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Title: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 11, 2018, 10:24:45 AM
Latest trailer is perfection. If you are interested in this title I will buy it for you. I will hold a contest.

https://youtu.be/AgOFsm4vbaM
https://youtu.be/zsM_-HWDRa4
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: HardcoreRetro on August 11, 2018, 10:40:03 AM
If you are interested in this title I will buy it for you. I will hold a contest.

Well, which is it?
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 11, 2018, 10:42:37 AM
Both. I will gift as well as hold a contest.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Kara on August 11, 2018, 12:34:30 PM
Suck it Yakuza, the king is back for his crown. :bow2
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 11, 2018, 01:50:59 PM
We can talk Shenmue without mentioning Yakuza. :lol
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Positive Touch on August 11, 2018, 02:43:35 PM
TEN MORE DAYYYYYYYSSSSSS

https://youtu.be/ckZlj2p8W9M
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: daycru on August 11, 2018, 08:42:15 PM
Please buy Shenmue for me
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 11, 2018, 10:10:32 PM
Please buy Shenmue for me

Are you a fan
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Coax on August 11, 2018, 10:11:44 PM
How long does it take to complete the main story in each title?
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 11, 2018, 10:27:36 PM
Idk 20 for 1 and 30 for 2? The games don’t have an in game clock so I really don’t know.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: demi on August 11, 2018, 11:15:46 PM
I will take it. Xbox One
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Marine Todd on August 12, 2018, 12:31:02 AM
there was a guy in my high school who looked like chai everyone called him sloth

never played the 2nd one is sloth in it?
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 12, 2018, 12:48:10 AM
Chai isn’t in II. Chai sucks and I hate him.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: paprikastaude on August 12, 2018, 04:52:30 AM
I can't imagine this having a high print, so I guess I'll get it. At the very least I can already say that I like the Dreamcast feel.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Svejk on August 12, 2018, 12:15:02 PM
Gonna wait till there's a narrowed down release window for 3.  Gonna binge the trilogy and it will be glorious.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Marine Todd on August 12, 2018, 12:44:55 PM
Chai isn’t in II. Chai sucks and I hate him.

(https://i.imgur.com/cKLlx4B.jpg)
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Kara on August 12, 2018, 01:09:09 PM
Picking it up later down the line. I feel like I should be excited as I used to love the shit out of these games but those feelings dissipated a long time ago and there's probably a reason for that.

I know it's going to be hard to go back to playing the series (when 3 comes out) because I'm not at a place in my life where I can just chill and let the gameplay come to me.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Tasty on August 12, 2018, 02:32:13 PM
Switch when
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 12, 2018, 02:40:40 PM
Picking it up later down the line. I feel like I should be excited as I used to love the shit out of these games but those feelings dissipated a long time ago and there's probably a reason for that.

I know it's going to be hard to go back to playing the series (when 3 comes out) because I'm not at a place in my life where I can just chill and let the gameplay come to me.

Shenmue is very gameplay oriented. Think of it as animal crossing with martial artists crossed with an adventure game. It’s a game series you relax to. It’s not something you force. Definitely not for everyone but the games are pretty gameplay focused and barely have cutscene. What you see is what you get.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Tasty on August 12, 2018, 04:14:38 PM
Switch when

Probs never.

:mjcry
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 12, 2018, 04:50:02 PM
It’s a shame too because I think Nintendo fans are the best equipped to appreciate Shenmue’s brand of relaxing gameplay.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Kara on August 12, 2018, 05:17:27 PM
Shenmue is very gameplay oriented. Think of it as animal crossing with martial artists crossed with an adventure game. It’s a game series you relax to. It’s not something you force. Definitely not for everyone but the games are pretty gameplay focused and barely have cutscene. What you see is what you get.

I wasn't saying they weren't gameplay focused.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: daycru on August 13, 2018, 12:50:08 AM
Please buy Shenmue for me

Are you a fan
I loved the original but never had a system to play the sequel
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: kingv on August 13, 2018, 01:11:55 AM
Ive gotten really into yakuza, so I want to try out the competition. I think I played maybe 30 minutes of it on Dreamcast when it came out.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 13, 2018, 01:50:59 AM
Ive gotten really into yakuza, so I want to try out the competition.

Ugh. It’s not its competition. As a fan of both you are already setting yourself up for failure.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on August 13, 2018, 07:59:40 AM
i haven't found any decent presale discounts so i think i'm gonna hold off til after it comes out. Sega has been alright about this kinda thing but i'm still wary of ports, so i'll grab it if it's solid and hold off til it's on sale/modders fix it if it's superjank. probably won't wait too long cuz honestly i am kinda excited to play it again
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 13, 2018, 09:27:23 AM
It costs 30 dollars.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 13, 2018, 01:36:06 PM
Shenmue 1 was a revelation back in the day. I tried out 2 a while back and just got fed up with QTEs and the slowness. Wan Chai, Wan Chai, Wan Chai.

Don't know if I should try again and either fix or ruin my memories of it or leave it as is and try to remember it fondly.

I'm finding some remasters just don't hold up without Nostalgia. Like I tried Dark Souls Remaster recently and I couldn't play it compared to Bloodbourne and Dark Souls 3. Maybe I'll go back, but why spend time playing a lesser game?
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 13, 2018, 03:34:54 PM
You didn’t get to Lishao Tao or Wan Chai?

I mean, the pacing is far better in 2. And while the beginning is slow it doesn’t take long to get to Wan Chai.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 13, 2018, 03:36:01 PM
i haven't found any decent presale discounts
No idea if you consider this decent, but also for anyone else, it's $24 to preorder at:
https://www.fanatical.com/en/game/shenmue-i-ii
https://www.indiegala.com/store/product/758330
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 13, 2018, 04:00:18 PM
No offense to Puppy as this reflects on a lot of gamers including me.

But I think a lot of gamers have a predisposition or blaming the game more than themselves if they don’t like it. Like, I think Sonic sucks balls now. When Sonic 1 was the first game I ever owned and the franchise was a massive part of my gaming diet growing up. Yet I can’t stand playing it now because it’s not the type of platformer I want to play. So I blame the game for not being up to par with my own set of expectations.

Puppy said Dark Souls 1 doesn’t hold up simply because he thinks 3 is better. Which makes no sense. But to be fair,  Puppy is also a husband with kids (one of which is a teenager). So if he plays something, he probably would rather play something he enjoys more rather than waiting for the game to get better. Which makes sense, but it’s no fault of the game.

I think a lot of gamers especially old ones fall victim to their ideas of what the game should combined with their own lack of patience. So you blame the game even if it’s literally the same game you played and loved 18 or even 5 years ago. I think this says more about the players than the game probably and it’s hard to judge older games fairly because of it.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 13, 2018, 04:22:21 PM
You're absolutely right. I don't have much gaming time. So whatever I give time to I want to make sure it's the best use. Like Dark Souls 1 is a perfect example. I played Bloodborne first and it was bloody brilliant. My kid is a huge Dark Souls fan and has all the games, and I wanted to play the Souls series. I tried DS1 and was like "Man, this is slow....and painful" I kept on trying though, but my kid was like "You should just play 3 it's the best." Now I'm playing it and I'm loving it. I doubt I'll go back and play DS 1 or 2 because they're just not as polished. If I had more time, perhaps I'd give it more thought, but I don't have much time so it's not likely to happen.

Like, look dude, if I'm going to spend an hour looking for sailors, I'd rather it be actual sailors at this point. Back when Shenmue 1 was released I was all about that and thought it was great. But in 2018, I'd rather have a pleasant memory of what it was then, than the slog it might seem now.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 13, 2018, 04:47:00 PM
It makes sense.

Shenmue I takes quite a bit of patience. II is far more streamlined and the better game.

The problem is that Shenmue is overall an epic saga and the experience of going from big fish in a small pond to small fish in a big pond is a big part of the experience. So I don’t suggest skipping I but...if you want to, you can just watch the digest recap of 1. Then play II.

When I let Positive Touch borrow my copy of IIxbox he did just that. He couldn’t get through I anymore despite loving it when it came out and decided to say fuck it and skipped to II. He watched the digest film for a recap of events that comes with II. He thought II was one of the best games he’s ever played. I don’t know if he thinks he missed out on part of the experience of beating I then playing II but that’s something you’ll have to ask him. There’s a point in II where you reminiscence on the characters in I and it’s a big part of the experience of making the game feel like a massive epic adventure that makes the events in I feel so long ago. I’m not sure if Positive felt that way playing it. But it’s a part of the emotional impact of that section of the game. Again, ask Positive.

It might be an option for you.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Kara on August 13, 2018, 05:46:01 PM
Like, look dude, if I'm going to spend an hour looking for sailors, I'd rather it be actual sailors at this point.

RIP Silent Hunter
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 13, 2018, 07:22:06 PM
Like, look dude, if I'm going to spend an hour looking for sailors, I'd rather it be actual sailors at this point.

RIP Silent Hunter

Good riddance, Jane's is my waifu
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on August 13, 2018, 10:20:01 PM
It costs 30 dollars.

pc privilege has made it impossible for me to pay retail for games anymore  :yeshrug
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 17, 2018, 01:39:16 AM
I can't believe it's almost here. :tocry

Also a good article written about 'mue.

http://www.consolemonster.com/features/the-importance-of-shenmue-19-years-later/
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 17, 2018, 01:44:24 AM
Rewatching the Shenmue DF retro vids. The one for II still gets me excited. God, my absolute favorite game! Been holding off a run of II for this hd set!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0blSBgpRUg
https://youtu.be/7HNOSQqoUcg
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Kurt Russell on August 17, 2018, 05:47:51 PM
Just got my dispatch notice. It arrives tomorrow!

I thought this wasn't out for another week?
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Positive Touch on August 17, 2018, 05:49:05 PM
less than three days now fuck i need Sega goodness in my life

edit: ffffffffff
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 17, 2018, 06:14:50 PM
Just got my dispatch notice. It arrives tomorrow!

I thought this wasn't out for another week?

From who? Amazon?
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Kurt Russell on August 17, 2018, 06:19:27 PM
From who? Amazon?

365games
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 17, 2018, 06:32:25 PM
We almost here. Duck races here I come hnnnnng

https://youtu.be/drSnBazHVnI
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 17, 2018, 06:34:43 PM
I’m not big on the new QTE icons and the new menu looks a bit wanting but those are nitpicks.

I see they haven’t fixed slowdown during 70 man battle?
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Kurt Russell on August 17, 2018, 07:26:07 PM
I’m not big on the new QTE icons and the new menu looks a bit wanting but those are nitpicks.

I see they haven’t fixed slowdown during 70 man battle?

I read that it's locked to 30fps as a result of the game engine making assumptions that broke at any other frame rate. Not sure if this would cause that slowdown though...
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Kurt Russell on August 18, 2018, 12:57:21 PM
I'm starting to wonder if I ever should have gone back....

I believe there is a day 1 patch due to drop, so many of these issues may have been fixed, but currently

- (speech) audio is super bad. It's heavily compressed and full of digital artifacts. The characters all sound like they're talking over walkie talkies
- lots of graphic jank. There doesn't seem to be much difference between the remastered and og graphics. The woman in the udon shop looks like she has fucking claws rather than hands. Lots of tearing during cutscenes
- every quicktime event so far has only used two buttons - X and O
- there is way more casual racism in the game than I remember
- there are visual prompts missing from the game. This makes the fighting challenging as there's no way of knowing the input for moves unless you've memorized them all in advance.

The game is honestly starting to feel less polished than it does when run in dolphin. However, the day 1 patch may change a lot, the Shenmue Facebook page certainly seems to think so.

However - beneath all of this, there's still a great game, and I'm really enjoying revisiting Doubita. I just wonder how much of that is nostalgia and how much appeal this janky thing will have to first time players. Also, it goes without saying, it's twice the game that Yakuza will ever be.

(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/39442018_10217035634868203_9011880047539126272_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=967ad600aeced72179796929fab4c623&oe=5C0C644C)




Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 18, 2018, 01:08:48 PM
Remember that Shenmue QTE’s are based on battle movement.

Square - punch
X - kick
Triangle - evade
Circle - grab

So if Ryo has to jump over something it will be an X in the qte. If he punches something it’ll square. If he grabs someone it’ll be circle. If he needs to dodge someone and then jump it’ll left or right plus X. Shenmue’s qte’s aren’t random button prompts as in other games.

As for the issues, I’d wait for the day 1 patch before making a judgement.

Mind recording 10 minutes of gameplay in 1 with Japanese voices on?
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Kurt Russell on August 18, 2018, 01:12:38 PM

Mind recording 10 minutes of gameplay in 1 with Japanese voices on?

Yeah I'll do that and chuck it up on youtube for you this evening. I didn't opt for Japanese voices (yeah I know, the English voices are crap, but it's the way I played on the Dreamcast so....) - the Japanese audio may be better. Who knows.

Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 18, 2018, 01:37:21 PM
A couple of tips to get you or anyone new to Shenmue started:

- Shenmue 1 is an old game. It will not hold your hand. You must find information using your own common sense. The game at its heart is an adventure game. You investigate you, you puzzle solve. In this game the “puzzles” are mostly related to information on people and places. Consider talking to people your “show this item to an npc and see what they say” button like in a point and click adventure game. You don’t need to show every npc the item to solve the puzzle. The game wants you to use your mind to solve it. The npcs might offer hints but that’s it. Shenmue works this way. Npcs can point you to the right direction, but often after that it’s best to just use your head. Otherwise you’ll often get a lot of repeating information. I noticed a lot from new players like giant bomb that they ask every npc where to go rather than using their own sense after one or two leads. They want the game to hold their hand and they enjoy it less because of it. So you’re looking for sailors right? Where do sailors like to hang out at night? They generally go to bars at night, right? So you need to find a bar at night. But where are bars? That’s the puzzle. This is why comparing Shenmue to Yakuza is dumb. They are literally two different genres.

- memorize the map as soon as possible for this reason.

- turn on location skip in the menu. This allows you to skip to any location in the general local area that isn’t the Yokohama harbor when Ryo steps outside his front door. If you want to go to the front yard just press down. Great time saver.

- I suggest memorize the phone numbers. So when you want to call you don’t have to open your journal. The area code is 0468 and you don’t have to dial it in. So Nozomi’s number is 0468-22-5508. You only need to dial in the 22-5508. But if you do need to use the journal you can pick up the phone and simply hit the journal button while using it for a quick glance making it easier. You don’t have to do them in two separate actions. Remember to call your friends!

- have patience with the game up until Charlie. The pacing is very slow up until that point but picks up once you’re involved with Charlie.

- have patience in general tbh. It’s an old game where things are meant to be explored and savored. Explore the world and do mini games when you’re waiting. Make it fun. Try to collect every damn capsule toy or play darts. Btw you can transfer toys to II. So it becomes some massive collection hunt and it’s really, really fun. Think of it as a gacha. There are some toys that are much easier to get in I than II. Like Kids silver Dural which might only be in I.

- follow the games detaisl. Try following an npc their entire day and see how complicated their routine is. Start with Ine. She cooks, cleans, all sorts of stuff.

- if you get stuck go to Lapis fortune telling.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 18, 2018, 01:49:07 PM
Listening to these as I clean this weekend. I'm ready.

https://youtu.be/bWm8Gml8w4w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxZrVCa517w
https://youtu.be/OLzlv8wgSuo
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Positive Touch on August 18, 2018, 05:50:32 PM
i found my shenmue orchestra cd in my car and it was covered in lotion wtf. hope it still works after i clean it.

also got dammit i thought it was Sunday the other day but it's only Saturday now. this wait is forever.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 18, 2018, 08:42:57 PM
Wash it with dish soap and run water over it. Then dry it off with a microfiber cloth.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: paprikastaude on August 19, 2018, 10:42:45 AM
lol just noticed the PS360 bloom they've added to the remaster :kobeyuck
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 19, 2018, 10:46:41 AM
It doesn’t look too bad. Compared to the bloom in ShenmueIIx it looks like it enhances the game in some way.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Kurt Russell on August 19, 2018, 03:47:14 PM
First 20 minutes or so:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bo1mly27twu5p6h/Shenmue_20180819195434.mp4?dl=0
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 19, 2018, 05:57:57 PM
My heart is bursting from excitement after watching that. It looks fantastic. There’s no slow down when Ryo grabs Ine in the intro like in the Dreamcast version. Loading is near instant. Hnnnnnnnnnnng!!!!!!!!!! I can’t bslieve it. And the bloom doesn’t look bad! :lawd We made it. :tocry
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 19, 2018, 06:25:23 PM
A couple of tips to get you or anyone new to Shenmue started:

- Shenmue 1 is an old game. It will not hold your hand. You must find information using your own common sense. The game at its heart is an adventure game. You investigate you, you puzzle solve. In this game the “puzzles” are mostly related to information on people and places. Consider talking to people your “show this item to an npc and see what they say” button like in a point and click adventure game. You don’t need to show every npc the item to solve the puzzle. The game wants you to use your mind to solve it. The npcs might offer hints but that’s it. Shenmue works this way. Npcs can point you to the right direction, but often after that it’s best to just use your head. Otherwise you’ll often get a lot of repeating information. I noticed a lot from new players like giant bomb that they ask every npc where to go rather than using their own sense after one or two leads. They want the game to hold their hand and they enjoy it less because of it. So you’re looking for sailors right? Where do sailors like to hang out at night? They generally go to bars at night, right? So you need to find a bar at night. But where are bars? That’s the puzzle. This is why comparing Shenmue to Yakuza is dumb. They are literally two different genres.

- memorize the map as soon as possible for this reason.

- turn on location skip in the menu. This allows you to skip to any location in the general local area that isn’t the Yokohama harbor when Ryo steps outside his front door. If you want to go to the front yard just press down. Great time saver.

- I suggest memorize the phone numbers. So when you want to call you don’t have to open your journal. The area code is 0468 and you don’t have to dial it in. So Nozomi’s number is 0468-22-5508. You only need to dial in the 22-5508. But if you do need to use the journal you can pick up the phone and simply hit the journal button while using it for a quick glance making it easier. You don’t have to do them in two separate actions. Remember to call your friends!

- have patience with the game up until Charlie. The pacing is very slow up until that point but picks up once you’re involved with Charlie.

- have patience in general tbh. It’s an old game where things are meant to be explored and savored. Explore the world and do mini games when you’re waiting. Make it fun. Try to collect every damn capsule toy or play darts. Btw you can transfer toys to II. So it becomes some massive collection hunt and it’s really, really fun. Think of it as a gacha. There are some toys that are much easier to get in I than II. Like Kids silver Dural which might only be in I.

- follow the games detaisl. Try following an npc their entire day and see how complicated their routine is. Start with Ine. She cooks, cleans, all sorts of stuff.

- if you get stuck go to Lapis fortune telling.

- pet the cat
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 20, 2018, 03:04:47 AM
It looks so beautiful. :tocry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBryKFAVb1Q
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: demi on August 20, 2018, 08:23:17 AM
What are your thoughts on the trophy/achievements

https://psnprofiles.com/trophies/8046-shenmue
https://psnprofiles.com/trophies/8045-shenmue-ii
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 20, 2018, 09:59:10 AM
The achievements are pathetic. The hardest one is winning the race in I. The rest are done in the story or easy.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: HardcoreRetro on August 20, 2018, 02:09:13 PM
Why the hell would anyone want to play the game with the japanese audio and not the superior english one.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 20, 2018, 02:18:53 PM
:lol
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: bork on August 20, 2018, 02:21:36 PM
Why the hell would anyone want to play the game with the japanese audio and not the superior english one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Cv8trPQAI
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 20, 2018, 02:26:52 PM
Lucky hit is fun as shit
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Positive Touch on August 20, 2018, 05:34:20 PM
https://twitter.com/RPGSite/status/1031391295732768768?s=19

99% of the reason I'm hyped for this rerelease is so i never have to hear this shit again
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: BisMarckie on August 20, 2018, 05:36:53 PM
The crummy voice acting was the only fun I could get out of Shenmue I.
Tom and military surplus guy :lawd

Don't kill me Cindi.  :doge
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 20, 2018, 05:37:46 PM
Shenmue in Japanese :rejoice
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Positive Touch on August 20, 2018, 08:48:57 PM
just preordered on psn and there's a timer that stops three hours from now. does that mean I'll be able to play it then?
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 20, 2018, 08:50:46 PM
Yeah.

Are you going to give I another shot or just jump straight to II da GOAT?
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Positive Touch on August 20, 2018, 08:56:47 PM
i wanna play 1 again, especially since stuff carries over this time. might even go crazy and aim for all collectables.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Trent Dole on August 21, 2018, 04:11:11 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPmrxy2ChKA
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Svejk on August 21, 2018, 08:21:57 AM
Since we got approximately a year till S3, I'm gonna wait on this.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: daycru on August 21, 2018, 09:14:15 AM
https://twitter.com/RPGSite/status/1031391295732768768?s=19

99% of the reason I'm hyped for this rerelease is so i never have to hear this shit again
Holy shit
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Rufus on August 21, 2018, 10:25:02 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz-TGrhfw_s
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: mormapope on August 21, 2018, 11:07:19 AM
I was gonna play it in Japanese, but Ive grown attached to the English dub for some reason. The Japanese dub is definitely better, but it just brings back a lot of memories playing Shenmue in English.

Im actually enjoying Shenmue 1 a lot more than  i thought I would. Must be going on 10 years ago when I played and beat it. I beat Shenmue 2 on OG Zbox around 2005.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: BisMarckie on August 21, 2018, 11:09:44 AM
I played Shenmue when it came out and thought it did some interesting stuff but hated playing it.
Then I watched the GB Endurance Run and I want to go back to it. :doge

I am probably buying it on steam tonight when I don't have anything to do tonight.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: HardcoreRetro on August 21, 2018, 11:26:53 AM
Well, I did my part Cindi.

Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Positive Touch on August 21, 2018, 11:47:44 AM
must find sailors
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 21, 2018, 11:56:27 AM
I played an hour.

I can’t believe it.

I was going to speed it and get to the sailors immediately but was so transfixed with the details in hd that I just forgot about the time and mixed Liu’s Barbershop.

My only issues so far:

Echo voices
Bloom (turned it off)
Black darks (turn up the contrast but not too much)
Lack of full analog movement like in Shenmue II for I for which is baffling.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 21, 2018, 12:02:12 PM
Holy shit just tried II and the controls are a massive downgrade from the Dreamcast and Xbox versions. You can only run with the run button?! Why?! Also the cutscenes for II are so fucking small it’s immersion breaking.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Positive Touch on August 21, 2018, 12:11:16 PM
remember, day one patch should be released in a few hours.

having a blast so far but i need to slow down. it's noon on the third day and I'm already looking for sailors lol.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 21, 2018, 12:14:14 PM
You’re doing fine. I can get to the point where you look for Charlie on the first day. You’re fine.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 21, 2018, 12:29:48 PM
1.01 isn’t the day one patch?
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Positive Touch on August 21, 2018, 12:32:20 PM
oh maybe it is. i assumed there'd be a patch out today bc they were talking about one, and my game hasn't updated at all.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: bork on August 21, 2018, 02:14:00 PM
This just arrived.  Wondering if I should return it- checked out footage of the port and it just looks so dated and boring.  I want it for my collection and $29 is cheap though...although I was would probably rather have this on PC to try as a portable game.  Decisions. :thinking
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 21, 2018, 02:23:27 PM
If you’re going to play it, then play. I don’t want to read about your bitching when you bought it when you don’t even like Shenmue.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Svejk on August 21, 2018, 02:24:46 PM
This just arrived.  Wondering if I should return it- checked out footage of the port and it just looks so dated and boring.  I want it for my collection and $29 is cheap though...although I was would probably rather have this on PC to try as a portable game.  Decisions. :thinking
:ufup  Just keep it and don't open it.  If you sell it now, you'll only end up buying it again down the road... you know you will... especially when S3 hype stirs up again.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: demi on August 21, 2018, 02:26:39 PM
> he buys games and doesnt play them

 :girlaff
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: bork on August 21, 2018, 02:27:52 PM
This just arrived.  Wondering if I should return it- checked out footage of the port and it just looks so dated and boring.  I want it for my collection and $29 is cheap though...although I was would probably rather have this on PC to try as a portable game.  Decisions. :thinking
:ufup  Just keep it and don't open it.  If you sell it now, you'll only end up buying it again down the road... you know you will... especially when S3 hype stirs up again.

It's just a question of keeping it or waiting for it to hit $20.  :)

> he buys games and doesnt play them

 :girlaff

I collect games too.
:snob
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Svejk on August 21, 2018, 02:31:41 PM
This just arrived.  Wondering if I should return it- checked out footage of the port and it just looks so dated and boring.  I want it for my collection and $29 is cheap though...although I was would probably rather have this on PC to try as a portable game.  Decisions. :thinking
:ufup  Just keep it and don't open it.  If you sell it now, you'll only end up buying it again down the road... you know you will... especially when S3 hype stirs up again.

It's just a question of keeping it or waiting for it to hit $20.  :)
I know I am.  :heh
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: bork on August 21, 2018, 02:32:10 PM
This just arrived.  Wondering if I should return it- checked out footage of the port and it just looks so dated and boring.  I want it for my collection and $29 is cheap though...although I was would probably rather have this on PC to try as a portable game.  Decisions. :thinking
:ufup  Just keep it and don't open it.  If you sell it now, you'll only end up buying it again down the road... you know you will... especially when S3 hype stirs up again.

It's just a question of keeping it or waiting for it to hit $20.  :)
I know I am.  :heh
:heyman
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 21, 2018, 02:46:04 PM
The more I think of what they did with II the more I feel disappointed. II is my absolute favorite game and I can’t believe it has small ass cutscenes and downgraded controls and this is being sold as an upgrade.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: bork on August 21, 2018, 02:54:49 PM
Am seeing reports of freezing issues all over the place in Shenmue 1.  Did they really fuck this up that badly?
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: paprikastaude on August 21, 2018, 03:04:14 PM
picked this up, don't tell me it's shit now  :lol
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: bork on August 21, 2018, 03:05:30 PM
picked this up, don't tell me it's shit now  :lol

And over on PC...

(https://image.ibb.co/dH2qJK/image.png)

 :lol

Will wait for the patch that will hopefully release today to see about keeping it. 
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: BisMarckie on August 21, 2018, 03:08:48 PM


And over on PC...

(https://image.ibb.co/dH2qJK/image.png)




Can't wait until people find out that the PC version of Shenmue is running nullDC or some other old ass Dreamcast emulator code  :lol

:thinking
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 21, 2018, 03:09:03 PM
That looks like nulldc emulation which happens on nulldc
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Positive Touch on August 21, 2018, 03:09:37 PM
I've played 1 for a few hours and the only glitch I've seen is some dropped sound effects. did hear about some crashing tho.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Svejk on August 21, 2018, 03:16:35 PM
That looks like nulldc emulation which happens on nulldc
That's EXACTLY what it must be. lol  Speaking of, the latest Reicast update runs this decently in widescreen now.  I may just do that for the time being.  :doge
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: HardcoreRetro on August 21, 2018, 03:17:59 PM
My PS4 version had glitched cutscenes. Camera once got stuck in a cupboard. Another time only a few assets loaded. Was looking at a void with only a few walls and the piggybank flying in mid-air.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Kurt Russell on August 21, 2018, 03:19:20 PM
1.01 isn’t the day one patch?

I was on version 1.01 on Saturday. I'm wondering where this new patch has gotten to. I'm sure a bunch of cut scenes that I remember are AWOL, the dark is TOO dark and it still sounds like they're talking to each other through baked bean cans and pieces of string. GRRRRRRR.

I've played 1 for a few hours and the only glitch I've seen is some dropped sound effects. did hear about some crashing tho.

The entire cut scene where
spoiler (click to show/hide)
fukusan gives Ryu money for a boat
[close]
just played as a grey screen. I could hear the dialog but that's it - I had to try and
spoiler (click to show/hide)
smash his piggy bank
[close]
without being able to see what I was doing....
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 21, 2018, 03:20:57 PM
I hate being a Shenmue fan. Today was supposed to be a celebration. It’s the first Shenmue release since 2002. Instead we get a re-release with downgrades and bugs and a new trailer for III which will probably suck. The Buddha was right: life truly is suffering.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 21, 2018, 03:21:34 PM
1.01 isn’t the day one patch?

I was on version 1.01 on Saturday. I'm wondering where this new patch has gotten to. I'm sure a bunch of cut scenes that I remember are AWOL, the dark is TOO dark and it still sounds like they're talking to each other through baked bean cans and pieces of string. GRRRRRRR.

1.01 reportedly IS the day one patch.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: demi on August 21, 2018, 03:22:21 PM
So should we not buy this out of spite now and stick with our originals
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: bork on August 21, 2018, 03:26:26 PM
(https://image.ibb.co/d8PFkz/image.png)
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 21, 2018, 03:26:36 PM
I DONT KNOW :tocry
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: bork on August 21, 2018, 03:27:52 PM
I hate being a Shenmue fan. Today was supposed to be a celebration. It’s the first Shenmue release since 2002. Instead we get a re-release with downgrades and bugs and a new trailer for III which will probably suck. The Buddha was right: life truly is suffering.

That sucks, Himu- Know you were hyped and it looks like the bugs/port quality here really deflated it.  Dunno about III since they still haven't really shown much.

1.01 reportedly IS the day one patch.

 :-\
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: HardcoreRetro on August 21, 2018, 03:28:27 PM
They just made it a modern game. It's like any of the Assassin's Creed games now.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Kurt Russell on August 21, 2018, 03:32:10 PM
(https://image.ibb.co/d8PFkz/image.png)

Ryu: "Huh"
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 21, 2018, 03:32:48 PM
I hate being a Shenmue fan. Today was supposed to be a celebration. It’s the first Shenmue release since 2002. Instead we get a re-release with downgrades and bugs and a new trailer for III which will probably suck. The Buddha was right: life truly is suffering.

That sucks, Himu- Know you were hyped and it looks like the bugs/port quality here really deflated it.  Dunno about III since they still haven't really shown much.

1.01 reportedly IS the day one patch.

 :-\

I don’t know how to feel tbh. On one hand Shenmue first releasensince 2002. On the other hand my standards and expectations were low as it is and they haven’t even been met.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: bork on August 21, 2018, 03:33:38 PM
Himu, is this true?

Quote from: Krejlooc, post: 11718920, member: 12790
In terms of rpg structure, shenmue I is the town, shenmue 2 is a series of dungeons. Shenmue I is all about building your character, building up his inventory (yes, those small plastic toys can be important) and leveling up your moves. Train as much as possible, it pays off in shenmue 2.

If its not obvious, training levels up individual moves in shenmue, which alters them and makes them do more damage, more attacks, etc.

A big part of shenmue 2 is an underground fighting tournament that has fights you can continuously go back to, but by the time that rolls around you dont have the ability to train your moves quite the same, so put in your work in shenmue 1.

A lot of the more mundane things you can optionally do in shenmue 1, dont really pay off until shenmue 2.

Makes me want to play both games if so.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: paprikastaude on August 21, 2018, 03:34:15 PM
I only watched 2 reviews prior and they didn't report any of this except the stamp-tier cutscenes in 2. But I think they were talking about PS4.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: bork on August 21, 2018, 03:36:07 PM
I only watched 2 reviews prior and they didn't report any of this except the stamp-tier cutscenes in 2. But I think they were talking about PS4.

It's hard to tell with some of these reviews.  Like this guy just gushes about it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAwZieRMhlI

But that's kind of his thing and he does that for every game.   :lol
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: bork on August 21, 2018, 03:37:27 PM
People are saying there is supposed to be another patch today.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Kurt Russell on August 21, 2018, 03:37:33 PM
My memory is hazy, because 20 years, but when you're sparring, is it not supposed to display the sequence required to execute the move you're practising?

I got asked to practice a move with fukusan earlier and all he gave me was the title of the move. I had no visual prompts of how to execute it and for some reason, could not access the menu to view the steps. So pretty fucking useless tbh. Is this a bug or an omission? I don't remember having this issue before.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: paprikastaude on August 21, 2018, 03:41:18 PM
I only watched 2 reviews prior and they didn't report any of this except the stamp-tier cutscenes in 2. But I think they were talking about PS4.

It's hard to tell with some of these reviews.  Like this guy just gushes about it:


But that's kind of his thing and he does that for every game.   :lol

That's what I watched and a German one  :dunno

e: also didn't digital foundry give their dumb approval too? :lol
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 21, 2018, 03:52:36 PM
Himu, is this true?

Quote from: Krejlooc, post: 11718920, member: 12790
In terms of rpg structure, shenmue I is the town, shenmue 2 is a series of dungeons. Shenmue I is all about building your character, building up his inventory (yes, those small plastic toys can be important) and leveling up your moves. Train as much as possible, it pays off in shenmue 2.

If its not obvious, training levels up individual moves in shenmue, which alters them and makes them do more damage, more attacks, etc.

A big part of shenmue 2 is an underground fighting tournament that has fights you can continuously go back to, but by the time that rolls around you dont have the ability to train your moves quite the same, so put in your work in shenmue 1.

A lot of the more mundane things you can optionally do in shenmue 1, dont really pay off until shenmue 2.

Makes me want to play both games if so.

Yeah it’s on the mark.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 21, 2018, 03:53:35 PM
Idk if I’m being ungrateful or if I just have standards
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: bork on August 21, 2018, 03:55:13 PM
Idk if I’m being ungrateful or if I just have standards

I mean, by a lot of accounts it's a bug-filled mess of a port, so I don't see why you wouldn't be disappointed.  Here's hoping they fix it- I wanted Shenmue II with Japanese language again.  :(
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Rufus on August 21, 2018, 03:58:28 PM
That's what I watched and a German one  :dunno

e: also didn't digital foundry give their dumb approval too? :lol
John probably didn't play enough to encounter any of these.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: bork on August 21, 2018, 03:59:43 PM
That's what I watched and a German one  :dunno

e: also didn't digital foundry give their dumb approval too? :lol
John probably didn't play enough to encounter any of these.

This kind of shit needs to stop, but I guess the sites have got to crank out videos ASAP.  He was hyping up Onrush, too- glad I didn't fall for that shit. 
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: BisMarckie on August 21, 2018, 03:59:53 PM
I guess I'll wait before buying this on steam tonight.  :doge
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Tasty on August 21, 2018, 04:05:36 PM
Hoping these kinks are worked out whenever I get around to playing these, which is presumably next summer before III (but I fully believe it's not making that date anyways, so...)
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 21, 2018, 04:11:17 PM
Being told by other Shenmue fans that I was the only who liked analog control in II and that I should deal with it because all modern games use a run button right now. Apparently I’ve been playing a game I regularly play for the past 12 years wrong.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: bork on August 21, 2018, 04:17:33 PM
that I should deal with it because all modern games use a run button right now

:huh :confused

Are you posting on REEE again?  :doge

Oh, GAF?  What did you expect?
:neogaf
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Positive Touch on August 21, 2018, 04:20:04 PM
haven't tried 2 yet but 1 is 99% fine. If there isn't a fix for them today then I'm sure it'll come soon enough, but right now it plays as stable as most any other game.

except for that one cutscene y'all are talking about; that seems to fuck up for everyone lol
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 21, 2018, 04:24:38 PM
that I should deal with it because all modern games use a run button right now

:huh :confused

Are you posting on REEE again?  :doge

Oh, GAF?  What did you expect?
:neogaf

No Shenmue Facebook group
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 21, 2018, 04:36:51 PM
Pc version apparently less buggy

https://www.shenmuedojo.com/forum/index.php?threads/the-current-build-of-the-pc-version-is-so-much-better-than-consoles.364/
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: bork on August 21, 2018, 04:55:24 PM
Pc version apparently less buggy

https://www.shenmuedojo.com/forum/index.php?threads/the-current-build-of-the-pc-version-is-so-much-better-than-consoles.364/

There's bugs in all three versions- Lots of PC bugs reported in this thread:

https://www.shenmuedojo.com/forum/index.php?threads/shenmue-i-ii-issues-bugs-thread-shenmue-dojo.340/

There really is no excuse for two old games to be re-released in this state.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Positive Touch on August 21, 2018, 05:28:27 PM
lmao these aren't overly buggy ports lol this is getting overblown
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: bork on August 21, 2018, 05:35:46 PM
lmao these aren't overly buggy ports lol this is getting overblown

Totally.

https://twitter.com/pete_tnt/status/1032017584705683458
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Tasty on August 21, 2018, 05:36:49 PM
Being told by other Shenmue fans that I was the only who liked analog control in II and that I should deal with it because all modern games use a run button right now. Apparently I’ve been playing a game I regularly play for the past 12 years wrong.

It was wrong when Super Mario 3D World replaced analogue control with a wrong button, so it's probably wrong here too.

We have analogue sticks for a reason.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Tasty on August 21, 2018, 05:39:40 PM
Though changing it to a run button wouldn't bother me much in a walking simulator like Shenmue as much as in a 3D platformer so it's hard for me to get too worked up about it.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 21, 2018, 05:41:03 PM
Let’s talk positives.

Shenmue 1 with Japanese voices might well be one of the most atmospheric games of all time. It’s not the best va but it’s still pretty dam good for its time. It just brings you so much more in the game world and it feels fantastic.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 21, 2018, 05:41:36 PM
Though changing it to a run button wouldn't bother me much in a walking simulator like Shenmue as much as in a 3D platformer so it's hard for me to get too worked up about it.

You run a lot in Shenmue though
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: mormapope on August 21, 2018, 05:42:24 PM
Silent Hill HD collection and the ZoE HD collection amount to the definition of bad remastering. Every HD remastering or collection for games past the 360/PS3 gen has a funky taste somewhere if you look hard enough.

The MGS HD collection was immaculate and bluepoint handled it. I still would get a visual glitch in MGS2 where all the water had a digital artifact rainbow rainbow pattern. The DMC HD collection on 360/PS3 had a bug where the Royal Guard style in DMC3 wouldn't work as intended, one of the abilities straight up wouldn't work.

All my rambling aside, these ports seem serviceable, and there aren't really fucked up issues yet.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 21, 2018, 08:23:57 PM
Working on a video with general tips and tricks for new or returning Shenmue players :heartbeat
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: daycru on August 21, 2018, 08:49:46 PM
Ugh might break down and buy before price drops, listening to the OST on YouTube
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 21, 2018, 11:38:20 PM
I’m having a blast :hyper
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 22, 2018, 01:00:22 AM
Holy shit I got kids silver dural!!!
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 22, 2018, 01:06:34 AM
Great us gamer post.

https://www.usgamer.net/articles/the-fans-who-never-let-shenmue-die

And great post from a Shenmue newcomer!

https://www.reddit.com/r/Shenmue/comments/996tel/first_timers_thoughts/
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Sho Nuff on August 22, 2018, 01:13:55 AM
Silent Hill HD collection and the ZoE HD collection amount to the definition of bad remastering. Every HD remastering or collection for games past the 360/PS3 gen has a funky taste somewhere if you look hard enough.

The MGS HD collection was immaculate and bluepoint handled it. I still would get a visual glitch in MGS2 where all the water had a digital artifact rainbow rainbow pattern. The DMC HD collection on 360/PS3 had a bug where the Royal Guard style in DMC3 wouldn't work as intended, one of the abilities straight up wouldn't work.

All my rambling aside, these ports seem serviceable, and there aren't really fucked up issues yet.

I think most DC ports have been okay since the Dreamcast just pushed raw polygons without any weird PS2-grade Emotion Engine Vector Unit frame buffer nonsense trickery. JUST DRAW THEM POLYGONS BABY
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: paprikastaude on August 22, 2018, 07:47:50 AM
I had no problems so far except it's not possible to turn the fucking bloom off. After a few seconds it will always come back. I only tried in the ingame menu though, maybe it works if I change it straight in the opening menu.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: bork on August 22, 2018, 07:49:02 AM
I had no problems so far except it's not possible to turn the fucking bloom off. After a few seconds it will always come back. I only tried in the ingame menu though, maybe it works if I change it straight in the opening menu.

Seeing others saying the same thing. 
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 22, 2018, 09:24:17 AM
https://www.resetera.com/threads/first-time-shenmue-players-your-thoughts-and-impressions.63499/
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Positive Touch on August 22, 2018, 09:32:35 AM
i want to win the home versions of the arcade games this time. i never fucking win those.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 22, 2018, 11:42:59 AM
The best dates for raffle are Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, January 1-4. You’re more likely to win the raffle on those days.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Bebpo on August 22, 2018, 02:18:04 PM
Silent Hill HD collection and the ZoE HD collection amount to the definition of bad remastering. Every HD remastering or collection for games past the 360/PS3 gen has a funky taste somewhere if you look hard enough.

The MGS HD collection was immaculate and bluepoint handled it. I still would get a visual glitch in MGS2 where all the water had a digital artifact rainbow rainbow pattern. The DMC HD collection on 360/PS3 had a bug where the Royal Guard style in DMC3 wouldn't work as intended, one of the abilities straight up wouldn't work.

All my rambling aside, these ports seem serviceable, and there aren't really fucked up issues yet.

Kinda aside, but did they fix that DMC3 issue? Would like to replay DMC3 someday and I love the RG parties so that sounds bad.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 22, 2018, 02:28:12 PM
Also Pos, increasing your raffle win: click x (ps4) or A (Xbox, Dreamcast) to the sound of Ryo shuffling the tickets. You press the confirm button after the fifth shuffle right before the X/A icon pops up.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: bork on August 22, 2018, 02:30:21 PM
Silent Hill HD collection and the ZoE HD collection amount to the definition of bad remastering. Every HD remastering or collection for games past the 360/PS3 gen has a funky taste somewhere if you look hard enough.

The MGS HD collection was immaculate and bluepoint handled it. I still would get a visual glitch in MGS2 where all the water had a digital artifact rainbow rainbow pattern. The DMC HD collection on 360/PS3 had a bug where the Royal Guard style in DMC3 wouldn't work as intended, one of the abilities straight up wouldn't work.

All my rambling aside, these ports seem serviceable, and there aren't really fucked up issues yet.

Kinda aside, but did they fix that DMC3 issue? Would like to replay DMC3 someday and I love the RG parties so that sounds bad.

Don't see anyone talking about a problem with Royal Guard in the PC/PS4/Xbone versions.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 22, 2018, 04:15:28 PM
Great thread!

https://www.resetera.com/threads/first-time-shenmue-players-your-thoughts-and-impressions.63499/

Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: HardcoreRetro on August 22, 2018, 04:26:19 PM
Them people finding out you have to look at an in-game map to find out where you are.

That was one of my favourite things in the first Darkness game. To properly use the subway you gotta read the signs and there's public information displays to find your bearings. (End up watching all old cartoons on the tv in the homeless guy's shopping cart instead of going where you have to go. Think there's entire movies on it. On Jackie's birthday you can watch the entirety of To Kill a Mockingbird with his girlfriend.)
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: kingv on August 22, 2018, 04:35:16 PM
I guess i preordered this... just got a notice to pick it up st Best Buy.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 22, 2018, 04:41:23 PM
Them people finding out you have to look at an in-game map to find out where you are.

That was one of my favourite things in the first Darkness game. To properly use the subway you gotta read the signs and there's public information displays to find your bearings. (End up watching all old cartoons on the tv in the homeless guy's shopping cart instead of going where you have to go. Think there's entire movies on it. On Jackie's birthday you can watch the entirety of To Kill a Mockingbird with his girlfriend.)

That sounds cool.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: HardcoreRetro on August 22, 2018, 04:49:35 PM
It's one of my favourite games from the PS3/360 era. FPS game with a heavy emphasis on storytelling. Same people that made the Chronicles of Riddick game.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 22, 2018, 05:01:32 PM
It's one of my favourite games from the PS3/360 era. FPS game with a heavy emphasis on storytelling. Same people that made the Chronicles of Riddick game.

I’ll check it. Riddick is one of my favorite FPS games.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Positive Touch on August 22, 2018, 08:45:48 PM
ngl i am sad they didn't work in the passport disc. i mean i knew they wouldn't, but still. i liked the online functions in those old dreamcast games; they had a lot of unique artwork.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 22, 2018, 09:05:15 PM
ngl i am sad they didn't work in the passport disc. i mean i knew they wouldn't, but still. i liked the online functions in those old dreamcast games; they had a lot of unique artwork.

Yeah same. That would have been my dream scenario: Shenmue  with working passport. Being a fan that came after they shut down the servers, I never got to experience passport. Thankfully the data (character profiles) was extracted to places like Dojo so it wasn’t lost entirely. A lot of features like winning cans can’t be used without it. Speaking of winning cans, take them to tomato for a free raffle. Save em up for Christmas.

Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 22, 2018, 10:02:37 PM
That reset thread has made my heart grow three times today. I can’t handle so many positive impressions of my favorite games!! After so long! The ridicule, the jokes, the trolls! We made it!!!! :rejoice
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Positive Touch on August 22, 2018, 10:14:47 PM
i honestly thought most people would write it off real fast; I'm honestly surprised that so many people have taken to it. kinda reminds me if last year's FF12 rerelease, as both games were really ragged on at release but have since gained acceptance bc their unusual gameplay isn't so unusual anymore.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 22, 2018, 10:46:33 PM
Sometimes you live long enough to become the hero :rejoice
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 23, 2018, 03:40:03 AM
https://www.shenmuedojo.com/forum/index.php?threads/shenmue-i-re-release-16-9-cutscenes-fix.358/

Espirral :bow
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Kurt Russell on August 23, 2018, 03:41:24 AM
i want to win the home versions of the arcade games this time. i never fucking win those.

I won one - never have done before. Can I actually play it?
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Positive Touch on August 23, 2018, 07:23:16 AM
bam got the space harrier disc fuck I'm awesome


If you check under the tv in ryo's living room you can find a Saturn. use your game disc in front of it and now you can play your game without going to the arcade!
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Kurt Russell on August 23, 2018, 08:00:47 AM
How the fuck is there a Saturn in 1986?!
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: bork on August 23, 2018, 08:27:58 AM
How the fuck is there a Saturn in 1986?!

Ryo's uncle's cousin's father's friend worked at Sega.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 23, 2018, 10:53:28 AM
Okay so, Shenmue HD doesn’t have soft reset. How do I use money exploits in 2 quickly and quickly reset after falling off a plank?
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 23, 2018, 11:01:41 AM
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I'm a recent Yakuza convert. 0 was my first and now I love the series

Now that I'm finally playing Shenmue, the whole "Yakuza is a better/evolved Shenmue" thing is just utterly baffling. The games couldn't be more different. It's like saying Fallout 3 is a better STALKER because they're both post-apocalyptic and have guns

Yakuza is a JRPG-esque brawler with copious amounts of combat, with insane over-the-top moments that somehow work perfectly with the emotional yakuza drama. It's fast and frenetic and flashy and everything revolves around fighting.

Shenmue is slow and sedate, a 3D visual novel/adventure game that occasionally has some combat, but is more concerned about letting you meander around town and being a slice-of-life proto-immersive sim.

The only similarities that Yakuza and Shenmue share is that they're story driven and that they happen in lively atmospheric sandboxes. Beyond that, the games are nothing alike. I don't get this continued insistence that Yakuza and Shenmue are so similar because they aren't, at all. They're practically in entirely different genres, their pace and gameplay and designs are so different

MORE_BADASS :bow
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: StealthFan on August 23, 2018, 08:15:35 PM
Nicca just fought some schoolgirls :jeanluc
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Trent Dole on August 24, 2018, 03:06:43 AM
https://twitter.com/GameSack/status/1032881307179610113
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: kingv on August 24, 2018, 10:13:30 AM
Going to pick up from Best Buy this afternoon... but not exactly sure when I will start it. So many games coming out soon.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: paprikastaude on August 24, 2018, 10:26:49 AM
I'm curiously digging the forklift quest, but this is also where the glitches got out of control. So far it was mostly sound glitches whose extent was bearable in contrast to the overall game time. But now the forklift bg song is bugged, it can't repeat more than a couple of times and any new event will add different kinds of broken noise until you restart the game from the PS menu.  ::) And you can't restart during the job, because you can only save afterwards. Also I just now saw that the entire training progression might be screwed up.

Admittedly, I'm still playing unpatched, since in my setup I usually keep my PS4 offline. It's funny. This is only the second offline HD game for which ever needed the day 1 patch - and it's a Dreamcast port. Christ Sega, fuck you. :picard
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: StealthFan on August 24, 2018, 01:34:13 PM
Widescreen cutscenes are now bugged :beli gonna wait for patch
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 24, 2018, 01:40:46 PM
I'm curiously digging the forklift quest, but this is also where the glitches got out of control. So far it was mostly sound glitches whose extent was bearable in contrast to the overall game time. But now the forklift bg song is bugged, it can't repeat more than a couple of times and any new event will add different kinds of broken noise until you restart the game from the PS menu.  ::) And you can't restart during the job, because you can only save afterwards. Also I just now saw that the entire training progression might be screwed up.

Admittedly, I'm still playing unpatched, since in my setup I usually keep my PS4 offline. It's funny. This is only the second offline HD game for which ever needed the day 1 patch - and it's a Dreamcast port. Christ Sega, fuck you. :picard

Get the patch.

And the job is relaxing and fun as shit. I like to maximize my profits and beat the quota every day.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 24, 2018, 01:41:31 PM
Disc 3 is the best part of the game. The mix of investigation and action with mundanity is Shenmue incarnate. Fantastic section and if you like that you're safe down the rest of the road.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: HardcoreRetro on August 24, 2018, 02:56:04 PM
Here's some positivity for this negative thread.

https://youtu.be/7t945PwBwMM

spoiler (click to show/hide)
You might get a kick out of the like/dislike ratio on the vid Cindi.
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Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 24, 2018, 03:12:14 PM
my problem with all these impressions and reviews is there's nothing on the superior game: shenmue II. In today, when Shenmue Ii is bundled, no one talks about it. :tocry Because Shenmue 1 is such a massive fucking litmus test to pass to even get to it.

My opinion can be summarized as follows: judging Shenmue franchise as a whole solely via 1 makes you a dumb fuck.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: mormapope on August 24, 2018, 03:30:07 PM
my problem with all these impressions and reviews is there's nothing on the superior game: shenmue II. In today, when Shenmue Ii is bundled, no one talks about it. :tocry Because Shenmue 1 is such a massive fucking litmus test to pass to even get to it.

My opinion can be summarized as follows: judging Shenmue franchise as a whole solely via 1 makes you a dumb fuck.
 

I'd say this is the case because Shenmue 2 in the United States was officially released on OG Xbox in 2002. Shenmue 1 is a quintessential part of any Dreamcast collection. Shenmue 1 got a lot more exposure due to circumstance.

Shenmue 2 was critically acclaimed at the time I believe. I played Shenmue 2 first, and it was difficult playing Shenmue 1 the first time due to that.

Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 24, 2018, 03:34:24 PM
Importing the Shenmue 2 Euro version on Dreamcast  :snob

A CD-R with Utopia written on it in black marker :snob
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 24, 2018, 03:40:13 PM
I also imported.

But even now no one talks about II. Read the reviews. It's all Shenmue I.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: bork on August 24, 2018, 05:37:19 PM
https://twitter.com/JimSterling/status/1033016210965901312
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 24, 2018, 06:14:36 PM
I sorta get why people focus on one so much though. You need to get through it to get to 2. 2 might be better overall, but let's be honest, if driving a forklift didn't do it for you in 1, you're not going to love "airing out books" in 2.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Tasty on August 24, 2018, 07:16:08 PM
https://twitter.com/JimSterling/status/1033016210965901312

Damn this email made Sterling cry so hard he can't even type. Burn.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Svejk on August 24, 2018, 10:58:47 PM
Imported the euro version too.  Played it on my Big ass monitor at the time with this thing..
https://www.ebay.com/i/232744042539?chn=ps&ul_ref=https%253A%252F%252Frover.ebay.com%252Frover%252F1%252F711-117182-37290-0%252F2%253Fmpre%253Dhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.ebay.com%25252Fi%25252F232744042539%25253Fchn%25253Dps%2526itemid%253D232744042539%2526targetid%253D485683431545%2526device%253Dm%2526adtype%253Dpla%2526googleloc%253D9011566%2526poi%253D%2526campaignid%253D1498385202%2526adgroupid%253D60666402187%2526rlsatarget%253Dpla-485683431545%2526abcId%253D1139446%2526merchantid%253D101640789%2526gclid%253DCj0KCQjw2f7bBRDVARIsAAwYBBv7pdh_LyurISgFEFdv54PKqdpYYrczUPgTa28KVUkwew-37bdhJmUaAhBsEALw_wcB%2526srcrot%253D711-117182-37290-0%2526rvr_id%253D1643733627665%2526rvr_ts%253D6efe573b1650aa48b4d17df4ffdf7000 (https://www.ebay.com/i/232744042539?chn=ps&ul_ref=https%253A%252F%252Frover.ebay.com%252Frover%252F1%252F711-117182-37290-0%252F2%253Fmpre%253Dhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.ebay.com%25252Fi%25252F232744042539%25253Fchn%25253Dps%2526itemid%253D232744042539%2526targetid%253D485683431545%2526device%253Dm%2526adtype%253Dpla%2526googleloc%253D9011566%2526poi%253D%2526campaignid%253D1498385202%2526adgroupid%253D60666402187%2526rlsatarget%253Dpla-485683431545%2526abcId%253D1139446%2526merchantid%253D101640789%2526gclid%253DCj0KCQjw2f7bBRDVARIsAAwYBBv7pdh_LyurISgFEFdv54PKqdpYYrczUPgTa28KVUkwew-37bdhJmUaAhBsEALw_wcB%2526srcrot%253D711-117182-37290-0%2526rvr_id%253D1643733627665%2526rvr_ts%253D6efe573b1650aa48b4d17df4ffdf7000)

Wait,  how much is this thing going for now?!?!?!!!  :anhuld
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 24, 2018, 11:09:03 PM
Imported the euro version too.  Played it on my Big ass monitor at the time with this thing..
https://www.ebay.com/i/232744042539?chn=ps&ul_ref=https%253A%252F%252Frover.ebay.com%252Frover%252F1%252F711-117182-37290-0%252F2%253Fmpre%253Dhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.ebay.com%25252Fi%25252F232744042539%25253Fchn%25253Dps%2526itemid%253D232744042539%2526targetid%253D485683431545%2526device%253Dm%2526adtype%253Dpla%2526googleloc%253D9011566%2526poi%253D%2526campaignid%253D1498385202%2526adgroupid%253D60666402187%2526rlsatarget%253Dpla-485683431545%2526abcId%253D1139446%2526merchantid%253D101640789%2526gclid%253DCj0KCQjw2f7bBRDVARIsAAwYBBv7pdh_LyurISgFEFdv54PKqdpYYrczUPgTa28KVUkwew-37bdhJmUaAhBsEALw_wcB%2526srcrot%253D711-117182-37290-0%2526rvr_id%253D1643733627665%2526rvr_ts%253D6efe573b1650aa48b4d17df4ffdf7000 (https://www.ebay.com/i/232744042539?chn=ps&ul_ref=https%253A%252F%252Frover.ebay.com%252Frover%252F1%252F711-117182-37290-0%252F2%253Fmpre%253Dhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.ebay.com%25252Fi%25252F232744042539%25253Fchn%25253Dps%2526itemid%253D232744042539%2526targetid%253D485683431545%2526device%253Dm%2526adtype%253Dpla%2526googleloc%253D9011566%2526poi%253D%2526campaignid%253D1498385202%2526adgroupid%253D60666402187%2526rlsatarget%253Dpla-485683431545%2526abcId%253D1139446%2526merchantid%253D101640789%2526gclid%253DCj0KCQjw2f7bBRDVARIsAAwYBBv7pdh_LyurISgFEFdv54PKqdpYYrczUPgTa28KVUkwew-37bdhJmUaAhBsEALw_wcB%2526srcrot%253D711-117182-37290-0%2526rvr_id%253D1643733627665%2526rvr_ts%253D6efe573b1650aa48b4d17df4ffdf7000)

Wait,  how much is this thing going for now?!?!?!!!  :anhuld

https://www.amazon.com/eJiasu-SEGA-Cable-Dreamcast-Adapter/dp/B01N67GOSS/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1535166516&sr=8-2&keywords=dreamcast+vga

never go to ebay. ebay sucks.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: bork on August 25, 2018, 09:17:24 AM
The official Sega brand VGA boxes sell for more, but not that high.  Looks like the last one sold for like $159.  But knock-offs can be had on the cheap. 

Another head-scratcher are Nintendo Game Cube component cables.   :lol  I still have mine plus the box they came in...wonder if I could get $300 for them?
:phil
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Positive Touch on August 25, 2018, 06:52:19 PM
so right before Ryo gets a job is when i should wrap up everything i want to do, right? iirc the game is basically a straight shot to the end after that.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 25, 2018, 07:56:43 PM
so right before Ryo gets a job is when i should wrap up everything i want to do, right? iirc the game is basically a straight shot to the end after that.

Yes. Wrap it up before Asia travel co.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 25, 2018, 10:21:33 PM
positive did you catch these scenes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6sqmuTd-6c

You talk to them when you get the phoenix mirror.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Positive Touch on August 25, 2018, 10:58:47 PM
yup got all three. first time seeing the one in the park. also didn't know that you can get info on the legends behind the password from some of the older Chinese townspeople. there's just so many nice little optional conversations (tho i do wish someone had compiled a guide or something so i can look over them all later).
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Positive Touch on August 25, 2018, 11:00:38 PM
I'm gonna procrastinate in-game for awhile bc i want to see Christmas and the new year. got over a week till Christmas so there's gonna be a loooot of time to kill.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 25, 2018, 11:05:22 PM
yup got all three. first time seeing the one in the park. also didn't know that you can get info on the legends behind the password from some of the older Chinese townspeople. there's just so many nice little optional conversations (tho i do wish someone had compiled a guide or something so i can look over them all later).

Shenmue 1 is a game that keeps giving. It's easily my most replayed game for that reason even though I think 2 is the better game. There's so many scenes that add to the overall mythos and lore of the series. Or scenes that help give the story extra flavor and depth that can be easily missed. You could argue that these scenes shouldn't be optional but the fact they can be missed gives the game a more delicate flavor. And that's without mentioning side stories like Kurita and Yuriko, or all the NPC's. I fucking love this game.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 25, 2018, 11:07:01 PM
What did you make of the scenes and what do you think it means for the overall lore and mythos behind the mirrors now that you've seen those scenes and played II?
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Positive Touch on August 26, 2018, 12:39:24 AM
way back in the day i imagined it meant the series would go into some supernatural shit, like Ryo fighting an actual dragon :lol seeing it now makes me feel like it's just setting up the ryo v lan di fight is all.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: bork on August 26, 2018, 10:35:09 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t945PwBwMM

OK, now I see why Jim is getting so much hatemail.  :lol  He shat all over the first game.

https://twitter.com/JimSterling/status/1033437684084035584
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 26, 2018, 10:38:05 AM
Check last page
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 29, 2018, 01:44:40 AM
Fucker.

https://youtu.be/RswPNVkoMDI
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 29, 2018, 02:08:56 AM
https://youtu.be/kjyj2REVY-o

https://youtu.be/zN270Pj6Ac4
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: HardcoreRetro on August 29, 2018, 02:15:00 AM
My darts score was like 500. Suck my dick.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on August 29, 2018, 02:21:10 AM
I missed the triple. Fuck you.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: HardcoreRetro on September 19, 2018, 06:49:04 AM
There's a new patch. Hopefully it actually fixed some shit.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: thisismyusername on October 09, 2018, 09:49:42 PM
Man, this is a slow start, Himu.

People weren't kidding about asking random strangers on the street about "have you seen <subject>?" "No, sorry." "Oh, alright then. :fbm " pecking.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Kara on October 09, 2018, 11:19:05 PM
People weren't kidding about asking random strangers on the street about "have you seen <subject>?" "No, sorry." "Oh, alright then. :fbm " pecking.

Gon - Everyday, without neglect, to keep training
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on October 10, 2018, 12:09:08 AM
Man, this is a slow start, Himu.

People weren't kidding about asking random strangers on the street about "have you seen <subject>?" "No, sorry." "Oh, alright then. :fbm " pecking.

It gets better. Talk to Nozomi and Tom starting out. Nozomi is the pretty school girl with the red skirt and atom is the black guy dancing next to a food truck. There’s three hierarchies of NPCs: story, story personal, and non-story. Every npc has a name and backstory. The ones that say,”don’t bother me” or “maybe some other time” aren’t story critical. They have backstories but they’re there for flavor. Then there’s story personal characters like Nozomi or Naoyuki, Ryo’s friend with the motorcycle. These are characters who are personal to Ryo’s character and can give clues on what to do in the story. Find these characters. They don’t even have to be really close to Ryo like say Kurita (guy at the army surplus shop), but they’ll point you in the right direction. Then there’s story characters who might appear once in the story that you won’t encounter again in the plot but you might see hanging out in town. They’ll usually just tell Ryo something story appropriate like fuck off  You’ll get used to who is who eventually.

Essentially the point is DON’T talk to random strangers. Or if you do, don’t expect to get anything out of it. Find the relationships and how they relate to Ryo.

As for the pacing, the beginning is very slow. But trust me, it pays off. It’s a slow burn game.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: thisismyusername on October 10, 2018, 01:46:25 AM
I'm already up to "find Charlie." I didn't save before hand, so lost the chance of getting "Freeloader" (since apparently shift+tab in the Steam-overlay has it auto-back out, WTF?) so I had to redo things to get that chance again. I can definitely see Dunkey (or was it Jim Sterling?)'s complaint about the waiting around for the next-bit of story to happen.

*chain two story events back to back*->"Find the Sailors"->Go to the bar at around 6. "Nope, we're not open, come back later." *Go to the Jazz Bar like five minutes after, then go back.* "Oh hey, suddenly we're open!"

Honestly, I'm not talking to ANYONE at this point if they don't seem like they're going to point me toward a story bit. I think I've ran into one random side-quest, and that's the old lady finding a house quest. I haven't seen anything else beyond a kid wanting me to give them 100yen.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on October 10, 2018, 01:48:03 AM
Go to the arcade, collect toys. It’s like animal crossing.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: thisismyusername on October 10, 2018, 10:49:26 PM
Well, after a bunch of hassle. I'm up to revisiting the Chinese Master. Got like 26 or 50 or so Gacha's and can't spend below 400Yen apparently. :doge
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on October 10, 2018, 11:23:54 PM
Well, after a bunch of hassle. I'm up to revisiting the Chinese Master. Got like 26 or 50 or so Gacha's and can't spend below 400Yen apparently. :doge

Can’t spend helps 400?
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: thisismyusername on October 10, 2018, 11:25:28 PM
Well, after a bunch of hassle. I'm up to revisiting the Chinese Master. Got like 26 or 50 or so Gacha's and can't spend below 400Yen apparently. :doge

Can’t spend helps 400?

No, I have 400¥ in cash on-hand. But when I try to Gacha or whatever, it won't let me. "I shouldn't waste my money."
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on October 10, 2018, 11:36:23 PM
Damn you really spent that money. Did you buy any moves?
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: thisismyusername on October 11, 2018, 12:23:36 AM
Damn you really spent that money. Did you buy any moves?

Yeah all the ones in the antique store. Learned them. The only one I don't "know" off-hand that is a scroll is that Chinese one. The rest of my cash has been going to Gacha (3-4 a day), otherwise.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: paprikastaude on October 13, 2018, 03:16:15 PM
Even with the patch, Shenmue 2 still has auto-bloom and sound errors  :gurl Then the game froze in the animation for losing arm wrestling :beli Fucking Sega.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: thisismyusername on October 13, 2018, 05:56:13 PM
Well, got up to the ticket part. I so know this company is stringing Ryo along and it's so very annoying I have to wait "until tomorrow" 2-3 days in a row for this to happen so I can get to the end game. :beli
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: thisismyusername on October 14, 2018, 07:45:46 PM
Finished the first one. That 70 man battle wasn't so bad. But the last boss was a little annoying because the camera sucks ass. :lol

Over-all? I wouldn't say it's a bad game like everyone around here slags it for, but the fact that you're waiting for about 80% of the story (Theme song of the game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KahOD-93D7U ), especially toward the end is seriously seriously annoying. I've heard that 2 at least allows you to skip the waiting part and get to the next bit of story, so this complaint should at least be mitigated there.

The gacha? Eh... The arcade? Only two games (well 5-6 if you include the non-Sega games I guess and do the QTE practice), otherwise you're training your moves for the horrible combat segments and QTE'ing. So... yeah... it's aged kinda badly. If Shenmue 3 (or 2) doesn't drastically overhaul itself in regards to the Sandbox environment (giving some quests beyond that Missing kitty and old-woman quest)/things to do if they're going to force you to wait and battle/combat, it's going to get some serious flak from the public for being "stuck in the old ways."

I haven't played Yakuza (waiting for Kiwami to hit PC if it ever does), so I can't say wither or not the spiritual "sequel" does things better or not.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on October 14, 2018, 08:08:36 PM
2 is much better than 1.

2 has duck races, Street fighting, more arcade games, dart duels with npcs, more side quests, a better story, and a larger sandbox.

2 is pretty much why Shenmue still has a fandom today. 1 is great but no one asked for a sequel to 1, they asked for a sequel to 2. 2 is one of the best sequels ever.

As for Yakuza, the games are in completely different genres and isn’t even a spiritual sequel. The only reason they get compared is because they star Asian dudes in Asian cities and that they’re both made by Sega. At that point you might as well compare Star Wars to Indiana Jones just because they made by Lucasfilm. Shenmue is about slow build up in a classic Kung fu film sort of way. In many classic Hong Kong kung fu films they might have only one fight. The 36th chamber of shaolin has maybe two fights total. The bulk of the story is about the main characters growth as a martial artist and individual. Shenmue is like that. Yakuza is more like a John Woo or Jackie Chan movie where it’s less about that growth but cool ass set pieces with big fights. The problem is that Shenmue betrays peoples expectations for a video game and what a video game should be. So they don’t care about the character exploration and lore which to be fair Shenmue takes an entire game to get to. They want more of the Jackie chan ass kicking since it’s a revenge story and that’s what they want out of a video game. The only reason they’re compared and people say it’s a better Shenmue is 1. The reasons above, 2. They want to troll Shenmue fans which is pretty easy, and 3. Their own haphazard expectations of what they think Shenmue should be rather than accept what it is - a kung fu adventure game.

There’s also 4. They’re distinguished mentally-challenged fellows
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: thisismyusername on October 15, 2018, 10:06:01 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7O7x0Urgvz4
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on October 15, 2018, 10:27:20 AM
Holy shit
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: thisismyusername on October 16, 2018, 07:05:51 PM
Well, started the second one on Sunday, I think. I'm up to airing the books out, which apparently is the start of the second disc. Seems to be going MUCH faster than the first one. Probably because they don't ask me to wait until tomorrow. Plus, people will walk you (very slowly, though  :doge ) to your destinations if you ask.

I'm enjoying this one a bit more than the first one, though it still has the "lack of things" to do (only two part-time jobs, 4 arcade games beyond the QTE's and Gacha) that the first had.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on October 16, 2018, 07:10:13 PM
Have you played darts duels?

Have done Fangmei’s birthday?

Idk I find it fun as shit. Unlock duck racing.

http://shenmue.neoseeker.com/wiki/Duck_Racing
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: paprikastaude on October 17, 2018, 06:42:53 PM
I liked the forklift in 1, but all activities in 2 are trash  :holeup The amount would be adequate enough to heighten the immersion of city life, but actually playing arm wrestling is straight out of the worst Rareware hell, new box lifting is less exciting than even training in the first game, then there's gambling which is always shit in games.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on October 17, 2018, 06:48:37 PM
Box lifting sucks. Don’t do it.

I like gambling. Lucky Hit is fun as shit. You don’t like playing that?

I like collecting toys and pawning them off which makes lucky hit even more fun. Trying to get specific rare toys in lucky hit stands and completing a set is fun af and addictive to me.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on October 17, 2018, 06:50:01 PM
They even put secret martial art moves in lucky hit.

Fuck yes. The Gawd.

https://youtu.be/ZTTq_kl-RNY
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on October 17, 2018, 07:04:58 PM
I dare you guys to beat this guy.

https://youtu.be/lmSs_IHzeyc

He can be found at Blue Sky bar at the warehouse district in Aberdeen. Go up the stairs near he dock workers office and have a blast. He owns and playing him is fun af.

There’s also gambling dens around the corner. Good money.

There’s also this fight which is hidden.

This fight is the hardest in the series and it’s great.

https://youtu.be/GV4hJGKC_C0

Then there’s this.

https://youtu.be/Yilp7-WQHn8

Shenmue II has lots to do. It just won’t coddle you. Find it yourself.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: thisismyusername on October 17, 2018, 10:45:09 PM
I liked the forklift in 1, but all activities in 2 are trash  :holeup The amount would be adequate enough to heighten the immersion of city life, but actually playing arm wrestling is straight out of the worst Rareware hell, new box lifting is less exciting than even training in the first game, then there's gambling which is always shit in games.

I dunno, I had no problem with the box lifting (outside of LEFT LEFT LEFT [accidentally hit LEFT one more time]). Neither the books (though I never completed it fully).

Gambling was a mixed bag. I didn't mind Lucky Hit (though you can't fully look down the board to try to "plan" your run), but that one dice game that is high/low was a bit "uh" since Sega never translated the board. Once you knew what the high-low was, it was ok but tedious.

I just did box lifting to get the 500 and whatever I needed for the scrolls. Now I'll probably have to do the high/low to get like 1,000 to get the last five scrolls to get the "Master" achievement.

I'm up to Kowloon now. Joy seemed very throw-away. Like, what was the purpose beyond TITS AND MOTORCYCLE! :doge
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on October 18, 2018, 12:14:02 AM
Joy sucks.

And you can look down the board with dpad before letting the ball drop.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: paprikastaude on October 18, 2018, 09:54:13 AM
I dunno, I had no problem with the box lifting (outside of LEFT LEFT LEFT [accidentally hit LEFT one more time]).

The problem is that it's boredom destilled. I liked the QTE stuff in the first, but this and armwrestling is the worst of QTE. Lucky Hit I've had enough of after a single session of doing it parttime.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on October 18, 2018, 10:54:43 AM
Never play lucky hit part time. Just play the stand. Give lucky hit another try. Try the ones in South Carmian qtr where Jianmin is.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: thisismyusername on October 20, 2018, 01:04:43 AM
Well, I'm up to the caged Kung Fu master to save Joy. The numerous QTE's is starting to wear on me. Double-so with them being in the middle of a fight. So dumb. I can follow the QTE (Left, Left, X) and somehow still fail, which is WTF. I guess because the QTE is coded for 30FPS?

Beat him round one. Get up to the second, and fail again. So at this point I'm calling it a night. But if the rest of this assault is these stupid-ass "command" QTE's, Sega can fuck off.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on October 20, 2018, 01:36:52 AM
Shenmue II HD is based on the Xbox version which has its share of input lag when it comes to qte. Doing things like planks is much harder on on IIx than IIdc.
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: thisismyusername on October 20, 2018, 01:33:53 PM
Finished.

I feel like the last bit could've been excised and the cliff-hanger at Kowloon would've been better than the cliffhanger in the cave. :lol

The last bit is so slow though. Like... why can't Ryo and Shenhua reach the village a lot faster than they do? Just pointless padding, IMO.

I didn't unlock any of the events you were talking about, so... but it's whatever to me. Story-wise, I'm kinda torn about since the presentation was clearly spent here compared to the first, but at the same time with this cliffhanger it's like "well, will he actually finish this 'saga' with the third one or will he cliffhanger it a third damn time and never finish it a la Half-Life 3?"

I'd probably be pissed if I didn't know Shenmue 3 was happening, though. Lan Di is only featured for like 10 minutes, and the girl in the boxart is only featured for like 1-3 hours max. :lol
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: Himu on October 20, 2018, 02:40:21 PM
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I feel like the last bit could've been excised and the cliff-hanger at Kowloon would've been better than the cliffhanger in the cave. :lol

Shenmue would be dead if not for the Guilin section. The Kowloon area isn’t finite but it’s more open ended. Ryo wins after struggle, and heads off into the sunset. Guilin area has Ryo open up more than he ever has, has incredible Shenmue lore (literally) and ends on an amazing cliff hanger. It also gives a preview of III. The Guilin section had so much mystery and questions that it kept the Shenmue fanbase afloat for nearly ten years.

Personally, I think disc four (Guilin) is one of the most ballsy ways to end a video game I’ve ever seen. They could have ended it in Kowloon and it’d end like any video game where the hero wins and rides into the sunset. Instead, you get a three hour epilogue that rewards players for two games of build up and slow burn. The Guilin section is my favorite section of a game. It's so beautiful in its contrast to the rest of the series with its sights and sounds. The fateful meeting, the ambient music, the conversations, the easy-going tone of it, the mystery of the stone cave. It melded with the rest of the game so well thematically. Urban vs rural; the physical vs mystical; patience vs impatience. It works even better as a point of contrast after coming from the urban jungle of Kowloon and by the end of it, Dobuita and Hazuki Dojo feel a world away. I just love it so much and Shenmue II would be a lesser game without it I think. Without it, it’s just a great game to me. With it, it’s my favorite game of all time. An actual video game epic :rejoice

I love how it hints or makes you question if Ryo is becoming more in tune with nature and embracing the spiritual side of martial arts rather than embrace martial arts for revenge. You can maybe get a sense of greater inner peace growing inside of him as he does tai chi that he learned watching from Jianmin.

The music :lawd

https://youtu.be/1xpJhn0hg1M
https://youtu.be/-hRZ9R3W1C4
https://youtu.be/BD8t1bkitGE
Title: Re: Shenmue I and II HD thread
Post by: thisismyusername on October 20, 2018, 04:49:28 PM
I disagree. Because like you said: If it ended in Kowloon, the cliffhanger/wait for 3 wouldn't have mattered. They could hint about the journey, but it never being completed would've been alright. Ryo stopped Lan Di from getting the mysterious martial arts master. Case closed, fanfiction for the last 16 entries of Suzuki's "saga" from fans here.

Now if they included the village at the opening for 3, I feel that would've been better than going "ok, we did an assault. When is the game over now?" Because at that point 1) I couldn't really care about the girl and 2) I still wanted to get my fight with Lan Di on.