belts, no fists. Just flat hand. I don't know if I agree with that method or the squeeze A_I_A goes with. Generally ignoring the kid for a bit will get them to calm down, but that might seem like neglect and doing that in public isn't the best method. :doge

Not that I'm one for parenting tips.
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