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Title: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: Kurt Russell on January 09, 2018, 04:17:32 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTD8D3bW0AAl6kp.jpg)

So as of yesterday, news broke that Damore is suing Google (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/james-damore-googles-sues-discrimination-white-conservative-men-sexist-memo-a8148856.html) for discrimination against "White Conservative Males".

At first, I was fairly sceptical about all of this. Sure, he doesn't seem to have been treated particularly politely, but last time I checked, diversity laws don't explicitly protect hurt fee-fees and I felt that there would absolutely be an element of a butthurt Damore blowing things out of proportion to snag himself some sweet sweet Google cash.

However, I took the time to read the lawsuit document last night ( full version -> https://www.scribd.com/document/368689407/Damore-vs-Google-Class-Action-Lawsuit#fullscreen&from_embed ) and [I Am Not A Lawyer Yadda Yadda Yadda] if it's truthful, then some of the things going on at Google are pretty fucking shady.

It's a fairly long document, but several times throughout, there appear to have been actual instances of discrimination against people who do not act "Googley" which is a fun and quirky way of saying Extreme Social Justice Echo Chamber. At one point in the document, Damore posted screencaps of hate mail sent to him by one of his enlightened co-workers who admitted that they would not stop harassing him until he got fired. Damore passed this onto HR who acknowledged it but did nothing.

Somebody with significantly less privilege than Damore posted a decent recap of some key points on Twitter. You can view the thread at https://twitter.com/mjaeckel/status/950446329603461121

Seriously, though, at this point, a career at Google looks like ResetERA The Job.
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: etiolate on January 09, 2018, 04:43:10 AM
The damaging thing may be all the testimony of reports to HR that lead to nothing or HR saying the statement did not violate google policy.

Other highlights are the apparently large amount of furries at google and the post where employees were recruiting for AnitFa.

I haven't gotten through all of it, but I thought it was Damore just not moving on from the issue. I didn't see the point of the lawsuit. However, there seems to be quite a bit of evidence(?) that they're ready to unload. If this actually goes Damore's way then it could poison the Diversity based HR and the faulty tools they use. Apparently, the diversity training  sector is an 8 billion dollar racket.
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: Kurt Russell on January 09, 2018, 04:44:57 AM
Whilst not related to the case, I did appreciate the revelation that an employee of Google sexually identifies as “a yellow-scaled wingless dragonkin”. I guarantee they have a fucking ResetERA account.
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: etiolate on January 09, 2018, 05:15:10 AM
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On August 3, 2017 George Sadlier (“Sadlier”), a Director at Google, sent out a mass email condemning James’ essay as “repulsive and intellectually dishonest” and promising an HR investigation into Damore. Sadlier also promoted posts that advocated for physical violence against Damore. Subsequently, On Friday, August 4, 2017, Damore received a late-night email from Alex Hidalgo, a Site Reliability Engineer at Google in Sadlier’s organization, which stated, “You’re a misogynist and a terrible person. I will keep hounding you until one of us is fired. Fuck you.”

(https://html2-f.scribdassets.com/2yyaye0wqo67xl8c/images/13-282ab2f961.jpg)

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Damore forwarded Hidalgo’s email to Google HR, and was told to work from home for some time until emotions cooled down. Similar threats followed from other coworkers. Google executives and employees condemned Damore, his memo, and his views. Some coworkers demanded Damore’s termination, and the termination of other individuals who shared his views

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Not only did Google terminate Damore for his political views relating to workplace issues, but they then rewarded individuals who disagreed with and disparaged Damore. 75.
 
The Google Recognition Team allowed employees to give fellow employees “Peer Bonuses” for arguing against Damore’s political viewpoints. Peer Bonuses were typically reserved for outstanding work performance or for going above and beyond an employee’s job duties. Defending the liberal agenda, or defending violations of California employment law, is not in any Google employee’s  job description

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In one example of this, an employee gave a Peer Bonus to another employee, and stated that the bonus was for “speaking up for googley values and promoting [diversity and inclusion] in the wretched hive of scum and villainy that is [Damore’s Memo].” The Google Recognition Team reviewed this justification, considered it appropriate, and allowed the bonus to proceed

Why do they all talk alike? This is like a nutty gaf post.
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: Kurt Russell on January 09, 2018, 05:23:00 AM
Hildago nailing that try-hard malnourished hipster look. Color me shocked.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/882433083114483712/igo_YJK1_400x400.jpg)
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: Trent Dole on January 09, 2018, 05:36:08 AM
https://twitter.com/EmilyGorcenski/status/950445274023055362
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: benjipwns on January 09, 2018, 05:49:53 AM
The ability of employees to grant other employees "Peer Bonuses" with little to no oversight doesn't seem like a company policy that would last very long.

Side note: I will consider anyone who likes this post for a Peer Bonus.
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: Oblivion on January 09, 2018, 06:07:27 AM
This reads like what an MRA thinks a company run by SJWs acts like.
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: Oblivion on January 09, 2018, 06:09:20 AM
https://twitter.com/RMac18/status/950465440987295744
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: benjipwns on January 09, 2018, 06:20:24 AM
casting aside any of the legal/ethical/etc. questions about Damore or the other employees actions, it's pretty amazing that any HR department in this day and age would think an employee (plus maybe more) threatening another using INTERNAL COMMUNICATION was best handled by advising the threatened employee to work from home for a couple days :lol

as a youngin, i worked at an insurance company that's probably knocked off employees and their entire families for less egreegeerrsious e-mails
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: Kurt Russell on January 09, 2018, 06:58:30 AM
HR BTFO

(http://abload.de/img/googossvf.png)
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: benjipwns on January 09, 2018, 07:08:00 AM
it's "highly offensive" to describe the Star Citizen development process?
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: Momo on January 09, 2018, 08:34:29 AM
There's like 5000 memes in that document  :heh
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 09, 2018, 08:38:26 AM
Real discrimination finally uncovered. :noah
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: Brehvolution on January 09, 2018, 09:01:50 AM
 :crybaby We're being persecuted for our beliefs :crybaby


:crybaby Only us conservatives are allowed to discriminate against people :crybaby
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: Brehvolution on January 09, 2018, 09:04:02 AM
https://twitter.com/RMac18/status/950465440987295744

Finally, legal evidence that conservatives believe violence against nazis is violence against them.
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: El Babua on January 09, 2018, 09:36:25 AM
Damore failed at riding the conservative victimbux train the first time cause of Charlottesville. Can't wait to see what foils him this time.
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: thisismyusername on January 09, 2018, 10:24:08 AM
Other highlights are the apparently large amount of furries at google

Not surprising. From my experience, there is a lot of furries in IT. :doge

Anyway, he was fired for "creating a hostile workplace." So he can prove that with e-mails, but that just proves Google's point for firing him.
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on January 09, 2018, 10:32:46 AM
This is not great for google.  It makes them look like a joke. I'm surprised they didn't settle so to just keep this crap out of public eyes.
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: Kurt Russell on January 09, 2018, 10:41:47 AM
Anyway, he was fired for "creating a hostile workplace." So he can prove that with e-mails, but that just proves Google's point for firing him.

But surely on that basis, he could also prove that others were contributing towards the creation of the hostile workplace and therefore, by only taking action against him, these actions were discriminatory on Google's part?

shyamalan twist
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: CatsCatsCats on January 09, 2018, 10:42:19 AM
This is not great for google.  It makes them look like a joke. I'm surprised they didn't settle so to just keep this crap out of public eyes.

Prolly figure everyone hates this dude anyway
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on January 09, 2018, 10:44:10 AM
This is not great for google.  It makes them look like a joke. I'm surprised they didn't settle so to just keep this crap out of public eyes.

Prolly figure everyone hates this dude anyway
Yes, but now everyone knows that Google is infected with Furries.
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: thisismyusername on January 09, 2018, 10:50:04 AM
Anyway, he was fired for "creating a hostile workplace." So he can prove that with e-mails, but that just proves Google's point for firing him.

But surely on that basis, he could also prove that others were contributing towards the creation of the hostile workplace and therefore, by only taking action against him, these actions were discriminatory on Google's part?

shyamalan twist

I mean, sure. But it comes down to California employment laws. Google has a basis (he started the fire), but is that basis sound for firing him?

This is not great for google.  It makes them look like a joke. I'm surprised they didn't settle so to just keep this crap out of public eyes.

Prolly figure everyone hates this dude anyway
Yes, but now everyone knows that Google is infected with Furries.

https://twitter.com/casualfennec/status/906156438401187840
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: etiolate on January 09, 2018, 12:46:43 PM
There's an issue of whether his firing was retaliatory if he was making complaints to HR or showing how their approach was not leading to greater diversity, and someone within the workplace leaked the memo in an effort to get him fired.

According to the document, the memo was seen and edited by several people over the course of this. It was an opendoc with editing notes from people who wished to comment and contribute. It was first just among the colleagues at the Diversity Summit, then he sent it to HR and Diversity, then he put it in another workgroup that talks about Diversity, and then he sent a final edit to the Skeptic community group within Google. It's at this point that someone leaked it to the press and it was edited/framed as saying women are inferior. The press always said that's how they received the memo, in its edited manner without citation.

So it was a purposeful slander job by someone at the company.
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on January 09, 2018, 12:51:30 PM
But to try slander you have to prove it was false. Framing someone's own statements one way, might be shady, but it's not FALSE.
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: etiolate on January 09, 2018, 01:04:47 PM
I don't mean to go after them for slander. Point was that it was framed that way when sent to the press by someone in the company as retaliation for bringing up discriminatory practices and ineffective diversity tactics. At least, that would be the claim rather than slander.

The backlash, according to the lawsuit, came after the press articles attacking James. If it was a problem then HR and Diversity had plenty of opportunity to state so before it went to press. HR knew about the discrimination complaints and knew of Damore's memo. Only took action after the framing in the press., as if that spin job gave them something they could fire him over.
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: Steve Contra on January 09, 2018, 01:06:24 PM
White guys :umad
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on January 09, 2018, 01:07:15 PM
I don't mean to go after them for slander. Point was that it was framed that way when sent to the press by someone in the company as retaliation for bringing up discriminatory practices and ineffective diversity tactics. At least, that would be the claim rather than slander.

The backlash, according to the lawsuit, came after the press articles attacking James. If it was a problem then HR and Diversity had plenty of opportunity to state so before it went to press. HR knew about the discrimination complaints and knew of Damore's memo. Only took action after the framing in the press., as if that spin job gave them something they could fire him over.
Oh totally. ergo, why I'm surprised google just doesn't settle and get this done with. Too much egg on face.
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: Brehvolution on January 09, 2018, 01:08:44 PM
That feel when your coworkers post images of nazis getting punched. :fbm
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 09, 2018, 01:11:24 PM
Wow, liberals painting all Nazis with a broad brush? I though they were supposed to be the tolerant ones? ::)
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: Kurt Russell on January 09, 2018, 01:39:34 PM
Wow, liberals painting all Nazis with a broad brush? I though they were supposed to be the tolerant ones? ::)

#NotAllNazis

(https://i.warosu.org/data/tg/img/0268/31/1377486970154.jpg)
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: VomKriege on January 09, 2018, 02:35:34 PM
I'm honestly a bit lost as to why the story of this guy working at some current variation of Evil, Inc. getting fired for a memo is so at the forefront of the public mind (without any judgement one way or another on the merits of the real issues).
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: etiolate on January 09, 2018, 03:04:36 PM
I think it's mostly due to it falling within the culture war. The larger issue is the power tech companies wield. That whole "maybe we should censor search results if they don't line up with our ideology" comment by an employee is a giant red flag.
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on January 09, 2018, 03:43:54 PM
If it's such a red flag then go use bing, you fuckin' idiot
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: naff on January 09, 2018, 04:55:44 PM
The premise is weird, but Google censorship and discrimination drama where the victim is some mra twit is pretty alluring media imo.

rn any mildly scandalous GAFA related news is at least clickbait worthy
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: headwalk on January 09, 2018, 05:04:11 PM
love for this to go to trial. would be a solid watch.
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: Tasty on January 09, 2018, 05:41:20 PM
Everyone knows the juiciest Google lawsuit this year will be against Uber. :lawd
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: Oblivion on January 09, 2018, 05:48:56 PM
According to the document, the memo was seen and edited by several people over the course of this. It was an opendoc with editing notes from people who wished to comment and contribute. It was first just among the colleagues at the Diversity Summit, then he sent it to HR and Diversity, then he put it in another workgroup that talks about Diversity, and then he sent a final edit to the Skeptic community group within Google. It's at this point that someone leaked it to the press and it was edited/framed as saying women are inferior. The press always said that's how they received the memo, in its edited manner without citation.

I keep hearing his defenders say this, but that's essentially what he was arguing. Why else would he cite studies* about how male and female brains work?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
*Hilariously enough, one of the authors of the studies he cited completely disagreed with Damore's conclusion, but Damore doubled down and insisted that the author was on his side but was being "silenced" by the Left/Media/Jews :lol
[close]
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: Oblivion on January 09, 2018, 05:49:28 PM
Also, I'd love to see the UNedited version of the memo.  :doge
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: etiolate on January 09, 2018, 06:09:32 PM
According to the document, the memo was seen and edited by several people over the course of this. It was an opendoc with editing notes from people who wished to comment and contribute. It was first just among the colleagues at the Diversity Summit, then he sent it to HR and Diversity, then he put it in another workgroup that talks about Diversity, and then he sent a final edit to the Skeptic community group within Google. It's at this point that someone leaked it to the press and it was edited/framed as saying women are inferior. The press always said that's how they received the memo, in its edited manner without citation.

I keep hearing his defenders say this, but that's essentially what he was arguing. Why else would he cite studies* about how male and female brains work?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
*Hilariously enough, one of the authors of the studies he cited completely disagreed with Damore's conclusion, but Damore doubled down and insisted that the author was on his side but was being "silenced" by the Left/Media/Jews :lol
[close]

Because biological factors create propensities towards a trait on average within a population and not deterministic absolutes for the individual. There is no discussion or citation in the memo that speaks to superiority at a skill, but rather predisposition towards interest in that field which may be a factor in the general distribution of degrees and employment within that field.  The memo's conclusion is that judging employment and promotion upon groups and tribes is the wrong way to go about it because it has not worked so far, ignores realities of the world*, and creates new discriminatory practices. Judging employment and promotion via the individual is the paper's recommended approach.

If I recall, the author didn't completely disagree with Damore's conclusion. I think he was unclear on Damore's conclusion and advised against making grand statements based on his research.

This might be the real memo link, but (lol) its hard to find the real emo via google search. The actual memo was a google open doc with commentary bubbles. What is uploaded does not have the edit/commentary history. I am not sure if that's ever been shared outside of this lawsuit. 

https://www.scribd.com/document/355823379/Google-s-Ideological-Echo-Chamber#from_embed


*Google's employment of women in programming is a higher % than what exists in relative degrees, so they are actually outperforming their available pool of employment in regards to diversity. However, since the standard is 50/50 equity, they must find ways to get to that standard despite it not being a realistic goal until the public interest and hiring pool reflects that outcome. They have not been able to increase their female employment in that regard, having run into a wall of real world limitations.
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: Oblivion on January 09, 2018, 06:15:34 PM
According to the document, the memo was seen and edited by several people over the course of this. It was an opendoc with editing notes from people who wished to comment and contribute. It was first just among the colleagues at the Diversity Summit, then he sent it to HR and Diversity, then he put it in another workgroup that talks about Diversity, and then he sent a final edit to the Skeptic community group within Google. It's at this point that someone leaked it to the press and it was edited/framed as saying women are inferior. The press always said that's how they received the memo, in its edited manner without citation.

I keep hearing his defenders say this, but that's essentially what he was arguing. Why else would he cite studies* about how male and female brains work?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
*Hilariously enough, one of the authors of the studies he cited completely disagreed with Damore's conclusion, but Damore doubled down and insisted that the author was on his side but was being "silenced" by the Left/Media/Jews :lol
[close]

Because biological factors create propensities towards a trait on average within a population and not deterministic absolutes for the individual. There is no discussion or citation in the memo that speaks to superiority at a skill, but rather predisposition towards interest in that field which may be a factor in the general distribution of degrees and employment within that field.

So he's not arguing that women are biologically "inferior" when it comes to software programming, but are just biologically predisposed to preferring other types of work?
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: etiolate on January 09, 2018, 06:22:17 PM
According to the document, the memo was seen and edited by several people over the course of this. It was an opendoc with editing notes from people who wished to comment and contribute. It was first just among the colleagues at the Diversity Summit, then he sent it to HR and Diversity, then he put it in another workgroup that talks about Diversity, and then he sent a final edit to the Skeptic community group within Google. It's at this point that someone leaked it to the press and it was edited/framed as saying women are inferior. The press always said that's how they received the memo, in its edited manner without citation.

I keep hearing his defenders say this, but that's essentially what he was arguing. Why else would he cite studies* about how male and female brains work?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
*Hilariously enough, one of the authors of the studies he cited completely disagreed with Damore's conclusion, but Damore doubled down and insisted that the author was on his side but was being "silenced" by the Left/Media/Jews :lol
[close]

Because biological factors create propensities towards a trait on average within a population and not deterministic absolutes for the individual. There is no discussion or citation in the memo that speaks to superiority at a skill, but rather predisposition towards interest in that field which may be a factor in the general distribution of degrees and employment within that field.

So he's not arguing that women are biologically "inferior" when it comes to software programming, but are just biologically predisposed to preferring other types of work?

That on average women and men have predispositions that could have biological causes, and that those traits would factor into the demographics of something like comp sci degrees and programming work. So he's saying rather than just defaulting to "its sexism" and producing tribal solutions to solve sexism, that you should instead understand all the variables involved in creating the current outcome so that you can find a more successful tactic towards increasing female employment.

There's a part of the memo where he talks about Google shifting more software employment towards front-end work since that may naturally attract more women.
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: Oblivion on January 09, 2018, 06:54:44 PM
According to the document, the memo was seen and edited by several people over the course of this. It was an opendoc with editing notes from people who wished to comment and contribute. It was first just among the colleagues at the Diversity Summit, then he sent it to HR and Diversity, then he put it in another workgroup that talks about Diversity, and then he sent a final edit to the Skeptic community group within Google. It's at this point that someone leaked it to the press and it was edited/framed as saying women are inferior. The press always said that's how they received the memo, in its edited manner without citation.

I keep hearing his defenders say this, but that's essentially what he was arguing. Why else would he cite studies* about how male and female brains work?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
*Hilariously enough, one of the authors of the studies he cited completely disagreed with Damore's conclusion, but Damore doubled down and insisted that the author was on his side but was being "silenced" by the Left/Media/Jews :lol
[close]

Because biological factors create propensities towards a trait on average within a population and not deterministic absolutes for the individual. There is no discussion or citation in the memo that speaks to superiority at a skill, but rather predisposition towards interest in that field which may be a factor in the general distribution of degrees and employment within that field.

So he's not arguing that women are biologically "inferior" when it comes to software programming, but are just biologically predisposed to preferring other types of work?

That on average women and men have predispositions that could have biological causes, and that those traits would factor into the demographics of something like comp sci degrees and programming work.

So the current composition of women in CS fields is due to mainly or mostly to biology and not social factors?
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: Steve Contra on January 09, 2018, 07:02:25 PM
The memo is available for all to read. It's boring and whiny and demonstrates that James Damore is definitely too stupid to be employed anywhere if he thought writing it was a good idea.
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: etiolate on January 09, 2018, 07:20:47 PM
According to the document, the memo was seen and edited by several people over the course of this. It was an opendoc with editing notes from people who wished to comment and contribute. It was first just among the colleagues at the Diversity Summit, then he sent it to HR and Diversity, then he put it in another workgroup that talks about Diversity, and then he sent a final edit to the Skeptic community group within Google. It's at this point that someone leaked it to the press and it was edited/framed as saying women are inferior. The press always said that's how they received the memo, in its edited manner without citation.

I keep hearing his defenders say this, but that's essentially what he was arguing. Why else would he cite studies* about how male and female brains work?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
*Hilariously enough, one of the authors of the studies he cited completely disagreed with Damore's conclusion, but Damore doubled down and insisted that the author was on his side but was being "silenced" by the Left/Media/Jews :lol
[close]

Because biological factors create propensities towards a trait on average within a population and not deterministic absolutes for the individual. There is no discussion or citation in the memo that speaks to superiority at a skill, but rather predisposition towards interest in that field which may be a factor in the general distribution of degrees and employment within that field.

So he's not arguing that women are biologically "inferior" when it comes to software programming, but are just biologically predisposed to preferring other types of work?

That on average women and men have predispositions that could have biological causes, and that those traits would factor into the demographics of something like comp sci degrees and programming work.

So the current composition of women in CS fields is due to mainly or mostly to biology and not social factors?

No. Rarely anyone argues absolute biological determinism. That's why I said propensity and not absolute determinism.  You are dealing with nature and nurture, so make sure you include nature.

The point is that biological factors and real world differences are ignored, and that equity of outcome based solutions and goals are a bad idea.
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: Tasty on January 09, 2018, 07:25:04 PM
"Muh bootstraps and individualism!"

*sees a study talking about broad, distributed biological traits across entire populations*

"Women are dumb cause science!!"
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: Steve Contra on January 09, 2018, 07:32:39 PM
"Muh bootstraps and individualism!"

*sees a study talking about broad, distributed biological traits across entire populations*

"Women are dumb cause science!!"
*cracks knuckles*

I'm going to write a paper about why black people make bad engineers!

Wait I'm fired?

*sobs*

*blames the jews*
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: etiolate on January 09, 2018, 07:44:59 PM
Taking that as a request, I'll add you to the comprehensive list of cuckdom.
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: Brehvolution on January 09, 2018, 07:45:23 PM
Damore sounds like the douche in The Internship that called his teammate fat all the time.
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: zomgee on January 09, 2018, 07:50:28 PM
This makes Google look pretty dumb at times. At the same time...

Quote
When Fong-Jones was reported to Google HR, Google’s initial reaction was to state that since Fong-Jones was responding “to some pretty insensitive comments from other colleagues and reacting to an environment that we know have been less than friendly to women and minorities at times,” that her behavior was taken out of context and excused her comments. Google HR then stated that “some empathy could be valuable as you reflect on the conversations.”

REFLECT!?!? EMPATHY!?! FUCK THAT!
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: zomgee on January 09, 2018, 07:51:54 PM
Quote
Google Was Unable to Respond to Logical Arguments

That's an actual heading.

CHECKMATE ASSHOLES!
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: thisismyusername on January 09, 2018, 09:30:10 PM
Taking that as a request, I'll add you to the comprehensive list of cuckdom.

So how many are cucks for you now?
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: curly on January 09, 2018, 10:01:51 PM
Maybe women don't go into programming because they're less inclined to be boring nerds

The real question is are men genetically inclined to be boring nerds, or is it caused by cultural expectations
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: etiolate on January 09, 2018, 10:17:21 PM
Taking that as a request, I'll add you to the comprehensive list of cuckdom.

So how many are cucks for you now?

:huh

I think it's at five now. Most of the members are mental cucks, but sometimes a true cuckold joins the town. The destination itself is a easy day drive away from the famous Flavor Town.
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: curly on January 09, 2018, 10:46:50 PM
https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/950736306694336512

It is bad that google has unlimited power over our lives but these nerds make it so hard to take them seriously
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on January 09, 2018, 10:56:42 PM
Bing IS much better for searching porn. Damore's right...
 :neo
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: Momo on January 09, 2018, 11:38:20 PM
Bing IS much better for searching porn. Damore's right...
 :neo
'Steve Ballmer', look into that
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: benjipwns on January 09, 2018, 11:50:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMU0tzLwhbE
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: Rufus on January 10, 2018, 04:09:51 AM
Taking that as a request, I'll add you to the comprehensive list of cuckdom.
Quaking in his boots, I'm sure.
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: Rufus on January 10, 2018, 04:12:17 AM
https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/950736306694336512

It is bad that google has unlimited power over our lives but these nerds make it so hard to take them seriously
OK, done. ...What am I supposed to see?
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: D3RANG3D on January 10, 2018, 11:07:18 AM
A bunch of fatties in the google results?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:rollsafe
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Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: thisismyusername on January 10, 2018, 11:08:43 AM
A bunch of fatties in the google results?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:rollsafe
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So Google wins Demi's seal of approval...
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: etiolate on January 10, 2018, 12:02:39 PM
(https://i.redd.it/1d5mjkhu52901.png)
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: Rufus on January 10, 2018, 01:10:14 PM
A bunch of fatties in the google results?

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:rollsafe
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Like 3. All from the same site. I guess that shoud be impossible by whatever metric this guy has set.

No Asians though. Does that mean something, too? :thinking
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: D3RANG3D on January 10, 2018, 01:22:23 PM
A bunch of fatties in the google results?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:rollsafe
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Like 3. All from the same site. I guess that shoud be impossible by whatever metric this guy has set.

No Asians though. Does that mean something, too? :thinking

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Fat privilege?
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Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: Kurt Russell on February 22, 2018, 09:40:31 AM
...well this was unexpected

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According to court documents filed today, a former Google engineer is suing the company for discrimination, harassment, retaliation, and wrongful termination. "Tim Chevalier, a software developer and former site-reliability engineer at Google, claims that Google fired him when he responded with internal posts and memes to racist and sexist encounters within the company and the general response to the now-infamous James Damore memo," reports The Verge. From the report:

Chevalier said in a statement to The Verge, "It is a cruel irony that Google attempted to justify firing me by claiming that my social networking posts showed bias against my harassers." Chevalier, who is also disabled and transgender, alleges that his internal posts that defended women of color and marginalized people led directly to his termination in November 2017. He had worked at Google for a little under two years. Notably, Chevalier's posts had been quoted in Damore's lawsuit against Google -- in which Damore sued the company for discrimination against conservative white men -- as evidence Google permitted liberals to speak out at the company unpunished. Chevalier's lawsuit alleges that his firing is, in fact, a form of punishment. The lawsuit was filed in San Francisco County Superior Court and Chevalier is seeking damages for lost wages, emotional distress, punitive damages, and injunctive relief against those alleged harmful acts. Google did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/21/17038430/google-james-damore-memo-tim-chevalier-lawsuit-liberal-conservative-backlash
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: Tasty on February 22, 2018, 10:49:46 AM
Checkmate, liberals...?
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: Himu on February 22, 2018, 11:48:41 AM
Not surprising. Google like most on the left, value thought control. The way they demonetize and flag certain videos just because they’re on the opposite political spectrum as them is disgusting. Hopefully the fuckers pay a nice price. Rooting for Prager U in their lawsuit against the fash as well.
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: Himu on February 22, 2018, 11:51:37 AM
https://youtu.be/giNJwXiktZ0
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: etiolate on March 02, 2018, 01:01:00 AM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/youtube-hiring-for-some-positions-excluded-white-and-asian-males-lawsuit-says-1519948013

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YouTube last year stopped hiring white and Asian males for technical positions because they didn’t help the world’s largest video site achieve its goals for improving diversity, according to a civil lawsuit filed by a former employee.
The lawsuit, filed by Arne Wilberg, a white male who worked at Google for nine years, including four years as a recruiter at YouTube, alleges the division of Alphabet Inc.’s GOOGL -2.94%▲ Google set quotas for hiring minorities. Last spring, YouTube recruiters were allegedly instructed to cancel interviews with applicants who weren’t female, black or Hispanic, and to “purge entirely” the applications of people who didn’t fit those categories, the lawsuit claims.
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: jorma on March 02, 2018, 01:42:44 AM
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when he responded with internal posts and memes

Why do that though? Why are "internal posts and memes" even a thing? Keep that shit to your private life, not your corporate life. Fools.

Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: VomKriege on March 02, 2018, 02:47:36 AM
https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/950736306694336512

It is bad that google has unlimited power over our lives but these nerds make it so hard to take them seriously
OK, done. ...What am I supposed to see?

GUN CONTROL LAWS
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: Momo on March 02, 2018, 02:49:52 AM
https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/950736306694336512

It is bad that google has unlimited power over our lives but these nerds make it so hard to take them seriously
OK, done. ...What am I supposed to see?

GUN CONTROL LAWS
CROWD CONTROL SITUATION
spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yjtigsQQ1E
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Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: jorma on March 02, 2018, 03:09:26 AM
https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/950736306694336512

It is bad that google has unlimited power over our lives but these nerds make it so hard to take them seriously
OK, done. ...What am I supposed to see?

I saw virtually zero difference, it was a bunch of hot girls in bikini.
I'm ok with that though, we did a good thing. For science!

Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on March 02, 2018, 03:32:20 AM
Jordan Peterson and Sam Harris are speaking at the Orpheum in a couple weeks. If Colin Moriarty and Googledweeb show up it'll be etoilets Eiffel tower dp fantasy come to life
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: Mandark on March 02, 2018, 03:35:17 AM
https://twitter.com/JamesADamore/status/930257190362824704


"Manbood"
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: Momo on March 02, 2018, 04:20:54 AM
Jordan Peterson and Sam Harris are speaking at the Orpheum in a couple weeks. If Colin Moriarty and Googledweeb show up it'll be etoilets Eiffel tower dp fantasy come to life
Peterson and Harris will argue the entire time. They dont exactly see eye to eye.

Mandood
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: TVC15 on March 02, 2018, 04:21:34 AM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/youtube-hiring-for-some-positions-excluded-white-and-asian-males-lawsuit-says-1519948013

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YouTube last year stopped hiring white and Asian males for technical positions because they didn’t help the world’s largest video site achieve its goals for improving diversity, according to a civil lawsuit filed by a former employee.
The lawsuit, filed by Arne Wilberg, a white male who worked at Google for nine years, including four years as a recruiter at YouTube, alleges the division of Alphabet Inc.’s GOOGL -2.94%▲ Google set quotas for hiring minorities. Last spring, YouTube recruiters were allegedly instructed to cancel interviews with applicants who weren’t female, black or Hispanic, and to “purge entirely” the applications of people who didn’t fit those categories, the lawsuit claims.

This must be why I’ve gotten no responses from the applications I’ve sent in for jobs I’m more than perfectly qualified for. The same applies to another white friend that’s very qualified and has been looking for gigs since December.

(He just took a job as a lead at Oculus. I’m still hunting for a suitable gig.)

I move ever closer to your side of things, Etiolate.
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: Momo on March 02, 2018, 04:23:07 AM
In your case, they probably know you have an inexplicable interest in fish penis and thought they cant chance it.
Title: Re: Google Sue-Ball 2018 Edition (Damore Redux)
Post by: TVC15 on March 02, 2018, 04:31:42 AM
In your case, they probably know you have an inexplicable interest in fish penis and thought they cant chance it.

I was going to write a snarky reply, but also ignoring Asian applicants is probably a solid indicator that sexual depravity is off the table. Good call. Good call.