THE BORE
General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: Himu on July 12, 2017, 11:35:17 PM
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Game owns and is better than Trigger in hindsight.
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just play it on emulator or ps3 and also dear god no so wrong
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better than Trigger.
:trigger
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Hindsight, like from your ass? Just like this game was. :umad
But why steam and not PSN? I'm surprised it isn't on PSN if it isn't.
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I never played it because of how much hate the game got. Still not fondly remembered either. :lol
STILL, I need to play it 'cause I love Trigger.
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Give it a try if you want to, only way you'll know is if you try.
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I never played it because of how much hate the game got. Still not fondly remembered either. :lol
Hate's pretty undeserved, it's a good game.
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I never played it because of how much hate the game got. Still not fondly remembered either. :lol
Hate's pretty undeserved, it's a good game.
I think the problem is that it's like they just slapped "Chrono" onto some random Square RPG to see if it would sell better. Doubt there would be much hate if the game had a different name.
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And yes, I know there are some game play similarities and characters from Trigger. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. :P
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I never played it because of how much hate the game got. Still not fondly remembered either. :lol
STILL, I need to play it 'cause I love Trigger.
Same. I liked Trigger a lot but never played Cross cause of all the shit it got. Probably should get on that one day.
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You mean Suikoden Trigger?
If the game didn't have a million characters to use it would be a way better game.
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just checked and it's on psn for $10
it's not a terrible game by any means, just an overall alright game. which, as a sequel to trigger, isn't nearly enough. the biggest problem imo is that the scenario is trash. lots of boring forgettable events, plot holes, and convoluted ties to the original. the gameplay has a ton of great ideas but i don't feel like it's enough to carry the whole thing.
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Chrono Cross also has a spectacular OST:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py3mLR0Fa-w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9ovz3imdFM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8gO2OvpALs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP2OlOQavpA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpGwyd2Ve_0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi4wQLTIqdg
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I find Trigger a little simplistic these days. It's really boring. The encounter system is legitimately terrible and often reminds me Crisis Core's. Also terrible. It's an encounter system where many fights aren't even skippable. The battle system is shallow; also simplistic. Trigger feels like one of those "experience" RPGs to me now. Beyond the premise and nostalgia it isn't that interesting anymore, and most of the stories feel kind of a waste. It's interesting how very few of the stories are actually about changing time and the ramifications of it. The dungeons and their design are some of the worst in an rpg as well. Black Omen is legitimately terrible. The one thing is has over Cross are characters.
Cross is far more interesting. You have more branches in your story path. And those branches have more weight. In order to save the girl in this game for instance, you need to commit a mass extinction event, killing an entire forest just to save Kid for instance. And the game even makes this decision reasonably stupid to do because you barely know her. The stories are also better and more relatable. You would see characters and their counterparts in two alternative worlds. Philosophically, it makes the player want to question,"I wonder what I would be like in an alternate world". In Serge's case, he would be dead. Then there's the girl who left her dream on the table in Armi village home world, but in alternate world she hasn't given up and is really, really good. Serge takes some of her writing and shows the Home version her unlimited potential. Cross just simply has more things to say and does it with maturity.
The dungeons are far, far better and not butt like in Trigger. Encounter system isn't ass. The battle system is incredible and has some really tough fights. The difficulty spikes are some of the best in a psx rpg, that truly requires the player to experiment and master the game fundamentals and systems.
And did I mention the music? It's way, way better.
https://youtu.be/YoEMaWrQBQM
Trigger takes a great premise and kind of toys with it. Cross takes a premise and knocks it out the park. Radiata Historia is much better than Trigger.
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Anyways positive, I feel this way because I replayed cross a few years back on my PS3. I wasn't big on it back in the day, but as an adult, 15 years later, it was an incredible experience. I replayed Trigger on ds a few years before that and...well...I didn't enjoy it as much as I used to beyond the nostalgia.
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Give Cross a shot.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ndm5KF-oMeo
https://youtu.be/hLCRatk4CYQ
https://youtu.be/J46RY4PU8a8
God like.
Back in the day I really, really wanted Mitsuda on a Final Fantasy project.
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better than Trigger.
:trigger
haha it's funny because you're triggered by fake news about chrono trigger
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Anyways positive, I feel this way because I replayed cross a few years back on my PS3. I wasn't big on it back in the day, but as an adult, 15 years later, it was an incredible experience. I replayed Trigger on ds a few years before that and...well...I didn't enjoy it as much as I used to beyond the nostalgia.
haven't played cross since back in the day but i have been thinking about looking at it again recently. just have a lot of newer stuff to play first. i did go thru some of trigger on ds last year and it was still fantastic. it's miles ahead of pretty much anything else in jrpgs in 1995.
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Anyways positive, I feel this way because I replayed cross a few years back on my PS3. I wasn't big on it back in the day, but as an adult, 15 years later, it was an incredible experience. I replayed Trigger on ds a few years before that and...well...I didn't enjoy it as much as I used to beyond the nostalgia.
haven't played cross since back in the day but i have been thinking about looking at it again recently. just have a lot of newer stuff to play first. i did go thru some of trigger on ds last year and it was still fantastic. it's miles ahead of pretty much anything else in jrpgs in 1995.
Give Cross an earnest shot. You might not come away from it thinking it's better than Trigger like me, but you might consider it one of the best on the system. Time allows reflection and measured expectations. I used to think it was a bad sequel to Trigger. On my replay, after letting it sit for a while, I think it's a fantastic sequel to Trigger. But in order to do this you need to go in with an open-mind. It's not perfect or anything, but certainly not as bad as we all made it back then and the game gets a lot of undeserved flack. It's very FF8-esque in that the more you play the better it gets.
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Is it on cellphone? I feel like these days SE puts old PS1 ports there first.
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no. the only ps1 games they ported to ios was ff7 and ff9.
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And tactics.
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I just bought a copy to do my part of never playing this game
(http://i.imgur.com/9wTdb6H.jpg)
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Cross is good. I agree that if it had been it's own thing instead of trying to connect it as a "sequel" to Trigger it would have been better received.
It's a really, really good game. Very pretty considering the hardware it was on, and as others have said, I think it has the best PSX rpg score.
...it loses points for bullshit furry crap, tho. DO NOT WANT.
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Cross is good. I agree that if it had been it's own thing instead of trying to connect it as a "sequel" to Trigger it would have been better received.
It's a really, really good game. Very pretty considering the hardware it was on, and as others have said, I think it has the best PSX rpg score.
...it loses points for bullshit furry crap, tho. DO NOT WANT.
holy shit look at this weeb
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Regarding Cross and how it came to be: Masato Kato [who was one of the writers on Trigger] was the lead on a little visual novel from 1996 called Radical Dreamers [slapped together in about 3 months, incredibly]. Despite the compressed development, apparently Square pretty much let Kato write whatever he wanted for the game and that's what he did, eventually tying loosely into the storyline/world of Trigger [which even Kato admitted hadn't been his initial intent].
Fast forward a little bit, and it was Kato who led the Cross team, which was otherwise mostly people who hadn't been involved with Trigger's development [aside from Kato, the other major figure on the dev team was producer/designer Hiromichi Tanaka, who played a major role in the development of Secret of Mana 1 and 3, but wasn't involved with Trigger at all]. So, Kato, for whatever reason, decided to use the characters, world, and plot from Radical Dreamers as the main basis for Cross, rather than anything specifically from Trigger.
Trigger was basically Square's all-star team [3 directors: Takashi Tokita, Yoshinori Kitase, Akihiko Matsui; Kazuhiko Aoki producing; Hironobu Sakaguchi as main designer; Masato Kato as the main writer with input from Tokita and Kitase from an outline by Yuji Horii; and then toss in Akira Toriyama for good measure], while Cross was more the product of just Kato and Tanaka.
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Any good interviews on cross?
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https://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Weekly_Famitsu.html
https://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Procyon_Studio.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20110709032608/http://www.gamepro.com/article/features/7033/chrono-cross-gamepro-com-interview-fan-questions-part-3/
https://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Supporting_Material_Translation.html#Developer_Interviews
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Go get it on PSN then, icey.
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Cross is good. I agree that if it had been it's own thing instead of trying to connect it as a "sequel" to Trigger it would have been better received.
It's a really, really good game. Very pretty considering the hardware it was on, and as others have said, I think it has the best PSX rpg score.
...it loses points for bullshit furry crap, tho. DO NOT WANT.
holy shit look at this weeb
:uguu :expert :uguu
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Go get it on PSN then, icey.
I have it already. I just want them to release an HD version. :hyper I'd also like more story with some of the optional characters.
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Given that no PC version existed they would have to do a new, from the ground up port. Considering the game's unfortunate lack of popularity this doesn't seem like the best use of time or money sadly.
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Given that no PC version existed they would have to do a new, from the ground up port. Considering the game's unfortunate lack of popularity this doesn't seem like the best use of time or money sadly.
Chrono Cross sold better than Trigger. Lack of popularity? It has only been re-released once (psn) and the lack of PC version for IX and X certainly didn't stop them from being made. I'm not saying you might not be wrong or anything, but I think it'd do pretty well. Is it really as unpopular as people say, or is that a loud minority? It was incredibly well reviewed after all. It deserves a second chance.
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pc ports of final Fantasy 9 and 10 were made because they are still hugely popular games, and both had rereleases on other platforms at the time they were put on steam. chrono cross has nothing like that, has no current swell of hype, and niche appeal at best in comparison to the ff games. I dunno why you're talking like it will ever be the remotest consideration for square Enix.
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Because :tocry
If they can remake that Mana game and Saga 2 they can remake Chrono across and other ps1 classics. Let me dream for that Sqauresoft PS1 classics collection. Sweet baby Jesus how is that a thing yet? :brazilcry
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Most of the Square PS1 games were trash is probably why.
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:trigger :trigger :trigger :trigger :trigger
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Better than the snes era. Which is kind of overrated besides stuff like SaGa and FFV. Let's be real, FF4 gets boring the second you've beaten it because it's always the same and is as linear as FF13. FF6 is easier than FF7; auto crossbow all damn day baby. Secret of Mana isn't that good. CT is another game as easy as or easier than FF7 and somehow still gets a pass. Then there's stuff like Live A Live, which are kinda ok? Games like Front Mission are good and have better sequels on the PlayStation.
Psx era Square has Tactics, 7-9, Parasite Eve, Einhander, Chrono Cross, Front Mission 3, Vagrant Story, Threads of Fate. Personally for me it's not even close.
I'm not saying the sfam/snes era of Square was bad but damn, people ride really to like to ride its nuts.
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Sure.
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Most of the Square PS1 games were trash is probably why.
[citation needed]
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Chrono Cross sold better than Trigger.
It did? Even with Chrono Trigger being released on SNES, PS1, and DS?
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OST is the best thing about Cross.
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Chrono Cross sold better than Trigger.
It did? Even with Chrono Trigger being released on SNES, PS1, and DS?
For the sake of discussion, let's compare first releases only. Since Cross didn't have as many official re-releases as Trigger this is an unfair comparison.
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Sure.
None of those games you listed are particularly hard though, so its kind of a moot point anyway
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Wow Queen. You have some pretty contraversial opinions but this one? This one really goes above and beyond. I can't even fathom thinking that Cross was better than Trigger.
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The most recent numbers for the different versions of Trigger put its total at somewhere around 3.4 million [2.6 million for SNES and PS1 combined, 800k for DS version]. Cross only sold 1.5 milion.
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Yeah, Queen, I'm not seeing it, although this data is VG Chartz so who knows.
Chrono Cross (PS1): Global Total as of 03rd Jun 2017 (units): 1.86m
Chrono Trigger (SNES): Global Total as of 03rd Jun 2017 (units): 2.31m
Chrono Trigger (DS): Global Total as of 03rd Jun 2017 (units): 1.34m
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Trigger also had a PS1 release.
edit: as GR notes
edit2: and yourself earlier :doge
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Let's be real, FF4 gets boring the second you've beaten it because it's always the same and is as linear as FF13.
Let's be real, it's a 1MB console game from 1991 that they made in like a year during a generation transition.
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Yeah, Queen, I'm not seeing it, although this data is VG Chartz so who knows.
The numbers I posted came from S-E's fiscal year reports, so they're accurate [as of March 2003].
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Damn. I thought they were reversed, with Cross at 2.5 and Trigger at 1. soemthing. I stand corrected.
Wow Queen. You have some pretty contraversial opinions but this one? This one really goes above and beyond. I can't even fathom thinking that Cross was better than Trigger.
Depends on what you want out of it. Trigger has better action packed pacing and characters. Cross has better everything else. Trigger isn't that fun to play to me anymore.
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Better than the snes era. Which is kind of overrated besides stuff like SaGa and FFV. Let's be real, FF4 gets boring the second you've beaten it because it's always the same and is as linear as FF13. FF6 is easier than FF7; auto crossbow all damn day baby. Secret of Mana isn't that good. CT is another game as easy as or easier than FF7 and somehow still gets a pass. Then there's stuff like Live A Live, which are kinda ok? Games like Front Mission are good and have better sequels on the PlayStation.
Psx era Square has Tactics, 7-9, Parasite Eve, Einhander, Chrono Cross, Front Mission 3, Vagrant Story, Threads of Fate. Personally for me it's not even close.
I'm not saying the sfam/snes era of Square was bad but damn, people ride really to like to ride its nuts.
I've played FF4 the most # of times aside from 1, so I dunno. Auto Crossbow isn't even a mid-tier ability in 6. Never liked Secret of Mana.
All the imo GOOD Square PS1 games have already gotten a rerelease somewhere. I have PE but can't get into it, Einhander is a shooter. ToF is a no-name game nobody remembers. FM3? Not into strat games. CC/VS/XG form my "trifecta of shit" as you may or may not remember. Those games were so the antithesis of fun for me I stopped playing any rpg's that were not FF or DQ for 10 years until I played P3 FES. So yes, imo, the PS1 era was largely a stinking pile of horse shit. Hope that answers Icy and demi.
I'd rather play games I still find fun than horrid piles of garbage.
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Einhander and Tobal 2 were good stuff. And don't people still go crazy for games like Vagrant Story?
I'm not one for RPGs, but I saw and (if only briefly) played just about everything released during the 32-bit era, since I worked at a game shop. Square put out a lot of games and there's plenty of titles people like and plenty of shit from them, too.
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I disliked VS very much.
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I loved VS back in the day. BUT I can't play it anymore. The weapons system is so obtuse that I just refuse to put up with it anymore.
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I suggest my friends FAQ for VS. check Phoenix Fire's FAQ on gfaqs if you ever give it another shot.
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I'm not sure what matsuno's magnum opus is. FFXII, VS, FFT, TO all could be described as being just that. If I were to choose one, it'd be TO, though. FFT basically just reiterated what TO already achieved, VS is great but not that influential, and FFXII he left halfway through the project.
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Y'all don't be sleeping on Legend of Mana. Though, to be fair, I love it probably more than just about anybody.
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I tried that. I wanted to go kill rabites and ended up not knowing what to do and taking it out of my system.
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No mention of the Zelda killer Musashi? Reminder that there was never a sequel
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Musashi was great too
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I thought a 2nd one came out for PS2?
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Vagrant Story is the closest we will ever come to truly knowing God
I thought a 2nd one came out for PS2?
that never happened and is a dirty lie
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Next you'll say there was a sequel to Legend of Legaia and Alundra LOL
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If it were to exist, hypothetically speaking, how much worse than Legaia would Legaia 2 be?
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Alundra was so bad. I gave it to a friend.
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Yeah, RPG's became more popular in the PS1 era, yet that era had the WORST FUCKING RPG'S THERE HAVE BEEN.
Chrono Cross: shitty battle system, WORST BATTLE MUSIC THERE EVER WAS, don't get XP from regular fights only bosses wtf?, THE STORY MADE CT POINTLESS, one of the big bad guys was a fucking furry. This game was shit and shat on CT. It deserves no love. Mitsuda can do some good music, but not fight songs. And when the fight song in an RPG is THIS FUCKING BAD, it's just a piece of shit. Worst fucking game song I've ever heard. Ever notice those guys up top didn't link it? BECAUSE ITS THAT FUCKING BAD.
Vagrant Story: pristine example of why Matsuno is a fucking hack. Shit everything. YOU FUCKING LOST ATTACK POWER IF YOUR EQUIPMENT WASN'T LINED UP CORRECTLY. Fucking stupid. And the battle system was just 'time your attacks' bullshit. Goddamn stupid ass distinguished mentally-challenged "game". I spent 2.5 hours driving to buy it (each way) and returned it the next fucking day. It was that goddamn stupid.
Xenogears: The antithesis of a good rpg. YOU TALK SO GODDAMN MUCH YOU GET SAVE POINTS BETWEEN TALKING POINTS. The battle system was lame MK3 shit. Dial-a-combo. The mech fights were boring as shit. The story was an Evangelion ripoff. All the fucking characters looked the goddamn same. Shitty artist.
Saga Frontier: Shit sequel to 3 shitty SNES sequels. Romancing SaGa remake was a pile of ass. Only good SaGa games are the first 3.
Parasite Eve: I played this the most at E3 1998. Yet when it released I got bored of it within an hour. Shitty battle system. Sequel I guess was ass too.
The PS1 era of Square RPG's woke me up. I discovered they sometimes made shit. I didn't really like Secret of Mana but I didn't find it shit. The trifecta of ass from Xenogears, Chrono Cross, and then Vagrant Story repelled me from rpg's for 10 years. And they're what I mostly play. Those 3 games are total shit. Nothing in any of them is redeemable in a gameplay standpoint. They're mostly talking bullshit. Oh and fuck you KOR'CHA CHA CHA CHA asshole.
And this is why none of the PS1 era RPG's you want weren't remade. Because they were pieces of shit. And fuck you if you say otherwise. You're a goddamn poser.
Now I'm going to bed cause I'm pretty drunk. But that's my true feelings about the "great PS1 RPG era" that fucking licked my taint. Sorry ass excuses for games.
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Queen, have you ever played the Baten Kaitos games? Chrono Cross was made with a bunch of people who would later move on to Monolith, and I think that BK/BK:Origins have a lot of elements that remind me of Cross, but more refined. Origins is one of the best Cube games.
I think Cross would have been better received if it didn't have the hefty weight of expectations of being a CT sequel. There were some great ideas, but frustrating areas (some boring dungeons and scenarios), and I wasn't too crazy about the not gaining EXP system or the too-large cast of goofy characters with little to distinguish from one another.
Also Buletta, go home you're drunk :P PS1 was the best for RPGs, imo. PS2 and DS are the most overrated platforms for the genre.
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It's almost like everyone views the system they probably first really got into rpgs on as the best or something :P
In that spirit, I would just like to point out that the Genesis probably had the best hit/miss ratio
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Most of the Square PS1 games were trash is probably why.
:holeup :kobeyuck :snoop
Can we please rename this thread to "Bulleta goes through a midlife crisis"
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If we're talking about the system that I'd most rather replay RPGs from, for me it's the PS1. Probably a lot of that is due to nostalgia, I'm sure [first RPG I played was Dragon Warrior on the NES, but I missed out on the SNES era due to having a Genesis], but I regularly go back and play the Final Fantasies, Legend of Mana, Star Ocean 2, Saga Frontier 1, Xenogears, Chrono Cross, Breath of Fire 3 and 4, Grandia, Legend of Legaia, Valkryie Profile, Wild Arms, and whatever other ones I'm forgetting and still love playing them.
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The only thing I'll really agree with Scarlet on is that Xenogears is trash and that if you like it you are bad and should feel bad
Bad, I say
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:trumps
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It's almost like everyone views the system they probably first really got into rpgs on as the best or something :P
In that spirit, I would just like to point out that the Genesis probably had the best hit/miss ratio
Uhhh. No.
I got into RPGs with ps1 but ps2 easily has the best RPGs.
:trumps
I replayed XG a few years back and still loved the shit out of it.
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Alundra was so bad. I gave it to a friend.
MODS HELP OH GOD HELP
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It's almost like everyone views the system they probably first really got into rpgs on as the best or something :P
In that spirit, I would just like to point out that the Genesis probably had the best hit/miss ratio
Uhhh. No.
I got into RPGs with ps1 but ps2 easily has the best RPGs.
:trumps
I replayed XG a few years back and still loved the shit out of it.
The veracity of the bolded statement is undermined by the opinion expressed in the underlined statement.
:holeup
(From a sheer volume standpoint though, you may be right. I just don't think anything on the PS2 hits quite the same heights as the 16/32 bit eras. But then again- nostalgia, etc.)
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fwiw i also gave up on almost all rpgs after the ps1 era too up until fairly recently - but that was because i was so bored by every rpg that wasn't made by square that i played.
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In terms of gameplay, ps2 has yet to be topped. Ps2 is the goat rpg system. Even then it gave two Classic Suikoden's.
Valkyrie Profile 2 has the best gameplay a jrpg ever had.
Breath of Fire Dragon Quarter :rejoice
Final Fantasy XII :bow :bow
SUIKODEN III and V :heartbeat
SMT3/DDS/RAIDOU 2/P3/P4
DARK CLOUD 1 and 2
FFX-2 :aah what can I do for youuuuuu
Ps2 even has remakes of classics from other systems like phantasy star II and dragon quest V.
GOAT SYSTEM. Nothing has ever topped it and nothing ever will. Ps2 era took a fucking dump on the story-based approach of the ps1 era (not that it's bad) and we got delicious gameplay out of it WHICH IS WHAT MATTERS MOST
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TBH I'm right now with this gen where Scarlet was with ps1 RPGs.
I'm just sticking to classics and a couple of RPGs that catch my attention from now on. I have now ascended to the point where I'd rather play classics than have to play a new rpg. :rejoice The fact that my autocorrect just changed rpg to dog was so, so apt. :bow
MAKE VALKYRIE PROFILE 3 OR 2 HD. Fuck Stink Ocean. It has always been shit.
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Sure.
None of those games you listed are particularly hard though, so its kind of a moot point anyway
It isn't a moot point because snes rpg stans say ps1 RPGs are so easy. Especially FF ones. The same people who stan FF6 are the same ppl who bitched about psx era FF being for babies when I can literally clear the majority of FF6 just spamming auto crossbow.
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I'm just glad Grandia II is on steam(in before Bulleta yells at me for liking it).
I wouldn't worry about it. Scarlet had the tendency to only play FF and DQ back in the day because of what she wrote above. She was disappointed by so many RPGs in the ps1 era she decided to stick to what she liked. Literally. People would ask why she played the same games all the time. I highly doubt she has played Grandia II but I could be wrong. It took me years of effort to convince her to get into SMT because I knew for a fact that she'd like it. So I have doubts she'd give Grandia II a shot.
I'm where you used to be at Scar: classics only + FF/DQ. :lol
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I think my issues with the PS2 era is it doubled the length while budgetary concerns first started creeping up, so you had the issue of filler and them dragging on. Even the legendary P3 and 4 suffered from terrible procedurally generated dungeons. Not to mention the voice acting, which was fairly painful. And FF first started taking a dive that gen (didn't care for FFX2 or 12). And some of the RPG subgenres were fairly weak - the action RPGs didn't compare favorably to the 16 and 32 bit eras, and the strategy RPGs were riddled with grindy NIS games :P
Oh don't get me wrong, there were still plenty of awesome games during that era:
DQ8, Skies of Arcadia, Baten Kaitos: Origins, Shadow Hearts 1 and 2, Tales of the Abyss, Breath of Fire Dragon Quarter, Suikoden 5, Suikoden Tactics, Valkyrie Pofile 2, Dark Cloud 2, and the SMT games finally getting their due in the US.
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The random dungeons in persona games comes from the fact you climb a tower to make it similar to games such as Druaga...it wasn't because of budget concerns especially given SMT3/DDS/Raidou. It was a deliberate design decision and nod.
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The PS2 era is problematic for me to rate because Dragon Quarter skews things, but it's such a departure from most of the rest of the era in just about every way that I'm almost fine giving it its own separate category.
Also, most of the titles for me fall into the "fine, but..." category, where I like some aspect of it (sphere grid and battle system in FFX, job/outfit system in FFX-2) but others I find- and this is totally personal preference, and subjective, and I'm willing to acknowledge it- so god awful that they actively detract from the overall exprience. (eg, story and characters in FFX, story and characters in FFX-2, collect em all BS in various Suikodens)
Wait... has Scarlet not played Dragon Quarter???
:jeanluc
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That's fair. I love FFX, and while FFX-2 has flaws I think there's enough to like other stuff. I'm usually never bothered enough by story to drop it if the gameplay is good and while FFX-2 for instance had some weird, wild stuff I also think it has a lot of great story stuff for fans of X.
I have always been addicted to the Suikoden formula but you certainly don't have to catch em all if you don't want to.
Another problem is that all the games you listed are story-based games. I truly think you would have came out liking the generation better if you played more gameplay focused titles like VP2, FFXII, both Dark Cloud's, and the SMT's. I seriously didn't give a shit about story at all by the end of the gen and only played Suikoden games for story. The great thing about the gen is that if you liked story you had options there too (Xenosaga, Shadow Hearts, Tales of the Abyss and Symphonia;etc) there was literally something for everyone that gen. I just gravitated towards the gameplay focused ones with a nice helping of Suikoden and DQ for my story needs.
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You mispelled Stink Ocean.
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There's a reason they're named Tri-Ace.
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Vallyrie profile 1 and 2 are godlike I won't let you besmirch their name because of Stink Ocean
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I want to play Resonance of Fate, but that's because of a weird cut scene I saw on youtube once.
The combat is repetitive, but otherwise it is a pretty great game.
I could never get into Chrono Cross, but otherwise I like most of the popular PS1 RPGs.
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As long as we all agree that the Star Ocean series sucks I think we'll be fine.
Star Ocean 2 is better than like every game mentioned in this thread so far :P
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Star Ocean [especially the PSP remake] and Star Ocean Second Story are both great games. I will absolutely stand by that.
5 is a garbage-tier game and feels bare, though. 4 is at least a complete game, just not a very good one. 3 is alright, though.
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playing star ocean is worse than dying from untreated septic shock. including star ocean 2.
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FAKE NEWS
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Vagrant Story shits on everything from the ps1 and ps2 era of rpgs. Combat system built around experimentation, knowledge, and skill. Fantastic writing and not too much of it. Skippable cutscenes. Oppressive and dark atmosphere without trying too hard.
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you ever seen a random dog slowly bleed out on the side of the road? I guarantee you it's more enjoyable than your memories of star ocean.
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My experience with SO3: meeting a cat girl and taking it out of my system.
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my experience with so2: whole team gets wiped by a boss except for one girl who can avoid all his attacks as long as she stays put and keeps doing the same move. however, she screams like a donkey every single time she does the move. the fight takes forty-five minutes.
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you ever seen a random dog slowly bleed out on the side of the road? I guarantee you it's more enjoyable than your memories of star ocean.
Who's talking about old memories? I dropped 20 hours into Star Ocean 2 just this past year, breh. :lol
my experience with so2: whole team gets wiped by a boss except for one girl
lmao git gud scrub
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As long as we all agree that the Star Ocean series sucks I think we'll be fine.
Star Ocean 2 is better than like every game mentioned in this thread so far :P
HOW DO YOU WEEB SO WRONG???
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Vagrant Story shits on everything from the ps1 and ps2 era of rpgs. Combat system built around experimentation, knowledge, and skill. Fantastic writing and not too much of it. Skippable cutscenes. Oppressive and dark atmosphere without trying too hard.
Wasn't too enthused with Vagrant Story tbh. I mean it looks and sounds great, and has some cool ideas, but I'm past the point where I need to take a college course to learn about a weapon affinity system, and Matsuno political drama stories are :zzz
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For Vagrant Story, I guessed a monster's type, figure out if they're armored, craft weapons that fit different needs or types, adapt and use magic along the way.
The story is pretty straight forward too, compared to other games at the time. Its paced pretty well with gameplay.
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vagrant story makes you do shit beyond using weapons with various affinities and that seems to piss people off lol. you gotta use counters, break arts, item buffs, etc. cant just cheese your way thru the game.
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I have Grandia 2 for the Dreamcast. Bought it like 10 years ago. Started it up, then got distracted and forgot about it. Someday I'll play it. Won't play Dragon Quarter. Got burned by BoF 1 and 2 and refuse to play any other games in the series. Dragona tried to get me to get Dragon Quarter but no.
Icy, you should try a fan hack of FF6 sometime called Brave New World. It rebalances a LOT in the game and it's a good deal harder. Not stupid hard like FFT 1.3, a good challenge. I played it co-op last year and it was a lot of fun. Stats other than magic affect a lot of abilities.
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Dragon Quarter is drastically different from any of the previous games in the series, to the point where there was actually some backlash against it initially. And 3 and 4 are significantly better iterations of what 1 and 2 were doing.
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Dragon Quarter is SO different from the prior games it may as well be from a different series. But I'm sure you've heard that already.
edit: I really need to refresh tabs before I post...
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I have Grandia 2 for the Dreamcast. Bought it like 10 years ago. Started it up, then got distracted and forgot about it. Someday I'll play it. Won't play Dragon Quarter. Got burned by BoF 1 and 2 and refuse to play any other games in the series. Dragona tried to get me to get Dragon Quarter but no.
Icy, you should try a fan hack of FF6 sometime called Brave New World. It rebalances a LOT in the game and it's a good deal harder. Not stupid hard like FFT 1.3, a good challenge. I played it co-op last year and it was a lot of fun. Stats other than magic affect a lot of abilities.
Sounds like a blast. FFT is already challenging without cheesing it IMO. Never got the point of 1.3
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Some fights in that took me 6+ hours. The first part of the last boss took me about 10. Very last boss took about 30 mins.
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Wait, what game
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FFT 1.3 I'm guessing
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https://www.twitch.tv/videos/47700919
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I have Grandia 2 for the Dreamcast. Bought it like 10 years ago. Started it up, then got distracted and forgot about it. Someday I'll play it. Won't play Dragon Quarter. Got burned by BoF 1 and 2 and refuse to play any other games in the series. Dragona tried to get me to get Dragon Quarter but no.
Icy, you should try a fan hack of FF6 sometime called Brave New World. It rebalances a LOT in the game and it's a good deal harder. Not stupid hard like FFT 1.3, a good challenge. I played it co-op last year and it was a lot of fun. Stats other than magic affect a lot of abilities.
Brave New World is so bad. I get the appeal but ugh.
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Star Ocean 4 has the best story and cut scenes in the series imo, the others are just tediously bad while 4's are entertainingly awful
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I have Grandia 2 for the Dreamcast. Bought it like 10 years ago. Started it up, then got distracted and forgot about it. Someday I'll play it. Won't play Dragon Quarter. Got burned by BoF 1 and 2 and refuse to play any other games in the series. Dragona tried to get me to get Dragon Quarter but no.
Icy, you should try a fan hack of FF6 sometime called Brave New World. It rebalances a LOT in the game and it's a good deal harder. Not stupid hard like FFT 1.3, a good challenge. I played it co-op last year and it was a lot of fun. Stats other than magic affect a lot of abilities.
Brave New World is so bad. I get the appeal but ugh.
I thought it was fun in co-op.