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Title: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: SantaC on November 21, 2016, 11:08:05 AM
If we discount the philips zelda games; is skyward sword the worst zelda game?

-terrible waggle implemented everywhere
-worse overworld then wind waker
-lots of repeating content where you had to visit the same area over and over again
-dickhead grouse
-ok dungeons but hardly the pinnacle of the series
-i dont remember any good music

Didnt miyamoto use to be extremely critical of his own creations? How did this mess escape his teatable wrath.

Twilight Princess is a masterpiece in comparison.
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: MMaRsu on November 21, 2016, 11:52:22 AM
yup

Its the only one I couldnt stand through playing. Fucking waggling stick.

I think I'd rank Wind Waker over TP though, even with the triforce hunt at the end. The wolf sections in TP suck ass. Its good Dolphin is able to remove the bloom in the game, it looks a lot better without it.
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 21, 2016, 12:03:32 PM
How is this even a question?

Yes.
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: Tasty on November 21, 2016, 12:45:00 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: Tasty on November 21, 2016, 12:53:19 PM
Also Twilight Princess is a masterpiece, regardless of comparisons with the rest of the series.
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 21, 2016, 01:04:48 PM
This thread is so reassuring as it's also the only main line Zelda I've skipped
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: Tasty on November 21, 2016, 01:45:15 PM
Also Twilight Princess is a masterpiece, regardless of comparisons with the rest of the series.

it's too much of a blurry brown mess to be a masterpiece

Not the HD version. :aah
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 21, 2016, 02:06:47 PM
It's very flawed, but has a bunch of excellent moments that makes it worth playing.

I put it over TP because there were more high points in SS.
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 21, 2016, 02:13:26 PM
Also Twilight Princess is a masterpiece, regardless of comparisons with the rest of the series.

no

10 hour intro bs disqualifies it as a good game period

also it looked so bad on an hdtv it was unplayable almost  :-X
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: Rufus on November 21, 2016, 02:17:54 PM
This thread is so reassuring as it's also the only main line Zelda I've skipped

I remember the EDGE review which gave SS a 10 and claimed it was what Zelda was always meant to be.

Fuck that noise.

Ever since that day I stopped taking reviews seriously.
Zelda is one of those series with special protection. GTA is another.
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 21, 2016, 02:22:02 PM
shooting in gta  :-X

driving in gta  :-X
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: Bebpo on November 21, 2016, 02:30:25 PM
Does the train game count?  That's the worst one.
Skyward Sword is second worst.

I've finished every other Zelda, but I bailed on those two eventually and youtubed the rest because they were insanely tedious.  Hope new Zelda isn't a tedious fetch quest backtracking slog.
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 21, 2016, 02:32:41 PM
Nintendo inventef fetch quests and padding
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 21, 2016, 02:58:21 PM
Hell no.  It's better than WW and TP.
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: SantaC on November 21, 2016, 03:08:14 PM
Does the train game count?  That's the worst one.
Skyward Sword is second worst.

I've finished every other Zelda, but I bailed on those two eventually and youtubed the rest because they were insanely tedious.  Hope new Zelda isn't a tedious fetch quest backtracking slog.

Train game was also bad I agree. I dont remember, could you walk in the overworld, or was it always on rails?
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 21, 2016, 04:19:15 PM
I hate handholding.  But It didn't detract from the dungeon design or combat mechanics.
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: SantaC on November 21, 2016, 04:22:47 PM
combat mechanics.

oh please. The combat was garbage and unresponsive. I had to reset my IR pointer countless times.
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 21, 2016, 04:25:38 PM
Hell no.  It's better than WW and TP.

HOW

HOW CAN YOU BE A NINTENDO FAN AND HAVE SUCH SHIT TASTE IN NINTENDO GAMES

GO SIT IN YOUR ROOM UNTIL YOU'RE RIGHT
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: Tasty on November 21, 2016, 05:04:03 PM
I put it over TP because there were more high points in SS.

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Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: Tasty on November 21, 2016, 05:05:40 PM
Hell no.  It's better than WW and TP.

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Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: Tasty on November 21, 2016, 05:08:45 PM
I hate handholding.  But It didn't detract from the dungeon design or combat mechanics.

If we're going by dungeons, SS had one really great dungeon and six decent ones.

TP had two phenomenal dungeons, four great ones, one OK one, and two decent ones.

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Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: AdmiralViscen on November 21, 2016, 08:04:05 PM
Does the train game count?  That's the worst one.
Skyward Sword is second worst.

I've finished every other Zelda, but I bailed on those two eventually and youtubed the rest because they were insanely tedious.  Hope new Zelda isn't a tedious fetch quest backtracking slog.

Spot on

I loathe Spirit Tracks but it is a playable game, unlike SS
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on November 21, 2016, 09:53:00 PM
It is awful by all account. Really terrible. I mean it gives Bravely default a run for its money in the 'recycled content' department. And that's really saying something.

It is ironic then that despite all the terribleness it does have my favorite zelda dungeon

(http://zeldawiki.org/images/thumb/5/55/Ancient_Cistern.jpg/800px-Ancient_Cistern.jpg)

The ancient cistern is magnificent. Shame the rest of Skyward sword was nowhere close to this greatness.
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: bluemax on November 21, 2016, 11:42:32 PM
OOT is pretty bad these days aside from the dungeons. All the connecting tissue is just not very good.

Also are we counting Spirit Tracks as a mainline game? Cause that was worse than Waggle Sword. Not that I could be assed to finish either of them.
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 22, 2016, 01:54:41 AM
I started a replay of OoT a few weeks back because a work buddy and I set up an N64 in the break room. I was out when I realized I had to roll all the way back through the overworld to get Saria's song. Ain't nobody got time for that

At the time? Shit was amazing.
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: Tasty on November 22, 2016, 03:04:43 AM
OoT 3D fixed a lot of the issues. Hope it gets a Switch up-res.
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: benjipwns on November 22, 2016, 04:00:35 AM
I thought Ocarina and Mario 64 suffer from the same "OPEN WORLD IN 3D" thing where that's the whole hook of large chunks of their map design. And nothing else. It's only in retrospect, when we actually figured out how to deal with that and going back that I put a finger on what I didn't like about them originally to the extent everyone else did.

They obviously aren't the only games to suffer from this. And it lasted well into, hell, even still exists.

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Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: SantaC on November 22, 2016, 04:03:30 AM
I thought Ocarina and Mario 64 suffer from the same "OPEN WORLD IN 3D" thing where that's the whole hook of large chunks of their map design. And nothing else. It's only in retrospect, when we actually figured out how to deal with that and going back that I put a finger on what I didn't like about them originally to the extent everyone else did.

They obviously aren't the only games to suffer from this. And it lasted well into, hell, even still exists.

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I always thought Spyro was way better than Mario 64 :shh
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I found no problems with OoT's map design. It had plenty of secrets, and I remember searching every nook and cranny for stuff.
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: tiesto on November 22, 2016, 11:21:11 AM
The DS games, Phantom Hourglass and (especially) Spirit Tracks were worse. But Skyward Sword was a pretty weak entry too, ridiculous amounts of padding and back-and-forth. Not to mention glitchy waggle that made combat a chore. Much prefer TP, owing to that game's great dungeons (the best part of any Zelda).
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: Rufus on November 22, 2016, 11:24:06 AM
I couldn't get over the controls in Phantom Hourglass. Never even got to the point where returning to the main dungeon starts to get annoying. I wonder if it's better on an emulator, where your hand doesn't block the touch screen... Hm.
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: benjipwns on November 22, 2016, 10:36:05 PM
http://www.theonion.com/americanvoices/nearly-half-world-will-be-online-2017-54755
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: bluemax on November 23, 2016, 12:38:14 AM
I thought Ocarina and Mario 64 suffer from the same "OPEN WORLD IN 3D" thing where that's the whole hook of large chunks of their map design. And nothing else. It's only in retrospect, when we actually figured out how to deal with that and going back that I put a finger on what I didn't like about them originally to the extent everyone else did.

They obviously aren't the only games to suffer from this. And it lasted well into, hell, even still exists.

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I always thought Spyro was way better than Mario 64 :shh
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I found no problems with OoT's map design. It had plenty of secrets, and I remember searching every nook and cranny for stuff.

Literally everything in OoT is on the edge of the map except the ranch. Twilight Princess had almost the same problem, where all you have to do is walk along the edges to find stuff as there's almost nothing worth you time in the wide open space that makes up most of the map. I think that was the biggest problem with almost every 3D Zelda, they never figured out how to make an organic game world and everything just felt like OoT with slightly better models and textures in terms of world design.

I think a lot of this is a hardware limitation, as Xenoblade on the Wii kinda felt the same way, but it might also just be some kind of Japanese game design philosophy.
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: curly on November 23, 2016, 01:44:39 AM
at least it isn't as ugly as Twilight Princess (HD version included)

I can only love pretty Zelda games
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: Let's Cyber on November 23, 2016, 05:43:01 AM
I don't remember a ton of the specifics about Skyward Sword other than

-the god awful swim controls (fucking tadtones)
-enjoying the dungeons
-I liked being able to upgrade my gear
-The flying whale was cool, as was the boss fight when he was infected or whatever
-recalibrating  :-\
-the unnecessary padding
-the music was awesome

The foundation was there for a great game. The padding and inconsistent motion controls watered down the entire experience. 

I have high hopes for BotW, especially since the focus was righting the wrongs of SS.

Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: benjipwns on November 23, 2016, 05:56:28 AM
i still haven't figured out how the console Zelda's keep having so much nearly finished content cut yet winding up with so much useless padding

are they hiring people from bethesda?
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 23, 2016, 01:43:32 PM
The only padding that bothered me in SS was the Wisp Hunt. Or whatever bullshit they called it. It totally slowed the flow of the game. I didn't even mind fighting the giant black blob a bunch of times. It made sense to the story.



Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 23, 2016, 11:36:52 PM
yes its like a 6/10 game
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: curly on November 25, 2016, 08:23:35 PM
Skyward Sword Zelda's outfit>>>>>Twilight Princess Zelda's outfit
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: Huff on November 25, 2016, 09:02:24 PM
Couldn't finish it. Didn't want to bother with the combat/controls after a point
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: a slime appears on November 25, 2016, 10:12:25 PM
I finished it. It is the worst mainline Zelda game.
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: Trent Dole on November 28, 2016, 05:14:02 AM
Last mainline Zeruda I finished was Wind Waker. :doge
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: benjipwns on November 28, 2016, 05:14:43 AM
same :doge
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: bork on November 28, 2016, 09:09:25 AM
The last Zelda I finished was Link's Awakening.  :doge
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: Positive Touch on November 28, 2016, 09:58:31 AM
Only Zelda games i never played were spirit tracks and skyward sword. Don't feel like i missed much
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 28, 2016, 01:22:18 PM
Link's Awakening, totally forgot I wanted to play it with an emulator :ohhh

It's p. good. Beat it lots of times on the ol brick
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: Positive Touch on November 28, 2016, 01:48:18 PM
Only annoying thing about LA is the controls bc they have you switching to the menu constantly. Otherwise it's one of the best games in the series. Fun dungeons and the best cast of supporting characters in the series. It's absolutely a classic.
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: bork on November 28, 2016, 02:44:39 PM
As much as I loved Link's Awakening/DX, I never could get into the Oracle games.  Just felt like Link's Awakening ROM hacks from Flagship/Capcom.
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: benjipwns on November 29, 2016, 12:54:01 AM
Only annoying thing about LA is the controls bc they have you switching to the menu constantly.
This is so you don't realize it's only like four to six hours long. :teehee
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: Positive Touch on November 29, 2016, 01:05:06 AM
gtfo! it felt so huge and epic when I was a kid. can't believe it's actually so short!
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: benjipwns on November 29, 2016, 01:08:53 AM
the owl adds another couple hours

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Post by: Syph on November 29, 2016, 02:24:53 AM
LA is great because it's decently difficult
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 29, 2016, 03:01:59 PM
But you could shoot bomb arrows so that was rad
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: Positive Touch on November 29, 2016, 03:27:23 PM
I hated the fuck out of Luigi when he stole my chicken friend away :maf
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: Let's Cyber on December 07, 2016, 01:42:50 AM
I went back and started a new game today.  My impressions aren't good.

Lack of camera control

 :trash

Finicky aiming

:trash

Long ass intro

:trash

Looks awful on my TV, though this is my own fault for not playing on Dolphin.

Really feels like the game isn't respecting my time.  It really still shows it roots to the N64 games, especially with the camera and blocky play areas.  Some of this is due to the Wii being underpowered but god damn it has not aged well.   
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on December 07, 2016, 11:47:11 AM
I simply don't understand all the padding in modern zelda games. I can imagine a lot of criticisms against Zelda but "too short" was never really one that I've come across (outside of ALBW) Just don't get why they have consistently been like "You know what this needs? Pointless inane stuff!" Since like Majora's Mask.
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: Let's Cyber on December 07, 2016, 12:37:54 PM
The N64 games had the decency of having cool intro lead into the game right away. OOT starts off with a dungeon after all.
OoT handled it a million times better than TP and SS.
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 07, 2016, 02:00:55 PM
Wind Waker at least had you dicking around with a sword after like 5 minutes
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: Tasty on December 07, 2016, 02:06:37 PM
Replaying TP HD, the intro isn't that bad outside of a couple crucially terrible things:

- Herding goats a second time had no purpose
- The slingshot really had no purpose, do an aiming tutorial when you get the bow if you must but don't shove a superfluous weapon into the opening of the game
- The swordplay with the kids/scarecrow should have been optional
- You're stuck as Wolf Link for an hour+

The rest of it wasn't too bad. If they removed those first three and made you only play as Wolf Link for 20 minutes the intro would have been fine. Still not great but at least as good as WW.
Title: Re: Is skyward sword the worst mainline zelda game
Post by: Let's Cyber on December 07, 2016, 02:42:11 PM
For the very first time playing the game, that messing around in the village is fine.  I'd actually argue it was kind of neat to just be a member of the community and do stupid goat farmer tasks. It gave the game character. The problem is that a lot of it is mandatory and make replays a pain the in ass.

I don't think I reached the forest temple until 3+ hours in (I probably did a lot of fucking around though, to be fair).  The Forest Temple is actually pretty meaty but to have the first real dungeon be that fair into the game is crazy.  Dungeon as tutorial a la OoT was the best as far as 3D Zeldas have gone. You could mess around in the village if you wanted, but the path to getting your sword and shield and jumping into the action was relatively short if the player wanted it to be.

Yet again, another example of BotW looking like it will get it right.  Give me some exposition at the start and just let me loose into the game world. :obama