Waaayyyy before TFS, when I was going through the original series as a kid, I thought Goku was a pretty good dad all things considered.
And then he gave Perfect Cell a fucking senzu bean for no reason in the Cell Games.
There was no coming back from that act in my eyes. Dude is a bloodthirsty pureblood saiyan just like the rest of them. That he's a complete idiot is merely due to a childhood accident, and does not absolve him - let alone make him a righteous character. If the choice was to allow the universe to be destroyed before fighting a more powerful opponent, he'd do it.
I haven't even seen Super yet but I've heard his idiocy there is on another level.
spoiler from an episode a bit after but every single one of those universes were going to be erased either way. goku reminding zeno of the tournament guarantees at least one of them has a fighting chance
And then he gave Perfect Cell a fucking senzu bean for no reason in the Cell Games.
Vegeta has always been better than Goku where it counts,spoiler (click to show/hide)piccolo the real mvd[close]
goku was never intended to be the righteous-hero good guy type anyway - his whole persona was supposed to be for the purpose of always getting stronger, saving people was only a result of his goals. Not his intention. When they put him into animation they tried to mix that with the intention of being a good guy hero, which fucks everything up, and pissed akira toriyama off to no end, not sure if it still does.
Anime Goku is dumb but manga Goku sounds even worse.
Toriyama is trash. His work has only been worthwhile to the extent it inspired Oda-sama.
I don't think Goku wants to excel as a martial artist or anything, it's more that he gets off fighting and wants to fight stronger opponents. Everything else for him is secondary, and he doesn't seem to care that much about Chichi or Gohan. He obviously has a thing for Kuririn and gets pissed off when people die, but it's hard to see him actually caring about anything much past that, specially Chichi. Goku trained Gohan and later made sure Uub came back just so he was relieved of the burden of protecting Earth and could fuck off to god knows where in the universe and fight stronger dudes.
Ironically enough it seems that Vegeta is the one who's capable of loving his son and wife somehow, as much as this would hurt his saiyajin pride, even if he is a dumbass and still let his saiyajin instinct take over sometimes.
Chichi deserved better than this
Nah. All the universes were going to go boom anyways if Goku hadn't said anything. You're acting like those buster universes brospoiler from an episode a bit after but every single one of those universes were going to be erased either way. goku reminding zeno of the tournament guarantees at least one of them has a fighting chanceDidn't the blue furry make a deal that if he won against Goku then none of the universes would have been destroyed?
No, the cool wolf dude with the red scarf.Nah. All the universes were going to go boom anyways if Goku hadn't said anything. You're acting like those buster universes brospoiler from an episode a bit after but every single one of those universes were going to be erased either way. goku reminding zeno of the tournament guarantees at least one of them has a fighting chanceDidn't the blue furry make a deal that if he won against Goku then none of the universes would have been destroyed?
Blue furry? Zen-o?
I don't think Goku wants to excel as a martial artist or anything, it's more that he gets off fighting and wants to fight stronger opponents. Everything else for him is secondary, and he doesn't seem to care that much about Chichi or Gohan. He obviously has a thing for Kuririn and gets pissed off when people die, but it's hard to see him actually caring about anything much past that, specially Chichi. Goku trained Gohan and later made sure Uub came back just so he was relieved of the burden of protecting Earth and could fuck off to god knows where in the universe and fight stronger dudes.
Ironically enough it seems that Vegeta is the one who's capable of loving his son and wife somehow, as much as this would hurt his saiyajin pride, even if he is a dumbass and still let his saiyajin instinct take over sometimes.
Chichi deserved better than this
Chichi deserves nothing.
Bitch up and decided she was gonna marry him one day. Dude doesn't even know what marriage even is but that doesn't stop her. She probably had to show him "how babies are made" books to teach him about sex. Chichi willfully forced a man that doesn't love her to marry her. Chichi made her grave.
And all because he touched her on her vagina and wondered why there were no balls IIRC :lol
Chichi deserves nothing.
Bitch up and decided she was gonna marry him one day. Dude doesn't even know what marriage even is but that doesn't stop her. She probably had to show him "how babies are made" books to teach him about sex. Chichi willfully forced a man that doesn't love her to marry her. Chichi made her grave.
Chichi deserves nothing.
Bitch up and decided she was gonna marry him one day. Dude doesn't even know what marriage even is but that doesn't stop her. She probably had to show him "how babies are made" books to teach him about sex. Chichi willfully forced a man that doesn't love her to marry her. Chichi made her grave.
Now that you mentioned
I wonder how she lives with that
Chichi deserves nothing.
Bitch up and decided she was gonna marry him one day. Dude doesn't even know what marriage even is but that doesn't stop her. She probably had to show him "how babies are made" books to teach him about sex. Chichi willfully forced a man that doesn't love her to marry her. Chichi made her grave.
Now that you mentioned
I wonder how she lives with that
I mean she gets to fuck the strongest man in the universe. Probably not often but still.
My favorite Goku moment in Super is when he beats up some goons who jumped him and tells them to get a job.
To be fair Bulma was trading that trim to anyone who asked back in the day.
No, the cool wolf dude with the red scarf.Nah. All the universes were going to go boom anyways if Goku hadn't said anything. You're acting like those buster universes brospoiler from an episode a bit after but every single one of those universes were going to be erased either way. goku reminding zeno of the tournament guarantees at least one of them has a fighting chanceDidn't the blue furry make a deal that if he won against Goku then none of the universes would have been destroyed?
Blue furry? Zen-o?
Chichi deserves nothing.
Bitch up and decided she was gonna marry him one day. Dude doesn't even know what marriage even is but that doesn't stop her. She probably had to show him "how babies are made" books to teach him about sex. Chichi willfully forced a man that doesn't love her to marry her. Chichi made her grave.
Now that you mentioned
I wonder how she lives with that
goku was never intended to be the righteous-hero good guy type anyway - his whole persona was supposed to be for the purpose of always getting stronger, saving people was only a result of his goals. Not his intention. When they put him into animation they tried to mix that with the intention of being a good guy hero, which fucks everything up, and pissed akira toriyama off to no end, not sure if it still does.
Anime Goku is dumb but manga Goku sounds even worse.
Toriyama is trash. His work has only been worthwhile to the extent it inspired Oda-sama.
im rewatching super but with english dub now and tbh there seems to be a lot of foreshadowing early on vegeta is going to end up the strongest,
:bow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aDcWucKFjA :bow2piccilo is a bad ass
im rewatching super but with english dub now and tbh there seems to be a lot of foreshadowing early on vegeta is going to end up the strongest,
How's the dub version?
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