THE BORE
General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 03, 2017, 02:57:24 PM
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http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1330365
Good Christ I hope nobody in that thread ever obtains a leadership position. You're your own problem.
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(http://i.imgur.com/Qn1XNkH.gif)
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:confused
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Dementia is clearly creeping in at this point. Stay safe, fam.
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Utter and complete weakness.
"How can a cry and have everybody see me?"
Grow some balls, lefties. You needed to hear that.
Have a super day.
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What did you get for xmas, AIA?
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What did you get for xmas, AIA?
Salt.
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So it's been long enough since your fantasy team shit the bed to post again?
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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AiA I agree with you but I feel that your way of expressing it is wrong.
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AiA I agree with you but I feel that your way of expressing it is wrong.
Keep in mind that he doesn't give a shit about the left for anything other than the purpose of mocking it.
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your team got spanked by shit ass fsu
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After losing an election for multiple reasons liberals have retreated and started to become absolutely puerile in their philosophy. I realized after the election that it showed how weak and infallible the state is if someone like Trump can be elected. Liberals refuse to take any part in accepting that our method of communication, talking down to people, arrogantly kicking people we don't agree with off our social media, blaming each and every thing except Clinton and her campaign for why the democrats lost the election. When I felt after the election I needed to buy a gun for self defense purposes similar "allies" attempted to throw me under the bus and classify me as stupid and anti-intellectual for wanting one.
With some self reflection after the election, the loss was deserved, the arrogance was real, and I've truly become to realize how weak neo liberalism truly is as a philosophy, that empathizes only with people they agree with, who so ostensibly think they have the answers for all people. We were temporary allies in the fight against Donald Trump but two weeks ago, because of what I saw in the minds and behavior of liberals I decided to end my relationship with the Democratic Party. Before the election I was more of a Marxist but more and more I am starting to relate to libertarian socialism of the Chomsky school, although I refuse to put all my eggs in one basket. Liberals are indeed ideologically weak but telling them to grow balls and stuff just doesn't make you look remotely good, especially since pointing fingers and laughing is what liberals do and you should be above it. Rather than descend into their tactics, rise above it, and fight it with argumentation.
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So basically, after the election and some sober reflection Himu has taken a walk in the park.
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Politics is just another religion.
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After losing an election for multiple reasons liberals have retreated and started to become absolutely puerile in their philosophy. I realized after the election that it showed how weak and infallible the state is if someone like Trump can be elected. Liberals refuse to take any part in accepting that our method of communication, talking down to people, arrogantly kicking people we don't agree with off our social media, blaming each and every thing except Clinton and her campaign for why the democrats lost the election. When I felt after the election I needed to buy a gun for self defense purposes similar "allies" attempted to throw me under the bus and classify me as stupid and anti-intellectual for wanting one.
With some self reflection after the election, the loss was deserved, the arrogance was real, and I've truly become to realize how weak neo liberalism truly is as a philosophy, that empathizes only with people they agree with, who so ostensibly think they have the answers for all people. We were temporary allies in the fight against Donald Trump but two weeks ago, because of what I saw in the minds and behavior of liberals I decided to end my relationship with the Democratic Party. Before the election I was more of a Marxist but more and more I am starting to relate to libertarian socialism of the Chomsky school, although I refuse to put all my eggs in one basket. Liberals are indeed ideologically weak but telling them to grow balls and stuff just doesn't make you look remotely good, especially since pointing fingers and laughing is what liberals do and you should be above it. Rather than descend into their tactics, rise above it, and fight it with argumentation.
Yeah, #demexit will really strengthen GOP/Trumpist opposition.
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So basically, after the election and some sober reflection Himu has taken a walk in the park.
This is basically a troll thread but even still I'm not sure I understand the Himu Kneejerk.
The system has always been fucked. People have always been stupid. Sometimes you win. Sometimes you lose. When you lose the trolls come out of the woodworks. When you win they disappear. That's the next 4/8 years. It is what it is.
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I'm not sure I understand the Himu Kneejerk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs
If liberals keep acting like how they are now Trump will win 2020.
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I'm not going to bother to seriously engage in a troll thread. You are entitled to your opinion. I disagree. (Not on that trump may win in 2020. But in the reasons why he may win) That also is what it is.
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This is basically a troll thread but even still I'm not sure I understand the Himu Kneejerk.
Not the first time and won't be the last. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Edit- Holy shit when did that emoji happen? :lol
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Actually my team is Arsenal, which is even worse
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We talking about OSU? Because LOL.
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I'm not sure I understand the Himu Kneejerk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs
If liberals keep acting like how they are now Trump will win 2020.
What the hell is this, Mr. Rogers? Did he just get out of bed or something?
I AM VERY BUSY BUT I HAVE JUST ENOUGH TIME TO YELL AT THIS ZOOMY CAMERA IF YOU WILL EXCUSE MY DRESSING DURING MY SOLILOQUY
Edit: That guy'd be banned and labelled on GAF.
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It isn't really a knee jerk. The election was two months ago and liberals have shown what kind of people they are after the fact. AiA is right on this topic.
I've also been socialist since 2013. So it's really not a new thing either. The election didn't make me non-socialist. I was a socialist working with liberals.
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Bernie may not have won, but he probably would have at least actually fucking campaigned in middle america. :duh
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Bernie may not have won, but he probably would have at least actually fucking campaigned in middle america. :duh
If Bernie had run and lost the narrative would be that's what you get for electing a socialist for your party. That's what's wonderful about elections. Every rando (including myself) is suddenly an expert on what it takes to win an election and what is the narrative to learn from any election.
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I'm not sure I understand the Himu Kneejerk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs
If liberals keep acting like how they are now Trump will win 2020.
What the hell is this, Mr. Rogers? Did he just get out of bed or something?
I AM VERY BUSY BUT I HAVE JUST ENOUGH TIME TO YELL AT THIS ZOOMY CAMERA IF YOU WILL EXCUSE MY DRESSING DURING MY SOLILOQUY
Edit: That guy'd be banned and labelled on GAF.
It's a satirical show. Forgot the name. He acts as though he's an anchor before or after the cameras go live. Always the same set-up, I think. Was in the two I've seen, anyway.
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I'm not sure I understand the Himu Kneejerk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs
If liberals keep acting like how they are now Trump will win 2020.
What the hell is this, Mr. Rogers? Did he just get out of bed or something?
I AM VERY BUSY BUT I HAVE JUST ENOUGH TIME TO YELL AT THIS ZOOMY CAMERA IF YOU WILL EXCUSE MY DRESSING DURING MY SOLILOQUY
Edit: That guy'd be banned and labelled on GAF.
It's a satirical show. Forgot the name. He acts as though he's an anchor before or after the cameras go live. Always the same set-up, I think. Was in the two I've seen, anyway.
Thank you.
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blaming each and every thing except Clinton and her campaign for why the democrats lost the election.
No one does this. She ran a poor campaign. She also got railroaded with the help of a complicit media, and completely fucked over twice by an FBI Director who abused his authority in July, and violated the Hatch Act in October. All of these things can be true.
Your statement here sounds like one of those fucktarded redditors that wants all Clinton supporters to apologize to them for not voting Bernie in the primary.
I disagree. From what I've seen they blame everything but Clinton and the campaign and DNC. They especially blame Comey and the Trump "racists" who voted for him. Hillary and her own campaign still refuse to accept their contribution to their loss. That said, the DNC has had a few shakings so it's certainly not 100%, and maybe it's influenced by my social media, but yes, I have observed that most liberals are incapable of blaming Clinton and her campaign - for which they placed tremendous faith in - for the adding to the loss. They also aren't aware of, or are completely doubling down in the all or nothing smug rhetoric from pre-election. In some cases it's used as a coping mechanism, but in cases like this thread act like a very excellent case study of the behavior I've observed.
Who said I wanted an apology? LOL. I voted for Bernie and Clinton. Get real. Your post sounds like a deflection more than anything else.
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maybe it's influenced by my social media, but yes, I have observed that most liberals are incapable of blaming Clinton and her campaign
You are in a bubble. Or you are not understanding the very human nature of how people deal with stuff after a defeat which happens every 4 years for one side. But then again twitter or facebook are about the least receptive places to understand nuance. People have many different views on this subject. Some also feel legit disgusted with certain tactics on the other side. Some have very legit complaints about the campaign that was run. The fact that you don't see how people can hold both and more viewpoints is odd. Hence the himu taking a walk in the part meme.
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I hate how Hillary made liberals became smug on the Internet in 2016 and gave Trump the election. :-\
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maybe it's influenced by my social media, but yes, I have observed that most liberals are incapable of blaming Clinton and her campaign
You are in a bubble. Or you are not understanding the very human nature of how people deal with stuff after a defeat which happens every 4 years for one side. But then again twitter or facebook are about the least receptive places to understand nuance. People have many different views on this subject. Some also feel legit disgusted with certain tactics on the other side. Some have very legit complaints about the campaign that was run. The fact that you don't see people can hold both and more viewpoints is odd. Hence the himu taking a walk in the part meme.
Oh. I understand the human nature element of it. I very much think you can hold both viewpoints. I'm a socialist who voted for Hillary Clinton. I'm surrounded by people who voted third party and opted for what I felt to be the most practical choice. I'm also surrounded by people who were 100% Democrat all the way and if you don't vote for Hillary you're a racist. The fact you think I am not knowledgeable about this, despite tossing away many of my own principles for the greater good (voting for Clinton) makes me think you don't know a thing about me, honestly. Or maybe I'm not articulating myself well. Basically, I have no qualms if someone voted for Hillary. I did the very thing. What I'm talking about is behavior, before and after. You say I'm in a bubble but this exists way outside of my bubble as well.
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Ayy, my Trump icon for shrug emoticon. Perfect :lol
Relevant theme song (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsYJyVEUaC4) for GAF
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maybe it's influenced by my social media, but yes, I have observed that most liberals are incapable of blaming Clinton and her campaign
You are in a bubble. Or you are not understanding the very human nature of how people deal with stuff after a defeat which happens every 4 years for one side. But then again twitter or facebook are about the least receptive places to understand nuance. People have many different views on this subject. Some also feel legit disgusted with certain tactics on the other side. Some have very legit complaints about the campaign that was run. The fact that you don't see people can hold both and more viewpoints is odd. Hence the himu taking a walk in the part meme.
Oh. I understand the human nature element of it. I very much think you can hold both viewpoints. I'm a socialist who voted for Hillary Clinton. I'm surrounded by people who voted third party and opted for what I felt to be the most practical choice. I'm also surrounded by people who were 100% Democrat all the way and if you don't vote for Hillary you're a racist. The fact you think I am not knowledgeable about this, despite tossing away many of my own principles for the greater good (voting for Clinton) makes me think you don't know a thing about me, honestly. Or maybe I'm not articulating myself well. Basically, I have no qualms if someone voted for Hillary. I did the very thing. What I'm talking about is behavior, before and after. You say I'm in a bubble but this exists way outside of my bubble as well.
Aren't you the person who basically made a thread about how evil and regressive white culture is a few months ago? But now you have deep questions about the behavior of people upset after an election loss and seem upset yourself they haven't come to terms with it in the manner you have.
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I'm not sure I understand the Himu Kneejerk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs
If liberals keep acting like how they are now Trump will win 2020.
What the hell is this, Mr. Rogers? Did he just get out of bed or something?
I AM VERY BUSY BUT I HAVE JUST ENOUGH TIME TO YELL AT THIS ZOOMY CAMERA IF YOU WILL EXCUSE MY DRESSING DURING MY SOLILOQUY
Edit: That guy'd be banned and labelled on GAF.
It's a character a British journalist does. The whole approach he takes is interesting. It's staged, but it's the first positive use of post-irony that I have seen. It mixes in a bit of gonzo, the "rant" performance, and breaking the passive social media experience by making the viewer aware of the cameraman as filter. It's message being "this is staged character, but still somehow sincere."
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maybe it's influenced by my social media, but yes, I have observed that most liberals are incapable of blaming Clinton and her campaign
You are in a bubble. Or you are not understanding the very human nature of how people deal with stuff after a defeat which happens every 4 years for one side. But then again twitter or facebook are about the least receptive places to understand nuance. People have many different views on this subject. Some also feel legit disgusted with certain tactics on the other side. Some have very legit complaints about the campaign that was run. The fact that you don't see people can hold both and more viewpoints is odd. Hence the himu taking a walk in the part meme.
Oh. I understand the human nature element of it. I very much think you can hold both viewpoints. I'm a socialist who voted for Hillary Clinton. I'm surrounded by people who voted third party and opted for what I felt to be the most practical choice. I'm also surrounded by people who were 100% Democrat all the way and if you don't vote for Hillary you're a racist. The fact you think I am not knowledgeable about this, despite tossing away many of my own principles for the greater good (voting for Clinton) makes me think you don't know a thing about me, honestly. Or maybe I'm not articulating myself well. Basically, I have no qualms if someone voted for Hillary. I did the very thing. What I'm talking about is behavior, before and after. You say I'm in a bubble but this exists way outside of my bubble as well.
Aren't you the person who basically made a thread about how evil and regressive white culture is a few months ago? But now you have deep questions about the behavior of people upset after an election lose and seem upset yourself they haven't come to terms with it in the manner you have.
I am combating the very type of mindset that lead me to believe those things i did. In my case, it was liberals who influenced me to have those beliefs. Once I realized how wrong they were, I realized how liberals are as well. Maybe it isn't liberals, maybe it's sjw's. I don't know. But the people I know who act like this identify as liberals on and offline, and they influenced me to think like this. Observing how they've reacted after the election, I've been able to see first hand how they did it: with division. These people I'm talking about are the people who said to cut out anyone in your social group who didn't support BLM, who supported Trump, et al. After seeing how they behave after the election, and to recognize that type of mindset probably contributed to the loss, they doubled down on it. This exists beyond my circle, and is seen in media as well.
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maybe it's influenced by my social media, but yes, I have observed that most liberals are incapable of blaming Clinton and her campaign
You are in a bubble. Or you are not understanding the very human nature of how people deal with stuff after a defeat which happens every 4 years for one side. But then again twitter or facebook are about the least receptive places to understand nuance. People have many different views on this subject. Some also feel legit disgusted with certain tactics on the other side. Some have very legit complaints about the campaign that was run. The fact that you don't see people can hold both and more viewpoints is odd. Hence the himu taking a walk in the part meme.
Oh. I understand the human nature element of it. I very much think you can hold both viewpoints. I'm a socialist who voted for Hillary Clinton. I'm surrounded by people who voted third party and opted for what I felt to be the most practical choice. I'm also surrounded by people who were 100% Democrat all the way and if you don't vote for Hillary you're a racist. The fact you think I am not knowledgeable about this, despite tossing away many of my own principles for the greater good (voting for Clinton) makes me think you don't know a thing about me, honestly. Or maybe I'm not articulating myself well. Basically, I have no qualms if someone voted for Hillary. I did the very thing. What I'm talking about is behavior, before and after. You say I'm in a bubble but this exists way outside of my bubble as well.
Aren't you the person who basically made a thread about how evil and regressive white culture is a few months ago? But now you have deep questions about the behavior of people upset after an election lose and seem upset yourself they haven't come to terms with it in the manner you have.
I am combating the very type of mindset that lead me to believe those things i did. In my case, it was liberals who influenced me to have those beliefs. Once I realized how wrong they were, I realized how liberals are as well. Maybe it isn't liberals, maybe it's sjw's. I don't know. But the people I know who act like this identify as liberals on and offline, and they influenced me to think like this. Observing how they've reacted after the election, I've been able to see first hand how they did it: with division.
Dude. You are kneejerking from one extreme viewpoint to another. And I would argue that's more the issue than the actual issue you are talking about. But honestly, I'm out.
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Himu is getting redpilled.
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Dude. You are kneejerking from one extreme viewpoint to another. And I would argue that's more the issue than the actual issue you are talking about. But honestly, I'm out.
Maybe you're right. I'll consider it. No one has told me about liberals like this. Honestly, this is a part of *my* election coming to terms. I still can't believe that democrats put all their eggs in one basket, claimed to speak for us, claimed to protect us and then screwed the pooch. With such high stakes, they should have been primed on winning. Instead, I lose protections when Trump is elected. So yeah, I'm pissed at liberals and especially Clinton defenders.
I'm just bitter. I'll get over it.
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Himu is getting redpilled.
No.
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nothing to say about college football AiA? :doge
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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-obamacare-idUSKBN14L0OP
again, if democrats KNEW this would happen. WHY did they allow Clinton to run such a paltry campaign? If the stakes were THAT high? Do they not care about minorities as much as they say while running on a platform that was identity politics focused? Or did they arrogantly think they could win without visiting most of the country despite running a flawed candidate? Questions worth asking.
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She lost to a guy with the highest unfavorables ever, who was dealing with an October Surprise video of him talking about sexually assaulting women. While her campaign was indeed trash at this point you also have to acknowledge she was simply a bad candidate, running at the worst possible time. And I see no alternate reality way to change her getting the nomination. Unless she was put in jail in 2015, Biden ran and beat Sanders for the nom.
Biden wasn't going to beat her and has never done well in a democrat (presidential) primary. Unless you completely prevent her from running there was no way to prevent her winning the nom.
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She lost to a guy with the highest unfavorables ever, who was dealing with an October Surprise video of him talking about sexually assaulting women. While her campaign was indeed trash at this point you also have to acknowledge she was simply a bad candidate, running at the worst possible time.
I'm sorry. People say I should be mad at conservatives, but FUCKING. NO. She lost while parading my rights on a platter to the guy who everyone thought would lose on arrogance.
And after the election, her supporters come out and defend that [EXPLICITIVE] and casting the entire country as racist, and it was the news media, and fake news when it's pretty clear what the problem was. Instead of self reflection they continue to point to outside sources. Even if she got the nom, she could have at least visited rural areas that she was suggested to go to. When I read that her campaign manager turned down the advice of Bill fucking Clinton, I lost my shit. A large part of this election was lost on liberal smug and arrogance, but look at what the conservatives are doing! I'm sorry, but it pisses me off and I do not appreciate my life being used as a poker chip.
You're right she ran at the worst time. But that only serves to make her campaign look all the worse for it. Fucking Tim Kaine as VP. "Basket of deplorables." I just don't know. Reading into the campaign post-election makes me furious. And to make matters worse, instead of conceding that hey maybe we ran a flawed campaign and we should learn from that and we deserved the L, they blame Comey. Donald Trump and his team scare me, but I find the apathy of the Democratic party and its handling of its constituents to be just as disgusting.
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This thread could have turned into a good thread about your team
PD is on your team
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This thread could have turned into a good thread about your team
PD is on your team
This thread is on your team
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1) If Comey doesn't pull that shit, she wins.
2) She lost by less than 100k votes in 3 states that swung the election. Yes, she looks stupid for not campaigning in Wisconsin at all especially with a winnable Senate seat, Michigan barely at all, and in only Philly and Pittsburgh in PA. But that's all Monday morning qb shit. Remember that all the polls HAD HER WINNING. FUCKING EVERYONE WAS WRONG. It was a bizarre, once in a lifetime event.
3) She won the popular vote by almost 3 million votes, the 3rd highest total in history. Democratic Senate and House candidates got more votes than their GOP counterparts. Long term, demographics favor the Democratic party coalition way more than they do the GOP coalition. The bicameral nature of the legislature, low Dem coalition turnout in non-Presidential elections, and vigorous opposition gerrymandering are what's fucking us in the short term. Yes, there are some dumb things Democrats do but "whining and being sensitive" are not among them.
4) Donald Trump is a lying, deal breaking, racist, misogynistic, xenophobic, narcissistic dullard. I understand not liking Hillary, but anyone that ACTIVELY VOTED FOR TRUMP is at the very least making the tacit statement that they are ok with such a person running our country. Calling them out for that is not rude, it's a necessary act.
The Democratic party isn't perfect, but until the GOP stops putting racism, sexism, gay bashing, and transphobia IN THEIR FUCKING PARTY PLATFORM, I feel no need to be nice to them for the fee fees sakes. In fact, anyone that DOES try to "reach out" to them without making abundantly clear that you believe that all human beings are equal and deserve equal opportunity and protection under the law is, in my opinion, the whining pussy.
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I fucking hate liberals.
Even though I share their beliefs.
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I fucking hate liberals.
Even though I share their beliefs.
Mind expounding why? I'm curious about this.
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I feel like Himu has swung way too far in the other direction when it comes to post-campaign reflection. We were pretty aligned at first but she's gone a bit far IMO.
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Well, Himu...
Mostly because of shit like this:
https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/484418/
https://www.politico.eu/article/western-lit-shot-to-death-by-trigger-warnings/
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I feel like Himu has swung way too far in the other direction when it comes to post-campaign reflection. We were pretty aligned at first but she's gone a bit far IMO.
I'm very much on the left. That much has never changed. The only thing that has gone right is my stance on guns. If you think guns should be banned after Donald Trump got elected legally despite everything he said, which shows how fragile democracy is especially in a modern world where people are less capable of sharing ideas due to society being a great bubble, then you're probably a fool considering the origins of this nation. Every other stance is identical from before. That said, I do now have waning ideas on the nature of the state if someone like Trump can get elected, but I do consider it necessary.
I'm still a pro-equal rights, anti-capitalist. What has swung?
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And liberals don't unfriend Trump voters because they're conservative. They unfriend Trump voters because they voted for an awful bigot who said many disgusting things on camera and ran the ugliest, most dishonest campaign of all time.
I disagree. I've seen a lot of people on social media and offline outright dismiss people with different views. I recall someone here defriending someone from their fb just because he had a pro-Trump argument and said things like "the Democrats used to be pro-slave! This is the party you support!" and he was pretty harmless even a little cute in his demeanor. Got unfriended because "sorry guys we need a place where everyone agrees with us." I've seen it more times to count. I've done it myself. I used to have a circle offline that was pretty diverse in viewpoint. Now it's full of only people who agree with me. Realizing that I didn't know a single Trump voter after the election caused for great reflection.
In the end though, it goes beyond party lines and in their own way, Republican's do the same thing. This thread is even called "this is your team" as if political parties are sports teams. The entire political structure in how it influences culture is disgusting and it's far too easy to get sucked into it. I'm already doing it now.
Well, Himu...
Mostly because of shit like this:
https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/484418/
https://www.politico.eu/article/western-lit-shot-to-death-by-trigger-warnings/
I agree. It feels both camps are inherently authoritarian.
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AiA wins again, and with minimal effort.
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there was no way to prevent her winning the nom.
I dunno about that. Surely someone (not Sanders) would've taken Sander's policies ran with them and Clinton's "I can take care of you" for gays and other minorities (without Clinton's baggage on that, see: Superpredators) AND not have the baggage of either (Communist/history respectively)?
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"I read an article on Vice..."
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All this arguing over Clinton obscures the fact that the dems are getting wrecked in elections up and down the ticket and have been for a while. Finding the perfect nominee who would have beat Trump doesn't fix that problem. There needs to be a more fundamental shift in strategy and message but instead we'll get four years of devastating Olbermann takedowns accusing Trump of being gay for Putin.
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You can't talk down to people when you're full of shit yourselves. The public figured that out abot the left, as well as much of the media, and that's what they need to address. For all of Hildog's faults, she could have won if the Dems acted as honorable and good as they think they are. Instead, they called a large part of the country deplorable, disgusting people while sucking banker dick, getting caught having the press do their bidding, and twice ruckfucked over while covering for Mister Dick Pix.
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All this arguing over Clinton obscures the fact that the dems are getting wrecked in elections up and down the ticket and have been for a while. Finding the perfect nominee who would have beat Trump doesn't fix that problem. There needs to be a more fundamental shift in strategy and message but instead we'll get four years of devastating Olbermann takedowns accusing Trump of being gay for Putin.
It's a thing that ties into AiA's point. Creepy brought up that Hillary won by 3 million votes but still didn't win by the electoral college. He mentions "demographics are on our side" as if all you have to do is wait for a better future instead of fighting for it. It proves AIA right aboit neo liberalism for the weak ideological philosophy it is.
liberals say they have won the culture war but still lose elections left and right. Even amid what they deem to be a fascist republican government they still lose. With that you can come to two conclusions. Either American's are stupid and that will growing demographics you get an edge, or that the party is simply incompetent and not attuned to the wide girth of American issues. You can convince yourself that they're "voting against their interests" but at the end of the day, if what you're selling is supposedly better why aren't they buying it? But instead of trying to fight and look for better ways to express your argument ("maybe we're too abrasive?", "maybe we're too judging?") they point fingers saying that people don't know what's good for them and that demographics will be there in time.
But if you continue to show bad leadership that results in loss after loss, will they?
You can come to two conclusions: neo liberalism is philosophically and inherently weak or the current leadership that represents the philosophy is weak.
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And the kicker is they vote chuck fucking Schumer as senate minority leader so the answer turns out to be both :neogaf
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Nothing of value will come to adding to this shit-thread.
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You can't talk down to people when you're full of shit yourselves. The public figured that out abot the left, as well as much of the media, and that's what they need to address. For all of Hildog's faults, she could have won if the Dems acted as honorable and good as they think they are. Instead, they called a large part of the country deplorable, disgusting people while sucking banker dick, getting caught having the press do their bidding, and twice ruckfucked over while covering for Mister Dick Pix.
http://theslot.jezebel.com/andrew-cuomo-is-a-fucking-snake-1790712955
:teehee
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Nothing of value will come to adding to this shit-thread.
Jesus, Brandknew is right.
Nevermind, himu. You're right and if we just punch some hippies once in a while to appease middle America, they'll vote for Democrats all of a sudden.
I know, why don't we throw black transgender people under the bus first? That's a particular convergence of demographics that the people you seem to be concerned about all of a sudden REALLY hate, so if we stop caring about them and show real merikans that we hate the weirdos too, they'll wake up and vote for Dems.
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there was no way to prevent her winning the nom.
I dunno about that. Surely someone (not Sanders) would've taken Sander's policies ran with them and Clinton's "I can take care of you" for gays and other minorities (without Clinton's baggage on that, see: Superpredators) AND not have the baggage of either (Communist/history respectively)?
There was no way of preventing her from being the nominee because her strength prior to the beginning of the primaries was unprecedented.
She entered 2015 polling at about 67% vs the hypothetical Democratic field. That's unheard of. Kerry entered 2003 polling below 30%. Clinton was below 40% in 2007. A very strong front-runner gets between 30-40% in pre-primary polls. 67% in pre-primary polls is such a dominant position that the primary itself is thought of as a formality, which it was. Incumbents might not poll that high some of the time.
Sanders deserves credit for getting from 10% to over 40%, but no one had a chance.
Sure a great candidate could have beaten her (see: 08). But there was no one like that this time.
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There’s an awful habit some people of making light of others for expressing emotions. Not just on The Bore, but all over the internet. It sucks. There’s a lot of despair in the US right now and there totally should be. The election was less than 2 months ago. I understand why people are worried. Trump’s presidency is going to be harmful for most us. Where I disagree with the thread linked in the OP, and what I’ve seen through the lens of my own social media bubble is the suggestion that our situation is completely hopeless. The far right is not “basically unstoppable”, but it’ll continue to gain momentum if you don’t vote, if you don’t demand more from your candidates, or if you don’t vote locally.
The sky isn’t falling. Things can and will turn around eventually. It doesn’t take an expert to see that Trump’s presidency will be marked by gross incompetence, deception, and bigotry. He’s starting his term with the lowest approval rating of any incoming president in decades (by a pretty wide margin too (http://www.businessinsider.com/trumps-approval-rating-lowest-of-last-3-incoming-presidents-2016-12)). I wouldn’t be surprised if he has a tough time getting re-elected in 2020. Even if he does win again that’s still no reason to give up.
I’m personally very hopeful for the future. We’ve literally had slave owners in the White House before. The country’s least empowered kept pushing back and got us where we are today: a much more enlightened yet still cold and ugly society. I like that people are acknowledging that racism played a role in Trump’s election. Republicans have been courting the racist vote for a long ass time. The Republican candidate can usually count on them the same way Democrats can expect to win the black vote. Were Trump’s voters exclusively racist? Heck no, but he heavily relied on racism to win. Democrats can’t win with only the black vote, but they can usually expect it even if you’re Clinton and have made anti-black comments in the past.
As a liberal the way to respond isn’t “Hey everyone I know on Facebook, please unfriend me if you voted Trump,” but instead make the effort to have those uncomfortable conversations with your friends and relatives. Don’t wait until after the election to decide “Well, I’m not visiting my folks for Thanksgiving this year.” What you should be doing is showing up to dinner prepared to discuss why communities of color and LGBT people are terrified. Don’t do it just that one time of the year either. It has to be an ongoing discussion. They’ve had years for those views to ossify. They aren’t going to do a 180 in one weekend. For people of color, it is tiring and occasionally life threatening to be the one confronting racists about this stuff. We need our white liberal friends to talk to their parents, grandparents, aunts, and uncles even more. A lot of them are very poorly informed (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/12/18/a-new-poll-shows-an-astonishing-52-of-republicans-think-trump-won-the-popular-vote/?utm_term=.1f361b7cf3b4) and sadly are more likely to believe racism exists when they hear white people complaining about it. I don’t mean to suggest that we coddle racists, just that we can approach the problem from more than one angle.
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Nothing of value will come to adding to this shit-thread.
Jesus, Brandknew is right.
Nevermind, himu. You're right and if we just punch some hippies once in a while to appease middle America, they'll vote for Democrats all of a sudden.
Hillary lost due to blue wall states flipping. Appease middle America "all of a sudden?" Punching hippies? What are you talking about?
I know, why don't we throw black transgender people under the bus first? That's a particular convergence of demographics that the people you seem to be concerned about all of a sudden REALLY hate, so if we stop caring about them and show real merikans that we hate the weirdos too, they'll wake up and vote for Dems.
:confused
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ITT we pretend that some kind of liberal smugness even comes close to the seething hatred for liberals that gets jammed into conservative brains every day by their media sources.
Do you guys read conservative media at all? If you think liberals are abrasive, boy do I have some reading recommendations for you.
I do agree that "basket of deplorables" probably hurt Clinton about as much as "47%" hurt Romney.
I think both are ridiculous and unfortunately it's very easy to get caught into either side. I'm not sure what conservative attitudes have to do with this topic besides more pointless deflection however.
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So many words in this thread that I will never read
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So many words in this thread that I will never read
Better that way
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So many words in this thread that I will never read
would you like to discuss music instead. I'm posting underrated deep cuts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7srvA1V740
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We're at high tide panicking that the water will keep rising forever. These things have an ebb and flow. There will be pushback and things will change.
much deep so tide goes in wow :doge
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The same way they smothered and combated us. By smothering the conversation and removing their ability to perpetuate talking points.
Freedom of speech is a privilege.
Stronger forum vetting prior to being able to comment. Stronger forum monitoring for new users with a zero tolerance policy.
Monitoring behavior and posting frequencies to determine if things are consistently orchestrated to undermine a good thread or debate
An authoritative debate thread that doesnt accomodate perpetuating talking points. Using that data to build rules.
You can be anyone and create/bury any topic if you are clever or persistent enough.
Scale that to any medium that creates content. Be it a forum user, or journalist.
The fairness doctrine is also a good concept as long as it is backed with honest integrity that has a genuine social obligation to everyone.
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Bunch of figgurts around here. Do I go into your shitty threads and post lol, didn't read gifs?
This is actually a pretty important discussion to have.
It encapsulates the mindset I was talking about. Granted, I haven't done a good job by going "fucking liberals" but still. AIA is right.
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So himu hits full on t_d poster level by what, March at the latest?
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Bunch of figgurts around here. Do I go into your shitty threads and post lol, didn't read gifs?
This is actually a pretty important discussion to have.
It encapsulates the mindset I was talking about. Granted, I haven't done a good job by going "fucking liberals" but still. AIA is right.
AiA is right about pretty much only sports stuff, and not even always in that case.
I honestly have no idea what you're TRYING TO SAY with your walls of text.
That we shouldn't mention that everyone that voted for Trump is at least tacitly ok with a racist being President, if not just blatantly racist themselves? That it's ok for them to be racist if we're nicer to them they might vote for Dems? That Dems have done a shitty job trying to address the economic interests of the middle and lower middle class, especially whites in the rust belt, so it makes perfect sense to vote for someone that wants to cut taxes on rich people?
Seriously. THAFUQYOUTRYINTOSAY???
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So himu hits full on t_d poster level by what, March at the latest?
:lol
"You don't agree with us so must agree with...THEM!"
:lol
:rofl
:sabu
Liberal ideology really is looking weaker by the minute. Becoming an I is hilarious so far.
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Y'all just need to chill, even I special fellow out every once in awhile but everyone here is too reactionary and tapped in.
AiA came in and got y'all mad even though you know his shtick and shooed him off even though he's a relatively good poster otherwise. Then came very strong reactionary posts. Then came more posts following up the reactionary posts and riding the wave so they can drop some real dumb stuff. Then came the essay fight that, looking through a couple sentences, seems really not well-thought-out.
You just gotta tap out for a bit. For people who realize they're being reactionary and aggressive, how about you use that time to live in your headspace and know yourself as opposed to being extreme "liberal" or "anti-liberal" (or both) at a seconds notice. I've been at fault here a little bit, but just constantly posting essays about it with little introspection and whatever just makes y'all look like fools.
AiA is easily ignored. Far more inexplicable imo is QoI's reaction to the election.
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Maybe I'm missing where AiA's position is beyond "grow some balls lefties" and posting a link to a GAF thread in which he denigrates the humble and upstanding posters within?
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Maybe I'm missing where AiA's position is beyond "grow some balls lefties" and posting a link to a GAF thread in which he denigrates the humble and upstanding posters within?
Exactly. He has nothing to say, but his position is clear.
Conversely, QoI has everything to say but her position is... Jesus. I don't even know.
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So many words in this thread that I will never read
would you like to discuss music instead. I'm posting underrated deep cuts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7srvA1V740
Nah, no music... what this thread needs is some good ol fashioned FF rankings.
5 > 4 > 7 > 9 > 6 etc.
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back to back posts in that thread:
I assume you're referring to WWII? I don't know, though, who would actually be there to fight the rise? I mean, really, who major is left that's not caught up completely in this right wing rise? The US has fallen, the UK, Russia, a large part of Europe also has it on the rise like Poland, France and German (the latter two at this point I realize haven't fallen as of yet, but God, would anyone be surprised at this point?). Most of the major powers have either fallen to it or are in the process of fending it off. I mean, maybe the EU can hold together...? I really don't know how another major war would play out.
I think the problem you describe in the OP happens when we try to play the game that the far right plays. When we try to use buzz word talking points to go after 'enemies' - we just can't do it anywhere near as good as the right.
We shouldn't play the game like them. I think, like someone else mentioned, this is just a part of the ebb and flow, and this is an opportunity to take a look at what we've been doing as a socio-political group and think about what our strengths are and how we can convey our ideas through those strengths.
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Reading this thread
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Not even once.
ofc ::)
Stay ignant pussy liberals, lemme get some of that well thought out ish..
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Many of you acting exactly like what AiA and Himu are talking about. Maybe you should try reading.
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This is literally everything AiA said in this thread:
Good Christ I hope nobody in that thread ever obtains a leadership position. You're your own problem.
Utter and complete weakness.
"How can a cry and have everybody see me?"
Grow some balls, lefties. You needed to hear that.
Have a super day.
This was Himu's first extended post:
After losing an election for multiple reasons liberals have retreated and started to become absolutely puerile in their philosophy. I realized after the election that it showed how weak and infallible the state is if someone like Trump can be elected. Liberals refuse to take any part in accepting that our method of communication, talking down to people, arrogantly kicking people we don't agree with off our social media, blaming each and every thing except Clinton and her campaign for why the democrats lost the election. When I felt after the election I needed to buy a gun for self defense purposes similar "allies" attempted to throw me under the bus and classify me as stupid and anti-intellectual for wanting one.
With some self reflection after the election, the loss was deserved, the arrogance was real, and I've truly become to realize how weak neo liberalism truly is as a philosophy, that empathizes only with people they agree with, who so ostensibly think they have the answers for all people. We were temporary allies in the fight against Donald Trump but two weeks ago, because of what I saw in the minds and behavior of liberals I decided to end my relationship with the Democratic Party. Before the election I was more of a Marxist but more and more I am starting to relate to libertarian socialism of the Chomsky school, although I refuse to put all my eggs in one basket. Liberals are indeed ideologically weak but telling them to grow balls and stuff just doesn't make you look remotely good, especially since pointing fingers and laughing is what liberals do and you should be above it. Rather than descend into their tactics, rise above it, and fight it with argumentation.
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blaming each and every thing except Clinton and her campaign for why the democrats lost the election.
No one does this. She ran a poor campaign. She also got railroaded with the help of a complicit media, and completely fucked over twice by an FBI Director who abused his authority in July, and violated the Hatch Act in October. All of these things can be true.
Your statement here sounds like one of those fucktarded redditors that wants all Clinton supporters to apologize to them for not voting Bernie in the primary.
A lot of people blame everything but how Clinton ran her campaign sadly.
"Should've picked Bernie!"
"Half the country is racist!"
Etc etc
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Soundgarden :trash
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It's worth noting that in our system the major parties are not primarily ideological but oppositional.
The Democratic Party is battered pretty badly, but this says nothing about liberalism however you want to define liberalism. It says nothing about the left, socialism, conservatism, Tory Democracy, etc. A lot of support the Democratic Party receives is because they're not the Republican Party.
Especially in an election where the victor, the standard bearer for the winning coalition, is an ideological hobgoblin like Donald Trump.
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blaming each and every thing except Clinton and her campaign for why the democrats lost the election.
No one does this. She ran a poor campaign. She also got railroaded with the help of a complicit media, and completely fucked over twice by an FBI Director who abused his authority in July, and violated the Hatch Act in October. All of these things can be true.
Your statement here sounds like one of those fucktarded redditors that wants all Clinton supporters to apologize to them for not voting Bernie in the primary.
A lot of people blame everything but how Clinton ran her campaign sadly.
"Should've picked Bernie!"
"Half the country is racist!"
Etc etc
And then other people wanna ignore that Comey torpedoed her and that all of the late breaking undecideds broke for Trump and GEE I WONDER WHY THIS COULD BE.
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It's worth noting that in our system the major parties are not primarily ideological but oppositional.
The Democratic Party is battered pretty badly, but this says nothing about liberalism however you want to define liberalism. It says nothing about the left, socialism, conservatism, Tory Democracy, etc. A lot of support the Democratic Party receives is because they're not the Republican Party.
Especially in an election where the victor, the standard bearer for the winning coalition, is an ideological hobgoblin like Donald Trump.
This is exactly what makes them weak: they have no ideology, just opposition. I'm sorry but that's not good enough. Not anymore. How can you really claim to be better when you can't even define what you believe in besides that it isn't what "those" people believe in? Your statement cuts into why I went independent and this is true for Republican's as well.
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The fact that the left has recently lacked actual liberal values is sort of the point.
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Mass politics isn't ideological. Especially in the United States at the Presidential level.
134.8 million people voted for the four largest parties at the top of the ticket, only one of them approaches anything resembling a truly ideological party. And that party nearly felt it was compromising too much with their candidates. And still got most of its largest vote share/count ever because of who their Presidential candidate wasn't more than it had support for its ideological stances.
The fact that the left has recently lacked actual liberal values is sort of the point.
This is more a matter of how we're defining "the left" and "liberal" than anything.
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Neither party is #5. Bush didn't exactly limit Gov and neither is preventing corp shenanigans with their Gov power.
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What's the ideological hook there though? And how does it apply to the rest of the platform?
Just take the first one, as you yourself noted, to quote Benjamin King, that's not a plan, that's a goal.
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Democrats preventing corporate shenanigans.
:beli
I'll give you they're consistent on taxes. I feel like that's the one thing they're consistent on.
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It's worth noting that in our system the major parties are not primarily ideological but oppositional.
The Democratic Party is battered pretty badly, but this says nothing about liberalism however you want to define liberalism. It says nothing about the left, socialism, conservatism, Tory Democracy, etc. A lot of support the Democratic Party receives is because they're not the Republican Party.
Especially in an election where the victor, the standard bearer for the winning coalition, is an ideological hobgoblin like Donald Trump.
This is exactly what makes them weak: they have no ideology, just opposition. I'm sorry but that's not good enough. Not anymore. How can you really claim to be better when you can't even define what you believe in besides that it isn't what "those" people believe in? Your statement cuts into why I went independent and this is true for Republican's as well.
WELL GEE IT SEEMS TO HAVE WORKED OUT OK FOR THE REPUBLICANS
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I'd argue the net neutrality regulations were a pretty big measure aimed at preventing corporate shenanigans. That's getting undone this year.
Also, even the watered down, shitty final versions of Dodd-Frank and the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau were something, and they're also going to get taken behind the barn and ol' yellered.
BUT DEMS DON'T CARE ABOUT THE MIDDLE AND WORKING CLASSES AND HAVE NO IDEAS TO HELP THEM, IT'S NO WONDER THEY LOST RACISM HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT
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I don't want to blame Hillary, Russia, or the FBI or anybody. Democrats have been too relaxed and let gerrymandering/voter suppression kill their votes while Republicans got a big black thorn up their no-college-or-job-having asses enough to vote for what will be the most disgusting president in a century.
That happened. Get over it. Now do something.
With just a bit of luck, he'll be a colossal failure of a president without breaking the law so it won't be Penceolicy getting passed until 2020. Our shit got fucked up so quickly get checked for STDs (unlike some people) and do some actual things about it.
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That happened. Get over it. Now do something.
With just a bit of luck, he'll be a colossal failure of a president without breaking the law so it won't be Penceolicy getting passed until 2020. Our shit got fucked up so quickly get checked for STDs (unlike some people) and do some actual things about it.
typical lieberal, telling everybody what to do
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I'd argue the net neutrality regulations were a pretty big measure aimed at preventing corporate shenanigans. That's getting undone this year.
And yet corporations funded 60 million towards the DNC?
The TPP being an actual line of support in the party platform?
The same party that house democrats supported a Wall Street deregulation bill in September 2014, and later opposed it when the same thing came up to vote lead by republican's?
Wouldn't be shocked if Democrats' stance on net neutrality is because it runs directly opposed to the republican stance. Which isn't a real stance and is just more political theater done to oppose the other party. If all you ever hope to do is oppose the other party, there's an opportunity to be highly wrong on an issue just because it runs oppositional down the party line.
Reading your post and then going back to this (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/04/us/politics/hillary-clinton-fundraising.amp.html?client=safari) is highly puzzling.
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A good chunk of that $85 million they raised for the DNC came from the taxpayer and Comcast (http://www.phillymag.com/news/2016/09/28/who-funded-the-democratic-national-convention/), the new owner of the building though.
the Pennsylvania Department of Community and Economic Development gave $10 million.
The City of Philadelphia donated more than $8.6 million through a $43 million U.S. Department of Justice grant that helped cover security costs for the event, city spokeswoman Lauren Hitt told NewsWorks.
Comcast made the third biggest donation of more than $5.6 million, most of which consisted of in-kind contributions of services, staff and advertising as well as reconstruction on the Wells Fargo Center, which the company recently acquired. The corporation’s executive vice president, David Cohen, served as an adviser to the host committee. And Independence Blue Cross, of which host committee finance chairman Daniel Hilferty is president and CEO, gave more than $1.5 million.
Other donors include the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers (which gave more than $2 million), PECO ($1.7 million) and Facebook ($1.4 million).
Former Gov. Ed Rendell told NewsWorks that this will be the first Democratic convention in 32 years to not leave a deficit. Rendell also told NewsWorks that the committee is not yet sure how much money is left over nor how the money will be used.
Plus, the committee is required to reimburse a $5 million loan from the Philadelphia Industrial Development Corporation by the end of the year, and Mayor Jim Kenney’s office told the publication that city taxpayers will be reimbursed for roughly $520,000.
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This thread should come with a trigger warning.
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Trigger warnings are on your team
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this thread pwns all the people who thought the Hope/Snow arc from FF13 was forced and contrived! Toriyama vindicated AGAIN! :smug