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Title: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Positive Touch on September 08, 2016, 09:40:10 PM
so where should i start? don't think I've looked at desktop parts since i helped my parents put together one in like 2000. what should i be looking for in terms of ram types, monitors, gpu brand, etc? not looking for some $3k monster or whatever, but i want something nice still.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: benjipwns on September 08, 2016, 09:49:22 PM
"rig"

triggered :doge
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: archie4208 on September 08, 2016, 09:55:40 PM
What's your budget?  What resolution do you want to play at?

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/hmhgBP

I spent a whopping 5 minutes picking the parts to this and it would play basically everything out today at 1080p and 60 FPS at high/max (barring Deus Ex MD).

Granted you'll want to do your own research (especially with the case/mobo/PSU) and you might want a different CPU or GPU, but it's a decent baseline.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 08, 2016, 09:58:22 PM
You can put together a very nice mid-range computer for about $1500 [or less, if you really shop around]. Most expensive parts will be the processor and GPU [I spent about $800 on an Intel i7 6700k and NVidia 1070, which completely destroy every game on the market right now], most of the rest won't matter too terribly much. Throw in as much RAM as you feel like buying, anything above 8gigs will do everything you need it to [DDR4 is the new hotness].

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(barring Deus Ex MD)

Newest patch plus latest NVidia driver actually have helped Deus Ex's performance enormously.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: benjipwns on September 08, 2016, 10:15:00 PM
Throw in as much RAM as you feel like buying
or need in the case of loading The Bore threads

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an Intel i7 6700k and NVidia 1070
:-*
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Positive Touch on September 08, 2016, 10:38:31 PM
thank you Rumbler i will get this 6700k and 1070 and i will destroy these games. Archie that site seems great although i can't seem to find this ddr5 ram on it
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 08, 2016, 10:48:29 PM
Ah, sorry, DDR4 is the most recent type of RAM.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 08, 2016, 11:32:55 PM
What's your budget?  What resolution do you want to play at?

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/hmhgBP

I spent a whopping 5 minutes picking the parts to this and it would play basically everything out today at 1080p and 60 FPS at high/max (barring Deus Ex MD).

Granted you'll want to do your own research (especially with the case/mobo/PSU) and you might want a different CPU or GPU, but it's a decent baseline.

Dat's a good build

 :gaben
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: El Babua on September 09, 2016, 12:06:29 AM
> i7 6700k and 1070 being mid range  :doge

But yeah, it's easier than ever to build a PC, both in terms of the building process and more importantly installing all the software/drivers afterwards. So have fun.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 09, 2016, 12:43:21 AM
what kind of resolution do you play at Rumbler?
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 09, 2016, 10:04:54 AM
what kind of resolution do you play at Rumbler?

1920X1080
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: archie4208 on September 09, 2016, 10:09:45 AM
> i7 6700k and 1070 being mid range  :doge

But yeah, it's easier than ever to build a PC, both in terms of the building process and more importantly installing all the software/drivers afterwards. So have fun.

It was a nightmare to put on my CPU fan (fucking bracket wouldn't stay still) and to mount my mobo (fucking tiny screws).  :maf

Otherwise building is just really expensive Legos.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: benjipwns on September 09, 2016, 10:50:12 AM
i had a problem with mounting my fan a few months back, despite coolermasters claims i'm pretty sure it wasn't supposed to be installed the way the directions said since it said the mount the board in the case first for stability, which would have rendered the fact that you had to put a nut on underneath impossible, what i figured out on my own worked way better thanks to my copius amount of large politically themed books to hold up the massive heat sink's weight

was somehow still easier than the stock fans intel shipped with their core 2 duos
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: benjipwns on September 09, 2016, 10:53:22 AM
i remember when all the back panel and internal stuff like PCI/AGP/RAM/SATA slots first got color coded and it was like wait, why didn't this happen ten years ago

now i don't think mine actually are anymore for seemingly aesthetic purposes iirc everything inside is black and most of the back panel is just usb ports :lol
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 09, 2016, 11:22:43 AM
Don't overclock and just use the stock fan

:yeshrug

I've never had issues
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 09, 2016, 11:59:00 AM
Don't overclock and just use the stock fan

:yeshrug

I've never had issues

CPUs don't have stock heatsinks/fans anymore, though. :-\

This is the one that I got:

https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Hyper-212-RR-212E-20PK-R2/dp/B005O65JXI
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: benjipwns on September 09, 2016, 11:59:49 AM
Intel doesn't ship their CPUs with fans anymore.

the one consistently highrated cooler master one can be had for like $18-20 or so often, i don't mind paying a little more in this case versus some of those cheapo third party fans
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: benjipwns on September 09, 2016, 12:03:55 PM
https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Hyper-212-RR-212E-20PK-R2/dp/B005O65JXI
lol we literally bought the same cpu and cooler

if u bought g.skill ram and a gigabyte mobo we're gonna have to settle this outside
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 09, 2016, 12:16:19 PM
I bought an ASUS B150.  :gaben
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 09, 2016, 12:18:15 PM
Shit, must have stopped right after I got my i7 4790 a couple years ago. I DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN THIS WORLD WHERE I HAVE TO APPLY MY OWN THERMAL PASTE LIKE A PEASANT.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: fistfulofmetal on September 09, 2016, 12:33:33 PM
pcpartpicker is such a stupendous site i'm shocked something like it hasn't existed already
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Positive Touch on September 09, 2016, 01:28:42 PM
is it a lot more expensive to pick my parts and have a website put them together? i don't feel like going thru the trouble of building my own right now.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 09, 2016, 01:30:57 PM
what kind of resolution do you play at Rumbler?

1920X1080

damn an i7 and a 1070 for 1080p, youre set
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 09, 2016, 01:32:09 PM
Intel doesn't ship their CPUs with fans anymore.

the one consistently highrated cooler master one can be had for like $18-20 or so often, i don't mind paying a little more in this case versus some of those cheapo third party fans

it does just not anything above the i5-6500, at least here
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: archie4208 on September 09, 2016, 02:07:31 PM
is it a lot more expensive to pick my parts and have a website put them together? i don't feel like going thru the trouble of building my own right now.

It usually is, yeah.  A lot of websites don't offer that option anyway.

If you have a tech savvy friend, just give him 30 bucks to build it for you.  :doge
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: thisismyusername on September 09, 2016, 02:30:12 PM
Intel doesn't ship their CPUs with fans anymore.

You mean that itty-bitty snap on fan over the CPU? When did that happen? Because like three years ago they were still shipping those.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: archie4208 on September 09, 2016, 03:22:23 PM
http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=7842

Apparently you can get it built for $50 if you buy your parts from this website.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Positive Touch on September 09, 2016, 08:44:11 PM
fuck alright I'll build this fucking pos. hope someone in stlbore built one before so i can call them when i fuck up.

also can't steam stream wirelessly now? do i need extra shit for that?
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 09, 2016, 09:11:25 PM
You just need a Steam Link box. Plug that into the TV and stream your desktop to it.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: a slime appears on September 10, 2016, 12:01:32 PM
I put together a top of the line PC back in May and never looked back.

:itagaki
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: thisismyusername on September 10, 2016, 12:25:41 PM
You just need a Steam Link box. Plug that into the TV and stream your desktop to it.

Or just use a desktop that you already have. Streaming isn't *that* power-hungry.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 10, 2016, 02:42:27 PM
streaming games  :yuck

whats the response delay on that
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: thisismyusername on September 10, 2016, 05:09:58 PM
whats the response delay on that

Depends on network/set-up.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: pilonv1 on September 10, 2016, 10:43:16 PM
I wouldn't be using it for online FPS but for everything else I tried it was perfectly fine
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 10, 2016, 11:23:54 PM
I played a lot of Witcher 3 using my steam link. Other than my computer running a bit hotter than normal, it was fine.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 11, 2016, 01:31:55 PM
just didnt think dedicated pc people would make a concession like lag, thought playing on pc was all about no concessions
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 11, 2016, 04:40:06 PM
There are like, lots of different kinds of pc gamers. If you're playing competitive multi-player shit like fps games or mobas or whatever, then sure. If you just want to enjoy Witcher 3 on a big screen looking better than any of the shitbox consoles can output, then a little occasional lag is not a big deal, at least speaking for myself.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Rufus on September 11, 2016, 06:14:23 PM
PC gaming, if anything, is about options.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 12, 2016, 03:00:18 AM
I agree, just the narrative in some circles is = PC gaming only worth it with 60fps, max settings, gsync, 4k, 1ms etc etc otherwise you need to upgrade.

Good to see some level headed people here.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Rufus on September 12, 2016, 04:40:13 AM
Don't listen to the PC masterrace shitters. Very few people are on the bleeding edge and as ever, they're not really catered to with appropriate content. Though I don't know that it matters all that much to people who run 1080 SLI setups and such.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: archnemesis on September 12, 2016, 04:50:53 AM
PC gaming has always been cyclical to me. When I upgrade my computer I can run most games maxed out and then there is a gradual drop in quality until my GPU is too old to even run the games I want to play.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: thisismyusername on September 12, 2016, 06:06:27 AM
I agree, just the narrative in some circles is = PC gaming only worth it with 60fps, max settings, gsync, 4k, 1ms etc etc otherwise you need to upgrade.

Good to see some level headed people here.

Frankly, 60FPS should be a target. But everything else is a slider. 4K is dumb, especially in the current budget-build climate. Most people will not care about 4K. Same with g-sync when v-sync has been there before that technology.

If you're fine with 30FPS, go for it. But most folks in multiplayer titles are going to be trying to target 60 or above.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 12, 2016, 07:25:36 AM
I don't like playing FPS mp on pc really due to hacks etc.

PC gaming has always been cyclical to me. When I upgrade my computer I can run most games maxed out and then there is a gradual drop in quality until my GPU is too old to even run the games I want to play.

I usually start out on High then drop to low.

Just sold my 6 year old laptop yesterday thats been my main rig (i7,8gb, Geforce 555m) and would still run all Blizzard games plus things like Pillars etc.

Now looking to upgrade to a 1050 rig maybe next month (maybe 960m cause they are cheap now).
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 12, 2016, 08:23:52 AM
Apple has options, just none of them geared towards gaming.

Its like they don't want that gaming dollar.

I mean they could include a 960m in the Macbook Pro model at a 1300 bucks but they don't want to.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: pilonv1 on September 12, 2016, 08:31:43 AM
I agree, just the narrative in some circles is = PC gaming only worth it with 60fps, max settings, gsync, 4k, 1ms etc etc otherwise you need to upgrade.

Good to see some level headed people here.

I play Hitman at 1440p from anything between 35-60fps on my 970. Don't have it maxed at all but it still looks much better than anything on console
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: mormapope on September 15, 2016, 03:43:14 PM
I've decided to bite the bullet and get a modern gaming PC soon. Too lazy to shop around for parts and build the thing, so I'm gonna get this or go to Cyberpower's site and get a customized PC from them.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01HNBLHAA/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Seems like a incredibly solid "stock" rig for what I want to play and do, all the extra shit and components themselves are really well priced. $720 for something that would cost $800+ if you shopped for components individually.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: archnemesis on September 15, 2016, 03:47:50 PM
Have you read GAF's PC build thread (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1222740)? I don't know your budget or your intended use, but a SSD and 16 GB of RAM are both good things to have.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: mormapope on September 15, 2016, 03:53:31 PM
For me, I'm not really worried about having something future proof. I'm focusing on catching up to stuff in the past few years. I think the Cyberpower PC I linked to has a decent amount of slots for drives, and I'd be able to upgrade to 16GB ram if need be. 
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: thisismyusername on September 15, 2016, 08:22:23 PM
AMD...

(http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/YouTriedKerry.gif)

Have you read GAF's PC build thread (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1222740)? I don't know your budget or your intended use, but a SSD and 16 GB of RAM are both good things to have.

Listen to this man. If you still have a GAF account, go post your budget and needs over there. Buy the parts through a build a PC site like NCIX (if I remember right) pay like $200 more for them to build it if you can't do it yourself and you're done.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: mormapope on September 15, 2016, 10:25:12 PM
AMD...

(http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/YouTriedKerry.gif)

Have you read GAF's PC build thread (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1222740)? I don't know your budget or your intended use, but a SSD and 16 GB of RAM are both good things to have.

Listen to this man. If you still have a GAF account, go post your budget and needs over there. Buy the parts through a build a PC site like NCIX (if I remember right) pay like $200 more for them to build it if you can't do it yourself and you're done.

 :letsfukk
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: thisismyusername on September 15, 2016, 10:38:42 PM
:badass I'm just sayin', it's the one bright point over there. The PC community is pretty level headed.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on September 20, 2016, 02:11:49 PM
Ordered a 1070 today :bow

Came with Gears 4 :bow

PC gaming :bow
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: fistfulofmetal on September 20, 2016, 02:46:15 PM
Fuck I am so close to getting a 1070 but making a huge purchase just makes me feel bad.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Mr. Nobody on September 20, 2016, 04:36:17 PM
i had a problem with mounting my fan a few months back, despite coolermasters claims i'm pretty sure it wasn't supposed to be installed the way the directions said since it said the mount the board in the case first for stability, which would have rendered the fact that you had to put a nut on underneath impossible, what i figured out on my own worked way better thanks to my copius amount of large politically themed books to hold up the massive heat sink's weight

was somehow still easier than the stock fans intel shipped with their core 2 duos

Clips  :pacspit
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: thisismyusername on September 20, 2016, 08:59:50 PM
Ordered a 1070 today :bow

Came with Gears 4 :bow

PC gaming :bow

I'm so angry I bought a GPU two weeks ago. Though mine isn't eligible for this one. :doge
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: a slime appears on September 21, 2016, 08:22:21 AM
Go to this site for some good recommendations:

http://www.logicalincrements.com/


Once you've generally figured out what you're doing start building with this site

https://pcpartpicker.com/

Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: bork on September 21, 2016, 08:50:07 AM
Is there going to be much difference between the 1070 and 1080 if I'm using a 1080P monitor?

Was thinking about getting a desktop from Amazon.  This one seems like a good deal (https://www.amazon.com/CYBERPOWERPC-Panzer-PVP3000LQ-i7-6700K-GTX1080/dp/B01FX8T0TA/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1474460951&sr=8-5&keywords=gaming+pc+1080) although a buddy said that the water cooling system in it looked like cheap shit.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: archnemesis on September 21, 2016, 08:59:43 AM
If you read benchmarks there is a pretty big difference in performance between the two models. Do you have a high resolution monitor (e.g. 144 Hz or G-sync)? A 1070 is probably good enough if you're limited to 60 Hz.

I'm currently deciding between 1070, 1080, and the unreleased 1080Ti.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: a slime appears on September 21, 2016, 09:06:00 AM
Is there going to be much difference between the 1070 and 1080 if I'm using a 1080P monitor?

Was thinking about getting a desktop from Amazon.  This one seems like a good deal (https://www.amazon.com/CYBERPOWERPC-Panzer-PVP3000LQ-i7-6700K-GTX1080/dp/B01FX8T0TA/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1474460951&sr=8-5&keywords=gaming+pc+1080) although a buddy said that the water cooling system in it looked like cheap shit.

The wiser choice is to go 1070 over a 1080 since the price bump of a 1080 doesn't match the performance gains. If you just have a 1080p monitor you should probably look into upgrading that next ASAP.


About the PC you linked:
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: bork on September 21, 2016, 09:59:03 AM
If you read benchmarks there is a pretty big difference in performance between the two models. Do you have a high resolution monitor (e.g. 144 Hz or G-sync)? A 1070 is probably good enough if you're limited to 60 Hz.

I'm currently deciding between 1070, 1080, and the unreleased 1080Ti.

I have this 60 Hz ultra-wide 2560x1080 monitor.  (https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-MX299Q-29-2560x1080-Frameless/dp/B00DRPYQ9G/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1474467887&sr=1-1&keywords=ASUS+MX299) It's fantastic for what it is and I don't plan on getting a higher-resolution monitor anytime soon, since I picked it up in May.  The ASUS MX monitors are awesome for gaming and the 27" model is at the top of the list on Displaylag.  I notice a performance hit when I game at that resolution; my laptop definitely can't handle it as well as 1920x1080 and I have to drop settings way down for some games, so while I wanted to wait until next year to get a new PC, I may do it this year instead.

About the PC you linked:
  • The water cooling in there looks poor and is rather small; probably a budget custom config for Cyberpower.
  • The cost is pretty damn high; for example I bought a better rig with higher quality parts for at least $500 cheaper.
  • The rig is missing an SSD which is a deal-breaker.

Unless I missed something, it has a 240 GB SSD and a 2 TB HDD.

If I wanted a pre-built desktop, do you have a good recommendation?
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: a slime appears on September 21, 2016, 11:00:48 AM
I probably missed it, my bad. I only saw a 7200rpm drive mentioned in the specs.

I don't have recommendations for a pre-built desktop unfortunately.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: thisismyusername on September 21, 2016, 11:02:03 AM
If I wanted a pre-built desktop, do you have a good recommendation?

Yeah: Don't.

I mean if you really want to overpay, get a PC from like NCIX with PC Partpicker parts. Do not do Water Cooling. That's dumb "ricer" bullshit you don't need. A Good aftermarket fan will keep your stuff cool even if you're going to Overclock. If you're doing 1080p for a few years (or longer) a 1060 will be more than enough for PS4-era stuff (maybe future proof with the 1070 if you have money to burn) the 1080GPU is for people with more money then sense, especially the Titan models. Don't worry about those.

Get a motherboard that is able to handle the new i5/i7's, get the 1060/70 GPU, get about 16Gig RAM with 2 8gig sticks (depending on DDR4 prices) and maybe an audio card (IIRC) and that's about all you need. Unless you want faster loads/OS boot-ups the Solid States really aren't that needed (says someone that got one this past month for a 3 year old PC)
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: bork on September 21, 2016, 11:03:49 AM
Not interested in building one.  I want something that is ready to go.  I know it costs more that way, but hey.

:idont
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: thisismyusername on September 21, 2016, 11:04:31 AM
Not interested in building one.  I want something that is ready to go.  I know it costs more that way, but hey.

:idont

Then pick the parts I just told you to pick (mobo, cheap GPU, RAM) and get NCIX to build it. Don't do a pre-built and definitely don't do a watercooler if you're not wanting to build yourself. You're better off spending the ~$1000 (depending on budget) and the like $200 service/build-it-for-you fee than buying a pre-built with stuff that you won't really know how to use/dumb shit that fan cooling can do without worry.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: a slime appears on September 21, 2016, 11:16:02 AM
Building a PC yourself is so stupidly easy. Even ram timings are a thing of the past.

Compared to 10 years ago, building a PC today is fisher price levels of difficulty.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: thisismyusername on September 21, 2016, 11:18:59 AM
I mean, I can understand the caution but if a part breaks you're gonna have to fuck about with the water cooler to replace the part. Which is where my "don't do that if you're a first timer" comes in.

I just quickly threw this together. I'm not sure about the performance (http://pcpartpicker.com/list/DRmfyf) but this just shows you that you'd save like $300, lose the water cooling (no big deal), lose the 8 USB slots (do you really need that many?  :doge) and the keyboard and mouse (meh) but get nearly the same thing for slightly cheaper and then you can throw in the $200 "build-it-for-you" on that and save like $100 less (but I haven't put in an audio card or DVD/Blu-ray drives if you need that)

Also from what I saw some these are kinda overkill depending on what you're doing and definitely for 1080p.

The 1060 is budget (and I got it last week) so if you wanted to burn another $200 or so the 1070 would be fine.

I'll even throw in the SSD I bought earlier this month just because (http://pcpartpicker.com/list/tkMfyf).
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 21, 2016, 01:06:37 PM
Building is nice, but there is also that nice feeling of buying a finished product
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Brehvolution on September 21, 2016, 01:19:14 PM
Building a PC yourself is so stupidly easy. Even ram timings are a thing of the past.

Compared to 10 years ago, building a PC today is fisher price levels of difficulty.

 :shh Simple things for me yet highly complicated to someone else is pretty lucrative. :money
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: bork on September 21, 2016, 02:00:09 PM
User, what you are suggesting is $1342.57.  I'd rather pay a couple hundred more and get something from a company with a warranty and an easy return policy, as well as from a place where I can pay in installments-- I already blew a nice chunk of change buying a Surface Pro 4 outright a little while ago.  Hence Amazon.

Building a PC yourself is so stupidly easy. Even ram timings are a thing of the past.

Compared to 10 years ago, building a PC today is fisher price levels of difficulty.

The funny thing is that I've done it before-- I took a course on hardware and add to completely disassemble a desktop, then put it back together again.  I had never done this before and had no trouble.

Then two years ago, I tried upgrading the power supply and graphics card on the the desktop I had...and killed it.  :lol :doge 
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: fistfulofmetal on September 22, 2016, 07:37:12 AM
just ordered a 1070 :stahp
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 22, 2016, 08:41:02 AM
Who here games on a laptop?
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: a slime appears on September 22, 2016, 09:00:43 AM
Building a PC yourself is so stupidly easy. Even ram timings are a thing of the past.

Compared to 10 years ago, building a PC today is fisher price levels of difficulty.

 :shh Simple things for me yet highly complicated to someone else is pretty lucrative. :money

:bow Building your own PC :bow2

I built my new PC back in May. Last time I built a PC was in 2006. Shit just worked the first time with ZERO issues! The only hiccup was waiting for my MSI GTX 1080 Gaming X. Even fucking bought a Asus ROG 165hz 1440p monitor, PC gaming is fucking bliss.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: archnemesis on September 22, 2016, 09:32:30 AM
Who here games on a laptop?
I only use laptops when I'm on the move. A desktop with a good monitor, a full-sized keyboard and a good mouse is so much nicer to work with. If I only had a laptop I would probably do most of my gaming on consoles.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: bork on September 22, 2016, 09:49:59 AM
Who here games on a laptop?

I do- Have a nice little Sager.

But it's hooked up to an external monitor and I almost never unhook it. 
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: fistfulofmetal on September 22, 2016, 10:18:47 PM
1070 :bow2
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Beezy on September 23, 2016, 12:07:39 AM
I need to replace my GTX 680 before the year is over. How did you guys decide which version of the 1070 to get? Just looked on newegg and there's way too many to choose from.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 23, 2016, 12:26:36 AM
Eh, it doesn't really matter. There's some slight variance in performance, but not much.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 23, 2016, 02:17:12 AM
Wait for Vega

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:'(
[close]
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: archnemesis on September 23, 2016, 03:50:38 AM
I need to replace my GTX 680 before the year is over. How did you guys decide which version of the 1070 to get? Just looked on newegg and there's way too many to choose from.
I generally go for models that are overclocked with extra cooling (mostly because of the lower noise levels) with good user reviews. For the 1070 series there are several good alternatives with either three fans, or two oversized fans.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 23, 2016, 06:38:55 AM
I read somewhere there is an issue with 1070 that have a Micron chipset or something, if you wanna OC.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: fistfulofmetal on September 23, 2016, 09:25:26 AM
I need to replace my GTX 680 before the year is over. How did you guys decide which version of the 1070 to get? Just looked on newegg and there's way too many to choose from.

I bought the best selling EVGA model on Amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01I60OGUK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on September 23, 2016, 10:39:48 AM
I went with EVGA superclocked. Idk if that actually means anything lol.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Beezy on September 23, 2016, 11:06:10 AM
I need to replace my GTX 680 before the year is over. How did you guys decide which version of the 1070 to get? Just looked on newegg and there's way too many to choose from.

I bought the best selling EVGA model on Amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01I60OGUK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Thanks everyone, I'll just go with this. I tried Forza Motorsport 6 Apex on my PC last night in anticipation for Horizon 3 and it looked like ass, so I figured it's time to upgrade. I can't complain. Got my current card from Smooth Groove almost 3 years ago.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: bork on September 27, 2016, 04:52:14 PM
OK, definitely getting something new now-- I put up my Virtual Boy games (which includes Jack Bros., nice n' rare), two Gameboy games, and one Gameboy Advance game. on eBay this afternoon.  All of them sold and I came out with over $1,000.   :lol  I got some other funds too that puts me at a bit over $1,200.  I can foot the bill for another $400-$600 to get something crazy but I will also likely sell my laptop to a buddy and get another few hundred.

So now I'm not sure what to buy.  I want to get something INSANE now.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: bork on September 27, 2016, 08:15:59 PM
OK, done.  I'm going with an MSI Nightblade MI2 from CUK (https://www.amazon.com/Nightblade-i7-6700K-Workstation-Computer-Architects/dp/B01HN45IS4/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_4?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1475021287&sr=1-4-fkmr0&keywords=CUK+MSI+Nightblade+MI2+VR+Ready+Gaming+PC+(Intel+i7-6700K+Quad+Core,+32GB+RAM,+250GB+SSD+++2TB+SSHD,+GTX+1070+8GB,+Windows+10)+Powerful+Workstation+Desktop+Computer+Good+for+Architects+AutoCAD+Games&th=1&tag=viglink20290-20).  Decided to get a 1070 instead of a 1080 card and save a bit.  I don't think I need the 1080 since I'm doing 1080P gaming for at least two or three more years.  Can always upgrade later.  Will end up costing me less than $300 out of my own pocket.

Specs:
Processor: Intel Core i7-6700K Quad Core Processor (8M Cache, 4.0GHz - 4.2GHz) 91W
RAM: 32GB DDR4 2133MHz | Hard Drives: 250GB Solid State Drive + 2TB Solid State Hybrid Disk Drive
Optical Drive: SuperMulti 8X DVD+/-R/RW Dual Layer | Operating System: Windows 10 x64
Graphics Card: Geforce GTX 1070 8GB GDDR5 | Wireless: 802.11 AC Wireless Card
i7-6700K / 32GB RAM / 250GB SSD / 2TB SSHD / GTX 1070 Upgrades*
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 27, 2016, 09:55:18 PM
That's pretty much the same computer I've got. Unless you're playing at a really high resolution, you should be able to blow every game out of the water with ease.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: CajoleJuice on September 27, 2016, 10:00:07 PM
Yeah, you are set on 1080p for a while. Maxed-out settings and everything.

I'm probably gonna try to put together something similar but looking at 1440p, maybe.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: bork on September 27, 2016, 10:30:21 PM
That's pretty much the same computer I've got. Unless you're playing at a really high resolution, you should be able to blow every game out of the water with ease.

My monitor is 2560x1080, so I really just need an extra boost in power to run games at higher/max settings over my laptop, and this should do the trick nicely.  I usually game at 1920x1080 on non ultra-wide supported games, but there are the occasional games that stretch out when not at 2560x1080 and this will no longer be a problem.

I've already been gaming at 1080P but generally can't run stuff maxed out.  Most recent games are low/medium settings so this will make for a nice upgrade.

Although I have thought about hooking this PC up alongside my consoles, on my other 1920x1080 27" monitor, and just using it as a gaming box-- my Surface would then be docked to the ultra-wide monitor.  Probably won't though.

Yeah, you are set on 1080p for a while. Maxed-out settings and everything.

I'm probably gonna try to put together something similar but looking at 1440p, maybe.

:phil
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 28, 2016, 03:20:20 AM
i7-6700K is such overkill lol is there anything even that would get bottlenecked by an i5-6500? Don't think so.

Great rig though obviously.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Beezy on September 28, 2016, 03:59:13 AM
Yeah, you are set on 1080p for a while. Maxed-out settings and everything.

I'm probably gonna try to put together something similar but looking at 1440p, maybe.
What's needed for 1440p at 60fps?
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Rufus on September 28, 2016, 04:05:02 AM
Yeah, you are set on 1080p for a while. Maxed-out settings and everything.

I'm probably gonna try to put together something similar but looking at 1440p, maybe.
What's needed for 1440p at 60fps?
The same thing will do 1440p/60fps. No need to get a Titan X for that.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 28, 2016, 10:14:06 AM
Yeah, you are set on 1080p for a while. Maxed-out settings and everything.

I'm probably gonna try to put together something similar but looking at 1440p, maybe.
What's needed for 1440p at 60fps?
The same thing will do 1440p/60fps. No need to get a Titan X for that.

The 1070 is actually slightly faster than a Titan X.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Beezy on September 28, 2016, 10:17:47 AM
Cool. I don't have a monitor capable of that, but maybe I'll look into one next year if they're not too expensive.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Rufus on September 28, 2016, 02:53:11 PM
Yeah, you are set on 1080p for a while. Maxed-out settings and everything.

I'm probably gonna try to put together something similar but looking at 1440p, maybe.
What's needed for 1440p at 60fps?
The same thing will do 1440p/60fps. No need to get a Titan X for that.

The 1070 is actually slightly faster than a Titan X.
The Maxwell one from 2015. They now have a Pascal based one, too. Also named Titan X. Because that's a smart thing to do. :doge Then again, anyone buying it probably pays very close attention.

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/10series/titan-x-pascal
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: CajoleJuice on September 28, 2016, 04:39:46 PM
Cool. I don't have a monitor capable of that, but maybe I'll look into one next year if they're not too expensive.

Yeah, I just meant that I would put together basically the same build as bork, but use it on a 1440p monitor, which many reviews say is the sweet spot for the 1070. I really don't have a monitor right now, other than some 1080p LCD that's more a TV than a monitor, so I'd be willing to go out and buy a new monitor at 1440p.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: bork on September 29, 2016, 11:26:54 AM
PC arrived.
:phil

The box is small enough that you could mistake this thing for a console, damn!  :o
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: fistfulofmetal on September 29, 2016, 12:45:22 PM
My 1070 is awesome but I think I'm bottlenecking it in other places. I'm running an i7 3770, it's a few generations old. 16GB DDR3 Ram. I feel like I want to upgrade to the newest gen i7 or i5, and get some DDR4 memory.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: bork on September 30, 2016, 07:29:08 AM
Games like Street Fighter V and Overwatch run at max detail settings and 60 FPS, as expected.

Then I got to Rise Of The Tomb Raider.  Everything maxed out.  2560x1080 ultra widescreen 21:9 picture.  It ran buttery smooth.  I saw effects that I don't think I've seen in other games before.  :lol
:neo
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 30, 2016, 07:55:22 AM
Nice mate

:bow Eye candy is still alive :bow2

:piss Diminishing returns :piss2
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: bork on October 02, 2016, 11:01:41 PM
Tested some games over the weekend on my new MSI Nightblade MI2 PC.  Was able to run every game I tried, save one, maxed-out at the highest detail settings on my 2560x1080 ultra-wide monitor.  I don't have FRAPS installed right now but on games with FPS counters, I was getting 60 FPS.  I think Rise Of The Tomb Raider had some dips but stayed extremely high.  The one game that had performance issues was Deus Ex Human Revolution.  It stuttered like crazy.  :lol  Need to figure out what caused that and tweak it.

Despite the small form factor, the machine has stayed cool and pretty quiet.  Am very impressed with this thing.  It's small enough that if I wanted to I could easily put it right next to my game consoles and use it as a pure gaming rig.

Here's some screenshots.  The Steam game shots are compressed .JPEGs except for Tomb Raider.

Mirror's Edge Catalyst
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Rise Of The Tomb Raider
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Killer Instinct (not particularly-impressive, but it has a clean look)
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Resident Evil Revelations 2 (Ditto)
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5640/30079300775_6968bbebda_o.jpg
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Halo 5 Forge (Also very clean)
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5615/29451474644_1b733f98ea_o.png

Doom
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5693/30079299985_070d36a5cd_o.jpg
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Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes
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Street Fighter V
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5101/29784659220_6780c506fb_o.jpg
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Superhot
https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8130/29451477354_53d1c0e23f_o.jpg

Batman: Arkham Knight
https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7530/29996054661_7b2df6aefa_o.jpg
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Mortal Kombat X
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5203/29784660300_9c4d146f0f_o.jpg

Call Of Duty: Black Ops III
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5242/29996055101_f9dede1549_o.jpg

Dead Or Alive 5 (Which is basically a PS3 port-up and has little-to-no options available, but damn if it isn't clean as hell- actually looks like those bullshots that Team Ninja likes to use in their games.)
https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8445/29996054081_e26bce12b3_o.jpg
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Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 03, 2016, 03:07:56 AM
Those MSI desktops are really kawaii man, how much did it cost?
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Rufus on October 03, 2016, 05:13:05 AM
Ultrawide has its appeal, I must admit.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: bork on October 03, 2016, 07:34:57 AM
Those MSI desktops are really kawaii man, how much did it cost?

There's an Amazon reseller with different configurations at all different prices.  Some of them make no sense-- I saw ones with older graphics cards and less RAM for more money or the same price.  :lol

But this particular one was $1,690.

Ultrawide has its appeal, I must admit.

I got it more for non-gaming reasons -mainly for browsing/movie watching/both at the same time/etc- but it's really nice to have something close to a dual monitor setup without a bezel in the middle.

ultra-wide monitor

:rock

2560x1080

:donot

Didn't want to go with something higher-resolution at the time and I love ASUS' MX monitors.

:idont
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 03, 2016, 12:23:17 PM
No Witcher 3 screenshots?

:bolo
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: bork on October 03, 2016, 12:44:25 PM
No Witcher 3 screenshots?

:bolo

No Witcher 3

 :ohyou

I would never finish that game.  I will try out that Cyberpunk game whenever it comes out, however.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 03, 2016, 02:24:25 PM
Oh noes, can't be bothered to play one of the legit greatest games ever, but will dump untold hours into Professor Prole's Panty Patrol

:picard
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: bork on October 03, 2016, 02:36:15 PM
Why would I buy something that I know I'm never going to play through?  I'm not too big on medieval fantasy RPGs.  I mean, the game looks cool and all...but I'd probably play it for like an hour or two and never touch it again. 

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(Which I guess is the M.O. for most Steam users.)
:neogaf
[close]

Professor Prole's Panty Patrol

:phil
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 03, 2016, 03:51:53 PM
The gods of good taste need to pay you a visit

:beli
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Brehvolution on October 03, 2016, 04:24:49 PM
Why would I buy something that I know I'm never going to play through?  I'm not too big on medieval fantasy RPGs.  I mean, the game looks cool and all...but I'd probably play it for like an hour or two and never touch it again. 

Wrong. That game grips you. You will be thinking about it at work and dreaming about it at night.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 03, 2016, 04:26:05 PM
Its just the best game I ever played but sure skip it.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: bork on October 03, 2016, 09:38:36 PM
OK, I'll tell youse guys wut-- I'll give it a try once it pops up on sale.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: El Babua on October 03, 2016, 11:51:36 PM
Witcher 3 also has a variety of waifus if that sweetens the pot any.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 04, 2016, 01:01:57 AM
team jen :rock
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: bork on October 04, 2016, 10:51:29 PM
OK, onto DisplayPort.  I wondered what the difference was between this and HDMI, and couldn't really find a clear answer, so I ordered a cable to try for myself.  Some say that it helps with monitors that run at 144hz, but I have no idea if it really does anything for a 60hz monitor.

I plugged the cable in and right away noticed that the picture was brighter.  The image quality also seems a little sharper.  OK, cool. 

I woke up this morning and got no signal on the monitor.  Plugged HDMI back in and got a signal.  Did some testing this evening:

-This isn't a problem with the cable. 
-It's not a problem with the (multiple) displayport inputs on the PC.
-Changed the nVidia power settings to maximum, based on a recommendation.  No effect.
-I had a mini displayport-to-displayport cable for my Surface.  Got no signal with it too.
-Unplugged the monitor (including the power cord from the outlet) for a few minutes, based on a recommendation I got that didn't seem like it would work...but it did.
-Plugged the monitor back in.  Got a signal with the Surface.
-Put the Surface in standby.  Got a signal but it reset the display settings I had selected.
-Plugged the displayport cable back into the PC.  Got no signal.
-Unplugged the HDMI cable from the PC and got a signal.

:huh

Am wondering if this is just too much 'power' for the monitor to handle.  Maybe it supports an earlier standard of displayport or something?  If it happens again, it's back to HDMI.  Just weird.

EDIT: The cable was from CableMatters.  I see people complaining about their quality.  Back it goes-- made sure to check displayport.org and went with a VESA-certified one instead.
Title: Re: do people still make gaming desktop rigs? i want a desktop rig
Post by: thisismyusername on October 04, 2016, 10:58:16 PM
Why would I buy something that I know I'm never going to play through?  I'm not too big on medieval fantasy RPGs.  I mean, the game looks cool and all...but I'd probably play it for like an hour or two and never touch it again. 

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(Which I guess is the M.O. for most Steam users.)
:neogaf
[close]

Professor Prole's Panty Patrol

:phil

Because the Witcher is one of the decent ones out there. I haven't played Witcher 2 or 3, but the first one was pretty fun in a 2007 jank way. Plus the character is pretty good in the books.