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General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: Tasty on January 19, 2017, 12:36:41 PM

Title: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: Tasty on January 19, 2017, 12:36:41 PM
Next Major Tournament: BEAST 7 (February 17th-19th)





(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lx2039oE3K1qemz6qo1_500.gif)

Since bork's banned me from the fighting game thread I figured I'd start my own for the fighting game I care the most about, Super Smash Smash Bros.

Leaked footage of Smash for the Nintendo Switch:

(http://i.imgur.com/Y0tPm9v.gif)

Anyways GENESIS 4 is tomorrow until Sunday and they just confirmed Nintendo as a sponsor! GENESIS is second only to EVO in terms of Smash player count, and is the largest Smash-centered tourney following Apex's downfall.

https://twitter.com/Genesis_Smash/status/821883696655405056
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: bork on January 19, 2017, 02:19:16 PM

Since bork's banned me from the fighting game thread

:huh
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: Tasty on January 19, 2017, 02:39:17 PM

Since bork's banned me from the fighting game thread

:huh

:confused

Andy is now officially banned from all fighting game discussion threads.  ;)

Now stop derailing my thread. :dice
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: Huff on January 19, 2017, 02:56:06 PM
Played a lot of 64 in college until the owner smashed the console with a sledgehammer because we were playing instead of socializing at a party pre game
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: Raist on January 19, 2017, 02:59:59 PM
I think the point was to ban Smash talk from the FIGHTING GAME thread.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: Tasty on January 19, 2017, 03:03:55 PM
Played a lot of 64 in college until the owner smashed the console with a sledgehammer because we were playing instead of socializing at a party pre game

So you're saying don't bring my Switch with Smash to a pre-game party?

(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/184/905/026.jpg)

Fuck.

I think the point was to ban Smash talk from the FIGHTING GAME thread.

Mission accomplished! Leave us Smash lovers in peace.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: Huff on January 19, 2017, 03:25:04 PM
Just hide all sledgehammers
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: bork on January 19, 2017, 03:28:12 PM
Andy is now officially banned from all fighting game discussion threads.  ;)

Now stop derailing my thread. :dice

Please tell me you're joking because that was an obvious joke! :lol
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: Positive Touch on January 19, 2017, 03:32:35 PM
it's there a list of what nintendo games haven't been included in smash yet? I'm guessing it has to be pretty small.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: Tasty on January 19, 2017, 03:53:04 PM
Andy is now officially banned from all fighting game discussion threads.  ;)

Now stop derailing my thread. :dice

Please tell me you're joking because that was an obvious joke! :lol

But it's "official!" ;)

It's a joke, but Smash clearly isn't very welcome in that thread anyways so a separate thread is probs for the best. :)

it's there a list of what nintendo games haven't been included in smash yet? I'm guessing it has to be pretty small.

Included in what way? Even shit like Stafy, Devil World, Murasame, Brain Training and "Kaeru no Tame ni Kane wa Naru" got Assist Trophies.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: bork on January 19, 2017, 04:08:04 PM
Does anyone here still play Smash?

I'd be up for some games sometime. 

...Can we even do private matches on Wii U?  I can't remember.  :lol
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: Tasty on January 19, 2017, 04:10:43 PM
Does anyone here still play Smash?

I'd be up for some games sometime. 

...Can we even do private matches on Wii U?  I can't remember.  :lol

Yes, of course. :comeon

Gotta be on the friends list though. They added an online tourney feature after launch but I haven't messed with it.

And I haven't played in a while, not counting random 3DS sessions when the mood strikes.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: zomgee on January 19, 2017, 04:15:06 PM
I think the point was to ban Smash talk from the FIGHTING GAME thread.

why
would
smash
be
in
the
fighting
game
thread
am
i
right
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: Tasty on January 19, 2017, 04:19:35 PM
I think the point was to ban Smash talk from the FIGHTING GAME thread.

why
would
smash
be
in
the
fighting
game
thread
am
i
right

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(http://i.imgur.com/P9lOhQd.gif)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: bork on January 19, 2017, 07:35:46 PM
Does anyone here still play Smash?

I'd be up for some games sometime. 

...Can we even do private matches on Wii U?  I can't remember.  :lol

Yes, of course. :comeon

Gotta be on the friends list though. They added an online tourney feature after launch but I haven't messed with it.

And I haven't played in a while, not counting random 3DS sessions when the mood strikes.

You say :comeon, but I remember trying to play co-op with a friend online against others and the game wouldn't allow for it.  We ended up finding that if we both tried searching for a match at the exact same time, it would put us in the same game, but not always on the same team.   :lol  It lacks certain features that are available on other games on other platforms.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: Tasty on January 19, 2017, 07:39:27 PM
That's you + one friend + randoms, yeah that's more complicated than just playing your friends list, lol.

Also I think two people locally can go online together.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: Tasty on January 21, 2017, 12:18:33 AM
G4 is live! https://www.twitch.tv/evenmatchupgaming

Some great Smash 4 play happening now.

https://twitter.com/smashgg/status/822655451447906313
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: Tasty on January 21, 2017, 12:25:39 AM
Smash 4 Crew Battle happening now! USA vs. Japan. USA is down by two stocks at time of post.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2qwzvtXUAAP3nW.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: Tasty on January 21, 2017, 07:46:01 PM
Zero lost to a Japanese Duck Hunt player.  :o (https://clips.twitch.tv/evenmatchupgaming/FaithfulSharkKappa) This knocks him to loser's bracket of pools. He gonna have to claw his way back tonight.

Visual representation:

(http://puu.sh/tv0jI/583297d75e.jpg)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: Tasty on January 21, 2017, 07:49:23 PM
Tonight at 9pm EST:

Melee Singles - Top 64 up to Top 8 - http://twitch.tv/vgbootcamp
Sm4sh Singles - Top 32 up to Top 8 - http://twitch.tv/evenmatchupgaming
Street Fighter V - Top 8 - http://twitch.tv/teamsp00ky
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4 at 9pm Eastern]
Post by: thisismyusername on January 21, 2017, 08:13:16 PM
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Tonight at 9pm EST:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pubd-spHN-0

s/fetch/Smash thread

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Shit posting in an epic lonely thread.

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I still love you, though.  :-*
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4 at 9pm Eastern]
Post by: Tasty on January 21, 2017, 08:23:23 PM
Firs time I've seen Elegant's Luigi. He just fucking murdered a Bayo player 2-0.  :o
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [GENESIS 4 LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 21, 2017, 10:57:28 PM
Start of Elegant vs. Mkleo Game 2:

(http://i.imgur.com/xgz9nkR.gif)

Clip coming soon, but whew. :whew Makes me want to switch back to my old standby Luigi full time. These combos.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 21, 2017, 11:06:55 PM
https://twitter.com/CEOJebailey/status/822283818652401664

https://twitter.com/CEOJebailey/status/822286313017610240

:leon
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 21, 2017, 11:38:23 PM
OH MY FUCKING GOD I hate Sonic players, Jesus Christ Dabuz

I was thinking during this set "Hmm maybe he's changed, I like Komo but maybe he's not the best to root for..." And then Dabuz goes and chooses Sonic and fucking stalls the entire match for time. Fuck. Garbage character and garbage player.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 22, 2017, 01:49:19 AM
Zero's crawled back to Top 8! I think. Brackets are hard.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Finales @ 3pm/7pm EST]
Post by: nachobro on January 22, 2017, 10:24:31 AM
Are Cloud and Bayo really good? Saw a ton of people using them on stream
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Finales @ 3pm/7pm EST]
Post by: Tasty on January 22, 2017, 12:12:00 PM
Are Cloud and Bayo really good? Saw a ton of people using them on stream

Yes. Bayo was Diddy v1 levels of broken until the latest patch, which nerfed her pretty hard (but she's still really good, as you saw.)

Cloud's always been really good and he's second on the current tier list IIRC.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Smash 4 Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 22, 2017, 06:45:47 PM
Smash 4 finals now! https://www.twitch.tv/vgbootcamp

Brackets: https://smash.gg/tournament/genesis-4/events/wii-u-singles/brackets/109608
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Smash 4 Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 22, 2017, 07:05:57 PM
Zero just straight up MURDERED Zack, two-stocking him twice and taking the set 3-0. Crazy.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Smash 4 Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: nachobro on January 22, 2017, 07:11:59 PM
surprised that captainzack isn't sponsored. he's damn good. well, before his match against zero :doge
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Smash 4 Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 22, 2017, 07:14:26 PM
Now ZERO's the one getting REKT by Ally!

Edit- Zero switched from Diddy to Cloud and takes one over Ally!

surprised that captainzack isn't sponsored. he's damn good. well, before his match against zero :doge

Yeah that might have dulled his sponsorship chances, lol.

Took Zero like two years before he decided on a good sponsor. Sometimes you can afford to be picky.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Smash 4 Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: nachobro on January 22, 2017, 07:16:04 PM
was rooting against zero before he switched to cloud :lol
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Smash 4 Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: Beezy on January 22, 2017, 07:16:34 PM
Zero's switch to Cloud paid off. :leon
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Smash 4 Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 22, 2017, 07:16:54 PM
was rooting against zero before he switched to cloud :lol

Why? Cloud fatigue? Diddy is higher tier technically. :lol

Zero's switch to Cloud paid off. :leon

EVERYONE has probably studied Zero's Diddy so it's probably a risky proposition in even matchups.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Smash 4 Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: nachobro on January 22, 2017, 07:19:47 PM
nah i'm pro-cloud, bayonetta, and robin. saw like one robin yesterday though :lol
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Smash 4 Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 22, 2017, 07:22:23 PM
LOL the stream showed 2-1 for Zero when the match started. :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

nah i'm pro-cloud, bayonetta, and robin. saw like one robin yesterday though :lol

I'm not really pro anything at the high levels (aside from my mains, which rarely make an appearance), but I am anti-Rosalina and Sonic. :lol

Oddly I haven't seen Ryu at all this tourney despite him being supposedly great. Seen way more Mewtwo and Bayo.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Smash 4 Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: nachobro on January 22, 2017, 07:24:14 PM
definitely find sonic obnoxious to both watch and play so i'm with with you there

two stocks makes this game so much more interesting to watch than melee. melee is so sloooooooow
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Smash 4 Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 22, 2017, 07:25:08 PM
Ally STRIKES BACK! Two stocks Zero in game four! It's an even set!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Smash 4 Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 22, 2017, 07:26:47 PM
definitely find sonic obnoxious to both watch and play so i'm with with you there

two stocks makes this game so much more interesting to watch than melee. melee is so sloooooooow

I was NOT a fan of two stocks becoming the standard at first, and while I still think they can dull or preempt some epic comebacks (which is where the hypest Melee matches are), it does work really well for the speed of the game. Rage means if you're on a tear you can two stock someone fairly quickly I think if you get a good opening.

As for Melee, four stocks there is completely different because the game itself is faster. I think overall match time is equivalent to Smash 4 two stock.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Smash 4 Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: nachobro on January 22, 2017, 07:28:38 PM
goddaaaaaaamn bodied son :lol
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Smash 4 Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 22, 2017, 07:29:03 PM
HOLY SHIT ZERO LOSES LOSER'S FINALS DUE TO WHIFFING A RECOVERY AT THE LAST SECOND

HOLY SHIT

UPSETTTTTTTT

N U M B E R T H R E E B O Y S
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Smash 4 Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: nachobro on January 22, 2017, 07:31:22 PM
just got a new pc desk and watching the stream there, having my amiibos here now makes me realize nintendo needs to drop those bayo and cloud amiibos already :maf

(http://i.imgur.com/OTGh2sW.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Smash 4 Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 22, 2017, 07:31:24 PM
What a comeback for Ally.

Gets a two-stock win against Zero.

Then loses two games in a row, to come back and finish Zero off with that same counterpick character he kept losing to. Must have been so satisfying.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Smash 4 Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 22, 2017, 07:33:06 PM
Looks like Grand Finals is a repeat of the Winner's Finals matchup.

Canada vs. Mexico!

Let's see what Ally has to counter Mkleo this time.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Smash 4 Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: nachobro on January 22, 2017, 07:34:17 PM
oh wow he's on echo fox. they just snagged all kinds of people recently
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Smash 4 Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 22, 2017, 07:44:12 PM
This is looking good for Ally... /comentatorscurse
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Smash 4 Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 22, 2017, 07:46:30 PM
THAT CLEAN KILL
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Smash 4 Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 22, 2017, 07:48:53 PM
Crazy to think if the bracket resets we'll have gotten between 11 and 14 matches of these two in the Top 3.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Smash 4 Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 22, 2017, 07:50:00 PM
I know it's just because he's insanely good but Leo is doing a crazy good job of making Marth look super viable here. Always wanted to learn the character.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Smash 4 Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: nachobro on January 22, 2017, 07:51:08 PM
damn all tied up!

smash 4 mario seems so much better and more fun than melee mario, definitely good changes made to him. though i guess dr mario basically the mario from melee?

I know it's just because he's insanely good but Leo is doing a crazy good job of making Marth look super viable here. Always wanted to learn the character.
so marth is gdlk in melee and 4? is it just inherent to the character because of his crazy reach with the sword or what?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Smash 4 Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 22, 2017, 07:53:12 PM
damn all tied up!

smash 4 mario seems so much better and more fun than melee mario, definitely good changes made to him. though i guess dr mario basically the mario from melee?

That's what I've heard. Lacks the Fludd and he's too slow to make use of Mario's combos (which is basically why normal Mario is viable at all.)

I fear playing good Marios as Villager because he just fucking combo locks you and 0-deaths you in like five seconds. :lol
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Smash 4 Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 22, 2017, 07:54:56 PM
MKLEO!!!!!!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Smash 4 Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: nachobro on January 22, 2017, 07:57:41 PM
this music :lol
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Smash 4 Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 22, 2017, 07:58:12 PM
Oh my god fuck this awful jazz shit!

so marth is gdlk in melee and 4? is it just inherent to the character because of his crazy reach with the sword or what?

Marth used to be garbo in Smash 4 until a couple recent patches buffed him up. v1 Smash 4 basically carried his Brawl self over which was garbo.

With Marth it all depends on the reach of his sword and how often it can be interrupted. The patch buffs jumped him up a whole bunch of spots.

Marth himself is really only considered "pretty good." Considered 19th in the current tier list (C-tier.) Like I said Leo just makes him look ridic.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 @ 9pm EST]
Post by: Tasty on January 22, 2017, 08:06:36 PM
It really, really warms the cockles of my heart to see so many Nintendo ads during this thing. Really smart on their part to pimp the Switch hard during this, but they've sometimes been not smart about this stuff. Really encouraging to see Nintendo as a sponsor so often.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 @ 9pm EST]
Post by: nachobro on January 22, 2017, 08:07:29 PM
makes me even more surprised they aren't porting smash in any way to switch, or haven't announced a port
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 @ 9pm EST]
Post by: Tasty on January 22, 2017, 08:09:22 PM
makes me even more surprised they aren't porting smash in any way to switch, or haven't announced a port

It's gotta be coming.

I suspect the hold-up is they're scrambling to get a v1 for the Switch OS out the door and they don't have USB drivers working yet, which means no GC adapter.

Also hopefully they're bringing back fucking Ice Climbers now that they don't have to worry about the fucking 3DS version nonsense.

And Snake. (Would be great if there was an MGSV alt costume!)

My dream is they announce Smash 4 Switch after Evo grand finals. COULD YOU IMAGINE THE HYPE
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 @ 9pm EST]
Post by: Beezy on January 22, 2017, 08:13:10 PM
Marth was godly in Melee. Brawl ruined him which forced me to find a new main.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 @ 9pm EST]
Post by: Tasty on January 22, 2017, 08:29:13 PM
Link then, Link Now, Link forever

 :gurl

Toon Link :rejoice

(http://33.media.tumblr.com/a7648861d9088741ad59ff5243e4cb40/tumblr_nrrztn65Pq1sowwnoo1_500.gif)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 @ 9pm EST]
Post by: nachobro on January 22, 2017, 08:38:08 PM
BOTW Link in Smash 5 :lawd
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 @ 9pm EST]
Post by: Tasty on January 22, 2017, 08:54:52 PM
Maybe in Smash 5 Link won't be total fucking garbage for once.

Not holding my breath (:teehee) though.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 @ 9pm EST]
Post by: Tasty on January 22, 2017, 09:38:56 PM
Doubles :-\

It looks fun but it's so fast I can't keep up, lol.

Crazy seeing 3/4 of the players are Swedish.

 LE F F E N B O Y S
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 @ 9pm EST]
Post by: Tasty on January 22, 2017, 09:46:14 PM
Meh, I give a fuck about tier lists. Beating Fox and Falco players in Melee with Link brings the salt :lawd

Wow you beat your brother, good job :ufup
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 @ 9pm EST]
Post by: Tasty on January 22, 2017, 10:09:10 PM
Hbox vs. Westballz up next :lawd

H B O X N A T I O N
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 22, 2017, 10:33:19 PM
:rejoice HBOX DOMINATION :rejoice

Best player.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 22, 2017, 10:39:25 PM
Leffen :rejoice

Axe :kobeyuck That stupid dorky flag cape. :snoop

If either Leffen or Hbox won I'd be thrilled.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 22, 2017, 10:46:35 PM
Thinking of a Leffen vs. Plup rematch... Those two got history. :leon
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 22, 2017, 10:48:54 PM
Axe just got (http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/937/644/1b4.gif)


Leffen playing EXTRA CRISPY tonight brehs!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 22, 2017, 10:50:26 PM
:rejoice Mew2king :rejoice
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 22, 2017, 10:55:37 PM
I always love watching M2K play. When he's on, he's fucking ON and can 0-death almost anyone. Crazy play.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 22, 2017, 10:58:02 PM
Latest drama is that Dabuz vs. ZeRo was played with knockback on 0.9.

I don't mind though, cause fuck Dabuz. That's fucking karma for timing out with Sonic.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 22, 2017, 11:35:52 PM
Scar and Toph on commentary :rejoice
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: nachobro on January 22, 2017, 11:43:35 PM
melee still going? i thought you said it wasn't slow :doge
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 22, 2017, 11:54:07 PM
Started late... due to Melee Doubles. :lol Also I think Smash 4 ran over a little.

Never really liked Mango but I respected his skills. Hope Leffen takes this.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: nachobro on January 23, 2017, 12:01:10 AM
ah ok, just tuned back in. any peach still in?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 23, 2017, 12:02:13 AM
ah ok, just tuned back in. any peach still in?

Yup Armada beat Mango and will face Mew2king (Sheik) in Winner's Finals.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: nachobro on January 23, 2017, 12:06:11 AM
this commentary wtf :rofl
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 23, 2017, 12:08:09 AM
Holy shit that last fucking game  :o :o :o :o :o

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 23, 2017, 12:08:25 AM
this commentary wtf :rofl

Toph and Scar are the best!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: nachobro on January 23, 2017, 12:08:32 AM
that ending goddamn

edit: clearly my stream is behind lol. gonna switch to streamlink, twitch site is the worst
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 23, 2017, 12:09:40 AM
that ending goddamn

edit: clearly my stream is behind lol. gonna switch to streamlink, twitch site is the worst

Feel bad for Leffen but that comeback by Mango was legit. Just hope he doesn't take the tourney.

Knock him out hbox!!! :punch
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: nachobro on January 23, 2017, 12:14:19 AM
m2k is a weird dude. heard some weird stories about that dude about him coming here for an event from the the smash folks here
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 23, 2017, 12:15:50 AM
He's definitely the weirdest high-level Smash player.

He's a good dude overall I think. Just has some issues.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: nachobro on January 23, 2017, 12:19:12 AM
peach pls :shaq2
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 23, 2017, 12:20:31 AM
peach pls :shaq2

Sorry breh. Armada's won Evo and M2K hasn't, but M2K on a good day is just a goddamn wall.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 23, 2017, 12:23:07 AM
How crazy would it be if Marth won both Melee and Smash 4? :lol
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 23, 2017, 12:23:43 AM
"Killzone... that's a movie, right?"

"I think so."

SONY FANS TRIGGERED
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: nachobro on January 23, 2017, 12:24:33 AM
 :gladbron
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 23, 2017, 12:25:00 AM
Clutch save. Peach's items are really spicing these matches up.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 23, 2017, 12:29:30 AM
Armada was pulling some hella unsafe shit there, and you can't do that with M2K. :lol
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 23, 2017, 12:31:28 AM
This tourney is Gods-only now boys. Only one missing is PPMD, but he's retired.

Armada
M2K
Mang0
Hbox

:lawd This level of play.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: nachobro on January 23, 2017, 12:36:15 AM
armada :obama that solid ending
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 23, 2017, 12:36:29 AM
Fucking commentator's curse. :lol

If he loses this I'm gonna flip my shit haha, after all that shit they said about him.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: nachobro on January 23, 2017, 12:40:23 AM
fantastic set :whew peach stays alive!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 23, 2017, 12:40:49 AM
:goty

Time for a loser's run. He can still take this. :obama
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 23, 2017, 12:45:42 AM
🙌 HBOX 🙌 HBOX 🙌 HBOX 🙌 HBOX 🙌 HBOX 🙌 HBOX 🙌 HBOX 🙌 HBOX 🙌 HBOX 🙌 HBOX 🙌
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 23, 2017, 12:48:43 AM
Holy fuck Mango coming back from 4-1 to take the game. :whew
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: nachobro on January 23, 2017, 12:55:40 AM
GODDAMN
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 23, 2017, 01:00:26 AM
Hbox being so sloppy. Brehhhhhh :-\
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 23, 2017, 01:01:43 AM
RIP

M2K you're my only hope. :goty
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: nachobro on January 23, 2017, 01:04:22 AM
peach gonna win :rejoice
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 23, 2017, 01:10:29 AM
peach gonna win :rejoice

Don't sleep on the kid. :ufup

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Basically means never count Mango out. I don't like the dude but he can be clutch.

That said I'd prefer Armada to win.
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 23, 2017, 01:19:37 AM
RIP

I guess I'll root for Mango  :idont
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: nachobro on January 23, 2017, 01:30:28 AM
 :rejoice :rejoice :rejoice
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: nachobro on January 23, 2017, 01:36:30 AM
(http://33.media.tumblr.com/44f09423327031e4d757a8c71e7e712e/tumblr_nian01HSWk1ts7zcto3_500.gif)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 23, 2017, 01:37:24 AM
:obama

Glad Mango was slayed even with all his plot armor. Was an extra clean set too, no ambiguousness on who the better player is at all.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: Tasty on January 23, 2017, 01:38:51 AM
Wow, this was Armada's third Genesis win in a row.  :o Crazy impressive stuff.

Edit- Also Mango's third time in 2nd. :lol
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears [Genesis 4: Melee Top 8 LIVE!]
Post by: nachobro on January 23, 2017, 01:38:53 AM
dat scandinavian efficiency :obama
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: Tasty on January 23, 2017, 01:41:59 AM
Why is this music so much better than the Wii U awards? :lol
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: nachobro on January 23, 2017, 01:42:33 AM
was just about to say the same thing, no jazz mess for melee
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: nachobro on January 23, 2017, 01:44:19 AM
dat naito move from mango on the medal haha

(http://i.imgur.com/iDrk2hO.gif)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: Tasty on January 23, 2017, 01:46:50 AM
This was fun! Lots of good sets and high-level play.

BEAST 7 is the next major I think, February 17-19.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: nachobro on January 23, 2017, 01:49:51 AM
yeah that was fun. don't usually watch much smash outside of evo but i'll probably catch at least top 8 from the next event
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: nachobro on January 23, 2017, 02:08:58 AM
https://twitter.com/lolm2k :lol
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: Tasty on January 23, 2017, 02:23:32 AM
Yup, good old meme. :lol
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: curly on January 23, 2017, 02:32:48 AM
Man...there's only so many times I can get hyped about Mango/Armada.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: Tasty on January 23, 2017, 02:38:52 AM
Man...there's only so many times I can get hyped about Mango/Armada.

I think this Grand Finals proved the hype is dead. Clean 3-0. The rivalry is over.

M2K or Leffen in that spot would have been sooooo much more interesting.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: Tasty on January 23, 2017, 07:35:04 PM
Some more Kotaku articles covering Genesis 4:

"Smash Bros. Players Infuriated Over Surprise Setting Tweak At Big Tournament" (http://kotaku.com/smash-bros-players-infuriated-over-surprise-rule-tweak-1791520789)

Sucks most for Komokori and I sympathize, but the lack of handshake is... not good.



"Smash Bros. Match From Weekend's Tournament Is Some Epic Anime Shit" (http://kotaku.com/smash-bros-match-from-weekends-tournament-is-some-epic-1791526011)

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--kRQaV--6--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/vatazicapyjaltc2njp7.gif)

Top comment:

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Wow. I don’t really follow smash competitively. But, those that say this isn’t a “Fighting Game” couldn’t be more wrong. This was extremely exciting to watch, and the technical nuisance in each and every one of those moves is insane. I’m a big fan of SF and the reads and execution were every bit as difficult of what I see from the top-tier guys on that scene.

:jawalrus
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: a slime appears on January 24, 2017, 09:19:38 AM
I don't get why people are weirdos over calling Smash a fighting game.

Also isn't it the largest fighting game community in the world? I see competitions for that shit at practically all non-industry game conventions.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: bork on January 24, 2017, 09:41:14 AM
Is that even a thing anymore?  I never see anyone (seriously) talk about it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: Rufus on January 24, 2017, 10:06:13 AM
It's a semantic argument stemming from historical baggage, as far as I can tell. People opposed to it don't want it called a fighting games because to them, that describes games in the Street Fighter II mould. The same way that JRPG implies more than just being a Japanese-made RPG (although I would prefer that definition myself). Even worse, Adventure and Action-Adventure, which sound incredibly broad, but actually mean something fairly specific.
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And fuck anyone who calls Zelda games RPGs.
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Video game genres are a complete mess. Strategy genres might be in the best places, 4X notwithstanding.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: bork on January 24, 2017, 10:08:13 AM
Yeah, I know all that.  I'm saying that I don't see the "Smash is not a fighting game" comments anymore.  For a few years, now, in fact.  It being at Evo seems to have shut a lot of idiots up.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: Rufus on January 24, 2017, 10:15:52 AM
This was meant as a reply to Slime, but I was too slow. :stahp
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: bork on January 24, 2017, 10:18:27 AM
This was meant as a reply to Slime, but I was too slow. :stahp

:dead
:stahp
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: Tasty on January 24, 2017, 11:27:24 AM
I mean this is a Kotaku comment who admits he's out of the loop, I wouldn't read too much into it. It was just interesting to see what a competitive Smash virgin thought of such high level play. :P
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: bork on January 24, 2017, 12:21:56 PM
Yeah, I mean, there's clearly a high level of execution needed, but it still looks like they're just spazzing out and it's so dull to watch happening due to the simplicity of the game mechanics, IMO.  This is one of those games I'd rather play than watch.  Just like how it's the opposite of my liking to watch Marvel insanity matches but never playing the game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: Tasty on January 24, 2017, 01:00:40 PM
Well, IMO, it's the least dull fighting game to watch because everything happens at lightning fast speed. "Spazzing out" is an interesting term to use for methodical pressuring, chase-downs, combo follow-ups and edge-guards, but to each their own I suppose.

(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/streetfighter/images/4/40/NASH_2nd_SFV_trailer_Charlie_vs_Chun-Li.gif/revision/latest?cb=20150327000834)

 :zzz :zzz :zzz :zzz :zzz  :zzz :zzz :zzz :zzz :zzz



(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--xiyCzJtt--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/msb3vkhfrmecn8qv5ktb.gif)

 :gladbron :gladbron :gladbron
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: bork on January 24, 2017, 01:14:52 PM
So doing a combo is :zzz, but jumping around and spazzing out is exciting. 

OK.  :doge

Again...it looks like they're just flailing around.  I don't find that particularly-compelling to watch.  There have been times where shit was going on at the edge of the stage and it was cool watching them barely hang on or fight while falling off the platforms and watching the crowd go insane for whoever survived. I like that.

If you want more speed, watch games other than Street Fighter.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: Tasty on January 24, 2017, 01:23:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3egQBYUC1Nw

March 2-4!

So doing a combo is :zzz, but jumping around and spazzing out is exciting. 

OK.  :doge

Yes, a lot of action on the screen with the game advantage changing hands multiple times in 30 seconds is exciting. How is this a foreign concept?

It's like saying basketball is boring to watch because they're just "flailing around" while holding up baseball as an exciting sport.

Again...it looks like they're just flailing around.

Between this and your "Melee is simple to play" quote I'm not sure how much you know about high level Smash. :lol Getting a combo going in Smash is a hell of a lot harder than executing a combo in Street Fighter, not to mention all the aerial maneuverability.

But this isn't a thread for Smash vs. other fighters, and in fact I made this a separate thread to get away from that. So please stay on topic.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: Tasty on January 24, 2017, 01:26:53 PM
https://twitter.com/MrWiz/status/823685242099642368

9pm tonight!

Really pulling for both Smashes back again. :rejoice

For some reason I enjoy watching Smash 4 pools more than Melee pools, but I prefer Melee Top 16 to Smash 4 Top 16. Feels like there's a lot of weirdness and experimenting still happening in Smash 4 at the lower levels that's interesting to watch (plus a larger viable character pool than Melee.)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: bork on January 24, 2017, 02:04:43 PM

Yes, a lot of action on the screen with the game advantage changing hands multiple times in 30 seconds is exciting. How is this a foreign concept?

It's opinion.   :lol  I said it looks like they are flailing around.  I know the depth that the game has.  I don't care much for how it looks in action.

:idont

Speaking of sports, I generally don't like watching them, either- I also find sports pretty boring to watch.  I'd rather be playing.  It's the same thing for me with this game.

Between this and your "Melee is simple to play" quote I'm not sure how much you know about high level Smash. :lol

You're mis-reading me here.  I'm saying that the game's relatively simple mechanics don't translate well into a spectator sport for me.  As in the way "combos" are done in the game and movement.  It's a lot of movement all over the place.

Getting a combo going in Smash is a hell of a lot harder than executing a combo in Street Fighter, not to mention all the aerial maneuverability.

For high-level play?  :rofl  Talk about not knowing about how games play.   :doge  Absolutely the same amounts of skill are needed to be that good.

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But this isn't a thread for Smash vs. other fighters, and in fact I made this a separate thread to get away from that. So please stay on topic.

It's a Smash thread and this is Smash discussion.  But...ok.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: a slime appears on January 25, 2017, 08:24:05 AM
That's good it's now widely considered a fighting game.

Also isn't it the largest fighting game community in the world? I see competitions for that shit at practically all non-industry game conventions.

Do you guys know if that's true or I just happen to keep running into it?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: bork on January 25, 2017, 08:30:01 AM
Not sure if it's the biggest, but it's up there.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: Owl-faced Wizard on January 25, 2017, 10:49:00 AM
It's a semantic argument stemming from historical baggage, as far as I can tell. People opposed to it don't want it called a fighting games because to them, that describes games in the Street Fighter II mould. The same way that JRPG implies more than just being a Japanese-made RPG (although I would prefer that definition myself). Even worse, Adventure and Action-Adventure, which sound incredibly broad, but actually mean something fairly specific.
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And fuck anyone who calls Zelda games RPGs.
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Video game genres are a complete mess. Strategy genres might be in the best places, 4X notwithstanding.

People can get strategy hopelessly wrong too - lot of confusion between 'tactics' and 'strategy' for example, like strategy games are just more complicated tactical games.

Re: watching Smash:

It has innate disadvantages as a spectator sport - the action has to be zoomed out to accommodate the ring-out system, which makes the fighting a bit less visceral, plus because it needs to support more than two players you can't have gameplay slow down on hit connection like some other fighters do, which means hits can have a bit less 'oomph'.  I do think combos are more interesting to watch in Smash because they're improvisational and work differently at different percentages (especially compared to the predictable and long-winded Mahvel and Tekken combos, yuck).  I think a lot of the criticisms leveled at Smash Bros from the fighting game community comes from ignorance of the game, and ignorance of game design in general.  These are, after all, the people who did more than most to warp the meaning the word 'depth' to mean density/complexity in the popular videogame lexicon, when historically it's closer to the opposite (ie. simple to approach, hard to master).  In a real meaningful sense, Smash Bros is the deepest fighting game out there (on the provision that you actually use words correctly).
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: thisismyusername on January 25, 2017, 11:49:20 AM
That's good it's now widely considered a fighting game.

Except that it isn't. :smug

jumping around and spazzing out

Exactly. Not a fighting game. It's a party game that's been warped to be competitive. I can appreciate the level of control (enjoy your carpal tunnel in a few years, I guess?  :doge ) high-level Smash Brothers has to be played at, but it has no concept of fighting beyond "smash A/B and shoot/rocket them off the stage."

Maybe there's more positioning to it than I see in tournament videos, but like Bork tournament videos are  :zzz :zzz :zzz :zzz :zzz :zzz :zzz :zzz So I don't bother with it. Like, DOTA (which I don't like) is more appealing as a spectator sport because it isn't "spazzing out."  :esports

Also in all honesty: I own Smash Melee and have put maybe 2 hours max into it. Just not for me and totally not a fighting game (in my sense of definition). I don't get the appeal at all, but I mean hey it works for some folks. :trumps
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: bork on January 25, 2017, 01:17:40 PM
That's good it's now widely considered a fighting game.

Except that it isn't. :smug

OK...if it isn't...than what kind of game is Smash?

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jumping around and spazzing out

Exactly. Not a fighting game. It's a party game that's been warped to be competitive. I can appreciate the level of control (enjoy your carpal tunnel in a few years, I guess?  :doge ) high-level Smash Brothers has to be played at, but it has no concept of fighting beyond "smash A/B and shoot/rocket them off the stage."

Right...it's a "party fighter" if you want to give it a different distinction.  But it's still a freakin' fighting game!  :dizzy

Now, something that preceded it like Poy Poy?  That's not what I'd call a fighting game.  But Smash absolutely is.  It's just not the traditional 2D or 3D style is all.
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Maybe there's more positioning to it than I see in tournament videos, but like Bork tournament videos are  :zzz :zzz :zzz :zzz :zzz :zzz :zzz :zzz So I don't bother with it. Like, DOTA (which I don't like) is more appealing as a spectator sport because it isn't "spazzing out."  :esports

Yeah, I don't generally find it particularly engaging to watch.  But I also don't really watch much streaming at all TBH.  I'd rather play everything.  I watch some tournament stuff every now and then and that's about it.  I can't see how people sit there for hours and hours and even days on end watching other people play video games.

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Also in all honesty: I own Smash Melee and have put maybe 2 hours max into it. Just not for me and totally not a fighting game (in my sense of definition). I don't get the appeal at all, but I mean hey it works for some folks. :trumps

That's great...it's a fighting game.
:ufup
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: curly on January 25, 2017, 04:06:17 PM


Exactly. Not a fighting game. It's a party game that's been warped to be competitive. I can appreciate the level of control (enjoy your carpal tunnel in a few years, I guess?  :doge ) high-level Smash Brothers has to be played at, but it has no concept of fighting beyond "smash A/B and shoot/rocket them off the stage."

:dunno

Maybe you should try playing it more that two hours before deciding that? You admit yourself you have little knowledge about the subject, but you still go on and on about what kind of game it is and how it works.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread ~ Switching Gears
Post by: nachobro on January 25, 2017, 07:38:02 PM
smash 4 on sunday at evo :rejoice

melee relegated to the minor league of saturday :point

re: smash as a fighting game. at this point the fight is basically over, we lost. it's done. i'll accept that at this point.