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Title: Final Fantasy IX is the best JRPG ever made
Post by: CurseoftheGods on November 14, 2017, 01:34:50 PM
and it's on iOS.

I never appreciated it until now.

I played it on easy mode in iOS and I can't fathom why anyone would want anymore than this.

this is truly the best JRPG I have ever played
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IX is the best JRPG ever made
Post by: Himu on November 14, 2017, 01:39:57 PM
if ffix is the best jrpg you prolly need to play more jrpgs no offense
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IX is the best JRPG ever made
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 14, 2017, 01:41:35 PM
FF9 isn't even top 5 on the PS1.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IX is the best JRPG ever made
Post by: HardcoreRetro on November 14, 2017, 01:41:41 PM
Yeah, the best one is obviously FFVI.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IX is the best JRPG ever made
Post by: demi on November 14, 2017, 01:57:16 PM
Its one of the best dont listen to these virgins
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IX is the best JRPG ever made
Post by: Positive Touch on November 14, 2017, 02:21:56 PM
i love the game and the series but even I don't get the rabid following. it's a good solid game and not much more.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IX is the best JRPG ever made
Post by: Akala on November 14, 2017, 02:36:46 PM
I mean it's better than VIII but come on
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IX is the best JRPG ever made
Post by: AdmiralViscen on November 14, 2017, 02:48:28 PM
The game is very good
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IX is the best JRPG ever made
Post by: Raist on November 14, 2017, 03:11:10 PM
It's certainly up there. Not THE best tho.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IX is the best JRPG ever made
Post by: archie4208 on November 14, 2017, 03:29:23 PM
That's not Chrono Trigger.  ???
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IX is the best JRPG ever made
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 14, 2017, 05:39:56 PM
It's really good but gets overrated because it went back to a more lighthearted tone after the GRIM DARK SRS BSNS of VII and especially VIII.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IX is the best JRPG ever made
Post by: Fifstar on November 14, 2017, 05:47:54 PM
Slooooooooooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww game.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IX is the best JRPG ever made
Post by: desert punk on November 14, 2017, 05:49:02 PM
Not sure about it being the best JRPG, but it's pretty much one of the best FFs. It's certainly the most charming out of the bunch.

It's a fucking shame squenix never got back to using ATEs :(
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IX is the best JRPG ever made
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on November 14, 2017, 06:41:58 PM
Sure it is, until you're sitting there waiting for a minute to spend 2 seconds pushing buttons then wait another minute to see the characters act on your inputs.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IX is the best JRPG ever made
Post by: blaze on November 14, 2017, 06:57:51 PM
Give it fast forward and it's one of my favourites.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IX is the best JRPG ever made
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on November 14, 2017, 09:01:43 PM
It's really good but gets overrated because it went back to a more lighthearted tone after the GRIM DARK SRS BSNS of VII and especially VIII.

I'm never entirely sure how games that involve shit like half naked body builders owning gaudy casinos, crossdressing and seducing a land lord, worldwide card games that everyone seems to know how to play,  ridiculous subweapons like megaphones, dogs and swords that also shoot bullets, and characters like a black military man with a gun for an arm, a remote controlled cat riding a giant stuffed moogle, a ninja played entirely for laughs, a martial artist that stuffs his face with hot dogs, a ditz that loves trains and a sniper that can't shoot for shit get tagged as "grim dark srs bsns".

Yet earlier games that involve war, mass murder, death of people 5 minutes after you meet them, a literal brooding dark knight redemption story, continents getting erased off the map, a demon emperor who dies, is sent to hell then comes back to life because he took over hell, the literal embodiment of DARKNESS being summoned to destroy everything, etc somehow don't get the same treatment.  :thinking

FF has always been stupid. If anything the games have gotten more and more lighthearted with totally out there plots, characters and settings until Matsuno penned FF12 to be the most dour entry possible.

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In the time it took me to write this, FF9 still wouldn't have loaded a random battle.  :shh
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Title: Re: Final Fantasy IX is the best JRPG ever made
Post by: tiesto on November 14, 2017, 09:26:27 PM
I think I need to try the PC version with the speedup features, since the original game was a bit too slow. Still a great game, with the charm and whimsy that modern day FF is sorely lacking in.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IX is the best JRPG ever made
Post by: mormapope on November 14, 2017, 09:38:22 PM
FF9 is darker than some remember it being. It has a really colorful and whimsical setting, art style in general. But theres a fmv on disc 2 of an entire mountain village thats beautiful, getting wrecked by suicidal magic dolls, manufactured beings.

Forgot lil black mage dudes' name, but its always especially sad and terrifying that he's seeing similar peeps used like that.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IX is the best JRPG ever made
Post by: Himu on November 14, 2017, 09:50:15 PM
It's really good but gets overrated because it went back to a more lighthearted tone after the GRIM DARK SRS BSNS of VII and especially VIII.

I'm never entirely sure how games that involve shit like half naked body builders owning gaudy casinos, crossdressing and seducing a land lord, worldwide card games that everyone seems to know how to play,  ridiculous subweapons like megaphones, dogs and swords that also shoot bullets, and characters like a black military an with a gun for an arm, a remote controlled cat riding a giant stuffed moogle, a ninja played entirely for laughs, a martial artist that stuffs his face with hot dogs, a ditz that loves trains and a sniper that can't shoot for shit get tagged as "grim dark srs bsns".

Yet earlier games that involve war, mass murder, death of people 5 minutes after you meet them, a literal brooding dark knight redemption story, continents getting erased off the map, a demon emperor who dies, is sent to hell then comes back to life because he took over hell, the literal embodiment of DARKNESS being summoned to destroy everything, etc somehow don't get the same treatment.  :thinking

FF has always been stupid. If anything the game have gotten more and more lighthearted with totally out there plots, characters and settings until Matsuno penned FF12 to be the most dour entry possible.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
In the time it took me to write this, FF9 still wouldn't have loaded a random battle.  :shh
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:lol this post. Please stamp and enshrine it. :bow

FFVII and VIII being billed as srs business has always been butt fucking stupid. The darkest element of VIII for instance is that they're child soldiers. FF has always had a mix light harder and seriousness. VII and VIII are no different.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IX is the best JRPG ever made
Post by: hungrynoob on November 15, 2017, 12:12:12 AM
(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/48/48e484e8aada72c3100c66a36a2dfd005a4404068d998fdbc8fe0f175a491f53.jpg)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IX is the best JRPG ever made
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 15, 2017, 12:53:09 AM
LIGHT HEARTED AND WHIMSICAL
(https://www.hubofleather.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Final-Fantasy-VIII-Squall-Leonhart-Jacket.png)

DARK AND BROODING
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/1/11/Dissidia_Zidane.png/revision/latest?cb=20101216073836)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IX is the best JRPG ever made
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on November 15, 2017, 01:23:31 AM
Squall is a socially akward dork that doesn't know how to interact with people despite actually being well intentioned. His biggest fear is ending up alone despite his best efforts to be friendly, so he chooses to push people away in the first place. He falls in love, resolves to try to change himself and does what he can to protect the people important to him.

Like, I know spin off media likes to flanderize protagonists and zero in on just specific parts of their personality, but it's not like its hard to play their games and see that there's more to them than that.

Zidane has a dark broody moment where he's confronted with the truth that he's just one of a series of clones created to become literal ANGELS OF DEATH. Somehow people forget that part of the story tho.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IX is the best JRPG ever made
Post by: Himu on November 15, 2017, 06:14:02 AM
LIGHT HEARTED AND WHIMSICAL
(https://www.hubofleather.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Final-Fantasy-VIII-Squall-Leonhart-Jacket.png)

DARK AND BROODING
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/1/11/Dissidia_Zidane.png/revision/latest?cb=20101216073836)

The entire point is that a game with Laguna is hardly dark and brooding. Or the shit with Seifer at the beginning on the way to Dollet. FFVIII has a clear sense of humor and is light hearted at many times. The same is true for VII. Cloud dressing up as a girl, the wonky translation, a walking stuffed animal lead by a cat with a megaphone, anything regarding Yuffie, Barret and Red XIII in SAILOR UNIFORMS and Red has to walk on two feet to pretend to be human, that fucking crazy ass play at the Gold Saucer. There is nothing to indicate FFVII or VIII as dark, brooding games.

Yet somehow FFVI gets a pass with its killing half the world population thing, poisoning entire towns, suicide, and "what is love?"

It's just kinda absurd.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IX is the best JRPG ever made
Post by: Himu on November 15, 2017, 06:18:40 AM
Squall is a socially akward dork that doesn't know how to interact with people despite actually being well intentioned. His biggest fear is ending up alone despite his best efforts to be friendly, so he chooses to push people away in the first place. He falls in love, resolves to try to change himself and does what he can to protect the people important to him.

Like, I know spin off media likes to flanderize protagonists and zero in on just specific parts of their personality, but it's not like its hard to play their games and see that there's more to them than that.

Zidane has a dark broody moment where he's confronted with the truth that he's just one of a series of clones created to become literal ANGELS OF DEATH. Somehow people forget that part of the story tho.

Even spinoff media paints Squall as a lovable badass dork. It's cloud who gets shit end of this deal, let's be honest. Who honestly hates Leon in Kingdom Hearts? He's pretty cool. I love how they treat his character in spin offs and I have high standards given he is my favorite protagonist.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IX is the best JRPG ever made
Post by: toku on November 15, 2017, 08:47:12 AM
last two or so discs of 9 are pretty bleak arent they? plus the whole black mage shit

ff games are a bit weird for me in that the only ones i actually remember significant parts of are 8, X and 12
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IX is the best JRPG ever made
Post by: Rufus on November 15, 2017, 09:36:12 AM
FF9 is darker than some remember it being. It has a really colorful and whimsical setting, art style in general. But theres a fmv on disc 2 of an entire mountain village thats beautiful, getting wrecked by suicidal magic dolls, manufactured beings.

Forgot lil black mage dudes' name, but its always especially sad and terrifying that he's seeing similar peeps used like that.
Vivi. His story and arc is the best.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IX is the best JRPG ever made
Post by: Positive Touch on November 15, 2017, 10:55:40 AM
last two or so discs of 9 are pretty bleak arent they? plus the whole black mage shit

ff games are a bit weird for me in that the only ones i actually remember significant parts of are 8, X and 12

i mean on the whole the plot is pretty bleak, with millions of people dying in a war and whole civilizations being wiped out. it just keeps an upbeat tone around the characters is all.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IX is the best JRPG ever made
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 15, 2017, 12:53:52 PM
last two or so discs of 9 are pretty bleak arent they? plus the whole black mage shit

ff games are a bit weird for me in that the only ones i actually remember significant parts of are 8, X and 12

i mean on the whole the plot is pretty bleak, with millions of people dying in a war and whole civilizations being wiped out. it just keeps an upbeat tone around the characters is all.

This is the main point. Pretty much most rpgs tend to have "saving the world from destruction" plots, in which lots of people die or are threatened with death to drive home the stakes of the plot. That kinda comes with the territory.

The difference is- are the main characters likable or emo douches? I'd say that as far as the PS1 era FFs go, VII is a mixed bag, VIII is waaaaaaay into emo douche territory, and IX is a likable bunch. YMMV, obvs. But if it does you're wrong.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IX is the best JRPG ever made
Post by: Bebpo on November 15, 2017, 01:20:00 PM
It's pretty good and I'd argue has the best soundtrack from VII->IX and maybe best art. The characters are a bit uninteresting, but the story has some neat twists. The Alexander CG movie is dope. I think the biggest thing against it back during PS1 days was the battle system was SLOW for an FF game. With the newer versions that speed that up I'm sure it's great. I should replay it one day.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IX is the best JRPG ever made
Post by: hampster on November 15, 2017, 01:33:15 PM
It's not Final Fantasy Tactics but it's pretty great :heart

USgamer's rpg podcast has been going through it and it's been fun to listen to
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IX is the best JRPG ever made
Post by: a slime appears on November 15, 2017, 09:10:09 PM
Final Fantasy on PS1 is a great litmus test;
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IX is the best JRPG ever made
Post by: eleuin on November 15, 2017, 09:30:22 PM
PSX FF

8 > 9 > 7
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IX is the best JRPG ever made
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 15, 2017, 09:31:35 PM
Final Fantasy on PS1 is a great litmus test;
  • FF7 attracts the socially stunted
  • FF8 attracts sexual deviants
  • FF9 is played by intellectuals

What if you like all three?  :snob
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IX is the best JRPG ever made
Post by: Bebpo on November 15, 2017, 09:38:05 PM
Final Fantasy on PS1 is a great litmus test;
  • FF7 attracts the socially stunted
  • FF8 attracts sexual deviants
  • FF9 is played by intellectuals

You forgot,

FF9 attracts furries
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IX is the best JRPG ever made
Post by: Himu on November 15, 2017, 09:41:24 PM
Final Fantasy on PS1 is a great litmus test;
  • FF7 attracts the socially stunted
  • FF8 attracts sexual deviants
  • FF9 is played by intellectuals

What if you like all three?  :snob

Then you just have good taste
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IX is the best JRPG ever made
Post by: hampster on November 15, 2017, 10:55:39 PM
The other day I was trying to track down the PlayOnline FFIX guide but it doesn't seem to be up anymore
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IX is the best JRPG ever made
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on November 16, 2017, 12:10:53 AM
Final Fantasy on PS1 is a great litmus test;
  • FF7 attracts the socially stunted
  • FF8 attracts sexual deviants
  • FF9 is played by intellectuals
I can't at all sign up for FF9 being an "Intellectuals" game.
Light hearted? Sure.
Story focused? OK.
Swash buckling? Why not?
Intellectual? Whoa there. Slow down.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IX is the best JRPG ever made
Post by: Trent Dole on November 16, 2017, 03:11:10 AM
They're all for plebs cause they're FF. :teehee
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IX is the best JRPG ever made
Post by: demi on November 16, 2017, 08:06:38 AM
Only intellectuals have the fat cock and fat brain to do 1000 jump ropes. Stay basic, pussies
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IX is the best JRPG ever made
Post by: tiesto on November 16, 2017, 09:58:43 AM
7 > 9 >>>>>>>>>>> 8
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IX is the best JRPG ever made
Post by: demi on November 16, 2017, 11:30:48 AM
why was six afraid of seven
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IX is the best JRPG ever made
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 16, 2017, 11:49:01 AM
Sure it is, until you're sitting there waiting for a minute to spend 2 seconds pushing buttons then wait another minute to see the characters act on your inputs.

Not an issue on remakes.

FF9  :heartbeat

GOOCH. 

Blue Dragon, The Last Story, and Lost Odyssey were also all good since he got shitcanned after The Spirits Within.

I've always maintained: JD has trash opinions on politics but pretty good taste in games.

 :respect
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IX is the best JRPG ever made
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 16, 2017, 12:57:27 PM
happy that 2 decades later this still produces debate  :lol

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7>8>9
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7>8>12>11>9>10
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11>14
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Title: Re: Final Fantasy IX is the best JRPG ever made
Post by: Rusty Shackleford on November 17, 2017, 01:45:24 PM
FF 7-9 - especially 9! - are the only reasons I still have a PSP. Get that urge to play one of them once in a while and dust off the old PSP and get its 2006 battery out of the freezer.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IX is the best JRPG ever made
Post by: Trent Dole on November 17, 2017, 06:22:34 PM
happy that 2 decades later this still produces debate  :lol

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7>8>9
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7>8>12>11>9>10
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11>14
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play the snes ffs you fgt
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IX is the best JRPG ever made
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 18, 2017, 01:58:20 AM
I played them, just didnt include them because i played them after the ps ones so its impossible to put them into this ranking