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Title: Hollywood's 100 year plan? Failed. Lazy Millennials on their phones win again.
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 05, 2016, 10:22:21 PM
http://www.salon.com/2016/06/03/the_end_of_hollywood_alice_through_the_looking_glass_is_yet_another_big_budget_flop_and_that_could_mean_a_disastrous_year_for_studios/

TL;DR - Everything except Mahvel baybee and fur filth (Zootopia and Jungle Book) are la bomba. Hollywood to go 3rd party.
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Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 05, 2016, 10:32:56 PM
talkies were a mistake. they're nothing but trash
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 05, 2016, 10:44:07 PM
I only care about marvel so whatever.  The rest can suck it. 
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Post by: Tasty on June 05, 2016, 11:08:10 PM
Bad movie bombs and it's the end of the world. If this means the end of all the Hansel & Gretels, Snow White and the Huntsmens, etc. I'm completely on board.

PS- Fuck Zack Snyder.
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Post by: Tasty on June 05, 2016, 11:12:01 PM
I believe the VOD market should/needs to get stronger over the next couple years. If those revenues get back to DVD levels, you'll see a lot of indie talent getting funded and breaking through. It's on a promising uptick, but yeah, needs to get stronger.

We'll never see another The Matrix (original IP by relative unknowns with a $60+ million budget from a major studio) in our lifetimes unless Hollywood outright reboots itself. That said, the cost of equipment and effects has gotten so ridiculously cheap that we might see its analogue on VOD within the next decade.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on June 05, 2016, 11:12:25 PM
It's not hard to see what the problem is. Hollywood is dumping hundred of millions of dollars into movies that should never have gotten anywhere near that kind money, while simultaneously being excessively worried about taking any chances with the actual content of the movies. Everything's gotta be an insanely expensive, watered-down, tentpole, summer CG-fest.
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Post by: Tasty on June 05, 2016, 11:18:13 PM
It's not hard to see what the problem is. Hollywood is dumping hundred of millions of dollars into movies that should never have gotten anywhere near that kind money, while simultaneously being excessively worried about taking any chances with the actual content of the movies. Everything's gotta be an insanely expensive, watered-down, tentpole, summer CG-fest.

I can't blame the decision makers since they're basically financiers and go where the money is. And the market has spoken: they love the tentpole CG fests. If we wanted to we could go back and blame Spielberg for creating the concept of a blockbuster, but obviously that's not quite fair.
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Post by: helios on June 05, 2016, 11:26:19 PM
Most theaters are trash. Netflix/Amazon/VOD is the future.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 05, 2016, 11:32:49 PM
You know what would really make bank? A slavery movie with super heroes.
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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on June 05, 2016, 11:33:19 PM
I wouldn't foretell hollywood's doom here. The first Alice was pretty crappy. Of course, making a sequel was ill advised from the get-go.
It's like saying "The browns lost again! Football is DOOMED!!"
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Post by: Tasty on June 05, 2016, 11:34:33 PM
You know what would really make bank? A slavery movie with super heroes.

:confused
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Post by: helios on June 05, 2016, 11:35:52 PM
You know what would really make bank? A slavery movie with super heroes.

They already made Birth of a Nation
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 05, 2016, 11:42:51 PM
Nah. DC should take a page from Mahvel's book. What if Batman was not only black, but was born a slave? His parents were killed by slave owners in Gotham, Alabama. Young Bruce was then sold to the plantation of Joker Wayne where he learned all types of skills that would later aide his transition into becoming the Batman.

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Post by: Tasty on June 05, 2016, 11:44:44 PM
Quote
At a time when respected voices like Steven Spielberg, George Lucas, and Steven Soderbergh have prophesied the imminent “implosion” of the studio system, you don’t need a magic mirror to tell you Hollywood could be about to lose its head.

I appreciated this line. Clever.
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Post by: Tasty on June 05, 2016, 11:45:15 PM
Nah. DC should take a page from Mahvel's book. What if Batman was not only black, but was born a slave? His parents were killed by slave owners in Gotham, Alabama. Young Bruce was then sold to the plantation of Joker Wayne where he learned all types of skills that would later aide his transition into becoming the Batman.

:confused

Dude America wants to forget about slavery, lol.

You're getting Black Panther anyways fam.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 05, 2016, 11:54:10 PM
Mobile will save hollywood
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Post by: thisismyusername on June 05, 2016, 11:57:55 PM
I only care about marvel so whatever.  The rest can suck it.

This at this point I only go to theaters for Marvel. If it's Bond, I'll wait for DVD. Anything else is whatever. I'm nearly at the same end on TV, but shows like Halt and Catch Fire and Mr. Robot keep me watching that format.
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Post by: TVC15 on June 05, 2016, 11:58:36 PM
You know what would really make bank? A slavery movie with super heroes.

Too niche. If you really want to make bank, you need to make a movie about white slave owners treating their slaves well, and the slaves being all sing song-y and happy about their lot in life. It would do big numbers with the American Sniper demo.
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Post by: thisismyusername on June 06, 2016, 12:00:49 AM
I wouldn't foretell hollywood's doom here. The first Alice was pretty crappy. Of course, making a sequel was ill advised from the get-go.
It's like saying "The browns lost again! Football is DOOMED!!"

Also this. I didn't necessarily think Disney's live action Alice was bad, but it wasn't great and didn't need a sequel. There's already thousands of adaptations of that story (along with Disney's animated one!) that it feels weird that they keep going to those same wells to redo films.
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Post by: thisismyusername on June 06, 2016, 12:08:00 AM
http://www.ew.com/article/2016/03/20/the-bronze-box-office-bomb


 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :neogaf Oh man.
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Post by: dkdk on June 06, 2016, 12:24:30 AM
http://www.ew.com/article/2016/03/20/the-bronze-box-office-bomb


 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :neogaf Oh man.

ive never even heard of this lol. sounds like they sent it to die tho. oh well if it shows lots of her cleavage off i'll at least watch it thru on netflix.

It's not hard to see what the problem is. Hollywood is dumping hundred of millions of dollars into movies that should never have gotten anywhere near that kind money, while simultaneously being excessively worried about taking any chances with the actual content of the movies. Everything's gotta be an insanely expensive, watered-down, tentpole, summer CG-fest.

common sense and restraint is in short supply out in hollyweird
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Post by: VomKriege on June 06, 2016, 01:53:29 AM
I wouldn't foretell hollywood's doom here. The first Alice was pretty crappy. Of course, making a sequel was ill advised from the get-go.
It's like saying "The browns lost again! Football is DOOMED!!"

Yeah, pretty much, and I'm not one who is to defend the tentpole policy. Majors have all switched to that model since a few years now and seems adamant to continue to do so, even when they are having a good year revenue wise despite having no monster blockbuster (like Universal a couple of years ago, due to delays and planning changes). It would take a full season of flops for everyone to really shift the tide now.

I also think majors are given an excessive lion's share with regars to artistic diversity : they could all go bankrupt tomorrow and movie as a craft would still be doing fine. I think that the top heavy policy will ultimately bite them in the ass, anyway.
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Post by: chronovore on June 06, 2016, 02:19:29 AM
I believe the VOD market should/needs to get stronger over the next couple years. If those revenues get back to DVD levels, you'll see a lot of indie talent getting funded and breaking through. It's on a promising uptick, but yeah, needs to get stronger.

We'll never see another The Matrix (original IP by relative unknowns with a $60+ million budget from a major studio) in our lifetimes unless Hollywood outright reboots itself. That said, the cost of equipment and effects has gotten so ridiculously cheap that we might see its analogue on VOD within the next decade.

There was an essay I read recently talking about the utter irony of our current cinema situation: all the chances are being taken, and all the quality actually being create, in TV rather than cinema. With the advent of so many alternate channels like Showtime, HBO, and Starz, there are so many competitive venues for storytelling.

Meanwhile movies keep trying to out-blockbuster each other with the next "sure thing" only to find that the safe money isn't safe and won't return their money.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 06, 2016, 02:24:32 AM
I think going to the movies has gotten fucking expensive compared to all other entertainment that has stayed the same in price or gotten cheaper (tv, games, music). I mean going to a movie cost 5/10 bucks in the 90's now it's 15 or so. Meanwhile games are still 60 and music or tv cost 7 bucks a month.

So now when I go to the cinema once or twice a year I kind of feel like its only worth it for a cinema experience movie (Revenant/Star Wars), but only AAA movies not B tier like Huntsmen and Divergent (which ill still rent/watch/stream)

Of course Im old and with a kid so cant go to the cinema but If I was 16 Id wouldnt have the cash prob or would rather spend it on Netflix/Spotify/Steam sales an maximize "entertainment"
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Post by: chronovore on June 06, 2016, 02:28:03 AM
It's also worth mentioning that Americans in theaters fucking suck. They decide that their freedom includes shitting on everyone else's experience, so they'll let their kids sit unattended, fighting and talking through the whole thing. There's some shit head with a laser pointer messing with the screen because annoying people is fun for him. Other people want to get details from their neighbor about stuff they missed because they were checking their phone.

So rather than paying theater prices, I'd rather sit home and buy or rent the movie, and enjoy a beer in peace.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 06, 2016, 02:30:10 AM
I dunno what allowances are these days but I think I got 5 bucks a week till I got a job (14?) and I def cant see myself saving up a month to go to the cinema at that age lol.

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Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on June 06, 2016, 02:59:24 AM
hey, you know what might work, making films adults want to see and bettering the theater experience.

I get film nerd angry when on the rare occasions the major studios make a film for adults that they also wuss out and make it PG-13 (Midnight Special, The Secret in Their Eyes, Self/Less all likely wouldn't have made less money if they weren't also creatively compromised). I also get annoyed at continuously being squeezed by ever increasing prices (IMAX showing, 15 bucks please, with popcorn and a soda that's another ten) and somehow still in 2016, in the HD television era, seeing crappy projection quality for said high priced theater tickets.

So yeah, better product, better value.

and superhero shit doesn't count. Grown ass adults might go by the droves to go see Captain Murica' (I was one of them), but I'll wager most of those people go a long time between going to the movies. All the older people with disposable income stay home because nobody is catering to their tastes, and the negative theatrical experience they had last time.
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Post by: Tasty on June 06, 2016, 02:59:46 AM
Another reason to love R-rated movies :aah
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Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on June 06, 2016, 03:00:04 AM
It's also worth mentioning that Americans in theaters fucking suck. They decide that their freedom includes shitting on everyone else's experience, so they'll let their kids sit unattended, fighting and talking through the whole thing. There's some shit head with a laser pointer messing with the screen because annoying people is fun for him. Other people want to get details from their neighbor about stuff they missed because they were checking their phone.

So rather than paying theater prices, I'd rather sit home and buy or rent the movie, and enjoy a beer in peace.
so much this.
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Post by: Tasty on June 06, 2016, 03:01:17 AM
Short article on the VOD stuff I mentioned: http://deadline.com/2016/06/produced-by-conference-ted-mundorff-independent-film-andrew-karpen-1201767438/
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Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on June 06, 2016, 03:26:25 AM
Also sharing the blame, the moviegoing public.

Green Room bombed, it played in every major American city and the vast majority of the American people got to be within driving distance of seeing it at some point. It tanked hard. Its the best film I've seen this year in a walk.

High quality films that were also not challenging, played widely, and utterly bombed would include Black Sea, Midnight Special, Chi-Raq A Most Violent Year, The Rover, Inherent Vice, The Raid 2. And those are just from the last few years. These all could have and should have been big commercial successes, had lots of marketable elements, but they weren't because of... well, I don't know exactly. But if great movies get made, and nobody goes to see them, then we're all really partially responsible for Batman vs. Superman.
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Post by: helios on June 06, 2016, 08:47:56 AM
I wouldn't blame the moviegoing public. They only got so much money to spend.

There was an essay I read recently talking about the utter irony of our current cinema situation: all the chances are being taken, and all the quality actually being create, in TV rather than cinema. With the advent of so many alternate channels like Showtime, HBO, and Starz, there are so many competitive venues for storytelling.

Meanwhile movies keep trying to out-blockbuster each other with the next "sure thing" only to find that the safe money isn't safe and won't return their money.

TV is where all of the magic is happening. Back in the 90s and early 2000s, feature spec scripts sold all of the time. Now, the well is drying up for spec scripts. The major studios aren't buying original scripts anymore. Most of those scripts are going to indie productions. Meanwhile, a determined writer with a show bible and a pilot can get a new show made. Look at Extant. That was Mickey Fisher's first script sold. (https://www.dropbox.com/s/h5s94xou2ld0p96/ANSWERS%20TO%20QUESTIONS%20I'VE%20BEEN%20ASKED.pdf?dl=0) And that was on spec.

That's why Netflix paying 3 million for Max Landis' Bright was such a huge deal. That's unheard of nowadays for spec scripts.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 06, 2016, 10:19:00 AM
You know what would really make bank? A slavery movie with super heroes.

:confused

You know how superman always had that burden - never to hit too hard - always to temper himself in order to better those around him ...
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Post by: Vertigo on June 06, 2016, 11:58:11 AM
Cinemas in north America need to look at all you can eat style subscriptions in the UK I would pay £16.99 a month at cineworld and I could see as many films as I could take. I was seeing up to 5 movies a week at the cinema. You could also book up to 3-4 future movies in advance and choose your desired seat. basically took all the annoyances of modern cinema going and made them palatable.


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Post by: Vertigo on June 06, 2016, 12:01:21 PM
Also sharing the blame, the moviegoing public.

Green Room bombed, it played in every major American city and the vast majority of the American people got to be within driving distance of seeing it at some point. It tanked hard. Its the best film I've seen this year in a walk.

High quality films that were also not challenging, played widely, and utterly bombed would include Black Sea, Midnight Special, Chi-Raq A Most Violent Year, The Rover, Inherent Vice, The Raid 2. And those are just from the last few years. These all could have and should have been big commercial successes, had lots of marketable elements, but they weren't because of... well, I don't know exactly. But if great movies get made, and nobody goes to see them, then we're all really partially responsible for Batman vs. Superman.

The depressing fact is when most people go to a cinema it's not to actually watch a movie more to just hang with other friends,go with a date. The last thing on a lot of these morons minds is the actual film so you see people in the foyer deciding on what film they're going to watch based on it's poster.

A smart cinema would look at cultivating a screening lineup of those smaller overlooked movies and market it for adults who want mildy challenging cinema.


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Post by: TVC15 on June 06, 2016, 12:03:31 PM
I saw Green Room twice in theaters. It's awesome. I hope you people that didn't see it feel like shit, because you are shit.
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 06, 2016, 12:51:46 PM
Too many assholes on their phones during the movie.  If I'm paying $10 to watch a movie, I don't want the theater illuminated by two dozen smartphone screens.  I haven't bothered going for a while because it's not worth the money.
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Post by: nudemacusers on June 06, 2016, 12:54:18 PM
New Independence Day gonna come in and sweep up.

Didn't know who that Melissa rauch chick is but would watch for rack on Netflix :leon
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Post by: tiesto on June 06, 2016, 12:56:25 PM
Didn't know who that Melissa rauch chick is but would watch for rack on Netflix :leon

Only reason I'd admit to watching Big Bang.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 06, 2016, 12:58:30 PM
What are the reasons you won't admit too?
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Post by: helios on June 06, 2016, 01:04:24 PM
Too many assholes on their phones during the movie.  If I'm paying $10 to watch a movie, I don't want the theater illuminated by two dozen smartphone screens.  I haven't bothered going for a while because it's not worth the money.

This is why I go to Alamo Drafthouse and Flix Brewhouse

 :rejoice
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Post by: Atramental on June 06, 2016, 01:16:11 PM
I saw Green Room twice in theaters. It's awesome. I hope you people that didn't see it feel like shit, because you are shit.
Nah. If I saw that movie I'd probably feel like shit afterwards.
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Post by: TVC15 on June 06, 2016, 01:21:03 PM
New Independence Day gonna come in and sweep up.


This is going to drive me so fucking crazy if it happens. At least with Jurassic World, the nostalgia was over a legit good movie. I'm not sure my heart or liver can take it.

Too many assholes on their phones during the movie.  If I'm paying $10 to watch a movie, I don't want the theater illuminated by two dozen smartphone screens.  I haven't bothered going for a while because it's not worth the money.

This is why I go to Alamo Drafthouse and Flix Brewhouse

 :rejoice

I turned into a Drafthouse whore so fast. It just opened in late December and I've already been there 21 times. And the first time I went wasn't until February.
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Post by: Positive Touch on June 06, 2016, 01:41:31 PM
outside of super hero movies, why would i go to the movies when i think most drama flicks are boring af? what is being offered to me
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Post by: VomKriege on June 06, 2016, 01:43:07 PM
hey, you know what might work, making films adults want to see and bettering the theater experience.

I get film nerd angry when on the rare occasions the major studios make a film for adults that they also wuss out and make it PG-13 (Midnight Special, The Secret in Their Eyes, Self/Less all likely wouldn't have made less money if they weren't also creatively compromised). I also get annoyed at continuously being squeezed by ever increasing prices (IMAX showing, 15 bucks please, with popcorn and a soda that's another ten) and somehow still in 2016, in the HD television era, seeing crappy projection quality for said high priced theater tickets.

High quality films that were also not challenging, played widely, and utterly bombed would include Black Sea, Midnight Special, Chi-Raq A Most Violent Year, The Rover, Inherent Vice, The Raid 2. And those are just from the last few years. These all could have and should have been big commercial successes

Your problem is the "should have" part. As you say so yourself, none of those films set the box office on fire. Maybe the obvious answer is that in fact there's not a large untapped market for those and that those specific titles were unlucky. Even if they would have been successful, at their relative level it's just a drop in the bucket compared to a billion revenue tentpole. Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy grossed 80m$ when all is said and done.

Anyway I'm not certain the offer for more mature films has gone away : it's not just at the commercial forefront for the majors anymore, and it become more evident to us as we drift towards the exit of the current key demographic bracket. It's also probable that 60 years ago, "teenagers" didn't have the same disposable income they have now and didn't drive the market.
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Post by: Positive Touch on June 06, 2016, 01:43:35 PM
 i went to kids movie a few months ago and they told me to turn off my phone like fuck you dickhead i don't even like minions
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Post by: Joe Molotov on June 06, 2016, 01:46:20 PM
New Independence Day gonna come in and sweep up.


This is going to drive me so fucking crazy if it happens. At least with Jurassic World, the nostalgia was over a legit good movie. I'm not sure my heart or liver can take it.

If ID2 isn't up to your liking, please enjoy the story of how Matthew McConaughey and other assorted southern white people defeated slavery, courtesy of the director of Seabiscuit.

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Post by: Mupepe on June 06, 2016, 01:50:04 PM
The ID2 trailer looks so damn awful. 
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 06, 2016, 01:54:24 PM
New Independence Day gonna come in and sweep up.


This is going to drive me so fucking crazy if it happens. At least with Jurassic World, the nostalgia was over a legit good movie. I'm not sure my heart or liver can take it.

If ID2 isn't up to your liking, please enjoy the story of how Matthew McConaughey and other assorted southern white people defeated slavery, courtesy of the director of Seabiscuit.


Please tell me this is a sequel to Glory? 
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Post by: Kara on June 06, 2016, 02:19:52 PM
A movie like Deadpool would never have been made without the domination of men-in-suits films for years. Different stuff gets made, it's just made within the dictates of the market.

And fucking lol @ a Lysistrata adaptation being held up as the potential we're losing under the prevailing consensus. When I say "movies are bad theatre" it's not just aesthetic snobbery talking.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on June 06, 2016, 02:39:19 PM
The Purge 3: Election Year will low key be the best movie of the summer, and the most plausible (Americans embracing authoritarianism under the guise of patriotism).
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Post by: Kara on June 06, 2016, 03:00:41 PM
The Purge 3: Election Year will low key be the best movie of the summer, and the most plausible (Americans embracing authoritarianism under the guise of patriotism).

In France that series is called American Nightmare. :lol
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Post by: brob on June 06, 2016, 03:38:37 PM
A movie like Deadpool would never have been made without the domination of men-in-suits films for years. Different stuff gets made, it's just made within the dictates of the market.

the invisible hand is the true auteur. Taxi Driver rules, Ashes & Embers drools :patel
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Post by: Human Snorenado on June 06, 2016, 03:53:19 PM
Cinema going for me requires one of two things to be true:

1) The watching experience is better in a theater, at least enough to get me out of the house or
2) I don't want to wait to see the movie at home

Let's be honest- there's a reason movies with all sorts of 'asplosions n shit do better at the box office. It's because watching a thoughtful drama is basically the same on your couch or at the theater. Not so for something with a bunch of action. It's just better in a theater.

Like, I want to see The Lobster. Do I want to see it enough to leave the cocoon like comfort of my house, putting me into contact with the horrors of humanity? Probably not. I keep trying to explain this to my friend who wants to be a director and keeps stubbornly trying to direct feature films that will be released in theaters.

"Just do tv," I say.

"But this is my dream! Movies are special," he says.

"No they're not and your dream is stupid."
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 06, 2016, 04:06:21 PM
Film has been dead to me in a post-Mad Max: Fury Road world. Hollywood isn't even trying anymore. What's the point of going to see films that don't include a man playing a guitar flame thrower? Think of all the classic films that would be better with guitar flame thrower. Citizen Kane, Dog Day Afternoon, Schindler's List...
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Post by: Human Snorenado on June 06, 2016, 04:08:48 PM
Film has been dead to me in a post-Mad Max: Fury Road world. Hollywood isn't even trying anymore. What's the point of going to see films that don't include a man playing a guitar flame thrower? Think of all the classic films that would be better with guitar flame thrower. Citizen Kane, Dog Day Afternoon, Schindler's List...

...Forrest Gump?
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 06, 2016, 04:11:53 PM
Film has been dead to me in a post-Mad Max: Fury Road world. Hollywood isn't even trying anymore. What's the point of going to see films that don't include a man playing a guitar flame thrower? Think of all the classic films that would be better with guitar flame thrower. Citizen Kane, Dog Day Afternoon, Schindler's List...

...Forrest Gump?

Replace the Vietnam napalm scene with guitar flamethrower guy riding around in a 4 wheeler torching the forest as Forrest carries Bubbah.
:ohhh
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Post by: Joe Molotov on June 06, 2016, 04:24:41 PM
Then they use the flame guitar to flambé some shrimp and the rest is history.
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Post by: Kara on June 06, 2016, 05:07:10 PM
A movie like Deadpool would never have been made without the domination of men-in-suits films for years. Different stuff gets made, it's just made within the dictates of the market.

the invisible hand is the true auteur. Taxi Driver rules, Ashes & Embers drools :patel

Idolize capital and specialized knowledge intensive mediums that require even more outside interference  than other creative proccesses already had brehs. :fbm
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Post by: brob on June 06, 2016, 05:18:11 PM
A movie like Deadpool would never have been made without the domination of men-in-suits films for years. Different stuff gets made, it's just made within the dictates of the market.

the invisible hand is the true auteur. Taxi Driver rules, Ashes & Embers drools :patel

Idolize capital and specialized knowledge intensive mediums that require even more outside interference  than other creative proccesses already had brehs. :fbm

strong argument for video games being the highest art form tbh
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 06, 2016, 05:35:19 PM
People argue that they are not? 
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Post by: Great Rumbler on June 06, 2016, 06:13:44 PM
Film has been dead to me in a post-Mad Max: Fury Road world. Hollywood isn't even trying anymore. What's the point of going to see films that don't include a man playing a guitar flame thrower? Think of all the classic films that would be better with guitar flame thrower. Citizen Kane, Dog Day Afternoon, Schindler's List...

Fury Road is legit one of the greatest films of the past decade.
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Post by: Kara on June 06, 2016, 06:25:13 PM
A movie like Deadpool would never have been made without the domination of men-in-suits films for years. Different stuff gets made, it's just made within the dictates of the market.

the invisible hand is the true auteur. Taxi Driver rules, Ashes & Embers drools :patel

Idolize capital and specialized knowledge intensive mediums that require even more outside interference  than other creative proccesses already had brehs. :fbm

strong argument for video games being the highest art form tbh

The RPG Maker of movies.
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Post by: helios on June 06, 2016, 06:26:13 PM
Film has been dead to me in a post-Mad Max: Fury Road world. Hollywood isn't even trying anymore. What's the point of going to see films that don't include a man playing a guitar flame thrower? Think of all the classic films that would be better with guitar flame thrower. Citizen Kane, Dog Day Afternoon, Schindler's List...

Fury Road is legit one of the greatest films of the past decade.

The first time I saw the explosions in that sandstorm, my dick reached peak turgidity
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Post by: chronovore on June 06, 2016, 06:29:33 PM
The Purge 3: Election Year will low key be the best movie of the summer, and the most plausible (Americans embracing authoritarianism under the guise of patriotism).
I assumed you were joking, and then I googled it.  :'(
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Post by: thisismyusername on June 06, 2016, 06:30:09 PM
Film has been dead to me in a post-Mad Max: Fury Road world. Hollywood isn't even trying anymore. What's the point of going to see films that don't include a man playing a guitar flame thrower? Think of all the classic films that would be better with guitar flame thrower. Citizen Kane, Dog Day Afternoon, Schindler's List...

Fury Road is legit one of the greatest films of the past decade.

Fury Road is the best film in the past decade. There's no debate about this.
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Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on June 07, 2016, 03:15:36 AM
if things are going bad for theaters/film industry now, just wait another decade after 4K TV's become the norm, most theatrical digital projectors are 4K as of now(and they're meant to last for years and years). You're gonna have even less reason to go see Creed VI when your modestly priced home setup has legit parity with a theater ticket.
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Post by: Mupepe on June 07, 2016, 08:20:03 AM
Anyone wanna come over and watch Mad Max in 4k on my tv with me?  It feels good, I promise.
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Post by: ToxicAdam on June 07, 2016, 09:09:35 AM
What 'feels good'? The movie experience or the spooning while watching?

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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 07, 2016, 09:20:30 AM
The Purge 3: Election Year will low key be the best movie of the summer, and the most plausible (Americans embracing authoritarianism under the guise of patriotism).

In France that series is called American Nightmare. :lol

:dead
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Post by: Mupepe on June 07, 2016, 10:12:34 AM
What 'feels good'? The movie experience or the spooning while watching?
actually, it's the tickle of a beard on the back of the neck
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2016, 05:54:01 PM
Figured I'd share my Batman/slavery synopsis, which I sent to my brother a couple days ago as a graduation present
spoiler (click to show/hide)
I had to scrap my first Batman script. I was reading about Marvel's success with diversity and figured DC should take part. This led me to a simple two part question: what if Batman was not only black, but a slave? Slave films and comic films are arguably the most lucrative bank in Hollywood so clearly combining them is a good idea.

The general premise is that Batman's parents were killed by slave hunters in Africa, and later Batman is sold to the plantation of Master Wayne in Gotham, Alabama. After being given the name Bruce, Batman reaches peak physical shape as a field negro but also learns multiple trades including blacksmith, carpentry, and others that help him become Batman.

The main villain would not be Master Wayne, who would instead be a moral slave owner. This way the film could have a positive white character who helps Bruce become Batman, and it's also a nice twist on the same old tired slave narratives. Instead the villain would be The Joker, a house negro who powders his face to appear lighter. He kills Master Wayne and takes over the plantation. A vicious mad man, The Joker terrorizes the slaves. The slaves cry out for a hero. And thus Batman is born.

The climax of the film would be a chariot battle between The Joker and Batman. But I scrapped the film before I could determine what happens next.

Anyway congratulations on graduating and I am working on another film now.
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Definitely better than BvS
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 09, 2016, 06:08:10 PM
I'm only OK with that if in the sequel superman is a plantation owner and defender of southern values.
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Post by: Yeti on June 09, 2016, 10:13:30 PM
PD, you should read this comic, it's like if Ironman was a slave

(http://static6.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_large/6/60408/1147972-p00001.jpg)
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Post by: Joe Molotov on June 09, 2016, 11:24:33 PM
It's the (non-Marvel) Civil War, but he's got a wrist-mounted minigun. 2 op, DC pls nerf.
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Post by: thisismyusername on June 10, 2016, 12:03:40 AM
What 'feels good'? The movie experience or the spooning while watching?

Why don't we have both?.gif