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Title: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 18, 2018, 12:22:13 AM
You already keep kids in cages at the border, whats next?

Even the russians and chinese dont do shit like this.
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: naff on June 18, 2018, 12:27:59 AM
australia is even worse. the Nauru and Manus island detention centres are a fucking disgrace.
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 18, 2018, 12:38:49 AM
You know its bad when the best thing to say is "Look there its even worse"

Australia is a shithole with penal colony DNA, America is supposed to be the leader of the free world and the land of the free and the home of the brave.
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: naff on June 18, 2018, 12:41:09 AM
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/975418/spain-news-aquarius-migrants-Italy-news-immigration-Spain-european-union-salvini

Implying there aren't any immigration issues like this is Europe  :bolo

Russia and China aren't a target for refugees - geographic isolation and they likely know they'd be fucked, because everyone knows how fucked their human rights track record is.

https://blogs.helsinki.fi/chinastudies/2017/11/28/chinese-immigration-to-siberia-a-source-of-tensions-between-moscow-and-beijing/
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 18, 2018, 12:50:27 AM
Uuurop is not a country, so dunno what u expect from greasers.

 :morans


Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 18, 2018, 01:07:42 AM
Roughly half the country are monstrous fucking shitheels, among their number are several posters on this forum (filler, assimilate, etc)

Human beings in general are at best selfish, brutish creatures, at worst monsters. This is the time of monsters.
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: naff on June 18, 2018, 01:11:02 AM
 :holeup framing this as an american issue is disingenuous at best

https://www.ft.com/content/f3e03cfd-9314-3571-9d3b-379413bf027a

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/eu-refugee-quotas-160000-italy-greece-failing-european-commissioner-legal-cases-obligations-a7739396.html

https://www.timesofisrael.com/riding-wave-of-anti-migrant-feeling-far-right-gains-across-europe/
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 18, 2018, 01:13:38 AM
Im missing how anywhere here in europe were seperating 5 year olds from their parents and keep them in cages

No wonder brothers dont want to sing your anthem
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 18, 2018, 01:25:17 AM
Roughly half the country are monstrous fucking shitheels, among their number are several posters on this forum (filler, assimilate, etc)
assimilate isn't an American anymore, he lives over in some shithole country in Latin America
:bolo

He's still a festering boil on the ass of humanity, even by humanity's standards

:yeshrug
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 18, 2018, 01:26:57 AM
In 2016, 2.4 million non-EU immigrants entered the Union.

Also I think like 70% of those are muslims. In the US you dont even take muslims.

Europe is the new US.
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Mandark on June 18, 2018, 01:34:26 AM
The important thing here is that some white people should get to feel a sense of moral superiority.
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 18, 2018, 01:35:15 AM
In Europe mexicans are also white
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 18, 2018, 01:35:28 AM
:smug
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: naff on June 18, 2018, 01:38:24 AM
Im missing how anywhere here in europe were seperating 5 year olds from their parents and keep them in cages

No wonder brothers dont want to sing your anthem

I'm not a 'murican, and there's plenty of other horrible things happening in your civilised yurop. This policy ain't nice, but i'd say it's better than say the EU supporting the Libyan coastguard and by association advocating policies resulting in violence towards, and the death-of thousands of refugees every year.

It's not a contest, xenophobia specifically regarding migrants is causing (/part of) a pretty nasty political shift. This is the euro problem in a nutshell. Your back yard is relatively safe, so you waive away the issues your own country should be dealing with throwing racist epithets at your neighbours that are shouldering the brunt of the problem while they lose faith in the EU and it edges closer to it's inevitable failure.
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Mandark on June 18, 2018, 01:40:10 AM
https://twitter.com/DavidBegnaud/status/1008479899806523393


Breitbart etc. are acting very indignant that people are saying the children are being put in cages, and certain "objective" media outlets like the Washington Post fact-checker are playing along.

Meanwhile there's a bill in the Senate to stop family separation (I don't think it would affect the teens who cross the border alone, but I haven't read it). Every Democrat besides Manchin is co-sponsoring it, no Republicans yet.
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Kara on June 18, 2018, 01:40:43 AM
In Europe mexicans are also white

They're also white here for statistical purposes to hide how acute our white minority rule problem is.

Legitimate states doing legitimate state stuff.
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 18, 2018, 01:42:05 AM
In Europe mexicans are also white

They're also white here for statistical purposes to hide how acute our white minority rule problem is.

Legitimate states doing legitimate state stuff.

Kara thankfully our fatherland is the whitest place in the EU and probably the world and is awaiting our return
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Mandark on June 18, 2018, 01:47:25 AM
(http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2017/12/19110846/PH_2017.12.20_Hispanic-Identity_01.png)


Besides being relevant to this thread, also a good example of why the Democratic party shouldn't be too smugly optimistic about demographics.

Also maybe an argument for why even racist conservatives shouldn't be freaking out. If your grandfathers could accept the Italians and Slavs as white, you should be able to man up and let the Mexicans join.
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Kara on June 18, 2018, 02:02:43 AM
In Europe mexicans are also white

They're also white here for statistical purposes to hide how acute our white minority rule problem is.

Legitimate states doing legitimate state stuff.

Kara thankfully our fatherland is the whitest place in the EU and probably the world and is awaiting our return

Time to play my Katyn martyr card. :larry
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: team filler on June 18, 2018, 02:45:13 AM
Roughly half the country are monstrous fucking shitheels, among their number are several posters on this forum (filler, assimilate, etc)

Human beings in general are at best selfish, brutish creatures, at worst monsters. This is the time of monsters.
:-\
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: warcock on June 18, 2018, 07:05:02 AM
Im missing how anywhere here in europe were seperating 5 year olds from their parents and keep them in cages

No wonder brothers dont want to sing your anthem

I'm not a 'murican, and there's plenty of other horrible things happening in your civilised yurop. This policy ain't nice, but i'd say it's better than say the EU supporting the Libyan coastguard and by association advocating policies resulting in violence towards, and the death-of thousands of refugees every year.

It's not a contest, xenophobia specifically regarding migrants is causing (/part of) a pretty nasty political shift. This is the euro problem in a nutshell. Your back yard is relatively safe, so you waive away the issues your own country should be dealing with throwing racist epithets at your neighbours that are shouldering the brunt of the problem while they lose faith in the EU and it edges closer to it's inevitable failure.

yurope is way more civilized than the US tho, that's like a statistical fact. Also anecdotal in my case.(well canada, yurope litE).  I  fear what would happen in this crazy house if we had spanish or greek levels of youth unemployment.  :-\
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 18, 2018, 08:20:15 AM
Awful bigoted president continues to be awful bigoted president. America continues to look the other way.

Move along. Nothing to see here.
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: jorma on June 18, 2018, 10:01:05 AM
Awful bigoted president continues to be awful bigoted president. America continues to look the other way.

Move along. Nothing to see here.

Didn't i read somewhere that this is exactly how it looked during the Obama years as well?
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 18, 2018, 10:07:23 AM
Awful bigoted president continues to be awful bigoted president. America continues to look the other way.

Move along. Nothing to see here.

Didn't i read somewhere that this is exactly how it looked during the Obama years as well?

No one is stopping you from posting such a link.

Such as me posting this link talking about how the current policy of separating children is different from past implementation.
 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/16/us/politics/family-separation-trump.html
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Rufus on June 18, 2018, 10:08:03 AM
Separating children from their parents is a new low.
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Nabbis on June 18, 2018, 10:08:57 AM
Methods against it aside, immigration is not a right. US might not get that mindset with all the jingoistic "melting pot" nonsense but remember that it took a genocide for it to happen and it's still not working after hundreds of years.
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 18, 2018, 10:10:14 AM
There is no "methods aside". How you do something is just as important as what you are doing. You can't divorce the two.

As far as the rest I don't really know what you are talking about unless you get specific. Which groups are you referencing?
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Nabbis on June 18, 2018, 10:16:07 AM
It' my way of saying that it's a shit country making shit out of reasonable foreign relations, like not letting people in without a process.
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 18, 2018, 10:17:48 AM
Whats the big problem?

We've been shipping the children of our poor minorities overseas for decades ... to fight and die in meaningless wars.


This seems more humane in comparison.

 :smug
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Rufus on June 18, 2018, 10:21:52 AM
Methods against it aside, immigration is not a right.
Illegal immigration =/= immigration

US might not get that mindset with all the jingoistic "melting pot" nonsense but remember that it took a genocide for it to happen and it's still not working after hundreds of years.
Jingoism refers to nationalistic foreign policy. I don't know what that has to do with "melting pot nonsense."

I also don't understand what you mean by "it's still not working" when the US is a functioning multi-ethnic/multi-cultural state. There's another to their north. Friction exists, as is to be expected. Where are you drawing the line to declare it a failure?
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: jorma on June 18, 2018, 10:24:19 AM
Awful bigoted president continues to be awful bigoted president. America continues to look the other way.

Move along. Nothing to see here.

Didn't i read somewhere that this is exactly how it looked during the Obama years as well?

No one is stopping you from posting such a link.

Such as me posting this link talking about how the current policy of separating children is different from past implementation.
 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/16/us/politics/family-separation-trump.html

i'm not that invested dude.
i just remember when this concentration camp thing blew up everyone was all "fuck trump" and then it turned out to be a report from the obama years or whatever.

Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 18, 2018, 10:29:23 AM
Awful bigoted president continues to be awful bigoted president. America continues to look the other way.

Move along. Nothing to see here.

Didn't i read somewhere that this is exactly how it looked during the Obama years as well?

No one is stopping you from posting such a link.

Such as me posting this link talking about how the current policy of separating children is different from past implementation.
 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/16/us/politics/family-separation-trump.html

i'm not that invested dude.
i just remember when this concentration camp thing blew up everyone was all "fuck trump" and then it turned out to be a report from the obama years or whatever.

Detaining illegal immigrants is not new. Separating children from families to do so in the current implementation is new.
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Nabbis on June 18, 2018, 11:10:37 AM
Methods against it aside, immigration is not a right.
Illegal immigration =/= immigration

US might not get that mindset with all the jingoistic "melting pot" nonsense but remember that it took a genocide for it to happen and it's still not working after hundreds of years.
Jingoism refers to nationalistic foreign policy. I don't know what that has to do with "melting pot nonsense."

I also don't understand what you mean by "it's still not working" when the US is a functioning multi-ethnic/multi-cultural state. There's another to their north. Friction exists, as is to be expected. Where are you drawing the line to declare it a failure?

Neither are. US just seems to do it in a shitty manner. Not that it's exclusive to it but... It's US. Jingoism is used here as a more negative version of nationalism, just replace it with that if it's more fitting.

Conservatives try to push shitty solutions on immigration while a more general nationalistic(though mostly concerning other white ethnicities for conservative voters) belief in US is that it's a melting pot of sorts and that it works if you just let everyone in. The American dream, etc. Both are extreme nonsense.

You take up Canada as something that works and i agree. But it's not US, light-years ahead of it really with social programs that lessen the divide between low and high income earners and in theory should lessen problems between generational wealth and immigration etc. On the other hand it also has ridiculous strict immigration policies even compared to many European countries and despite all that it still does not ooze this "melting pot" rhetoric nearly as much as US... Probably cause they also have skeletons in their closet and just pr their country in a better way.

TLDR: US just can't do anything in a rational manner. It's not a exclusive problem to it but it is the self proclaimed emperor of cultural melting pots despite centuries of contrary evidence.
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Kara on June 18, 2018, 12:24:59 PM
(http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2017/12/19110846/PH_2017.12.20_Hispanic-Identity_01.png)


Besides being relevant to this thread, also a good example of why the Democratic party shouldn't be too smugly optimistic about demographics.

Also maybe an argument for why even racist conservatives shouldn't be freaking out. If your grandfathers could accept the Italians and Slavs as white, you should be able to man up and let the Mexicans join.

Quote
Among adults who say they have Hispanic ancestors (a parent, grandparent, great grandparent or earlier ancestor) but do not self-identify as Hispanic, the vast majority – 81% – say they have never thought of themselves as Hispanic, according to a Pew Research Center survey of the group.

Don't know how statistically valid it is to clump all those groups together other than to tacitly concede white supremacism is a one-drop ideology in the U.S. Should you identify as Hispanic or Latino because of one great-great-grandparent? Race science, innit.
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Tasty on June 18, 2018, 12:26:33 PM
*yells at US* "WHY ARE YOU SO STUPID??"

"Yeah it sucks. We're trying to keep the people enacting these policies from getting elected again-"

"WHY IS EVERYONE IN THE US A MONSTER??"

Like what is the point of this thread other than to gloat about how much superior your country is? You're not telling us anything we don't know and you're not feeling anything we don't already feel.
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: agrajag on June 18, 2018, 12:41:23 PM
*yells at US* "WHY ARE YOU SO STUPID??"

"Yeah it sucks. We're trying to keep the people enacting these policies from getting elected again-"

"WHY IS EVERYONE IN THE US A MONSTER??"

Like what is the point of this thread other than to gloat about how much superior your country is? You're not telling us anything we don't know and you're not feeling anything we don't already feel.

Agreed, pretty shit thread to be honest that serves no purpose other than to gloat how superior you are, or something? Everyone that posts here is aware that there are problems in this country.
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Nintex on June 18, 2018, 01:00:54 PM
Migration is a key issue and the UN charters that we have are from a time when it was much harder to get around.
It wasn't possible to reach the US or Europe as easily as it is now.

Anyone with Google maps can plot a course to better living conditions and many have started to do so.
The first world thought that if they increased living standards in the third world, people won't move the first world.
But this is not the case. As soon as they save up a little, they move to Europe or elsewhere.

The optics here aren't good. But are these kids well fed, clothed and kept safe?
Compared to our living conditions this seems bad but how bad were the conditions in their own countries that made them move to the US in the first place?
Take a country like Venezuela or Mexico with the cartels.

It's a difficult situation. The countries that people flee from either have a horrible government or bad living conditions (and most of the time both).
I think it's unfair to just look at the country that these displaced people end up at and point the finger at them.
The governments that are apparently so shitty that these people start looking for the care and protection of Donald J. Trump voluntarily are not focused on enough.

Why do so many parents grab their kids and run over to the border, knowing all the risks (dehydration, gang violence, US border security) seems an important topic that no one likes to talk about.
What is the 'limit' that the countries that have their shit together (somewhat) should be asked to handle. It's simply unfeasible for the US (or EU) to take in all refugees/migrants from other parts of the world.

These Nazi comparisons and generalizations really get us nowhere.
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 18, 2018, 01:11:39 PM
*yells at US* "WHY ARE YOU SO STUPID??"

"Yeah it sucks. We're trying to keep the people enacting these policies from getting elected again-"

"WHY IS EVERYONE IN THE US A MONSTER??"

Like what is the point of this thread other than to gloat about how much superior your country is? You're not telling us anything we don't know and you're not feeling anything we don't already feel.

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Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Brehvolution on June 18, 2018, 01:13:12 PM
*google's endlosung*

:kobeyuck
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 18, 2018, 01:14:43 PM
Gz now u are flagged by the feds
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Brehvolution on June 18, 2018, 01:25:32 PM
The immigration issue is just a tactic by the right to point at a group of people and say they are the reason that trailer park USA is having such a hard time. It masks the real issues like stagnant wages, income inequality, and a tax system that favors the wealthy. The longer as the plebes stay distracted, the more wealth can flow up.  :doge
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 18, 2018, 01:49:34 PM
The immigration issue is just a tactic by the right to point at a group of people and say they are the reason that trailer park USA is having such a hard time. It masks the real issues like stagnant wages, income inequality, and a tax system that favors the wealthy. The longer as the plebes stay distracted, the more wealth can flow up.  :doge

Pretty much what happened in the south against blacks in the past
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Nintex on June 18, 2018, 01:52:01 PM
https://twitter.com/KenDilanianNBC/status/1008756763796164608 (https://twitter.com/KenDilanianNBC/status/1008756763796164608)

Well then.
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: agrajag on June 18, 2018, 01:59:46 PM
what's even the point of even saying "it's the democrats' fault" when your base embraces the policy?
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Nintex on June 18, 2018, 02:07:13 PM
I don't think it'll last long with the public against it (even though according to some people this policy has existed long before Trump came into power (the league of evil just decided to act on it though)).
Trump's 'let's sit down and make a deal' doesn't really work when he's signing EO's left and right to get other shit he wants done. With that said, the US had torture prisons and CIA blacksites for years during the 'war of terror' craze
and there was really no rush to change anything despite public outcry.
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Kara on June 18, 2018, 03:13:39 PM
These Nazi comparisons and generalizations really get us nowhere.

You routinely flatten distinctions between groups, up to and including soft Holocaust Denial. Funny how we need nuance now.
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: studyguy on June 18, 2018, 03:13:44 PM
Legit worried cause I do have an uncle with a misdemeanor assault like 20 years back for fucking some dude up that punched my aunt.
That dude that got picked up by ICE 20 years after serving his misdemeanor charge was a permanent resident like my uncle so...
That was years back, dude's an old man running his agricultural logistics business now.

Shit's all kinds of fucked up tbh.
 :goty

Also the semantic arguments on concentration camp shit are cold comfort to anyone looking on, no one actually gives a fuck about the AKSHUALLY folks chiming in when you got pics of kids in literal cages dropping on people's heads.

Shit's embarrassing any way you cut it and only a bunch of dummies like this current admin could keep thinking this is a winning issue as public opinion sours harder by the day.
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Mandark on June 18, 2018, 03:33:00 PM
Methods against it aside, immigration is not a right.

Nothing is.

But if we're going to pretend rights exist, throw immigration in there with the others. There are scarier things than other people's freedom of movement.
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Nabbis on June 18, 2018, 04:01:55 PM
Methods against it aside, immigration is not a right.

Nothing is.

But if we're going to pretend rights exist, throw immigration in there with the others. There are scarier things than other people's freedom of movement.

If you get paid welfare for doing nothing yet the economic model is still capitalism, then nope, there ain't all that many more scarier things than letting people come how they please. You can have either freedom of movement or welfare programs. It's already a fucking hassle to sort out the rising retirement age to pay for all the boomers due to the the economy not growing fast enough. The idea frequently used that fixing this through low skilled labor is some stupid shit since those jobs are redundant, hence why any rational immigration policy cherry picks most of it's immigrants for needed positions. Though im talking about my country here. Who knows, might work in US to get some more cattle for low wages to do some rich dudes bidding since the social safety nets are minimal.
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: studyguy on June 18, 2018, 04:04:49 PM
https://twitter.com/ProPublica/status/1008799826669178880

Literally just a policy that invites the kind of news stories that kick readers in the gut over and over again.
No story is gonna drop how detainee children were having a great time, it's all just a downhill ride to hell.
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Mandark on June 18, 2018, 04:07:17 PM
Oh we're referring to immigrants as "cattle." Cool. Nice. Great.
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Nabbis on June 18, 2018, 04:09:37 PM
Oh we're referring to immigrants as "cattle." Cool. Nice. Great.

It was sarcasm in how it looks like when looking at your comment in the context of US.  ::)
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: paprikastaude on June 18, 2018, 04:16:50 PM
The immigration issue is just a tactic by the right to point at a group of people and say they are the reason that trailer park USA is having such a hard time. It masks the real issues like stagnant wages, income inequality, and a tax system that favors the wealthy. The longer as the plebes stay distracted, the more wealth can flow up.  :doge

Welcome to nationalism? Might want to google Dolchstoßlegende next.  :doge
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Nabbis on June 18, 2018, 04:23:18 PM
So people can't immigrate because of welfare programs?

Mandark used the phrase "freedom of movement" which i assume is essentially to grant the right to immigrate freely. No, you can't do that, it would be a catastrophe. Screened immigration based on a person already having a job offer or some other generally favorable to the society quality(like the genius visa that US has for exceptional talents for example) is okay since it's on the grounds that the country is not losing on the deal. This is what essentially all first world countries do already, it's not some new novel concept.
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: curly on June 18, 2018, 04:31:36 PM
The US separating kids from their parents, Australia locking up asylum seekers in detention centers, Europe voting for the far right and letting refugees drown by the hundreds in the Mediterranean. It's all symptoms of the same disease.
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Mandark on June 18, 2018, 04:35:50 PM
The US separating kids from their parents, Australia locking up asylum seekers in detention centers, Europe voting for the far right and letting refugees drown by the hundreds in the Mediterranean. It's all symptoms of the same disease.

Opty, crashing through the wall like Kool Aid Man: "The disease of S J W identity politics!"
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: curly on June 18, 2018, 04:41:17 PM
stage iv cac-cer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix-AMYos0Js

:blessup
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Steve Contra on June 18, 2018, 05:09:03 PM
The immigration issue is just a tactic by the right to point at a group of people and say they are the reason that trailer park USA is having such a hard time. It masks the real issues like stagnant wages, income inequality, and a tax system that favors the wealthy. The longer as the plebes stay distracted, the more wealth can flow up.  :doge
That sounds nice, but the truth is Republicans really, really don't like Mexicans.
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Mandark on June 18, 2018, 05:27:11 PM
Yeah, the official GOP establishment and the donor wing are a lot more chill about immigration than the base.

It was grassroots xenophobia that derailed immigration compromise under Dubya and Obama.
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: team filler on June 18, 2018, 05:28:11 PM
republicans in california hate mexicans in a different way than republicans in the south. the hate from southern republicans is mainly reserved for niccas. they only hate mexicans because the party tells them to, but it's pretty weak.
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 18, 2018, 05:29:16 PM
ok
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 18, 2018, 05:37:23 PM
Mexicans are basically the blacks of the Western United States.

As a black person from the south, it was weird how often certain white californians felt comfortable expressing their casual racism to me toward mexicans when I lived out there. I imagine it's far worse in places like Texas and Arizona.

Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 18, 2018, 05:45:25 PM
It's a weird cactivity but it happens. I've had dudes come up to me to trash on black people. asians or mexicans. Because apparently to racist white dudes nothing the best way to befriend someone not white is to shit on someone else.

I suppose a divide and conquer approach has always worked well but generally speaking its a weird thing in my book to go to one minority to try to elicit solidarity on hating another.

For what its worth I do want to make the distinction that the racism on display in california on average is magnitudes below the real deal stuff you get in the south.
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Post by: curly on June 18, 2018, 06:21:58 PM
https://twitter.com/antoguerrera/status/1008726533832429568?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fantoguerrera%2Fstatus%2F1008726533832429568
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Trurl on June 18, 2018, 06:54:22 PM
Roughly half the country are monstrous fucking shitheels, among their number are several posters on this forum (filler, assimilate, etc)

Human beings in general are at best selfish, brutish creatures, at worst monsters. This is the time of monsters.
I always thought that Filler used his like as a Seal of Shit Posting, not as an endorsement per se.
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Post by: Mandark on June 18, 2018, 06:57:32 PM
Ted Cruz is introducing a bill that will send the families to the same prisons rather than separate ones.

We can all go home now, problem's solved.
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Steve Contra on June 18, 2018, 08:37:21 PM
I honestly can't comprehend the strategy of using children to appease hardliners in safe districts during an election year. It's mindboggling.
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Post by: agrajag on June 18, 2018, 09:07:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y579pSOT4XE
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Post by: Mandark on June 18, 2018, 09:29:13 PM
I honestly can't comprehend the strategy of using children to appease hardliners in safe districts during an election year. It's mindboggling.

Trump pretending that the Democrats made him do it is a tell that he knows it's not a popular move.

I'd expect this to get worse if someone gets pictures of migrant girls in cages. 100% it's deliberate they've only let photos of detained boys out so far.
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Post by: agrajag on June 18, 2018, 09:35:44 PM
allegedly Miller and co. are showing Trump videos of happy children smiling and laughing and he thinks all the caged videos they're showing on the news are fake

 :trumps
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Post by: Mandark on June 18, 2018, 10:20:17 PM
https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/1008864424935993344


I remember benji laughing at someone calling Carlson the voice of white supremacy on Fox.

haw haw haw



bonus:

https://twitter.com/LisPower1/status/1008726388743069696
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Post by: naff on June 18, 2018, 11:14:39 PM
yurope is way more civilized than the US tho, that's like a statistical fact. Also anecdotal in my case.(well canada, yurope litE).  I  fear what would happen in this crazy house if we had spanish or greek levels of youth unemployment.  :-\

I think that's mostly a facade. Some nations/areas for sure, but it's the same in the states. The increasing wealth disparity and slow erosion of Europe's middle class, and their rapid swing to the right fueled by fear of the other is not that dissimilar to the US. When the EU crumbles it's going to be a fuckin' shit show. What the US has achieved as a Republic in Economic and Political unity is an unattainable pipe dream for the EU.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on June 18, 2018, 11:49:32 PM
bonus:

https://twitter.com/LisPower1/status/1008726388743069696

Right-wing media hasn't quite settled on a narrative yet, so there's been a mix of:

-They're just child actors
-The tent cities are actually like summer camp!
-Actually, they aren't cages, they're holding cells made out of chain link fences
-Why do libs care more about illegals than American citizens?!?!?!?
-This will deter other illegal immigrants so we need to do it
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: toku on June 19, 2018, 12:06:54 AM
void in the world where emapthy should be is going to kill us
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Post by: team filler on June 19, 2018, 12:19:37 AM
 :fbm
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Post by: Purrp Skirrp on June 19, 2018, 01:19:36 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/FGsXhyx.gif)  filler doesn't like this.
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Post by: Mandark on June 19, 2018, 07:27:32 AM
Shosta, I'd be skeptical of how decent the conditions of those facilities are. The pictures we've seen are the ones the DHS picked out to release.

Besides the general low expectations to have for a government agency with very little oversight whose mission is a punitive one, also remember that separating these kids is new policy. Those facilities have been set up for unaccompanied minors (ie older kids and teens). Abruptly dumping a bunch of small children and toddlers in their lap? This agency, under this administration? Not great, Bob.
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Post by: Nintex on June 19, 2018, 04:45:21 PM
That Tucker commentary is some Handmaid's Tale shit.  :doge

allegedly Miller and co. are showing Trump videos of happy children smiling and laughing and he thinks all the caged videos they're showing on the news are fake

 :trumps
I do you one worse(better?), Trump will visit one of these sites with Melania to show 'everybody is having a good time'.
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: warcock on June 19, 2018, 06:20:45 PM
yurope is way more civilized than the US tho, that's like a statistical fact. Also anecdotal in my case.(well canada, yurope litE).  I  fear what would happen in this crazy house if we had spanish or greek levels of youth unemployment.  :-\

I think that's mostly a facade. Some nations/areas for sure, but it's the same in the states. The increasing wealth disparity and slow erosion of Europe's middle class, and their rapid swing to the right fueled by fear of the other is not that dissimilar to the US. When the EU crumbles it's going to be a fuckin' shit show. What the US has achieved as a Republic in Economic and Political unity is an unattainable pipe dream for the EU.

Nah bro, the institutions that have been established in most western eu countries are a pipe dream for us to acheive and it has nothing to do with size or technical feasibility but rather political or popular will. Furthermore without getting into an oecd metrics debate just look at our income inequality comparisons broadly speaking. I mean hell, based Cali is a fucking shitshow compared.

https://goo.gl/images/1hyNBp

All that being said i share your gloomy sentiment with regards to the EU,  it is hard to see a way out at least without some massive restructuring and a two plus speed solution. I mean they literally self sabotaged and manufactured a 10 year recession. Where we diverge i guess is where we place merit. I am also not sure how they grow from here on out, then again I dont understand our current growth and unemployment rates either.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on June 19, 2018, 11:48:48 PM
I guess "Baby's First Concentration Camp" tested poorly.

http://time.com/5316764/toddler-immigrants-tender-age-shelters/
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Nintex on June 20, 2018, 12:47:30 PM
Lawful evil
https://twitter.com/joshledermanAP/status/1009452613824385025 (https://twitter.com/joshledermanAP/status/1009452613824385025)

Neutral evil
https://twitter.com/JaxAlemany/status/1009470534030118912 (https://twitter.com/JaxAlemany/status/1009470534030118912)

Chaotic evil
https://twitter.com/JaxAlemany/status/1009463881452982272 (https://twitter.com/JaxAlemany/status/1009463881452982272)
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Mandark on June 20, 2018, 07:11:28 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/7kkYPLj.png)

Facebook feed not disappointing.
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Post by: benjipwns on June 20, 2018, 07:39:11 PM
In Europe mexicans are also white

They're also white here for statistical purposes to hide how acute our white minority rule problem is.

Legitimate states doing legitimate state stuff.
My personal favorite is how they're categorized differently in federal crime statistics depending on the circumstances...no idea if that longstanding FBI policy had changed during the Obama Administration or not. IIRC, it was a "bipartisan" type of, let's say, ethnic stereotyping so it may not be one of those statistics that each administration changes back and forth.
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Post by: benjipwns on June 20, 2018, 07:58:34 PM
I remember benji laughing at someone calling Carlson the voice of white supremacy on Fox.

haw haw haw
I see through you and come straight at you, horsefucker. That was in relative comparison to other Fox Anchors (http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=44608.msg2276255;topicseen#msg2276255). :bolo

I stand by my assertion that Lou Dobbs is the Ur-Xenophobe/Racist at News Corp and that Tucker is probably not even close to the peak performer on standard Fox News. :hmph

spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-cherishes-lou-dobbs-so-much-he-puts-him-on-speakerphone-for-oval-office-meetings

https://twitter.com/LouDobbs/status/923235138481385473
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Post by: Steve Contra on June 20, 2018, 08:03:49 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/7kkYPLj.png)

Facebook feed not disappointing.
It's crazy that in 2018 we still throw the children of our volunteer military members into cages for the duration of their deployments.
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Post by: benjipwns on June 20, 2018, 08:09:46 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/7kkYPLj.png)

Facebook feed not disappointing.
It's crazy that in 2018 we still throw the children of our volunteer military members into cages for the duration of their deployments.
wow, look at the libertarian hot take about public schools over here
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Post by: Mandark on June 20, 2018, 08:24:36 PM
smh, defending Tucker cause he keeps having your favorite comedian Mark Steyn on his show
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Post by: benjipwns on June 20, 2018, 08:38:03 PM
mark busting out his latest set while tucker sits there and makes faces for three minutes :lawd

spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt6UcvZSt_E
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Post by: Brehvolution on June 21, 2018, 10:52:55 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/7kkYPLj.png)

Facebook feed not disappointing.

Forcibly? Didn't think so.
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Post by: Nola on June 21, 2018, 05:14:11 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/SVZLFfr.jpg?1)
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Post by: Mandark on June 21, 2018, 07:59:54 PM
I'm sure someone's already written about this, but mass migration is pretty widely expected as a result of climate change, by the people who project that sort of thing. Right now we're not doing shit about climate change and demonstrating how poorly we handle migration crises, so that's going to be fun.
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 21, 2018, 08:15:25 PM
1. Don't do anything about climate change
2. Seal off the borders
3. Profit!
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Post by: benjipwns on June 21, 2018, 08:25:00 PM
just increase the height of the walls to match the oceans rise, jeez can't you lieberals figure anything out on your own?
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Mandark on July 30, 2018, 06:15:18 PM
‘Deleted’ families: What went wrong with Trump’s family-separation effort (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/social-issues/deleted-families-what-went-wrong-with-trumps-family-separation-effort/2018/07/28/54bcdcc6-90cb-11e8-8322-b5482bf5e0f5_story.html)

There was no real effort to set up a system to keep track of family connections so the children could be reunited with their parents eventually. Would almost certainly still be going on that way if it weren't for the public backlash.
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Post by: BlueTsunami on July 30, 2018, 06:21:35 PM
The fact that there are kids in the system who were torn from their parents with no information taken to reunite them gives me a particular sense of anxiety
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Post by: Great Rumbler on July 30, 2018, 07:09:14 PM
The fact that there are kids in the system who were torn from their parents with no information taken to reunite them gives me a particular sense of anxiety

It's the sort of things that, even a few years ago, people would have said "This can't happen in America" and yet here we are.
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Post by: team filler on August 02, 2018, 02:14:45 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/XL6PecO.png)
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 02, 2018, 03:50:58 AM
 :dead
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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 02, 2018, 12:04:12 PM
I know some immigration experts like PhD guys. And they just laugh at America. As one of them put it "America doesn't have an immigration PROBLEM, it has an immigration SOLUTION. They just don't know it."

I have to agree. Too bad there's racism and all that.
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Post by: Nintex on August 02, 2018, 12:52:20 PM
I know some immigration experts like PhD guys. And they just laugh at America. As one of them put it "America doesn't have an immigration PROBLEM, it has an immigration SOLUTION. They just don't know it."

I have to agree. Too bad there's racism and all that.
Yes they are building the wall  :usacry

 :american :american :american

Not only will it solve immigration:
- it will also solve the problem  of bags of drugs being catapulted to the other side
- it will create at least thousands of jobs
- it will create new businesses and entrepreneurship like wall sightseeing
- it will be bigger and better than the wall they have in China
- it can be seen from space so SPACE FORCE pilots can pinpoint the exact location of the greatest country on earth at all times
- It will solve the problem of socialism because even if people elect socialism there's no money left to fund it
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Post by: Mandark on August 02, 2018, 01:41:39 PM
I know some immigration experts like PhD guys. And they just laugh at America. As one of them put it "America doesn't have an immigration PROBLEM, it has an immigration SOLUTION. They just don't know it."

I have to agree. Too bad there's racism and all that.

We have an intractable political deadlock because some people get viscerally angry whenever they're given the option of pressing dos for español.
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: curly on August 02, 2018, 03:24:31 PM
I know some immigration experts like PhD guys. And they just laugh at America. As one of them put it "America doesn't have an immigration PROBLEM, it has an immigration SOLUTION. They just don't know it."

I have to agree. Too bad there's racism and all that.

What do they mean by that exactly? As in the US immigration system is generally pretty good?
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 02, 2018, 03:38:33 PM
They view the US's ability to assimilate immigrants into its society as a solution to a bunch of problems. Something like 80% of the first generation immigrants in the US identify as "American" and nearly 100% of second generation immigrants do. That's vastly higher than any other country in the world. Their view of it is as wealthy societies age and start having less children that immigrants are needed to keep the society afloat (capitalism requires perpetual growth) and immigration is a good solution to that IF you can ensure that your new immigrants are successfully integrated into the cultural melting pot. That's why Europe has such a problem, because their assimilation is poor at best and don't even start on Japan (who is basically fucked, btw). With people living longer and having less kids you need immigrants, US has a great solution there if they could bring themselves to acknowledge it. But they won't.
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Post by: benjipwns on August 03, 2018, 12:00:18 AM
There's a lot of hilarious loops about our historical success at that kind of integration that restrictionists try to jump through. Like you only have to go back a hundred years or so to flabbergast even the elite in America about what we will consider fully "white" these days.

You can even look at stuff like how our Supreme Court of all things recently had five Catholics and three Jews on it, and two of the Justices are second-generation immigrants. And Thomas' family on both sides is descended from actual slaves. (Like Thurgood Marshall also was. No Obama fake news Hawai'i crap here!) Yet most of those things aren't seen as the problems with the justices despite their power except in certain fringe areas like YouTube. Almost sixty years ago we had people literally asking JFK on the campaign trail if he was going to be for America or a tool of the Pope. (His father remembered when the Irish were still the "foreign newcomer hordes taking over Boston" and once reminded one of the Lodge's who were complaining about it that the difference between their families was "only a couple of boats" which is a pretty clever comeback I think.)

And the fear about Hispanics is that in 70 years they'll be enough of the population to somehow change our already immigrant mishmash socio-political culture. But if you look at their complaint, that's with current rates of illegals which is the only part they object to as they always point out. If we opened up legal immigration, those illegal hispanics will probably be swamped with "good ones" from the rest of the world to stop them from single mindly taking over the culture.

Well, maybe not, since a good chunk will be Muslims or "too Muslim-adjacent for comfort" like Indians/Africans. It'll be sharia law AND corrupt drug-and-rice-fueled socialism.
Title: Re: Whats the endlosung for mexicans in the us?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 04, 2018, 01:55:29 AM
Apparently Mexicans are voting for Trump and then being deported

Typical stupid gop voter serves them right

Quote
Temo didn’t figure his vote for Donald Trump would affect them personally. 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/03/us-marine-wife-alejandra-juarez-deported-mexico
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Post by: team filler on August 04, 2018, 02:45:22 AM
Apparently Mexicans are voting for Trump and then being deported

Typical stupid gop voter serves them right

Quote
Temo didn’t figure his vote for Donald Trump would affect them personally. 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/03/us-marine-wife-alejandra-juarez-deported-mexico

Now she can help pay for the wall!

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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 04, 2018, 05:13:42 AM
No me sento ta bien senor Trump
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Post by: Brehvolution on May 21, 2019, 09:39:38 AM
"He's hurting the wrong people."  :ltg