THE BORE
General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: Himu on July 11, 2019, 06:26:25 PM
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Been using iPhone for damn near 7 years and been a perfectly happy, loyal customer.
I love the product but I think I’m done.
I no longer can control my phone. WiFi automatically connects all the time. It used to be, all you had to do to disable WiFi and Bluetooth was swipe up and click the WiFi or bt button. Quick, easy. But after ios11 the iPhone has gotten creepy. It automatically knows when I’m in my car automatically starts Bluetooth. Simply clicking the WiFi button does not disable WiFi anymore. Otherwise you’re going to connect to random networks you don’t want to automatically. Like you’ll be driving and suddenly you’re connected to a WiFi network when you told the thing turn off. The only way to disable it is to go deep into phone settings and disable WiFi entirely, which are far more steps than previously just clicking an icon.
Essentially I have lost control of my own phone.
I’ve looked at android phones but that would mean signing up with google, who I do not trust with my data. Apple, for all of their problems, has sided with their customers’ privacy over companies like Facebook.
Also android STILL has a firmware issue where you can be out of date and an update isn’t available for your phone/carrier. Iirc they foolishly tied using apps with having certain firmwares. So unless you had Chocolate Fudge Cake you couldn’t download an app. I hated that about Android.
Are there phone alternatives to android? I know windows phone doesn’t exist anymore so fuck.
It really sucks because I loved iPhone and then Apple decided to take control away from their users.
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Android phone + Lineage OS.
= control + updates.
You can use an Android phone without Google account, btw.
Just use f-droid and apkpure (or any other trustworthy source) to download apps.
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Also android STILL has a firmware issue where you can be out of date and an update isn’t available for your phone/carrier.
In general, unlocked phones are the way to go to significantly speed updates up. (Going with the OS's actual developer for updates is the other half of the equation...)
Iirc they foolishly tied using apps with having certain firmwares.
This has always been more the case of iOS, and that's not uncontroversial to say...
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Android phone + Lineage OS.
= control + updates.
You can use an Android phone without Google account, btw.
Does Lineage have OTAs or do you have to flash each new update?
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Also android STILL has a firmware issue where you can be out of date and an update isn’t available for your phone/carrier.
Google Pixel.
Though in general, unlocked phones are the way to go to significantly speed updates up. Going with the OS's actual developer for updates is the other half of the equation.
Iirc they foolishly tied using apps with having certain firmwares.
This has always been more the case of iOS, and that's not uncontroversial to say...
Lmao
No.
iOS has the opposite problem.
One time I didn’t upgrade my firmware for years for fear of not being able to use a game app when I upgraded. Years. I could download anything and everything while using literally years old firmware. It wasn’t until around 10 when I needed to upgrade. I haven’t updated my phone in months.
Apples problem is that their updates make some apps unusable and they have to be upgraded or they’ll be lost to time. But you can still download apps even if you’re out of date. Contrast with when I had an android phone. I couldn’t DL a lot because “you need to upgrade your firmware” when no update was available.
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Android phone + Lineage OS.
= control + updates.
You can use an Android phone without Google account, btw.
Does Lineage have OTAs or do you have to flash each new update?
Yes, it does. You can also install updates manually.
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Android phone + Lineage OS.
= control + updates.
You can use an Android phone without Google account, btw.
Just use f-droid and apkpure (or any other trustworthy source) to download apps.
Tell me more.
Also does android still cut off WiFi entirely if you press the damn shortcut button?
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"Shortcut button?"
Oh honey. The time's have changed.
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I don’t know what it’s called on android. On iphone it’s called the control center.
This.
(https://support.apple.com/library/content/dam/edam/applecare/images/en_US/iOS/ios12-2-ipad-pro-iphone-xs-control-center-hero.jpg)
How do you turn off WiFi on an android then?
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Android phone + Lineage OS.
= control + updates.
You can use an Android phone without Google account, btw.
Just use f-droid and apkpure (or any other trustworthy source) to download apps.
Tell me more.
Also does android still cut off WiFi entirely if you press the damn shortcut button?
Of course it does.
LineageOS: https://www.lineageos.org/
There are several websites that allow you to download apks (android apps) without requiring a google account. https://apkpure.com/ is convenient, because they have an app which you can use to update your apps without having to manually download anything.
F-droid is a repository for open source apps (which are ad free).
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Why not just say "Hey Siri turn off Wifi" or make a turning off Wifi shortcut?
https://www.quora.com/Is-there-a-shortcut-on-iOS-11-to-completely-turn-off-WiFi-When-I-turn-off-WiFi-in-the-control-panel-the-turn-my-phone-off-and-then-back-on-the-WiFi-is-also-back-on
You can also use 3D touch to go right to Wifi by holding on the settings app button if your phone has that.
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I fully support open source initiatives. :american
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I don’t know what it’s called on android. On iphone it’s called the control center.
This.
(https://support.apple.com/library/content/dam/edam/applecare/images/en_US/iOS/ios12-2-ipad-pro-iphone-xs-control-center-hero.jpg)
How do you turn off WiFi on an android then?
No sorry, I misinterpreted your post.
The notification shade has quick toggles, which are customizable.
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Why not just say "Hey Siri turn off Wifi" or make a turning off Wifi shortcut?
https://www.quora.com/Is-there-a-shortcut-on-iOS-11-to-completely-turn-off-WiFi-When-I-turn-off-WiFi-in-the-control-panel-the-turn-my-phone-off-and-then-back-on-the-WiFi-is-also-back-on
You can also use 3D touch to go right to Wifi by holding on the settings app button if your phone has that.
What are shortcuts?
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By the way, I posted this a while ago, and as you can see by the many replies people really cared about it:
http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=46396
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It's an apple app you can use to combine multiple tasks into one. So you could make a shortcut for "turn off wifi and bt" and then you can just go into the shortcuts app and press that and it disabled both. I believe you can also set a Siri voice command (that you record yourself so it can be any phrase) for shortcuts as well
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208309
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It's an apple app you can use to combine multiple tasks into one. So you could make a shortcut for "turn off wifi and bt" and then you can just go into the shortcuts app and press that and it disabled both. I believe you can also set a Siri voice command for shortcuts as well
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208309
Why the fuck won’t they just let me turn WiFi and bt off permanently like in the past by just pressing a button?
I guess I can use Siri in the time being.
I don’t have that app. Guess it’s time to upgrade.
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yeah i don't understand the change to the wifi/bt buttons on control center either, weird choice.
and ya shortcuts is iOS 12+ only, you'll have to install from the appstore cause i don't think it's a pre-installed app
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Oh right. I upgraded the other week. I’ll look for the shortcuts app on App Store.
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Another issue is Apple Music. I love Apple Music and it’s my music streaming service of choice.
But I also drive a lot while listening to music and the fucking thing always automatically connects to Apple Music anytime and plays music without me asking it to any time I get in my damn car.
It’s gotten to the point where I’d sometimes fight Apple Music with other music apps. There’s an app I use that lets you listen to music on YouTube with the phone locked because I’m not paying google ten dollars a month for that feature. And sometimes I’ll be listening to my jams, and then Apple Music wants to auto play. But I cannot turn Apple Music off. It’s just there in the background and you can’t turn it off. So they keep fighting when I’m just trying to listen to my tunes.
It was at that moment I considered switching to android. I have completely lost control of my own damn phone.
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In iOS 11 and later, when you toggle the Wi-Fi or Bluetooth buttons in Control Center, your device immediately disconnects from Wi-Fi and Bluetooth accessories. Both Wi-Fi and Bluetooth will continue to be available, so you can use these important features:
AirDrop
AirPlay
Apple Pencil
Apple Watch
Continuity features, like Handoff and Instant Hotspot
Instant Hotspot
Location Services
::) ::) ::)
But ya the "hey siri" method is the quickest way to turn it off for real.
my car also does auto play of whatever i was last doing on my phone as well but it's a "feature" of the car that i could disable. you might check on yours to see if thats the same thing.
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Siri def seems the best method. I barely use Siri though so I guess I’ll have to learn.
Fucking Apple.
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In iOS 11 and later, when you toggle the Wi-Fi or Bluetooth buttons in Control Center, your device immediately disconnects from Wi-Fi and Bluetooth accessories. Both Wi-Fi and Bluetooth will continue to be available, so you can use these important features:
AirDrop
AirPlay
Apple Pencil
Apple Watch
Continuity features, like Handoff and Instant Hotspot
Instant Hotspot
Location Services
::) ::) ::)
But ya the "hey siri" method is the quickest way to turn it off for real.
my car also does auto play of whatever i was last doing on my phone as well but it's a "feature" of the car that i could disable. you might check on yours to see if thats the same thing.
No man it’s the phone. Here I’ll show you. I’ll get in my car.
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i believe you :lol
do you use carplay (ios interface built into the car media screen) in your car? if not supposedly you can just turn off carplay in settings app and it stops autoplay of music, don't ask me why
Settings->Screen Time->Content & Privacy restrictions->Allowed Apps->Toggle CarPlay to off
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Carplay is notoriously inconsistent between cars, tpp
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(https://i.imgur.com/2YENaxI.jpg)
WiFi “disabled”, running on LTE. Mind the low battery. Nothing running.
(https://i.imgur.com/kEQATi3.jpg)
Go to settings and we see that despite no WiFi on its actually still on. More like “off”.
So I get in my car and fucking Adore starts playing for the 999999th time because it starts with an A.
(https://i.imgur.com/Vhl4dFX.jpg)
Notice it’s a background app. When I click it goes to Apple Music but then after a while Apple Music automatically reboots and I hear,”ooooOOOOOOOOOHHHhhhhhhhhh, BABYyyy!!” I did not tell it I want to play this song. Shit, I didn’t even have Bluetooth ON and it just started automatically.
It’s driving me nuts.
I no longer control my own phone. iPhone used to be about simplicity. What the fuck happened? Being contained to apples proprietary shit is fine when it’s simple but when it’s doing shit you don’t want it to do you lack anything in the way of options. I loathe it.
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This is not CarPlay. This is regular ass Bluetooth menu.
Edit: Nacho I don’t even have screen time enabled. :lol
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that's what i'm saying. activate screentime and turn off carplay and see if that stops the autoplay, even if you're using regular bluetooth.
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The fact you have to enable something to get to that is distinguished mentally-challenged fellowed. What the fuck Apple.
I turned it off. Let's see if I hear Adore ONE MORE TIME.
SAY "OHHH BABY" ONE MORE TIME!!!! :stop
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i believe you :lol
do you use carplay (ios interface built into the car media screen) in your car? if not supposedly you can just turn off carplay in settings app and it stops autoplay of music, don't ask me why
Settings->Screen Time->Content & Privacy restrictions->Allowed Apps->Toggle CarPlay to off
What, really? I been trying to figure out how to stop that shit for like 4 years. I hate how you pause the music/book/whatefer and it restarts like 4 seconds later.
Also Apple maps is hot fucking garbage. They should ask for google to be their map app again.
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The fact you have to enable something to get to that is distinguished mentally-challenged fellowed. What the fuck Apple.
I turned it off. Let's see if I hear Adore ONE MORE TIME.
SAY "OHHH BABY" ONE MORE TIME!!!! :stop
Mine is a nirvana song, about a girl... Then Adderall Admiral, then Aneurysm by Nirvana. Easily my three most played songs.
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Holy fuck.
It worked. No more Adore every time I get in my car. I can control my phone again in some capacity and it didn’t start playing music until I asked it to.
Still considering to switching to Android tho.
Thanks Nacho!
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Android phone + Lineage OS.
= control + updates.
You can use an Android phone without Google account, btw.
Just use f-droid and apkpure (or any other trustworthy source) to download apps.
Tell me more.
Also does android still cut off WiFi entirely if you press the damn shortcut button?
Of course it does.
LineageOS: https://www.lineageos.org/
There are several websites that allow you to download apks (android apps) without requiring a google account. https://apkpure.com/ is convenient, because they have an app which you can use to update your apps without having to manually download anything.
F-droid is a repository for open source apps (which are ad free).
Just be aware, unless it's been circumvented: SafetyNet will prevent certain apps (like Netflix) from running on Rooted/flashed ROMs. Fire Emblem: Heroes is a notable one.
By the way, I posted this a while ago, and as you can see by the many replies people really cared about it:
http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=46396
:no1curr because it's a huge pain in the ass to use shit non-Google tied/watched over.
Same reason :no1curr about Linux in general: You can't run shit you want to run on it (Linux) without a huge pain in the ass (Proton, WINE, etc.) to get it running... only for an update (Google, in this/phones case) to break it.
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Also Apple maps is hot fucking garbage. They should ask for google to be their map app again.
waze is better than both imo
cindi what app do you use for background youtube?
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Also Apple maps is hot fucking garbage. They should ask for google to be their map app again.
waze is better than both imo
cindi what app do you use for background youtube?
Musi.
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Today was the last straw.
Not only does my music still play when I don't want it to and auto bluetooth, but I ripped a Jimi Hendrix BBC sessions CD and I tried to put it on my phone via itunes. There is no way to do this anymore. I can only dl it from the cloud even if it's straight on my computer. I'm fucking enraged that I can't do such a basic fucking feature anymore.
Name some privacy conscious Android phones. Fuck this.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyHF9IsFKWU
Nailed it. Fucking Apple!
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Get a windows phone
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Those are dead!!
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Never had an iPhone, been rocking Android since 2010.
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Those are dead!!
Get a Microsoft Kin.
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Never had an iPhone, been rocking Android since 2010.
First flip phone to Galaxy Nexus for me.
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Those are dead!!
Get a Microsoft Kin.
Why are you guys suggesting dead phones? This is a joke right? I thought MS stopped phone production.
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If you really want an android phone, what's your budget, and provider? I'm on T Mobile and you can get a decent new phone with good specs for $350-400. The high end phones are just as expensive as an iPhone though.
You can get something on this unlocked for $300. I think [name redacted] has this phone and recommends it.
https://www.amazon.com/UMIDIGI-S3-Unlocked-Smartphone-Android/dp/B07NJK84LQ/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=umidigi&qid=1563418638&s=gateway&sr=8-2
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actually that video kinda sold me on Galaxy S10 Plus
I've always been on Android and I've never been incredibly annoyed or dissatisfied, but then again I'm not a phone power user and I don't sweat the small stuff
I've just never had a reason to enter the mac ecosystem and start paying that premium
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I'm so accustomed to my S7 edge that if it broke today I would just get another one. There's nothing it can't run/play/do that I need it to, dropping extra cash on a marginally better screen/battery/camera is wasteful. You're not future-proofing it at all.
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I no longer can control my phone. WiFi automatically connects all the time. It used to be, all you had to do to disable WiFi and Bluetooth was swipe up and click the WiFi or bt button. Quick, easy. But after ios11 the iPhone has gotten creepy. It automatically knows when I’m in my car automatically starts Bluetooth. Simply clicking the WiFi button does not disable WiFi anymore.
it annoys me
phones are such a hassle
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From a developer perspective it boggles my mind that Android is in any way competitive. It's such a nightmare land to work on and deal with.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1r3wbWPIuBw
S10 it is.
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Save some bucks and get an older phone. And buy second-hand.
Keep yo money
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Save some bucks and get an older phone. And buy second-hand.
Keep yo money
I'll also be joining T-Mobile. A GS10 is a 50 dollar down payment with 31 dollars a month for 24 mos. :yeshrug No one pays whole sale except suckers and rich people. There's no reason to skimp and buy an older phone when payment plans exist at extremely low cost.
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Get a Pixel
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From a developer perspective it boggles my mind that Android is in any way competitive. It's such a nightmare land to work on and deal with.
lazy developers imo
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Save some bucks and get an older phone. And buy second-hand.
Keep yo money
I'll also be joining T-Mobile. A GS10 is a 50 dollar down payment with 31 dollars a month for 24 mos. :yeshrug No one pays whole sale except suckers and rich people. There's no reason to skimp and buy an older phone when payment plans exist at extremely low cost.
Not sure I follow? You're still buying a phone for $800 which is it's retail cost.
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I ripped a Jimi Hendrix BBC sessions CD and I tried to put it on my phone via itunes. There is no way to do this anymore. I can only dl it from the cloud even if it's straight on my computer. I'm fucking enraged that I can't do such a basic fucking feature anymore.
lolwut? i just added a cd to my phone yesterday
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I'm so accustomed to my S7 edge that if it broke today I would just get another one. There's nothing it can't run/play/do that I need it to, dropping extra cash on a marginally better screen/battery/camera is wasteful. You're not future-proofing it at all.
I think the best/most feature rich Samsung Galaxy phone was the S5 from 2014. There is a version with two sim slots AND a dedicated microSD slot (called S5 Duos, last Galaxy S with this feature), it was the penultimate Galaxy S with user-replaceable battery (and they are cheap; you can still get new genuine batteries for ~$10, I just checked). To have the battery of a newer Galaxy S replaced you need to send it in and it'll cost you about $70. The S5 is water proof, has a finger print sensor (and all other sensors newer Galaxy S phones have) and it can record Ultra HD video, has a USB 3 port with USB OTG, meaning you can connect a portable hard drive or card reader. It even features an infrared port so you can use it as a remote control for your TV. What's incredible is that even though it is now five years old (of course Samsung stopped support years ago, last official update was Android 6), the S5 is actually fast enough (2.5GHz quad core CPU) to run the latest Android flawlessly. Look at how smoothly Lineage OS 16 (Android 9) runs (20 seconds in): https://youtube.com/watch?v=O0l4ZYQq9vI
It's a shame they don't make phones like this anymore but quite understandable from a business perspective. Gotta get people to upgrade more frequently.
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Get a Pixel
This. You can get it straight from Google with a bullshit-free monthly payment plan, too. Stock Android OS with no crap on top of it like Samsung phones and all the updates come to Pixel first, plus free unlimited photo/video cloud storage for a couple of years. Our Pixel 2s are just about paid off. Will probably get Pixel 4s as soon as they go up for sale.
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Yes I will say Samsung comes with a lot of Samsung app shit on it which I do find annoying
there is a dedicated physical Bixby button on my S8 and I hate it and don't want to use Samsung's garbage assistant and if I press it by accident it opens this crap and starts talking at me, and apparently the only way to stop it is to create a Samsung account and sign in so you can actually enter the app and change the functionality of the button :maf
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Get either a pixel or a oneplus phone, love my oneplus 7 pro
You will hate the fuck out of a Samsung phone given your issues with Apple
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What's so great about Pixel?
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What's so great about Pixel?
1) it runs stock android, no bloatware and unnecessary shit
2) the camera software is hands down the best
I actually like OnePlus's Oxygen OS android skin better than stock android, it's very close and only adds a few improvements
Pixels were not gross looking through Pixel/XL 2 but have gotten progressively more awful lately, total eyesores
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I have concerns owning a phone made by Google though. What's the security/privacy like on it?
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I have concerns owning a phone made by Google though. What's the security/privacy like on it?
:lol :lol :lol
Oh honey. You're fucked no matter what you buy. Just accept it.
That said you can customize your settings, read this I guess.
https://www.extremetech.com/mobile/283944-how-to-preserve-your-privacy-on-android
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I have concerns owning a phone made by Google though. What's the security/privacy like on it?
:lol :lol :lol
Oh honey. You're fucked no matter what you buy. Just accept it.
This was a major reason I've stuck to Apple for years.
But is it bullshit?
https://hackernoon.com/apples-best-product-is-privacy-not-iphone-9919f5fc6fb7
vs
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2019/01/apples-hypocritical-defense-data-privacy/581680/
Tim refused to let Apple crack open that iphone publicly despite government mandate. So I always felt safe in their ecosystem.
But are they full of shit and is it all a ploy?
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Being against the U.S. government getting allowed to insert backdoors "just for them" into device firmware is the type of thing that, generally, everyone in the tech industry is against (and everyone at the FBI (https://www.fbi.gov/services/operational-technology/going-dark) and the Trump Administration (https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/27/trump-officials-weigh-encryption-crackdown-1385306) is for.)
PS- Please consider donating to the EFF if digital privacy is important to you. (https://www.eff.org/)
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The government still cracked it eventually in that case iirc. If you want to reward companies for not collaborating, sure, but their product isn't a one-time pad.
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The government still cracked it eventually in that case iirc. If you want to reward companies for not collaborating, sure, but their product isn't a one-time pad.
The FBI purchased a zero-day exploit from an Israeli blackhat-as-a-service firm, so they didn't need Apple's consent or collaboration and dropped the suit.
They were also probably getting understandably worried they'd lose the case, which is what I believe the outcome would have been, and that would have precluded them trying the same tactic in the future when they're really up shit creak without a paddle zero-day.
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It should be noted, that the iPhone model in question (iPhone 5c) lacked the considerably-stronger hardware encryption of subsequent models (the iPhone 6S, two generations newer, was the latest model at the time of the case.)
iPhones and iPads, the Pixel line (including the low-end Pixel 3a), and the Galaxy S10 offer secure enclaves for storing private keys, which Comey admitted at the time were strong enough to block the same exploitation method the FBI used on the San Bernadino shooter's iPhone 5c.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnSqlX1kCQo
:larry
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I have concerns owning a phone made by Google though. What's the security/privacy like on it?
You have no privacy when using Google products. That's why I prefer Samsung. Added bonus: Not a US company = the US government can't ask them ro build in any backdoors.
Hardware wise S10 is better than Pixel 3 in every regard.
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How does Galaxy s10 camera compare to Pixel 3's?
edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpNm-vrraIQ
:whew
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S10 by far, but Pixel 3 has Google's magical picture enhancement software.
Edit: As you can see in the video, the S10 has much better dynamic range. Look at the image with the sun behind the clouds at 3:42.
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You have no privacy when using Google products. That's why I prefer Samsung.
A Pixel and a Galaxy S10 send roughly the same amount of information to Google by default, with the S10 having the additional benefit of sending your data to Samsung and their partners as well.
Added bonus: Not a US company = the US government can't ask them ro build in any backdoors.
This is also misguided. If the US government compelled Google to change Android in some way, that would affect every OEM that desires the Play Store on their devices.
We just went through a situation where the Trump administration just decided to shutdown a major Chinese OEM, and it basically happened over like, two weeks. (https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-google-android-ban-988382/)
Samsung *could* activate their rumored, long-in-development contingency of forking Android without the Play Store, but that's an extreme move.
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Samsung has (had?) a procurement deal with *Hans Gruber* the American FBI for phones and it's a matter of record that the CIA hacks other Samsung consumer electronics.
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With the S10e having 4k video I'm going with that.
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They both have 4k. However, S10 can film 4k at 24, 30 and 60fps, while Pixel 3 can only do 30fps.
S10 can do 1080p at 30, 60, 120 and 240fps, while Pixel 3 can only record 30fps. S10 has much better image stabilization when filming at 1080p.
The most important difference is the ultra wide angle 16 megapixel camera of the S10, which is fantastic for landscapes. S10 has 2x optical zoom, Pixel 3 doesn't.
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Added bonus: Not a US company = the US government can't ask them ro build in any backdoors.
No but the Koreans can. :doge
This is why I laugh at folks that are so privacy focused: Unless you're building the hardware yourself, coding the operating system yourself, etc.: You should expect backdoors/etc. built into the product and should act accordingly.
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Don't forget about building your own telecommunications infrastructure.
Well, there is only so much you can realistically do to protect your privacy as a private citizen.
I have no Google account, don't use gmail, google maps or google's youtube app. I hardly ever use Google's search engine, and when I do, I do it anonymously.
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They both have 4k. However, S10 can film 4k at 24, 30 and 60fps, while Pixel 3 can only do 30fps.
S10 can do 1080p at 30, 60, 120 and 240fps, while Pixel 3 can only record 30fps. S10 has much better image stabilization when filming at 1080p.
The most important difference is the ultra wide angle 16 megapixel camera of the S10, which is fantastic for landscapes. S10 has 2x optical zoom, Pixel 3 doesn't.
I'm mostly getting it for the better camera in general.
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You are gonna hate the samsung bloatware on your phone. Have fun with that. :P
Also anyone telling you that S10 has a better camera than the Pixel is full of shit and/or high.
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I watched a video and s10 camera is better except at night and even then it's not a slouch. Can you get rid of the Samsung bloatware?
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Also looking into One Plus.
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You are gonna hate the samsung bloatware on your phone. Have fun with that. :P
Also anyone telling you that S10 has a better camera than the Pixel is full of shit and/or high.
Yup yup yup x 1000
I had a Samsung Note 5 before I got the Pixel- the bloat SUCKED. I had to use an app to go in and stop a number of their services from running, which helped with battery drain issues caused by their shit. It certainly was a pretty phone and had 'flash' if that's your thing. I had to turn off all this stuff to have an optimal experience and just didn't care in the end.
I watched a video and s10 camera is better except at night and even then it's not a slouch. Can you get rid of the Samsung bloatware?
There are ways to put stock Android OS on Samsung phones, but I don't know what that might do for updates and for any software they have which drives certain functions of the phones and/or if it would void your warranty. Not something I'd mess with. I wanted the most plain, bloat-free experience possible...and Pixel ticks all those boxes. And again...it gets all the updates first regardless of who your carrier is.
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About the "bloatware":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbJJTYawuUE
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About the "bloatware":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbJJTYawuUE
I don't trust anything this guy says because he's a dumbass that made a tech video in the middle of a loud venue.
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https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-39523
https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-39909
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TjMUe2gqrk
Google Pixel it is.
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I had a Samsung Galaxy S4 and that phone was a slow piece of shit. I will admit that Touchwiz (Samsung's android skin) seems way better today. Bloatware doesn't seem to be an issue on most new phones because even the cheaper phones seem to be able throw ram at the problem.
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About the "bloatware":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbJJTYawuUE
I don't trust anything this guy says because he's a dumbass that made a tech video in the middle of a loud venue.
Yes, it's annoying but the video is actually pretty good, you should watch it if you want to learn about the so-called bloatware.
Personally, I consider many of Google's apps bloatware and disable them. On the other hand, some of Samsung's added features are pretty neat.
About the camera, watch this:
https://youtu.be/xjuNMQ6EBl0
S10's camera hardware is objectively better.
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I do prefer s10's camera. Its zoom and ultra wide lens are incredibly impressive.
It's really down to two those two phones. I'll visit T-Mobile and see how I like them but I'm leaning Google Pixel.
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Save your cash and get a mid-range phone with Android One. Screw the flagships, waste of money.
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Don't forget about building your own telecommunications infrastructure.
At least everyone knows by now that telecoms are insecure. Big difference there.
Well, there is only so much you can realistically do to protect your privacy as a private citizen.
Sure, I agree. But going with "at least these Asians that aren't the Chinese get my data over the US and Russia!" seems... :doge
I have no Google account, don't use gmail, google maps or google's youtube app. I hardly ever use Google's search engine, and when I do, I do it anonymously.
Good for you. Nobody else does that because it's a gigantic pain in the ass.
I also hope you don't use AWS (oh wait, that's about 80% of the web now) for the sake of your privacy as well.
Like, I'm all for InfoSec OPs and all that, but Jesus.
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Knowing you're already on several FBI watch lists and being free to use the internet without worrying too much about your privacy. :aah
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Don't forget about building your own telecommunications infrastructure.
At least everyone knows by now that telecoms are insecure. Big difference there.
Well, there is only so much you can realistically do to protect your privacy as a private citizen.
Sure, I agree. But going with "at least these Asians that aren't the Chinese get my data over the US and Russia!" seems... :doge
I have no Google account, don't use gmail, google maps or google's youtube app. I hardly ever use Google's search engine, and when I do, I do it anonymously.
Good for you. Nobody else does that because it's a gigantic pain in the ass.
I also hope you don't use AWS (oh wait, that's about 80% of the web now) for the sake of your privacy as well.
Like, I'm all for InfoSec OPs and all that, but Jesus.
I mean not really? Realistically the only government you need to worry about having your data is your own. In descending order i'd prefer the koreans, the russkies, the chinese, the muricans and the rest of the EU to have my data over the swedish government.
And for the record, I only care about this shit in theory - in reality i can't be arsed to care anyway near enough to have it influence my purchasing decisions.
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Save your cash and get a mid-range phone with Android One. Screw the flagships, waste of money.
Xiaomi stuff is excellent too.
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If you want the best value for money, get a flagship phone from 1-2 years ago.
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If you want the best value for money, get a flagship phone from 1-2 years ago.
Why? Battery will be dead 1-2 years sooner.
The weak point in most phones these days is the battery. It's more likely to die before the hardware of even a mid-range phone is outdated.
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Knowing you're already on several FBI watch lists and being free to use the internet without worrying too much about your privacy. :aah
Using iPhones for privacy while the government gets your entire personnel record hacked and sends you routine memos every few months announcing another PII leak :aah
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Guys I decided to go with Pixel 3a. It has zero money down at T-Mobile sans tax.
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If you want the best value for money, get a flagship phone from 1-2 years ago.
Why? Battery will be dead 1-2 years sooner.
The weak point in most phones these days is the battery. It's more likely to die before the hardware of even a mid-range phone is outdated.
I didn't mean a used phone.
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Are you privacy weirdos all pedos or something?
:beli
what the fuck
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fuck the "iF yOu'Re NoT dOiNg AnYtHiNg WrOnG tHeN yOu HaVe NoThInG tO hIdE" mentality
if you don't suspect me of doing anything wrong and/or don't want to exploit me for any reason then you have no reason to collect any of my information
there are plenty of reasons you might be wrongfully targeted by police and data from your phone or anything else could be used as circumstantial evidence against you
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I just can't imagine being that freaked out about privacy unless you were doing something shady on the web.
Nobody really cares about you other than to target ads to you lol, get over yourselves.
fuck off
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I just can't imagine being that freaked out about privacy unless you were doing something shady on the web.
Nobody really cares about you other than to target ads to you lol, get over yourselves.
Advertising does bug me. I hate that a lot of current tech companies basically have to measure their value by how much influence they have on visitors/users through targeted advertising.
It's not just that it feels like exploiting the public, but that it forces companies to chase stupid activity metrics rather than increase their value to the customer.
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I just can't imagine being that freaked out about privacy unless you were doing something shady on the web.
Nobody really cares about you other than to target ads to you lol, get over yourselves.
So you agree with Eric Schmidt? :awesome
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I am very grateful to billions of willing (or unwitting) advertising targets who pay for the web with their privacy, allowing me to retain my own privacy while enjoying an unending stream of information and services for free. You are the real heroes!
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Added bonus: Not a US company = the US government can't ask them ro build in any backdoors.
No but the Koreans can. :doge
This is why I laugh at folks that are so privacy focused: Unless you're building the hardware yourself, coding the operating system yourself, etc.: You should expect backdoors/etc. built into the product and should act accordingly.
Or just assume your life is too mundane for anyone to care about.
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I just can't imagine being that freaked out about privacy unless you were doing something shady on the web.
Nobody really cares about you other than to target ads to you lol, get over yourselves.
Advertising does bug me. I hate that a lot of current tech companies basically have to measure their value by how much influence they have on visitors/users through targeted advertising.
It's not just that it feels like exploiting the public, but that it forces companies to chase stupid activity metrics rather than increase their value to the customer.
The web as we know it exists because of effective advertising targeting.
The alternative is charging money directly.
There wouldn't be advertising if you weren't likely to buy the stuff targeted at you. You do effectively pay for the free web sites and services you use, but in an indirect way.
From an economic standpoint, it's like comparing the efficiency of a horse to a car where there's a lot of waste going towards having to buy products in the ads in order to support the free sites. It's true that almost everything is currently based on the advertising model but I think it just holds back competition and progress.
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I am very grateful to billions of willing (or unwitting) advertising targets who pay for the web with their privacy, allowing me to retain my own privacy while enjoying an unending stream of information and services for free. You are the real heroes!
Name some of these "free" services you're accessing without giving up any of your privacy or being subjected to ads?
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What is privacy even. It's being happy to believe no one has intel on you, until the day you see they do. It's important to not allow companies get away with stealing data for nefarious deeds, but it's something else to side with a $999 monitor stand company that breaches the normal operative of a person being able to fix their electronics wherever they want. I believe that apple has helped mobile development tremendously, and I don't hate a loyal customer because they've probably had great experiences with them, but apple really isn't a consumer rights-friendly company.
Imagine being worried about privacy on your phone when you willingly post on The Bore with benji :lol
Benji everytime a new user pops:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDOwK8wn__U
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It's true that almost everything is currently based on the advertising model but I think it just holds back competition and progress.
This is just an incredibly vague platitude though. Without advertising they’d innovate ways to generate cash? From where? From who?
Competition and progress, that’s who!
Okay first off, I did not say the "I" word. I don't know what I did to receive that accusation, but I'm sorry.
My argument against advertising is just that the math doesn't make sense for consumers. If Google or Facebook or whoever make a $1 per click, then that's because you ended up clicking the ad and buying something that was much more than a $1. So that just seems wasteful from an economic perspective.
As far as alternatives, there are subscription models such as Spotify, where users in the paid tier don't have any ads or limitations. Another thing Spotify used to do is they had a peer-to-peer infrastructure which lowered their hosting burden. One option is to make that an opt-in type of thing to reduce your subscription cost but bandwidth wasn't the main cost Spotify had anyways.
One example I can think of is for Yelp. Currently, businesses pay to get higher on the page in the sponsored results section. An alternative is to pay for analysis and feedback on the important factors affecting their reviews (EG: a spedific waiter sucks or they did bait & switch on the price) so the business can figure out how to reduce their negatives. Yelp is the one that tracks how you flip through search results, which reviews you stop and spend more time reading, and ultimately which business you end up choosing based on pressing the button to get directions to the business. Obviously, that's more complicated than throwing an ad on the screen but at least it doesn't leave you vulnerable to a user figuring out how ublock is spelled.
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Played with a pixel 3 at Best Buy. I really like this phone and its clean interface. Completely sold. 16 bucks a month, no down payment at Best Buy too. Will make the switch soon! :jeb
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yeah, i have mild buyers remorse getting an S10e over a pixel 3. i previously had a nokia on android one, it was good but i smashed the screen and wanted something new. not a big fan of increasingly large form factors and really liked the S10e hardware, so i picked that up. it's good, samsungs hardware is great, feels like an iPhone XR without a giant notch at the top... but Bixby is a joke, and there are a lot of minor annoyances that bring it a step back from the stock Android experience. im enjoying it and i'll use it because i like the specs, form factor and overall hardware, but samsungs custom roll bloatware is shite still.
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I just can't imagine being that freaked out about privacy unless you were doing something shady on the web.
2010 era facebook internet user galaxy brain take
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I just can't imagine being that freaked out about privacy unless you were doing something shady on the web.
Nobody really cares about you other than to target ads to you lol, get over yourselves.
That is an immense form of control that can be used and exploited to shape and direct people's interests, habits and behaviours. Advertising may be an unavoidable evil, but the idea that the advertising being shown to you is based on an advertising profile that is based on you, specifically, as an individual should scare and anger any reasonable human being.
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Ads are only the tip of the iceberg, really. To go with a more classic worry : all this data existing, being stored and mined means any public agency could more easily pull this info for any purpose they would see fit if for one reason or another. They already do. It's only kept to acceptable levels (?) of nefariousness currently because of legal safeguards but it's a switch that can be flipped at a moment's notice. The only saving graces so far are the storage being still party unreliable long term and the processing tools playing catch-up still.
I don't think we're turning back the clock on this but it really cannot hurt to be mindful of the issue at the very least.
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just wait till your social credit score includes how many times you visited motherless last week