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Title: Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)
Post by: Samson Manhug on June 26, 2017, 03:50:59 PM
This piece is unnecessarily long, but the most interesting point to me is that society already has too many young men without anything productive to do and it will only get worse as industry continues to automate. Historically this causes organized violence and coups, but maybe vidya and universal income are the solution to a more peaceful and stable world.

What do you guys think?

Key excerpts:

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So it is perhaps not surprising that for many young men, especially those with lower levels of educational attainment, video games are increasingly replacing work. Since 2000, men in their 20s without a bachelor's degree are working considerably less and spending far more time engaged in leisure activities, which overwhelmingly means playing video games. Over the same time frame, this group of men has also grown more likely to be single, to have no children, and to live with parents or other family members.

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You might think that this would be demoralizing. A life spent unemployed, living at home, without romantic prospects, playing digital time wasters does not sound particularly appealing on its face.

Yet this group reports far higher levels of overall happiness than low-skilled young men from the turn of the 21st century. In contrast, self-reported happiness for older workers without college degrees fell during the same period.

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Men are more likely to exhibit extremes of character and behavior, both positive and negative. A whole generation of men obsessively playing video games during their prime decades of life may not be ideal, but most would agree that it is preferable to riots.

https://reason.com/archives/2017/06/13/young-men-are-playing-video-ga
Title: Re: Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)
Post by: Brehvolution on June 26, 2017, 04:17:57 PM
gahiggity.jpg
Title: Re: Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)
Post by: CatsCatsCats on June 26, 2017, 04:19:10 PM
Gimme weed and vidyas, along with enough money to pay my mortgage and feed my family and no one gets hurt
Title: Re: Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)
Post by: etiolate on June 26, 2017, 04:22:29 PM
I don't think video games are fulfilling enough. My issue with UBI is the idea that a paycheck can replace a daily purpose. You can game for an elongated period of time, but eventually most people will seek a purpose. If you do not have a path for them to find that purpose and worth then you may have a serious issue.
Title: Re: Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)
Post by: thisismyusername on June 26, 2017, 04:25:38 PM
There is no "purpose" to working, either. It's just you doing slave-wage work for a paycheck for most people.

Universal Basic Income means these folks shift gears from "ugh, my job" to "ugh, my life/arts/whatever." Same shit, different day.
Title: Re: Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)
Post by: Fifstar on June 26, 2017, 04:30:19 PM
Interesting, but I wouldn't be surprised if a sizeable amount of these young men eventually falls into depression when they  hit their thirties.

Fake edit: Okay, the article kinda goes in that direction in the latter half.

I'm a proponent of universal basic income but you have to wonder if it will be enough to get a sense of personal fullfillment.
Title: Re: Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)
Post by: CatsCatsCats on June 26, 2017, 04:30:31 PM
I don't think video games are fulfilling enough. My issue with UBI is the idea that a paycheck can replace a daily purpose. You can game for an elongated period of time, but eventually most people will seek a purpose. If you do not have a path for them to find that purpose and worth then you may have a serious issue.

Arts, charity, research, etc don't exist anymore? Believe, doing anything other than wage slavin for a global corporation would give me more daily purpose
Title: Re: Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)
Post by: Fifstar on June 26, 2017, 04:33:22 PM
There is no "purpose" to working, either. It's just you doing slave-wage work for a paycheck for most people.

Universal Basic Income means these folks shift gears from "ugh, my job" to "ugh, my life/arts/whatever." Same shit, different day.

The purpose of working is (or used to be) to provide for your family, not the work itself.
Title: Re: Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)
Post by: etiolate on June 26, 2017, 04:34:06 PM
There is no "purpose" to working, either. It's just you doing slave-wage work for a paycheck for most people.

Universal Basic Income means these folks shift gears from "ugh, my job" to "ugh, my life/arts/whatever." Same shit, different day.

I don't agree.

There is certainly a difference between a job and a career. It's said a select few get to have a career and most people have a job. That's rather depressing to think about, but its likely true. However, not every job is soulless. Even within the basic labor force, some employment offers a sense of purpose or reward. Your job can put you into the public sphere, make you interact with people, and give you something to safeguard. A family friend recently had to quit his work and go on disability because the arthritis in his hand had crystallized on the bone and he was unable to use that hand as a mechanic and laborer. And now he's incredibly bored, so he's offering to teach us how to repair our cars.

Work isn't evil, it's just not always fun. Mostly, it gives you a reason to wake up and approach the day. As much as I enjoy video games, they do not offer that to me. If my purpose it play games or binge Netflix, I don't have a reason to wake up. If I played games competitively or for the entertainment of others, then I would have a purpose. I'd be paid and appreciated for my skill. That is a sense of real self worth. A level up in a game is the illusion of accomplishment or worth, and eventually that illusion will break.

If you were pursuing the arts then that's different and irregardless of whether you can find work. If you're getting paid for your arts then that is a career of some level. It's a purpose. Many people have day jobs and create art. Sometimes they devote themselves full to the craft rather than the day job. I don't think we'll suddenly produce a ton of art just because men are jobless.
Title: Re: Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 26, 2017, 07:20:43 PM
I keep grinding at work, but the loot tables are awful. At least it's f2p.
Title: Re: Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)
Post by: Mandark on June 26, 2017, 08:02:40 PM
You might think lower labor force participation is a problem, but the article makes it sound pretty NEET.
Title: Re: Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)
Post by: Rufus on June 26, 2017, 08:14:34 PM
You might think lower labor force participation is a problem, but the article makes it sound pretty NEET.
:foxx
Title: Re: Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)
Post by: Mandark on June 26, 2017, 08:23:19 PM
 :ohyou
Title: Re: Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)
Post by: Rufus on June 26, 2017, 08:24:49 PM
:clap :beli
Title: Re: Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)
Post by: Let's Cyber on June 26, 2017, 09:06:15 PM
I don't think video games are fulfilling enough. My issue with UBI is the idea that a paycheck can replace a daily purpose. You can game for an elongated period of time, but eventually most people will seek a purpose. If you do not have a path for them to find that purpose and worth then you may have a serious issue.

Arts, charity, research, etc don't exist anymore? Believe, doing anything other than wage slavin for a global corporation would give me more daily purpose
+1

On noes I'll have so much time to go on bike rides and spent time reading or listening to audiobooks or volunteering or spending time with friends or helping my grandparents or working out or learning a new language or traveling or drawing or any number of other fulfilling activities. Without a job, I might actually be forced to live my life!  The idea that shitty retail/fast food/trucking jobs are the only things giving the dregs of society purpose and stopping them from rising up and causing mayhem seems to be a contemporary reimagining of "idle hands are the devil's workshop". 

I missed so many Thanksgivings, Christmases and general family gatherings when I used to work a mindless retail job just to pay rent. Fuck that shit forever.   
Title: Re: Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)
Post by: tiesto on June 26, 2017, 09:22:32 PM
My best friend is 36 and hasn't worked a day in his life (he has a Masters in Library Science so it's not like he's uneducated either), he still lives with his mom and sits around playing SF4/5 and reading 4chan all day. In a way I'd be envious of the free time but I'd probably do something a tad more productive if I had that kinda free ride - like try to program my own game or go for more bike rides or travel more.
Title: Re: Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)
Post by: etiolate on June 26, 2017, 09:25:47 PM
I think your view on this will change as you get older and you start to look at what you mean to the world. Nobody cares about the person who read a book, watched a show and played a game. You will want something of yourself that is more than that. I also offer that it would make dating very hard, as we have not moved to a point where an unemployed male is valued in a romantic or respectful way.

Primely

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Left unanswered is the question of what happens after one's basic needs are provided for. Individuals vary, but virtually everyone seeks more out of life than low-level material subsistence. People whose survival needs are met seek power and growth, status and social connection—benefits even the most generous imaginable basic income cannot provide.

How will you find purpose, status and belonging on UBI, and how will you financially support any endeavors to seek those goals out on the entry-floor living of Universal Basic Income?
Title: Re: Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)
Post by: tiesto on June 26, 2017, 10:17:03 PM
Well, say we all get a guaranteed basic income, there will be plenty who do nothing but there will also be plenty others who will use the free time to engage in creative endeavors. I know I definitely would use my free time to program and design indie RPGs (when you code all day it's kinda hard to get home and want to open Visual Studio again), make more DJ mixes, get more exercise. And of course play more games :P

There's the dating thing but tbh, I make slightly short of 6 figures, own my own place (in one of the more expensive places to live), and my dating life is still terrible :P
Title: Re: Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)
Post by: etiolate on June 26, 2017, 10:19:40 PM
If you just opened yourself up to girls who shave.

Just sayin
Title: Re: Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 26, 2017, 10:26:46 PM
I'm OK with hooking up the worthless to a video game till they die. 
Title: Re: Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)
Post by: thisismyusername on June 26, 2017, 10:30:58 PM
Nobody cares about the person who read a book, watched a show and played a game.

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Nobody cares abotu you wage-slaving either.
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 :doge

Again, "same shit, different day." Changing philosophy from "ugh, work" to "ugh, universal basic income" doesn't change much. You're going with "meaning in life" which could  be anything for anyone. Do you think the stay-at-home wives that have a husband that works to provide for him and her has no "purpose?"

Like I get what you're saying, but I don't agree. Anyone that needs to find "purpose" through work probably won't get why others would want to find purpose elsewhere.
Title: Re: Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)
Post by: etiolate on June 26, 2017, 10:35:10 PM
The stay at home mom has purpose. I don't think guys have that choice in life in the same way though. Not in any comparable way. This, of course, is under the view of heterosexuality.
Title: Re: Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)
Post by: Valkyrie on June 26, 2017, 10:35:41 PM
But mah vidya
Title: Re: Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)
Post by: CatsCatsCats on June 26, 2017, 10:40:54 PM
The stay at home mom has purpose. I don't think guys have that choice in life in the same way though. Not in any comparable way. This, of course, is under the view of heterosexuality.

Da fuq
Title: Re: Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)
Post by: benjipwns on June 26, 2017, 10:46:32 PM
knew it was suderman

also nobody noticed the caption on the picture?
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Joanna Andreasson (photo: Call of Duty, EA Games)

and you people call yourself a nexus of hardcore gamers, enthusiast press, and video game industry developers and publishers
Title: Re: Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)
Post by: Rufus on June 26, 2017, 10:51:42 PM
My best friend is 36 and hasn't worked a day in his life (he has a Masters in Library Science so it's not like he's uneducated either), he still lives with his mom and sits around playing SF4/5 and reading 4chan all day. In a way I'd be envious of the free time but I'd probably do something a tad more productive if I had that kinda free ride - like try to program my own game or go for more bike rides or travel more.
All I can think of here is undiagnosed mental health issues, even if he can look forward to a fat inheritance to tide him over until his time comes. You don't reach this level of escapism without something having broken along the way.
Title: Re: Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 27, 2017, 12:11:40 AM
knew it was suderman

Ugh god Jesus

At least it wasn't his fucking wife, she's an even bigger idiot
Title: Re: Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on June 27, 2017, 12:12:18 AM
I have a good friend that's like that. He's 35, has a masters in comp sci and lives with his parents. I always make fun of him for making bad life choices. One time a few weeks ago I told him he was a victim of bad life choices and he just nodded and changed the subject. After a while he asked me about my day and I was like "oh man, it sucked. I had meetings starting at 6am with offshore and that was after the 10pm meeting I had with them the night before, then I had a slew of shitty meetings and one of my projects is on fire." And he replied, "I woke up at 9, made some breakfast and played games until lunch time, after that I read a while. It seems to me I'm not the one that's made bad life choices."

I was like :brazilcry
Title: Re: Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)
Post by: chronovore on June 27, 2017, 04:38:50 AM
I have a good friend that's like that. He's 35, has a masters in comp sci and lives with his parents. I always make fun of him for making bad life choices. One time a few weeks ago I told him he was a victim of bad life choices and he just nodded and changed the subject. After a while he asked me about my day and I was like "oh man, it sucked. I had meetings starting at 6am with offshore and that was after the 10pm meeting I had with them the night before, then I had a slew of shitty meetings and one of my projects is on fire." And he replied, "I woke up at 9, made some breakfast and played games until lunch time, after that I read a while. It seems to me I'm not the one that's made bad life choices."

I was like :brazilcry

Did he tip his fedora and say, "Checkmate," afterward?
Title: Re: Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)
Post by: Atramental on June 27, 2017, 04:48:00 AM
I have a good friend that's like that. He's 35, has a masters in comp sci and lives with his parents. I always make fun of him for making bad life choices. One time a few weeks ago I told him he was a victim of bad life choices and he just nodded and changed the subject. After a while he asked me about my day and I was like "oh man, it sucked. I had meetings starting at 6am with offshore and that was after the 10pm meeting I had with them the night before, then I had a slew of shitty meetings and one of my projects is on fire." And he replied, "I woke up at 9, made some breakfast and played games until lunch time, after that I read a while. It seems to me I'm not the one that's made bad life choices."

I was like :brazilcry
(http://i.imgur.com/SqwZEmF.png)
Title: Re: Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)
Post by: T-Short on June 27, 2017, 05:00:53 AM
And this is what the musical artists from the same generation get to do

https://twitter.com/Obscure_Exhibit/status/879168809914949632

Art imitates life
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Post by: seagrams hotsauce on June 27, 2017, 05:13:29 AM
Pretty tame by rap chain standards tbh
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Post by: Atramental on June 27, 2017, 05:47:00 AM
I say, bring on the basic income.

I'm so fucking done making other people rich through my endless wagecucking.   :-\
Title: Re: Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)
Post by: Momo on June 27, 2017, 07:28:30 AM
Yoshihiro Togashi  #HiatusxPapaBless
Title: Re: Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 27, 2017, 09:33:42 AM
It's an interesting topic to think about.

For me, work is it's own reward. It doesn't matter the job or the pay scale.  I like to feel needed, I like to problem solve. Work fulfills both of those basic desires. The pay is just the added incentive.

Even though many games give you a similar feedback (where you "grind away" doing a repetitive problem solving task to increase your overall status in that game's social structure). I don't think it's nearly as fulfilling or able to satiate you long-term.

That being said, is there really a difference between the two people in the grand scheme of things? Most of us will be forgotten 50 years after our deaths, ith no real traces left on the world. Did it really matter if you spent your time gaming versus working a marginal job?



Title: Re: Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 27, 2017, 10:10:34 AM
Video games tend to follow simpler rules than real life. You can reach goals and "accomplish" things with just a simple application of time in a lot of cases. "I'm going to beat this game." "I'm going to grind greater rifts until I can set a new personal best." etc etc

Real life is weirder and messier. Just putting in time at work doesn't mean you're going to reach goals and accomplish things. You might not get a promotion due to office politics. You might not get a raise because decades of supply side economics have wrecked wage growth despite increasing productivity. "Real life" isn't "fair" in the way that video games are in a lot of ways.

So, I get it. I mean shit, I've put over 2,000 hours into Diablo 3 alone in the past 5 years. I'm just highly skeptical a guaranteed minimum income will become reality anytime soon, especially in a place as politically stupid as America.
Title: Re: Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)
Post by: Brehvolution on June 27, 2017, 10:18:30 AM
I'm OK with a basic income as long as there is a work requirement.  :ohyou
Title: Re: Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 27, 2017, 12:58:00 PM
I'm OK with a basic income as long as there is a work requirement. 

I think that's the thing young people forget about when they aspire to socialistic ideals. Old-school socialism was based around work first, then share the wealth of that work. One begets the other.



 
Title: Re: Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)
Post by: Samson Manhug on June 27, 2017, 01:04:10 PM
This article just made me think about all the people I've known over the years who would take time off of work to play WoW. Or people who live to play Second Life. Or how I deliberately delayed playing Skyrim for two years because I knew it would take over my life and I was waiting for an appropriate time. Or when I was unemployed for a few months and I would play Civ V for 40 hours a week. My ex-wife specifically mentioned Civ V when she told me she wanted a divorce—and I hadn't played it in months. There's definitely something there.

Men get much more wrapped up in these things than women, but maybe that's just because they're made by men for men.
Title: Re: Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 27, 2017, 01:07:06 PM
With the global population explosion, outsourcing, and now automation, we're probably looking at a situation in the not too distant future where there will legit be more people than actual work that needs doing. I'd rather give people a guaranteed minimum income than have them dig holes and fill them back up out of some absurd notion of "contributing."
Title: Re: Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 27, 2017, 01:22:53 PM
The stay at home mom has purpose. I don't think guys have that choice in life in the same way though. Not in any comparable way. This, of course, is under the view of heterosexuality.

Da fuq

this reads exactly like something a gamergater would say.
Title: Re: Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)
Post by: brawndolicious on June 27, 2017, 08:02:20 PM
Etiolate, I think your relative who used to be a mechanic wants to teach others how to fix cars because he likes automotive engineering a lot more than he likes doing "a job".

If you are somebody who has no desire to build, create, and share then I'm fairly certain you have no social or romantic life and I can't think of any less destructive outlet for your crippling boredom and loneliness than video games.

Even with UBI, I don't see us moving to a society where a significantly higher portion of people are unemployed. I'm sure college educated 20-somethings come from on average higher socioeconomic backgrounds than those mentioned in the article yet they are less likely to mooch off parents apparently. I assume that is because their degree lets them find a full or part time job that is satisfying for them.

And that's what the future will be, the only jobs left will be "nicer" ones but people won't be working as many hours as they are today.
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Post by: etiolate on June 27, 2017, 08:11:09 PM
Brawndo, that's not really different. You can like automative engineering and when you're paid for it then you're recognized and appreciated for it. The job and the craft are one in the same. The job aspect just rewards you for doing such a thing in a way that sitting at home doing it cannot.
Title: Re: Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)
Post by: brawndolicious on June 27, 2017, 09:10:33 PM
Tinkering with cars at home is a very very popular hobby but the auto shop techs I know say their job is very repetitive even though they obviously like cars. The reason being that there's very little variation when something goes wrong with a car so you're doing the same repairs over and over.

Unless you're lucky enough to work at a custom car shop or something but that's a really small minority. My point is people lose all passion for something when you take away all the critical thinking and creativity and trim it down to just focusing on the service being cheap and fast.

That why I'm saying people will still work for the satisfaction of learning and developing themselves but only on the problems machines can't do (ie: give the robots the oil/brake jobs).
Title: Re: Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)
Post by: etiolate on June 27, 2017, 09:26:07 PM
I think you are still overlooking the recognition aspect. I can completely understand the problem of repetitive routine, but I'm talking about fulfillment and purpose. Perhaps the question is if expectation from others and succeeding at that expectation provides the person a benefit that self-serving labor of the same exact sort cannot.
Title: Re: Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)
Post by: CatsCatsCats on June 27, 2017, 09:32:46 PM
I think you're project some ego needs here, mate -- or, else, like, comma, why does recognition and appreciation need to come in the form of a paycheck? You know people existed before paychecks, right?
Title: Re: Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)
Post by: Raist on June 28, 2017, 03:14:15 AM
Tinkering with cars at home is a very very popular hobby but the auto shop techs I know say their job is very repetitive even though they obviously like cars. The reason being that there's very little variation when something goes wrong with a car so you're doing the same repairs over and over.

Unless you're lucky enough to work at a custom car shop or something but that's a really small minority. My point is people lose all passion for something when you take away all the critical thinking and creativity and trim it down to just focusing on the service being cheap and fast.

That why I'm saying people will still work for the satisfaction of learning and developing themselves but only on the problems machines can't do (ie: give the robots the oil/brake jobs).

I mean, the vast majority of jobs are repetitive.
Title: Re: Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)
Post by: VomKriege on June 28, 2017, 04:27:22 AM
With the global population explosion, outsourcing, and now automation, we're probably looking at a situation in the not too distant future where there will legit be more people than actual work that needs doing. I'd rather give people a guaranteed minimum income than have them dig holes and fill them back up out of some absurd notion of "contributing."

Well we can also dig & fill holes to curb the population explosion and that would certainly contribute.  :doge

Also work as the exclusive path to fulfillment & dignity is bullshit and I say that as someone who loves his work. The vast majority of people are slaving in a field that do not really interest them, and that's how it is. And even with passion you still have to deal with office politics / demands from above. Ironically, those who like most to try to convince us that work is our dignity will also be the first to come see you to botch it for their profit margins.
Title: Re: Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)
Post by: benjipwns on June 28, 2017, 02:20:31 PM
Or when I was unemployed for a few months and I would play Civ V for 40 hours a week. My ex-wife specifically mentioned Civ V when she told me she wanted a divorce—and I hadn't played it in months.
So you made the right decision and started a marathon game immediately right?
Title: Re: Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)
Post by: benjipwns on June 28, 2017, 02:21:08 PM
Well we can also dig & fill holes to curb the population explosion and that would certainly contribute.  :doge
woah woah, way to completely gloss over the whole "mass graves" part of this