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Title: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 12:07:06 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/24/world/ansbach-germany-blast/index.html

Enough is enough.


Please tell me, I need to know why we don't just declare war on that whole area. I'm tired of the innocent suffering for "God", sorry.
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 25, 2016, 12:10:42 AM
Bombing the hell out of the Middle East is probably the quickest way to ensure that attacks like this happen more often, rather than less often.
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 12:10:44 AM
As someone with children I could not imagine my 19 year old dying at a concert because some shithole uneducated piece of trash  is convinced he is on a path to martyrdom because he blows himself up at a concert.


Enough.
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 12:12:27 AM
Bombing the hell out of the Middle East is probably the quickest way to ensure that attacks like this happen more often, rather than less often.

We're past that. I want asses on the ground everywhere. I want our oil trade monitored. I want Saudi Arabia put on the terrorist list.

If I were a lesser man I'd cry for eye for an eye but I know there are parents like me in these countries petrified about the future of their kids.

I hate this.

Why can't we move past the bullshit?
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: thisismyusername on July 25, 2016, 12:25:44 AM
Bombing the hell out of the Middle East is probably the quickest way to ensure that attacks like this happen more often, rather than less often.

We're past that. I want asses on the ground everywhere. I want our oil trade monitored. I want Saudi Arabia put on the terrorist list.

If I were a lesser man I'd cry for eye for an eye but I know there are parents like me in these countries petrified about the future of their kids.

I hate this.

Like I get your point, but as Great Rumbler pointed out: "asses on the ground everywhere" will just spawn more folks. Drones will spawn more folks. Invading a country that "hates you" with no valid reason beyond "we need to protect the civilians (while noble)" spawns more of them.

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Why can't we move past the bullshit?

Because not everyone can be in this moment, they don't want to be euphoric. Not because of any phony god’s blessing. But because, They are enlightened by their own intelligence. ;)

Basically, certain sect of Islam (and I'm sure Wrath will correct me, being from the ME and all) is the problem. It "spawned" (for lack of better terms) this terrorist sect that believes the scripture of that sect is law. You start killing or offending these peoples "way of life" and you cause them to be angry and fearful because they think you're taking their way of life from them when they don't know "better."

To put it (badly), think of it like Trump. A lot of folks laugh and think he isn't going to be president, but there's a certain sect out there (rust belt workers) that believe what he is saying because they fear migrants/"the mexicans!" as "dey took our jerbs!" They aren't being rational, they just want to believe this because it's the easiest way of solving their issues/culture clash.

I don't know the answer to making them stand down besides 1) changing their culture -- AND this is on them on wanting to do and 2) not bombing the shit out of them to where parents or brothers of fallen family members by US invasions or drone-strikes causes resentment and these survivors get recruited to that culture.
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 12:29:30 AM
Us leaving them alone has made them stronger, not weaker. Bombs can't replace feet. We need to tag Russia and get in this shit and wipe ISIS from the map.

Civilian losses are terrible but we can't allow them to continue to shape our world in the manner they are currently undertaking.

This is what I want to say /\

What I will say is I'm at a loss what to do here and I'm embarrassed an old culture still commits these acts.
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: thisismyusername on July 25, 2016, 12:35:57 AM
I'm not necessarily saying leaving them alone is what should be done. But if you think bombing the shit out of them is going to solve the problem, you're missing the collateral damage (family/survivors) for the solution. I mean if we went with your solution, we'd glass the entire Middle East and the problem would be (mostly) solved. No middle-eastern terrorists anymore because the entire desert would be nuclear winter. :doge Game Over, new round?

But that isn't (obviously) a good solution. What I'm getting at is that culture -- I'm forgetting the name for the "dance/event" where they basically prostitute boys to older age men as a "legal" (not sanctioned by the countries officially, but not actively policed) thing for child prostitution. A lot of the country is (AFAIK) "against it" but there is no push to change that culture and stomp it out. The same for terrorism from the middle east. The only way to stop it is to have them want to change that culture and while a bunch of civilians do, ISIS and others don't. Which is the problem. We can't just "bomb the shit out of them" because that isn't going to change the fundamental issue of them actively believing their culture is right.

Consequently, we can't actively stomp out terrorism because look at Nice, France or Orlando: These folks weren't ISIS-indoctrinated folks but simply self-hating gays (like Orlando) that felt shunned by the gay community and thereby shot up the place as a domestic terrorist. I mean you can't "bomb the shit/boots on the ground" these sorts of folks if they aren't an active terror cell, yeah?
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 12:37:08 AM
I blame the media for those attacks. Period.

So should you.

But France, Germany, Afghanistan(sp? Sorry drinking), etc are caused by the media enchanting what is already a bad situation and making actual heroes of assholes.

No names.
No stats.


This should be the way. But it won't be.
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: naff on July 25, 2016, 12:39:16 AM
while you're at it y'all should start another civil war with the Southern states because there r racists and a small amount of them commit hate crimes  :american

don't forget to continually kill civilians in foreign nations remotely, and act confused about radicalisation.
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 12:40:09 AM
while you're at it y'all should start another civil war with the Southern states because there r racists and a small amount of them commit hate crimes  :american

don't forget to continually kill civilians in foreign nations remotely, and act confused about radicalisation.

Really, this is what you had to deliver? Nice effort....


Bore 101 on how to be an also-ran. Go back to neofag....
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 25, 2016, 12:41:22 AM
lol they don't shape our world, people with hysterical over reactions like you do.  If you want your kids to live a long life rally against guns and for universal healthcare, and a thousand other things which, you know, might actually affect your kids.
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 12:43:55 AM
lol they don't shape our world, people with hysterical over reactions like you do.  If you want your kids to live a long life rally against guns and for universal healthcare, and a thousand other things which, you know, might actually affect your kids.

So you're saying my suburb ass father thoughts have shaped the world more than what happened in France, twice?

Another useless assessment, but thanks.

Let's move forward.
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: thisismyusername on July 25, 2016, 12:46:54 AM
The media isn't necessarily the problem. Yes, it allows infamy and 15-mins-of-fame-from-afterlife, but their job is to report on this stuff. I mean we could probably blanket ban the reporting of these events, but they would still go on.

Like I said, look at Orlando: That dude wasn't related to ISIS. He came from a culture (Islam, IIRC?) that fed him the line that he was sub-human, that he was worthless. That unless he married a woman and lived a straight life, he wouldn't go to heaven or have success or be happy. You can't intelligence/NSA this sort of mind-snapping/culture change. You can only educate and hope that "hey you aren't as worthless or bad as you think you are" will change them.

I mean some of the domestic terrorists do it for attention, yes. But the attention is a by-product of the bigger "I feel less than the majority" feeling that makes them want to do these things/snap. Like I said: Look at Trump and his success of capturing that feeling of being lost/disenfranchised. It's the same thing that spawns terrorists, wither domestic or foreign: They feel less-than a culture/country and thereby hate them irrationally. Putting boots on the ground for an "invisible" (culture) problem that has "visible" (recruits) symptoms isn't going to solve the invisible problem, know what I mean?

If you want your kids to live a long life rally against guns

I wouldn't necessarily say the guns themselves are the problem. It's the mental issues (like I said) that are the problem. The guns are just the tools used to achieve their frustration lashing out. Better gun control and mental health checks would help. And while we could ban guns like Australia has kinda-done, there will still be "regulated" guns out there for people to smuggle or steal and use.  And if you look at the Germany machete dude from earlier today, a gun control "ban" still wont' solve the issue of people wanting to kill others. If they can find a mean (and this means building a bomb or getting a knife or something) they will.
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 12:48:50 AM
Let's also ban spoons because they make people fat.

This is how the whole gun argument sounds to a responsible adult FYI.
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 25, 2016, 12:48:50 AM
nudemacuser said it: disenfranchisement with society is what spawns violence and hate
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 25, 2016, 12:49:58 AM
Far more of the world's terror attacks [and terror attack deaths] are happening in places other than Europe and America, by the way:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/world/the-scale-of-terrorist-attacks-around-the-world/
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 12:50:23 AM
nudemacuser said it: disenfranchisement with society is what spawns violence and hate

This is the crux of the issue, thank you. How to we narrow the gap is the question?
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 12:50:45 AM
Far more of the world's terror attacks [and terror attack deaths] are happening in places other than Europe and America, by the way:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/world/the-scale-of-terrorist-attacks-around-the-world/

Already said that, keep up, short stuff.
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 25, 2016, 12:52:20 AM
Far more of the world's terror attacks [and terror attack deaths] are happening in places other than Europe and America, by the way:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/world/the-scale-of-terrorist-attacks-around-the-world/

Already said that, keep up, short stuff.

Where and in what context?
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 12:54:26 AM
Far more of the world's terror attacks [and terror attack deaths] are happening in places other than Europe and America, by the way:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/world/the-scale-of-terrorist-attacks-around-the-world/

Already said that, keep up, short stuff.

Where and in what context?

Afghanistan?

Yeah I get it. Way more happens there than here. Neither place is acceptable. There is no reason for an innocent human (much less a child) for a "God" in this world anymore.  Much less for social shunning.

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Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Tasty on July 25, 2016, 12:55:44 AM
>pleads for "serious discussion"
>demeans and insults people in said discussion

Seems legit.
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 25, 2016, 12:56:26 AM
Regardless of who wins the election, I'm willing to bet we're going to have a more interventionist foreign policy. My prediction: in four years you will be missing Obama's "don't do stupid shit" doctrine. There are no good outcomes to fucking with that region of the world.
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 25, 2016, 12:59:13 AM
The last time we sent tens of thousands of Western soldiers into the Middle East in the name of stopping terrorism, it definitely did not have that effect in the slightest. So, you know, I'm a bit wary about busting out that battle plan again.
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 12:59:24 AM
Regardless of who wins the election, I'm willing to bet we're going to have a more interventionist foreign policy. My prediction: in four years you will be missing Obama's "don't do stupid shit" doctrine. There are no good outcomes to fucking with that region of the world.

Agreed. And I wish we'd follow it more closely. I'm not for isolation but I am for focusing on things we can sustain ourselves with over relying on less than neutral nations.

Unfortunately currently this isn't working.
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 01:00:24 AM
>pleads for "serious discussion"
>demeans and insults people in said discussion

Seems legit.

You continue to underwhelm. Go back to posting pro-Clinton shit on Facebook for 2 dollars a post as this ball is clearly way way over your head lol.
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 25, 2016, 01:01:09 AM
nudemacuser said it: disenfranchisement with society is what spawns violence and hate

This is the crux of the issue, thank you. How to we narrow the gap is the question?

i mean we cant even keep this small forum civil at times so hmmmm
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 25, 2016, 01:02:11 AM
Humanity was a mistake, it's not but garbage.
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 25, 2016, 01:03:57 AM
Regardless of who wins the election, I'm willing to bet we're going to have a more interventionist foreign policy. My prediction: in four years you will be missing Obama's "don't do stupid shit" doctrine. There are no good outcomes to fucking with that region of the world.

Agreed. And I wish we'd follow it more closely. I'm not for isolation but I am for focusing on things we can sustain ourselves with over relying on less than neutral nations.

Unfortunately currently this isn't working.

It isn't? Is ISIS an existential threat to the US? I'm not asking if they suck, or if they're causing a bunch of bullshit in areas where they're more prevalent. I'm pretty sure diabetes is killing more Americans.
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 25, 2016, 01:05:53 AM
i mean the west won, we know it, they know it, terrorism is the stupors of a dying culture
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 25, 2016, 01:06:54 AM
The last time we got all big and bad we essentially created ISIS. Invaded a country because of bullshit reasons. And basically created a never ending civil war there.

Terrorism sucks. The world is complicated. And we also don't want to be in a never ending war against a region and an area of the world we already have a crap understanding off and shitty history in.

So yeah...

There is no easy fix. Especially "boots on the ground". All that will do is relieve tension in one area and then have it move to another. That's the world we live in. 

Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 01:07:19 AM
Regardless of who wins the election, I'm willing to bet we're going to have a more interventionist foreign policy. My prediction: in four years you will be missing Obama's "don't do stupid shit" doctrine. There are no good outcomes to fucking with that region of the world.

Agreed. And I wish we'd follow it more closely. I'm not for isolation but I am for focusing on things we can sustain ourselves with over relying on less than neutral nations.

Unfortunately currently this isn't working.

It isn't? Is ISIS an existential threat to the US? I'm not asking if they suck, or if they're causing a bunch of bullshit in areas where they're more prevalent. I'm pretty sure diabetes is killing more Americans.

Really? Have you talked more about ISIS or the Braves in the last three months? Be honest.
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 25, 2016, 01:07:22 AM
We should stop trying our hand at nation building.  While nobody would say that Gaddafi, Hussein, and Assad were good leaders, overthrowing them (or attempting to with Assad anyway) was a big mistake.  Middle Eastern politics seem to be a different ballgame than western politics so anytime we apply western politics to middle east politics, it almost always blows up in our faces.
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 25, 2016, 01:10:01 AM
We should stop trying our hand at nation building.  While nobody would say that Gaddafi, Hussein, and Assad were good leaders, overthrowing them (or attempting to with Assad anyway) was a big mistake.  Middle Eastern politics seem to be a different ballgame than western politics so anytime we apply western politics to middle east politics, it almost always blows up in our faces.

decolonisation was a mistake?
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: naff on July 25, 2016, 01:34:23 AM
Going back to the fear and hysterical behaviour - it really does a lot to shape our society, e.g. Trump capitalising on every terror attack for political gain, saying things which normally a majority of Americans would balk at. It is intentionally misleading, guiding a large portion public opinion through press, propaganda and fear, it's been done in America since the 70s see: Edward Bernays and involvement in Operation Condor partic Ecuador, Vietnam, Bill Clinton firing on Kuwait, Gulf War, Iraq War, continual drone strikes inflicting collateral damage in the name of stopping terrorism. Show me ANYTHING that indicates American foreign involvement has brought increased stability anywhere (edit: since World War 2). THERE IS NONE. It's as pointless and lacking in positive effects as the war on drugs.

Trump's isolationist stance, while horrible, in a way seems more more logical than continual foreign intervention. But, to look at the actual attacks recently - Omar Mateen was born in fucking Queens, the recent Nice perpetrator had no history of being religious, ate pork, drank, had a history of wife beating, becoming radicalised just prior to the attack. same pattern across most attacks, they are completely decentralised unlike the idea portrayed of a centralised plot and organisation behind 9/11 - and subsequent Iraq War, another huge US fuck up resulting in horrendous loss of civilian life. Anyway, point being, you can't start a war against a decentralised organisation or extremist manipulation of jihad to condone violent actions, preying on the unstable and disenfranchised.
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: naff on July 25, 2016, 01:49:49 AM
I say that about America not bringing stability anywhere... But obvs since WWII US economic and military power has been a hugely important factor in global stability, but so bad for certain regions.
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Samson Manhug on July 25, 2016, 02:01:51 AM
The entire premise of this thread is wrong: why do you think the US is “turning the other cheek”?
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 25, 2016, 02:19:01 AM
what if the problem is that the us and capitalism are too influential

 :ohhh
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Samson Manhug on July 25, 2016, 02:27:23 AM
TFW you get a Mandark like. You guys know what I’m talking about. Except you, The Walrus.
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: VomKriege on July 25, 2016, 02:31:27 AM
The entire premise of this thread is wrong: why do you think the US is “turning the other cheek”?

Pretty much. The US (and some European countries) are already pretty active waging war overseas because of it. Denying those political groups a safe home base can only so far (and so quick) though : those attacks will dwindle when the ideology and organizations behind them will lose severe traction. Could take a decade or half a century. A lot of it has to do with predominantly muslim nations finding a workable statu quo between religion and politics (and unfortunately so far, it's not happening soon), and it's not feasible to just bomb them into that.
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Rufus on July 25, 2016, 08:02:58 AM
Western nations are too big and too stable to touch everyone's lives with attacks, so any immediate effect will be short lived. Some will avoid big events for a time, some won't ever care. People do snap back into business as usual awfully quick and it's good that they do. It is selfish to any victims and would be victims, but I'm more worried about renewed racism and politicians trying to look like they're in control.

Emotionally, I've already gone numb to the attacks themselves. Paris was the last that really threw me and actually made me tear up. Anything after didn't touch me the same way. I'm leaning in the direction of that being a good thing. Things moved more from "attack in my own neigbourhood" to "attack somewhere far, far away". Cuts and bruises, rather than being stabbed in the heart. Cynical, perhaps, but I prefer a bout of anger over depression.
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: nudemacusers on July 25, 2016, 11:36:39 AM
nudemacuser said it: disenfranchisement with society is what spawns violence and hate
Wait wut
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 25, 2016, 11:46:43 AM
Stop putting things in Nude's mouth Lager, its taken. 
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Samson Manhug on July 25, 2016, 11:49:06 AM
Nudemacusers said it best: “Perhaps terrorism occurs precisely where mass passivity and elite dissatisfaction coincide.”
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 25, 2016, 11:53:57 AM
My problem with Nudemacusers is what the continental philosophers did with him after his death. 
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 25, 2016, 12:07:44 PM
I still remember when Nudemacusers said "when the President does it, that means that it is not illegal" in New Mexico. I was watching Breaking Bad and the sheer impact still shook me to my core.
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 25, 2016, 02:43:33 PM
Nudemacusers told me once that we got a thousand points of light for the homeless man, we got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand.
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Momo on July 25, 2016, 03:05:05 PM
Nothing's really going to change unless we all have shared values and culture
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: bork on July 25, 2016, 03:07:58 PM
Nothing's really going to change unless we all have shared values and culture

Ah yes, I remember when nudemacusers said this.
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: brawndolicious on July 25, 2016, 03:25:07 PM
Depressed, self-loathing men are always going to want to engage in violence. A lot of them will just join the armed forces in their country rather than a militia or terrorist group but the best way to reduce the number of guys who feel that way is with more economic opportunities.

Based on how religious most of the terrorists seemed to be (not very), there isn't anything to be gained in spreading western cultural ideals or whatever.
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Positive Touch on July 25, 2016, 04:32:48 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/AGkQufZ.jpg)
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: benjipwns on July 25, 2016, 07:16:22 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/24/world/ansbach-germany-blast/index.html

Enough is enough.


Please tell me, I need to know why we don't just declare war on that whole area.
Germany?

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1994-041-07,_Dresden,_zerst%C3%B6rtes_Stadtzentrum.jpg)

It didn't take.
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: VomKriege on July 25, 2016, 07:35:42 PM
Also, Irak and Afghanistan.
Why bother with such commitments when the current trifecta of air campaigns, targeted / covert expeditionary efforts and arms supplying is as adept as a full blown invasion in turning country X into a basketcase ? Current priority might be a diplomatic effort to keep Turkey reliable.
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 25, 2016, 10:27:29 PM
I still remember when nudemacusers told me "Ich bin ein Borean." Those words still resonate with me today.
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 25, 2016, 10:58:09 PM
http://www.datagraver.com/case/people-killed-by-terrorism-per-year-in-western-europe-1970-2015

I agree with nudemacusers thoughts about nuking ireland. 
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Momo on July 26, 2016, 02:18:53 AM
lmao, what's going on in this thread
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Reb on July 26, 2016, 07:06:18 AM
Quote
lmao, what's going on in this thread

- nudemacusers
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 26, 2016, 07:41:23 AM
Maybe we can use this thread instead of international politics: http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/26/europe/france-normandy-church-hostage/index.html

Quote
One man was killed and another hostage seriously wounded in an attack on a Catholic church in Normandy, France, on Tuesday, a French official has told journalists at the scene.

Two men took five people hostage in the church in the town of Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray during morning Mass, Interior Ministry spokesman Pierre-Henry Brandet said.

Those taken hostage were a priest, two nuns and two churchgoers, CNN French affiliate BFMTV reported.

The situation ended when the two attackers were shot dead by police, Brandet said.

"The two killers came out and they were neutralized," he said.

The wounded hostage was treated at the scene, but had sustained serious injuries and was "between life and death," he said.
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Momo on July 26, 2016, 07:43:01 AM
Same guy stabbed 20 people in japan, some crazy shit


edit: some*
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 26, 2016, 07:54:26 AM
If priests had God this wouldn't happen
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Let's Cyber on July 26, 2016, 07:01:35 PM
Iraq was going so well, I don't know why we decided to pull out.  Think of all the bad guys we disintegrated.  A double dose of Freedom is what we need now.  Remember those Playing Cards we handed out to soldiers with all of the top men in Saddam's regime?

(http://i.imgur.com/kR5rfi4.jpg)

Most were captured or killed, so mission accomplished!  We chopped the head off of the snake and it never grew back.  Well, just ignore the fact that many of the military leaders of ISIS were in Saddam's army (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/how-saddams-former-soldiers-are-fueling-the-rise-of-isis/).   If anything, I think we should roll through the middle east every 15 years like exterminators and clean shit up.   We need to put our boot on ISIS's throat!  We just need a new set of cards, because killing all of the ISIS leaders will clearly end this once and for all.   But this time?  This time we kill them harder.  It wasn't even that expensive!

(http://blogs-images.forbes.com/niallmccarthy/files/2015/02/20150203_Terror_Fo.jpg)

I mean, the real cost of the War on Terror will be much closer to the 4.5-6 trillion range when you take everything into account but I'm not a numbers guy.  I'm a "Get Shit Done and Stop Messing Around" guy.  (Special Note: Universal Health Care is impossible in the US.  There just isn't enough money to make it work.    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Sorry libruls, try getting a job).    I'm sure more bombs and RE-INVADING Iraq would do it.  Take our other imperialistic nation-building endeavor,  Afghanistan!  We weren't a bunch of pussies like the Soviets.  We didn't pull out when things got tough.  We finished the job and now Afghanistan is safe, which is a testament to what we should do in Syria and Ir...

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/24/anger-mourning-in-afghanistan-after-kabul-suicide-attack-by-isis-leaves-84-dead.html

Oh. 

Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 26, 2016, 07:16:34 PM
How many cheeks do you got America?
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 26, 2016, 07:30:28 PM
Not as many as we could have with a second butthole.
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on July 26, 2016, 07:37:04 PM
I say we stop when we have someone's butt to kick. Right now it's an ideology. How do you go to fight against an idea? War on terror? We can't even injure anxiety, let alone wage war on terror.
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: VomKriege on July 26, 2016, 07:46:47 PM
Maybe we can use this thread instead of international politics: http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/26/europe/france-normandy-church-hostage/index.html

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One man was killed and another hostage seriously wounded in an attack on a Catholic church in Normandy, France, on Tuesday, a French official has told journalists at the scene.

Two men took five people hostage in the church in the town of Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray during morning Mass, Interior Ministry spokesman Pierre-Henry Brandet said.

Those taken hostage were a priest, two nuns and two churchgoers, CNN French affiliate BFMTV reported.

The situation ended when the two attackers were shot dead by police, Brandet said.

"The two killers came out and they were neutralized," he said.

The wounded hostage was treated at the scene, but had sustained serious injuries and was "between life and death," he said.

As I said in that other thread, any shithead or headcase is now emboldened to go kill some randos under some vague political pretext.
One of the two attackers was a 25 year old French citizen, born in Algeria (Probably from French parents or from a family that immigrated at a young age), who tried to go to Syria twice (his brother is already over there). Arrested in Turkey for his second attempt, he was then placed under house arrest with an electronic ankle collar.

Should we lock up any young adult trying to go fight the jihad in Syria ? Willing to ? Or looking at ISIS propaganda on the net ?
If there's one thing we can say about all the recent attacks and mass killings, in France and elsewhere in Europe or the States, it's that there doesn't seem to be an easily identifiable profile.

You have cells, loosely connected individuals and loners.
You have well educated adults, petty criminals, and people with no recorded police history.
You have Western citizens, people infiltrated from overseas and refugees.

I unfortunately don't fully agree with P.Lager that the issue would mostly be neutralized if we fixed whatever's broken in our own societies (though it certainly provide some favorable recruitment pools). People will always be lured to the promise of swift memorable meaningful action with a semblance of legitimacy. The root cause is political and abroad, resolving it is largely out of our hands. Communist terrorism in Western Europe died out not because western liberal capitalist democracies fixed themselves but because its main backer went into agony and irrelevance.
Title: Re: Serious discussion please. At what point do we stop turning the other cheek?
Post by: benjipwns on July 26, 2016, 08:00:50 PM
How Allowing The Toxic GamerGate Movement Explains Increasingly Problematic Terrorism

-Kotaku, September 2016

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-random NeoGAF post, August 2016
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-nudemacusers, September 10, 2001
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