Yeah I'm making a separate thread because I'm so disappointed in this movie. I normally don't let myself get excited about movies/games beforehand, but a gritty R-rated Fox hands-off Wolverine film, a fantastic moving trailer, excellent posters, Patrick Stewart talking about how it was so good he'll never play Professor X again because he can't top it, the premise of a post-apocalyptic father/daughter-ish + Captain Picard Professor X road trip; all the pieces were there to be a really great film about my favorite character in comics.
It was an ok movie. Objectively about as good as the 2nd Wolverine movie or something. To its credit there were some great performances and some nice shots.
But the script sucked and it was not the movie I wanted at all. I hate Mark Millar, but some people do a good job taking his basic ideas and turning them into totally different great films like Kingsman, Kick-Ass or even Civil War. Like most Mark Millar stuff I hated Old Man Logan, so was hoping that like Kick-ass, Kingsman, etc...that they just took the general premise and made a different and much better story out of it.
Even though it's a different story, unlike those other Millar movies, they kept all the wrong things from Old Man Logan. The movie has no heart. It's bleak, feel bad, mean-spirited and almost completely soulless (a Mark Millar trait). When characters died a long the way I couldn't care at all because the movie was just so negative and bleak there was never any emotional investment at all.
Plus dumb shit like:
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X-24, come the fuck on. Movie didn't need an even shittier Dakon and an X-23.
I was hoping that this was going to be the ultimate Wolverine send-off movie. Wolverine movie #2 was an improvement (obviously) over the first and it felt on the right track to getting a truly great Wolverine film that captures one of the greatest comic book characters out there. A character whose constantly funny, heroic, Canadian and fucks up people left and right. No matter what in Wolverine comics, he's always the character you want to root for because he's the underdog with a lot of heart. This movie has none of that. It's lifeless.
If you want a good send-off for Wolverine's character, read Rick Rememder's Uncanny X-Force (2010-2012) & Jason Aaron's Wolverine and the X-men (2011-2013) which run parallel to each other and embody everything great about the character and give a great conclusion to his long character arc.
I basically checked out emotionally at the part where:
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They go visit the farm family & have dinner with them and Laura borrows the ipod and then the bad guys come and kill them all like you expect and ten minutes later when wolverine is listing all the people that have died he doesn't even mention them because who cares, there are no real characters in this movie.
Or the dumbass shit like:
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Cyborg arm bad guy who never uses his arm and has no strategy against mutant kids and dies instantly once they fight back. I mean the whole kids running from soldiers scene was really stupid considering they show five mins later that the kids can easily take all these humans.
The magic wolverine killing bullet and then evil terminator wolverine shows up! What perfect timing.
Oh and immortal yet slowly dying Wolverine ok, time to die for real now because tree smack even though you got shot and smacked eight million times.
I feel like the script was as bad as your average Fox comic movie and the only thing that set it apart was swearing & violence. If they were trying to rise above a comic book movie then it's amateur hour regular movie at best. John Wick 2 had better everything and it's not like JW2 was amazing.
The action scenes were dope, there were some really great scenes with Logan and Xavier, the girl was pretty good. But it felt like half the run time of the movie was dedicated to repeated shots of Logan coughing/drinking/staring. And at some point all the f bombs got ridiculous and gratuitous. Patrick Stewart dropping 5 fucks in one scene. Come on. Or the weird mood whiplashes when Xavier's condition was played for a joke or punchline.
Fucking hate the gringo from Narcos. Dude ruined every scene he was in. The movie easily could have cut 20-30 minutes and been a much better movie. Coming off of Apocalypse it was 5 stars, though.
Sure but Apocalypse was fucking smurf terrible.
yeah, its flawed. But I liked it all the same.
Patrick Stewart is an underrated user of profanity (and as Green Room taught us, ethnic slurs as well). And there's some actual psychological depth to the characters and the plot. I liked how...
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the villain and the kid are essentially neutral and evil redux of him, and how Logan comes to feel guilty and responsible for both. How Xavier's deterioration plays out. The near future world building. How the villain gets effing got mid evil speech.
So, Beps, I love ya man, but I'm gonna have to disagree.
I was with this until Wolverine and the X-Men was recommended. What a trash book.
Some of it was kinda bad, but the ending is such a good conclusion it makes the entire run worth it.
I was kind of joking even though I find WoTX to be pretty bad, but this kind of hits on what I think and my disagreement with you on the movie(at least some parts).
I just saw it and I do think it was a really good send up to the character and the actor.
See I don't like WoTX because it takes the character into a really different direction. One I don't agree with. Wolverine leading the X-men? Being the headmaster? Being super heroic? Constantly funny? That is'nt the character I see. Maybe it's the one in WoTX, but it's not the one I think chris claremont really wrote or even Grant Morrison(ok maybe sarcastic). To me Wolverine is the reluctant hero, a hard ass who wants to do the right thing, but will complain about while doing it, and even then. He's conflicted. He loves those he considers friends and is willing to sacrifice himself for it.
I really think you see that Wolvie here. Yes the movie is bleak and yes Wolvie is a huge ass, but yet look he's at the end of his rope. Still he takes care of an Xavier who has probably done something that really hurt Logan. He is extremely reluctant to get involved, but obviously the movie is about how deep down he is a good guy who just doesn't want to admit it. To me that really is the Wolverine character and the movie really did that justice. You say it has no soul, but I really feel that it captured the soul of Wolverine as a character. I think it has a lot of heart when it comes to X-23 and Wolerine, it's just not very touchy feely except at the end.
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But I do agree that X-24 was very dumb. Despite being in a world where people have powers it keeps it grounded. X-23 is not really a clone. We can make babies like her now. The Reaver's are not as crazy as they are in the comic. They only have really cyborg arms. Again not something impossible. This movie is set what 10 years in the future? I could believe in 10 years we'd have something close. I don't know a Full Wolverine clone really took me out of the movie. It's like with the 2nd Wolverine movie. Pretty good grounded and un-superheriosh movie, then Wolverine fights a Giant Robot. It was silly and felt like the demand of a Hollywood that thinks you have to fight something big in the 3rd act. It really brings that movie down. Logan seemed like it was going to avoid those pitfalls and it kind of does except it's like they thought Logan has to have something to fight. X-24 just takes me out of the movie. His appearance mid way though feels random and lame(yes I know theres some foreshadowing, but I did'nt expect something so out there) and then they predictably bring him out again. I also thought the death of the farming family was lame and super predictable to the point that it took me out as I waited for them to die. Which is funny because I felt when it seemed the trouble was just the bad farmers we were going to pass this w/o any big problems and then the movie disappointed me.