THE BORE

General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: I'm a Puppy! on September 09, 2019, 05:44:15 PM

Title: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 09, 2019, 05:44:15 PM
OK, trying to finish all the mainline Zeldas between July and next July. Here's where I am

BotW - Finished
LoZ 1 (Switch) Finished
LoZ 2 (Switch) Finished
LttP  (Switch - Underway
Link's Awakening (Switch) - Next
Ocarina of Time (3DS) - Not started
Majora's Mask (3DS) - Not started
Wind Waker (?) - I would've liked to play it again on the Wii U but my Wii U died :(
Twilight Princess (?) - Don't really know how to best play this
Skyward Sword (?) - Ugh. Not looking forward to this slog
Link Between Worlds (3DS) - Not started

On the fence:
 - Oracle of Seasons/Time
- Minish cap
- Spirit tracks
- Four sword adventures

Overall thoughts:

- BotW is really the fulfillment of the promise of the overworld in the original zelda. But good god, the dungeons suck. I really wish they had temples or actual dungeons.
- It's really amazing that LoZ was made like 35+ years ago. It's simply astounding.
- LoZ 1 - isn't that bad except for Dungeons 6 and 9. 6 was a huge difficulty spike and 9 was just really convoluted, obtuse and difficult
- LoZ 2 - Wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for the insane amount of grinding and the last temple. That grand temple was insanity. The last two bosses were bordering on unfair. I used a save state before I got to lightning bird thing. I really don't know how in the world I finished this game in the past because dying to the last bosses in one or two hits then having to go back to the start of the temple if I ran out of lives (which you'd spend at least one or two to get there)
- LttP - Sorta surprised again by the amount of content in this with all the dungeons. Really a natural progression from the original. But combat is brain dead
- I'm on the fence about a bunch of these  (of course the capcom games are there) then there's 4 swords which is a bit gimmicky and then I've just not heard great things about either Minish cap or Spirit tracks.  But honestly I'm on the fence with playing Wind waker non-HD and Skyward sword. I really liked Wind Waker, but don't think I can go back to the non-HD version with the faster sail and QoL improvements. And Skyward Sword was too much a slog with it's wonky controls (though it does that wonderful Cistern dungeon which is excellent).

I'm open to suggestions on any I might have missed or any platforms/emulators for the future ones.
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Himu on September 09, 2019, 05:53:59 PM
Ocarina and LTTP are the best Zelda’s imo.

I love the series but it’s a bit long in the tooth once you reach Wind Waker and Twilight Princess Which are just retreading old ground.

Replayed Ocarina and Majora’s last year. I used to put Majora’s much higher but once you’ve played it before there’s nothing truly great about Majora’s Mask. A lot of it is tedium even in the superior 3ds version. Like seriously, the Anju and Kafei quest is tedium incarnate. I hate having to redo shit over and over. Ocarina is truly the greatest. Its only flaw is the traversal and how slow Link is. Having to walk about Hyrule field without a horse in young form sucks. That’s about it. I highly suggest playing Master Quest for Ocarina. It owns hard and the puzzles/exploration is :delicious Def my favorite Zelda at this point.

Link Between Worlds is also great.

Currently playing BOTW. I don’t know where I rank it yet. It has potential and seems to be a grower.
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: CatsCatsCats on September 09, 2019, 05:54:16 PM
I recall enjoying Minish Cap quite a bit, myself
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: team filler on September 09, 2019, 05:55:21 PM
skyward sword has some of the best zelda... but also some of the worst  :doge

overall I loved it, especially the music. botw was a big letdown for zelda tunes  :-\
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: CatsCatsCats on September 09, 2019, 05:56:25 PM
TP is pretty great on the back end but I would never replay it just because of the beginning
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: BisMarckie on September 09, 2019, 05:57:56 PM
Zelda‘s Adventure or GTFO :camby
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Himu on September 09, 2019, 05:58:02 PM
TP has fun stuff like the desert dungeon and the ice dungeon. The water dungeon is good but it’s not something I would ever want to replay. Meanwhile I’ve replayed LoZ, LTTP, and OoT more times than I can count.
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Nintex on September 09, 2019, 06:24:44 PM
Quote
Wind Waker (?)
Twilight Princess (?)
Best to play these on Wii U if you're not going to use emulators.
The HD version of TP is the superior one, it doesn't have the weird mirror world of the Wii build and it looks much better.

I mean, it shouldn't be too hard to find a cheap replacement Wii U somewhere.  :doge
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 09, 2019, 06:34:14 PM
The Oracle games were pretty great at the time, not sure how they've aged. I would play those ahead of Skyward Sword, but I hate waggle that much.
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Svejk on September 09, 2019, 07:15:06 PM
Out of the DS ones, definitely Spirit Tracks over Phantom Hourglass.
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Himu on September 09, 2019, 07:38:59 PM
Isn't it funny how Link used to be left handed until they had to mirror Twilight Princess for the Wii and now he's been right handed in most games?

...no? I'll see myself out.

As a leftie I find it to be erasure.
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Chooky on September 09, 2019, 07:44:55 PM
four swords is fucking fun, but i dunno how it'd be single player
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 10, 2019, 10:10:35 AM
Currently at the water temple in LttP. Has there ever been a good one of these?
Also having played 1-2, and LttP right after BotW it really stands out what a failure BotW was in the music department.
It's really sad. I get what they were going for but it just didn't work and was awful.
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Svejk on September 10, 2019, 10:34:06 AM
BotW by far has the weakest OST of all the Zeldas.  They need to fire that girl who did the score and bring the real shit back.

The music while riding your horse in BotW just makes me think of this all the time...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9PiqCeLEmM
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Himu on September 10, 2019, 10:34:41 AM
Currently at the water temple in LttP. Has there ever been a good one of these?
Also having played 1-2, and LttP right after BotW it really stands out what a failure BotW was in the music department.
It's really sad. I get what they were going for but it just didn't work and was awful.

godlike

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BStjuHfP238

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uR7doemZD0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1CKttAmNKA

The iconic intro with the triforce. Getting the Master Sword for the first time...

God I love that game so much. More evidence that SNES > Genesis in one punch.
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Himu on September 10, 2019, 10:38:52 AM
Also when you get to OoT play the 3ds version. SO MUCH BETTER. Iron boots is an item so you can just map it to weapon and automatically turn on/off iron boots in water temple without going to menu.
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: paprikastaude on September 10, 2019, 11:20:51 AM
MM is still the GOAT in world building, arguably even outside the Zelda series, thanks to its gimmick (and also writing) that allowed for indepth NPC story telling. Too bad the remake fucked it up, because its 1 or 2 good QOL features are facing 10 to 20 downgrades.
No one played Minish Cap, but that one might have the best world building right after MM. Tons of fun NPCs and sidequests that are woven naturally into the map. It also has amazing spritework and I hope Nintendo never touches it with their dumb 2,5D graphics. You can't ever go wrong with replaying OoT and ALttP since they are the rock solid foundation of them all, but to me the most interesting games are twists like MM and the Capcom ones.

Though I might also prefer TP to OoT, as it has all the GOAT dungeons and such an amazing variety in gameplay and setpieces - every dungeon is completely different. But I also like everything inbetween thanks to its atmosphere. I replayed it 3 or 4 times, certainly there will be more at some point. Honestly, it's also the last great one for me. I realized that I'm only still a series fan thanks to catching up on prior titles or replaying them. LBW really wasn't great on a second run without the novelty of playing a new 2D Zelda. The item lending doesn't hold up at all, even in hard mode. The DS games are dumpster fires and BotW is too much Ubisoft in disguise. The lack of dungeons isn't so much a problem as the lack of truly interesting rewards. Plus I simply can't stop thinking about the graphical downgrade compared to its very first ""ingame"" (lol) trailer in 2013 or whenever - the weaker look in the final game just bothers me. Shortly after finishing the latter I gave Zelda 2 my first honest try on NES Mini and it's really addictive once the combat clicks. It honestly has the most rewarding combat of the series, there's been some real nail-biting moments. Also replayed ALttP on SNES Mini after (or before) my replay of LBW, which highlighted the superior pacing and map progression of the original.
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: paprikastaude on September 10, 2019, 11:32:53 AM
Out of the DS ones, definitely Spirit Tracks over Phantom Hourglass.

ST improved upon all the mistakes of PH, like boring music, monotonous setpieces, lame puzzles, etc. Yet it also has the worst gimmick of the entire series. I literally couldn't progress in the game, because that flute mechanic was broken trash. Nothing works with it after a certain level and the game gives you zero feedback on what it wants.

I don't know if I should try the game again, since maybe it worked worse because I played it on a OG DS and not a Lite? :larry
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Himu on September 10, 2019, 11:33:03 AM
So far I'm thinking BOTW has world building on par or better than MM. Every town so far has unique NPCs and unique storylines and stuff going down, and the way the world slowly expands as more and more is uncovered is great.
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: ToxicAdam on September 10, 2019, 12:05:27 PM
Currently at the water temple in LttP. Has there ever been a good one of these?
Also having played 1-2, and LttP right after BotW it really stands out what a failure BotW was in the music department.
It's really sad. I get what they were going for but it just didn't work and was awful.

I thought the water level in Skyward Sword was excellent. One of the better dungeons of that game.

Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Svejk on September 10, 2019, 12:51:59 PM
Out of the DS ones, definitely Spirit Tracks over Phantom Hourglass.

ST improved upon all the mistakes of PH, like boring music, monotonous setpieces, lame puzzles, etc. Yet it also has the worst gimmick of the entire series. I literally couldn't progress in the game, because that flute mechanic was broken trash. Nothing works with it after a certain level and the game gives you zero feedback on what it wants.

I don't know if I should try the game again, since maybe it worked worse because I played it on a OG DS and not a Lite? :larry
My kids and I play it on a phone emu (DraStic) from time to time, and the flute mechanic is a total pain in the ass because the mic just doesn't pick up the blowing as well as the OG DS it seems.  But it certainly looks a helluva better though in HD.
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Tasty on September 10, 2019, 01:46:56 PM
Isn't it funny how Link used to be left handed until they had to mirror Twilight Princess for the Wii and now he's been right handed in most games?

...no? I'll see myself out.

That was probably going to be a one-off thing (TP Wii isn't the canon version), but then Skyward Sword kinda cemented it. :/
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: benjipwns on September 11, 2019, 10:42:02 AM
Isn't it funny how Link used to be left handed until they had to mirror Twilight Princess for the Wii and now he's been right handed in most games?

...no? I'll see myself out.

That was probably going to be a one-off thing (TP Wii isn't the canon version), but then Skyward Sword kinda cemented it. :/
They wanted to be clear that Link is not alt-right, but full-right.
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 11, 2019, 11:13:57 AM
I could never beat the Thunderbird in Zelda 2.
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: paprikastaude on September 11, 2019, 11:58:05 AM
Up until that point I was able to go without save states, but the bird was too much. Also surprisingly I didn't need a guide until one of the last dungeons, for which you need that wood cutting feature you can't possibly know you have.
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: CatsCatsCats on September 11, 2019, 01:13:08 PM
You are weak. I beat that game on original hardware — with a dead battery in the cart (no saving)
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 11, 2019, 01:29:48 PM
:badass
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: CatsCatsCats on September 11, 2019, 01:32:35 PM
WEAKKKKKKKK
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 11, 2019, 02:13:45 PM
You are weak. I beat that game on original hardware — with a dead battery in the cart (no saving)
Same here. replaying it now, I'm surprised I was able to do it at all.

Edit: of course back then, I played it for weeks/months. This time around my play time was <12 hours.
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Himu on September 11, 2019, 06:18:37 PM
I like BOTW ost so far :yeshrug
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Nintex on September 11, 2019, 07:01:01 PM
I like BOTW ost so far :yeshrug
The OST is good as part of the game, but falls flat without the gameplay interaction outside of a few tracks.
It wasn't as memorable as other soundtracks released in the same year such as Nier Automata.

Which is sorta weird for a Zelda game
 :yeshrug
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Chooky on September 11, 2019, 07:15:32 PM
having more subdued music was great for both the atmosphere and for the extended playtime of an open-world game. a traditional japanese looping soundtrack would be a fucking nightmare for a 100+ game.
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: tiesto on September 11, 2019, 07:55:24 PM
Didn't care for the BOTW soundtrack, seemed too atonal and without melody from what I remember. Not a patch on other Zeldas.

Ex: this battle theme.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeT4_y9iXvc
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Himu on September 11, 2019, 08:29:46 PM
Hateno and Kakariko themes :uguu :heart
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Chooky on September 11, 2019, 08:59:26 PM
Hateno and Kakariko themes :uguu :heart

those plus the rito and zora themes are fucking mind blowing
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Tasty on September 11, 2019, 09:48:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw47_q9wbBE

Trailer so hype I'm still watching it two years later. :lawd
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: bork on September 12, 2019, 03:45:05 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ex2OF79TDA
 :asuka
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Nintex on September 12, 2019, 04:01:42 PM
having more subdued music was great for both the atmosphere and for the extended playtime of an open-world game. a traditional japanese looping soundtrack would be a fucking nightmare for a 100+ game.
Nier Automata did a great job of having a catchy Japanese soundtrack that worked both for short bursts of play as well as long journeys.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FvUySYGHYA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tx0U9UsUgpI

I also liked some of BOTW's dynamic tracks but the weakest parts were played the most often (the repeating horse riding sequence for example).
It's almost like Twilight Princess where some of the best tracks were played only in the background of text dialogues that lasted 3 seconds if you just skipped ahead without reading or listening.
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Tuckers Law on September 12, 2019, 08:46:23 PM
No TriForce heroes?
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 16, 2019, 03:05:13 PM
Lttp is now completed.
Again suprised by the amount of content in it.

Now onto Ocarina of time. This is where we start to wander away from the installments I played to death. Like both Loz 1 and 2 took me just a day. LttP took me about 3 days play time. But I have all those games completely memorized. Ocarina I've only ever finished once. So it's gonna be harder.
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Himu on September 16, 2019, 03:07:35 PM
Lttp is now completed.
Again suprised by the amount of content in it.

Now onto Ocarina of time. This is where we start to wander away from the installments I played to death. Like both Loz 1 and 2 took me just a day. LttP took me about 3 days play time. But I have all those games completely memorized. Ocarina I've only ever finished once. So it's gonna be harder.

Play the 3ds version if possible.
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Svejk on September 16, 2019, 03:12:38 PM
In a post BOTW world.... Ocarina is still my fav hands down.  :heart
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 16, 2019, 03:35:30 PM
Lttp is now completed.
Again suprised by the amount of content in it.

Now onto Ocarina of time. This is where we start to wander away from the installments I played to death. Like both Loz 1 and 2 took me just a day. LttP took me about 3 days play time. But I have all those games completely memorized. Ocarina I've only ever finished once. So it's gonna be harder.

Play the 3ds version if possible.
Yup 3DS for both Ocarina and majora's mask
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: team filler on September 16, 2019, 03:53:16 PM
3ds mm  :yuck
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: curly on September 16, 2019, 04:18:41 PM
what's wrong with 3ds majora
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: team filler on September 16, 2019, 04:25:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=653wuaP0wzs


YerAWizardHarry
1 week ago
The project restoration mod for the 3DS version is 99% done and it’s amazing. It runs both on the 3DS and Citra so everyone who wants to play MM3D with the original game’s mechanics etc. should look at project restoration.
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: paprikastaude on September 16, 2019, 04:33:34 PM
All MM needed - good graphics, more precise skipping time forward.

What they did - the above but also two gallons of :trash  :derp :cat :joker :cat :dislike :trash :trash
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Chooky on September 16, 2019, 04:55:08 PM
the complaints about the remake are so hilariously overblown, especially considering how much they improved on the base game
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Himu on September 16, 2019, 05:06:36 PM
There’s nothing wrong with the remake besides the lack of Zora swimming. That’s literally it.
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: team filler on September 16, 2019, 05:07:58 PM
 ::)
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: paprikastaude on September 16, 2019, 05:32:28 PM
They've destroyed one fourth of the game, that's literally it  :doge

(no, that's not even it, but there's no point in just repeating the video content less eloquently here)
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: curly on September 16, 2019, 05:57:17 PM
That video seemed like some legitimate but minor complaints made into a much bigger deal than they deserved.
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Post by: CatsCatsCats on September 16, 2019, 06:07:35 PM
That video seemed like some legitimate but minor complaints made into a much bigger deal than they deserved.

Sounds like a video posted to the Internet :lol
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Tuckers Law on September 16, 2019, 06:16:19 PM
That video’s been dumb ever since it was posted, especially because Zelda fans can be the worst with their fandom anal-retentiveness and they love using videos like that to cudgel their arguments into discussion. (I say this with love, being an anal-retentive Zelda fan myself who has probably done similar in the past.)
Yeah, the Zora swim change sucks, but the changes made to saving, song of double time, and the bombers notebook all elevated the game more than enough to make it the better version.
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Chooky on September 16, 2019, 06:35:11 PM
correct me if im wrong but wasnt the coastline where you could swim just a fairly small area that was basically empty save for the entrance to the zora town and a shitty minigame?
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Himu on September 16, 2019, 06:45:05 PM
There’s nothing wrong with the remake besides the lack of Zora swimming. That’s literally it.

That's enough to make me prefer the OG to be honest.

I agree for Great Bay but swimming in the water is so good in the original and it sucks you can’t switch modes.
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Himu on September 16, 2019, 06:47:25 PM
correct me if im wrong but wasnt the coastline where you could swim just a fairly small area that was basically empty save for the entrance to the zora town and a shitty minigame?

You’re right.

And a few Chu chu’s I think.
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Svejk on September 20, 2019, 09:46:08 AM
Alright, I need yall's knowledge... Since the release of BOTW, Gerudo Town music sounds like a play off another familiar Zelda tune, and I've been racking my brain the past few years trying to pinpoint it, but can't.  Why does it sound so familiar?!? 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oad-1DT5z9I

Closest track I can see a resemblance from is Kakariko Village from TP...  Can't find any other Gerudo track from OoT, WW or SS that's as close as this....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlMGdW87Wuo

Yay? Nay?  Or am I just reaching?
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Tuckers Law on September 20, 2019, 01:30:07 PM
Hmm, good question.  I feel like maybe it could be pulling from one of or a couple of different themes.  The Pirate Fortress themes from Majora’s mask and Skyward Sword’s Lanayru Sea maybe?

https://youtu.be/P1pM58bKm0I

https://youtu.be/weT8_6nqaCE
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Himu on September 20, 2019, 01:54:56 PM
Sounds nothing like past Zelda songs imo.

The most it has that's similar is the Goron theme in OoT/MM which also has a similar weird-ish sound/vibe to it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9qVuTL4Psc
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Post by: CatsCatsCats on September 20, 2019, 02:17:06 PM
Yeah I thought “maybe when you chill with the Gorons in OoT?” myself but dunno
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Tuckers Law on September 20, 2019, 02:30:33 PM
https://youtu.be/3FWVKu1gnWs

Mark Brown is saying it calls back to the Gerudo theme from Ocarina, but I’m not really hearing it and think Mark Brown is being a liar here.

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/78f3617385c666b53a026fa07acfb69f/tenor.gif?itemid=12368465)
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: EchoRin on September 21, 2019, 10:29:17 PM
I'd like to write about my Link's Awakening (Switch) experience. This thread might be a good spot?

First timer playing any iteration of this game. First time playing any pre-3D Zelda (this game is 3D, yes. But you know what I mean. The OG was a 2D game) I'm about to make my way through the second dungeon. Funny that there is some slowdown in the game now and then (usually when going outside from some indoors area). I know this remaster is based on a Game Boy game, but it's funny how much it actually feels like it despite the huge facelift the game got. Getting acclimated to this style of a Zelda game has been easy so far. I don't see this as a downgrade from the modern 1 to 1 scale Zelda's. A different style, that's all.
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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 22, 2019, 11:05:44 PM
Like I love Link's Awakening and was going to pick up a copy this weekend, but that Nintendo tax :kobeyuck

It's a great game. But it's a great 10 hour game. I'll end up buying it, because of course I will. But still I'm not happy about it.

Right now about to go into Jabu Jabu in OoT. I know OoT is a lot of player's first zelda, but really I don't find it as compelling as the other entries in the series. And there's a lot of back and forth with very little variety. And the art style is pretty bad. Majora's mask aged a lot better, yes there was a lot of back tracking around similar places but the mechanic of it all really worked.
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Post by: bork on September 22, 2019, 11:29:32 PM
I'd like to write about my Link's Awakening (Switch) experience. This thread might be a good spot?

First timer playing any iteration of this game. First time playing any pre-3D Zelda (this game is 3D, yes. But you know what I mean. The OG was a 2D game)

 :o

You gotta go try A Link To The Past when you finish this!
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Himu on September 23, 2019, 01:21:05 AM
Right now about to go into Jabu Jabu in OoT. I know OoT is a lot of player's first zelda, but really I don't find it as compelling as the other entries in the series. And there's a lot of back and forth with very little variety. And the art style is pretty bad. Majora's mask aged a lot better, yes there was a lot of back tracking around similar places but the mechanic of it all really worked.

Disagree entirely on OoT and MM. In my opinion, OoT's only flaw is that it has backtracking and IMO the Zelda LTTP formula works better in 3d than 2d. The dungeons and puzzles are pretty predictable in LTTP once you know what to do. Whereas the dungeons and exploration are far more rewarding in OoT. Dungeons like Shadow Temple, Forest Temple, and Fire Temple really aren't possible in 2D. In 2D Zelda it's obvious where you need to shoot an arrow. In 3D Zelda - particularly OoT - you need to scout around to solve puzzles and actually interact with the world to find solutions. The exploration and puzzle solving is more involved and interesting to me. You know how in 3D platforming it's more of a case of "how do I get there?" rather well timed jumps? It's more exploratory than being reflex based. I think OoT solidifies that more than any 3D Zelda. The exploration is just far superior to any Zelda before it until BOTW for me. Also, OoT doesn't reach its full potential until adult Link so :yeshrug Child Link doesn't even have Epona. Child Link is the worst section of the game.

As for MM, it's less interesting on replays. And then you have to do things like stand around 5 minutes in real life waiting for a clock to strike a certain minute. It's far more tedious, even in the 3ds remake. The only thing I'll give it over OoT is story (possibly) and art direction.

I think OoT is the best Zelda. With BOTW being a close second. Might beat OoT in the end though.
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Post by: Svejk on September 23, 2019, 08:31:51 AM
I think OoT is the best Zelda. With BOTW being a close second. Might beat OoT in the end though.
You need to hurry up (but take your time  :) ) and finish BOTW, because I'm curious what you'll think of the the finale area, boss, ending, etc...
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Post by: MMaRsu on September 23, 2019, 01:02:47 PM
Started OOT 3DS remake and im in jabu jabu right now..man this game is gorgeous

Its  hard to remember but playing through the n64 original at the time and this game is still just as fucking good.

Also crossed over 120 hours in BOTW? Still havent gone too the castle though  :lol wanna discover more!
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Post by: Himu on September 23, 2019, 02:29:11 PM
I’m in the castle now.l getting 1337 loots
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Post by: Tuckers Law on September 23, 2019, 02:44:02 PM
I recently started up BOTW to finally get around to playing the DLC, and I gotta say: goddamn, I just did not really appreciate how much care and design went into Hyrule Castle.  When I first played it, I’d already been playing for 160 hours and was ready to finish the game, so I didn’t really soak in and explore all the bits of that area.  This time though: :whew, especially listening to the full music suite that’s playing as you explore  :lawd.


My hope is that they use the Hyrule Castle section as a design touchstone for whatever new “dungeons” they build in the sequel.  Hopefully several of them.
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Post by: MMaRsu on September 24, 2019, 12:12:50 PM
fuck man jabu jabu is still a shitty dungeon just as it was back in the day :(
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Post by: team filler on September 24, 2019, 01:38:35 PM
skyward sword has the best dungeons  :-[
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Post by: Tuckers Law on September 24, 2019, 01:41:01 PM
fuck man jabu jabu is still a shitty dungeon just as it was back in the day :(

It could always be worse: you could be playing Skykeep Dungeon from Skyward Sword.
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Post by: Svejk on September 24, 2019, 02:12:48 PM
fuck man jabu jabu is still a shitty dungeon just as it was back in the day :(
The water temple still chaps my ass to this day.

skyward sword has the best dungeons  :-[
If only BOTW had SS caliber dungeons and music...   :dsp 
Fingers crossed for BOTW2.
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Post by: bork on September 24, 2019, 02:52:39 PM
If only BOTW had SS caliber dungeons and music...   :dsp 
Fingers crossed for BOTW2.

Am assuming it's going to have added dungeons and a playable Zelda (or maybe co-op?).  What else could be added to the BoTW formula? :thinking
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Post by: Svejk on September 24, 2019, 03:43:54 PM
As much as people want it, I doubt they'll add co-op, or a playable Zelda for that matter.  Otherwise, consistent, good music, deeper story and dungeon designs, and it would be a bit of alright.
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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 24, 2019, 04:53:45 PM
Can you imagine multiple dungeons each like a mini hyrule castle in BOTW2? :mouf
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Post by: Nintex on September 24, 2019, 06:04:16 PM
For BOTW2 I hope they expand the map with new area's below the surface as they had in the trailer or a dark world of sorts.
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Post by: Chooky on September 24, 2019, 06:25:35 PM
all i care about in botw2 is seeing what new powers they'll add
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Post by: MMaRsu on September 25, 2019, 04:14:54 PM
I have never played Skyword Sword  :lol
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Post by: Svejk on September 25, 2019, 04:44:45 PM
I have never played Skyword Sword  :lol
It could easily be considered one of the best, IF they didn't force waggle controls on you.  Alas, alot of the gameplay elements use the wiimote in various ways.  Some work, but most anything involving the sword, basically sucked.  Otherwise, the game is beautiful in every other way; Absolutely massive in scale, huge, creative dungeons/puzzles (some borderline too big for their own good), interesting story, and some beautiful music.. a few of the tracks being fully orchestrated even.
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Post by: curly on September 25, 2019, 05:26:17 PM
I have never played Skyword Sword  :lol
It could easily be considered one of the best, IF they didn't force waggle controls on you. 

 :doge
A hub instead of a proper overworld, the game literally telling you the solutions to puzzles, the way too long tutorial...Yeah there were some nice moments but it was a deeply flawed game
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Post by: team filler on September 25, 2019, 05:27:20 PM
the controls were fine, people complain too much  ::)

biggest problem was not enough to do in the sky, too empty. you can fly around where ever you like... to nothing. also game world not being connected sucked. not being able to travel between provinces on foot  :yuck
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Post by: curly on September 25, 2019, 05:30:46 PM
Genuinely agreeing with a filler post :fbm

Once I got the hang of the controls they were fine (which did take awhile), kinda fun even.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 25, 2019, 05:31:58 PM
I enjoyed the controls in Skyward Sword except for the bird controls.  Woof
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Post by: curly on September 25, 2019, 05:34:38 PM
I have never played Skyword Sword  :lol
It could easily be considered one of the best, IF they didn't force waggle controls on you. 

 :doge
A hub instead of a proper overworld, the game literally telling you the solutions to puzzles, the way too long tutorial...Yeah there were some nice moments but it was a deeply flawed game

Also Fi

How did I forget about Fi
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Post by: Svejk on September 25, 2019, 05:39:21 PM
Using the nunchuk horrendous analog stick too...  Maybe my wiimote was fucked up, because the sword play felt really off last I played.  Everything else would track fine, but the supposed 1:1 with the sword never felt right.
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Post by: Nintex on September 25, 2019, 07:11:05 PM
Played through Skyward Sword just once and I enjoyed it.

But the sheer amount of padding (something literally called pad tones) and expecting a HD release for Wii U never made me replay it.
It was a fun game but the Wii wasn't able to do the graphics style they were going for convincingly and it lacked the power to have a seamless overworld.
SS was the game that made Nintendo realize that the way they were doing Zelda wasn't going to work for another decade and they needed to seriously upgrade their tech and rethink a lot of the core concepts.

Development was also messy when at some point after Wii Sports Resort was launched Aonuma felt he had to do something with the Wii Motion Plus to answer to the expectations of the players.
They removed and re-added those functions a bunch of times before landing on the final play style. When it was shown by Miyamoto at E3 the game had all sorts of trouble with the controls that it flat-out broke on him.
In the end though the controls were the least of the problems the game had.
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Post by: team filler on September 25, 2019, 10:47:03 PM
lanayru time travel stuff  :lawd
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Post by: Svejk on September 25, 2019, 11:16:54 PM
The desert puzzle/level was kinda bonkers in how large it was.
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Post by: EchoRin on September 26, 2019, 12:10:31 AM
Link's Awakening Switch talk:

5 dungeons down. Gotta appreciate how the game doesn't hold your hand. So far I've had two instances where I was stuck and both of them were rather clumsy. When Richard moved back after I retrieved all of his feathers I tried to talk to him again and was like "hmm... he didn't give me anything. Maybe I should head back to his castle?" After bumping around for a bit I came back to his house and nothing had changed. Looked up a video to see I had to move a statue that was next to him before he moved back to reveal the stairs that lead to the yard  >:( . Then in the 3rd dungeon there is a bit where you notice a chest with a key that is on a slightly higher plain. In the room the owl even says "test the sword on the wall. Some sound hollow and you can explode them." I knew that already, but I didn't see any cracks or anything so I was all "maybe in a different room?" I got nowhere so looked  up a video and saw the huge ass arrow the tiles are making pointing to the wall.  >:( . Yeah fair enough. You can't see the wall defect so I didn't think to use the literal tiles as a clue. Appreciate the little shortcuts that become available to you as you gain abilities. The hookshot was neat to finally get. I almost lost my shit again in the 5th dungeon as I was looking for the nightmare key and forgot that I had to dive into the water to enter the room. I kept going to rooms with stairs, cause you see stairs in on the map with that last chest. But the room with water doesn't have any specific marker and I first passed it long ago, before I even got the hookshot in the dungeon so it slipped my mind until I almost gave up.

Most of the map is uncovered and when looking in my inventory I don't think you need more than 5 keys (for the 5 dungeons) so maybe I'm slowly coming to the end of the game. $60 is steep for this remake I admit. Luckily when you put aside that aspect and only take the game as it is, it's been a fulfilling experience so far.
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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 26, 2019, 02:46:22 PM
Ocarina of time is such a mixed bag when it comes to dungeons. Some rather good ones (the Deku tree is a master class on teaching game mechanics) to the dreaded Water Temple (which is where I am now)
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Post by: Svejk on September 26, 2019, 03:09:39 PM
Water temple sucks... Should be smoove sailing after it though.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 26, 2019, 03:37:58 PM
Lol finding the passage to Animal Village is such 90s BS  :lol

Had to look it up after 2 hours of walking around. Maybe my bad cause I was watching telly too.
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Post by: Himu on September 26, 2019, 03:54:39 PM
Water temple is fine on 3ds :yeshrug
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Post by: EchoRin on September 26, 2019, 06:46:22 PM
Lol finding the passage to Animal Village is such 90s BS  :lol

Had to look it up after 2 hours of walking around. Maybe my bad cause I was watching telly too.

Hmm... was it
spoiler (click to show/hide)
"pick up/chop a shrub to unveil the stairs"?
[close]
Cause I don't recall having any difficulty making my way to the animal village.

Edit: Looking at my last post I thought I had 5 keys already, but the  last dungeon did not require a key so there is still a slot for one more key in my menu.
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Post by: Trent Dole on September 26, 2019, 10:20:11 PM
Water temple is fine on 3ds :yeshrug
They simplified the shit out of it on that version.
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Post by: Himu on September 26, 2019, 11:33:00 PM
Water temple is fine on 3ds :yeshrug
They simplified the shit out of it on that version.

It's the same but you don't have to go to the menu to equip iron boots iirc.

IDK I played master quest 3ds.

and if it's easier it begs the question why Puppy still doesn't like it.
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Post by: Chooky on September 27, 2019, 12:05:22 AM
biggest problem with the water temple was the part where you had to find a secret room under a rising platform, but i believe later versions added a short cutscene to show you the room. other than that the only annoying thing about it that i remember is menu swapping and raising/lowering the water levels. the hate is for it is over the top. it has the fucking mirror fight ffs!
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 27, 2019, 01:10:31 AM
Lol finding the passage to Animal Village is such 90s BS  :lol

Had to look it up after 2 hours of walking around. Maybe my bad cause I was watching telly too.

Hmm... was it
spoiler (click to show/hide)
"pick up/chop a shrub to unveil the stairs"?
[close]
Cause I don't recall having any difficulty making my way to the animal village.

Edit: Looking at my last post I thought I had 5 keys already, but the  last dungeon did not require a key so there is still a slot for one more key in my menu.

Yeah, i walked around the map for two hours before giving up and looking it up. So random imho

Also why are people complaining its a full price game? Its a remake of a 26 year old game. Maybe they could have offered it cheaper but you know people will still eat it up. Plus I will sell it when Im done :)
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Post by: Tuckers Law on September 27, 2019, 03:44:41 AM
I never minded the Ocarina Water Temple, I didn’t even realize it was so widely disliked until a year or two later by which time I was regularly reading the Vault/IGN message boards (lol).  I understand how that dungeon could frustrate someone though, much the same as the Temple of the Ocean King in Phantom Hourglass (another maligned dungeon which I strangely enjoyed).
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Post by: Tuckers Law on September 27, 2019, 04:31:07 AM
 Trials of the Master Sword tho. :whoo

Nintendo needs to get on making a standalone expansion pack of these, ala MGS: VR Missions.
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Post by: Svejk on September 27, 2019, 08:00:44 AM
Trials of the Master Sword tho. :whoo

Nintendo needs to get on making a standalone expansion pack of these, ala MGS: VR Missions.
I need to finish those still.  Wanted to max out my hearts before trying to complete those.  They did breathe some fresh air into the post game.  If only time would allow...  :-\
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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 27, 2019, 12:10:31 PM
Water temple is fine on 3ds :yeshrug
They simplified the shit out of it on that version.

It's the same but you don't have to go to the menu to equip iron boots iirc.

IDK I played master quest 3ds.

and if it's easier it begs the question why Puppy still doesn't like it.
I just think the level is uninteresting and boring and I have never, ever been a fan of the "This dungeon has a main room. You're going to be backtracking to it like 20 times." design. Hypocritcially the Ancient Cistern is probably one of my favorite dungeons in the whole series.  Probably because the whole symbolism and aesthetic to it. But there are a few of those in Ocarina.
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Post by: Svejk on September 27, 2019, 12:22:09 PM
I use the Deku Tree music from OoT for my alarm in the morning.  So soothing, mello and mystical all at the same time. Them alpha waves.
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Post by: Nintex on September 28, 2019, 10:05:02 AM
Animal Village  :tocry

Marin  :tocry

 :uguu

:stahp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZgkItAzXEA
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Post by: MMaRsu on September 28, 2019, 10:51:41 AM
Beat the forest temple and now onto.. ? I dunno 😂
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Post by: Himu on September 28, 2019, 11:53:30 AM
Most likely fire but you can sequence break in OoT :)
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Post by: Nintex on September 29, 2019, 07:25:21 AM
Ah yes, the Goron genocide.  :lol
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Post by: Nintex on September 29, 2019, 10:55:17 AM
Pink ghost  :tocry

Mr. Rabbit  :tocry
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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 01, 2019, 08:18:16 PM
Finishing up OOT at this point. I had a hard time with Bongo Bongo (I kept on running out of arrows)  and so I went out and did the big goron stuff. I forgot how OP you sorta get from doing that.

I really don't get how you could say that the water temple is "OK" now. Less annoying? Sure. But it's still terribly designed. 3 different places to raise and lower the water, you can only raise it sequentially. So if you forgot something on level three and the water level is at level one you have to go, traverse the way to the level two area, play the zelda song, watch the song cut scene, watch the water raising cut scene, traverse to the area to raise the water level again, play the song again (cutscene), watch the water rise again.

Without a walk through you're going to miss stuff so you'll get stuck and then be like "Hrmm...probably missed something on the first level." Go back lower the level then be like "Oh man I forgot that thing on the 3rd level." Now go and raise the level twice.

In no way is the water temple "fixed" it's just more tolerable now.
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Post by: Himu on October 02, 2019, 01:49:19 AM
At the very least, when you beat OoT 3ds start a game of Master Quest and do Deku Tree dungeon to get a sample of how more refreshing the game is before officially moving on to MM.
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Post by: Svejk on October 02, 2019, 08:28:14 AM
Isn't Master Quest just basically mirrored?
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Post by: Chooky on October 02, 2019, 08:39:15 AM
nope. it has a mirrored map on the 3ds version, but all dungeons are redone. they have the same maps, but the puzzles and the path thru each dungeon is completely different.
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Post by: Svejk on October 02, 2019, 08:57:58 AM
Wonder if it varied from the Master Quest on the GC version, because that was the one I played last with my kids.  I played it, and although it seemed familiar, it was mirrored and not that familiar all at the same time. 

Edit: It appears it did have these changes as well, (unless they did even more on 3DS)...
Quote
The most notable feature of Master Quest is that every dungeon in the game has been modified to increase the difficulty of the game. Each one features a different layout, changing the progression through the levels. Enemies are spread differently throughout the dungeons, and tougher enemies are encountered much earlier on than in Ocarina of Time. In addition, some Gold Skulltula locations in dungeons have been moved, and certain items that are optional in the original version are now mandatory to complete the game.
https://zelda.gamepedia.com/The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Ocarina_of_Time_Master_Quest
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Post by: Himu on October 02, 2019, 09:44:33 AM
Uh, yeah.

Like I said.

Do Deku tree.

If you have any experience with OoT at all you should (actually, scratch that, let’s say will) say,”holy fuck I don’t remember it being this hard?”

Glorious. :delicious

In MQ enemies can one hit kill almost half the game. Beating Deku Tree is quite a triumph.

And to be fair to Puppy, I played MQ on 3ds (I specifically scouted out a used copy locally at GameStop that had been completed so I could play MQ rather than go through the original game again and succeeded). And lemme tell ya. Water Temple in MQ is way, wayyy different in MQ than original OoT. That colored my impression of OoT 3d.

If you’re asking these questions it tells me you didn’t go through Deku Tree.
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Post by: Tuckers Law on October 02, 2019, 05:31:58 PM
Gonna co-sign that.  Ocarina Master Quest is ridiculously rewarding and well worth playing.  I wish Nintendo would do another preorder bonus as fire as the Master Quest disc was.  Not doing a Master Quest for WWHD was such a missed opportunity. :notlikethis
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Post by: TEEEPO on October 02, 2019, 05:42:37 PM
i don't remember the original master quest being that much more difficult save for a few tricky gotcha moments both in enemy encounters and puzzle design but it seems like the 3ds version made it so enemies deal twice the amount of damage.
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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 02, 2019, 08:03:23 PM
So I finished OoT AND i did the deku tree in the Master Quest. You are right. It is way better designed. I died only 3 times in the whole quest of OoT. Once was because the camera. Another because I just threw myself at Ganon and the camera got caught and I couldn't see to dodge. And one of them was a genuine death. So really I'd only count 1 or at best 2 deserved deaths. I died once in the Deku temple Master Quest itself. I was like "Whoa.....that's actually sorta nice" maybe after I'm done with all of them I'll return and do the whole master quest.

Now onto the Switch version of Link's awakening.
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Post by: Nintex on October 05, 2019, 01:10:38 PM
Finished the Face shrine. The end of Link's Awakening is in sight  :tocry

Rooster flapping behind me :heart
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Post by: bork on October 06, 2019, 11:06:58 PM
Finished the Face shrine. The end of Link's Awakening is in sight  :tocry

Rooster flapping behind me :heart

Finished it last night- The Eagle tower was the most challenging dungeon, but only because I got lost as to where to go to get to the pillars, lol.  Didn't get all the seashells and I know I missed at least one teleporter, but that's all right- got too much else to play so moving on.  Game was a blast.
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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 08, 2019, 12:27:37 PM
Initial thoughts on Links Awakening. Love the visual style, at first I thought I'd love a remake like this of the original or maybe LttP. Really though, I'm not sure the "tone" of those games would work for that (but god I'd love a remake of those) but link between worlds is probably the best of keeping to that kind of visual tone.

Game seems a bit slow in control. Though the button for a shield is a much needed change after LttP's and 1 and 2's "stand still to defend".

Jury is still out, but I'm enjoying it so far. But again, I'm not sure that $60 for this was a fair price I've only been at it a little while and I'm already at the Key shrine and I've only ever played this once before, but in the end it's Zelda and I have have to have it.
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Post by: paprikastaude on October 08, 2019, 01:45:33 PM
They could do Oracle remakes, but LttP is perfectly playable and looks good, plus it certainly doesn't need some dumb toy look. They better also don't touch Minish Cap with any of that 2,5D crap, because that game has some GOAT spritework.
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Post by: Nintex on October 14, 2019, 03:50:55 PM
All seashells
All heart pieces
All items
All figurines

No more Marin - goodnight bae  :tocry

This is a perfect remake, one big beautiful nostalgia trip  :lawd
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 14, 2019, 05:27:51 PM
Im not crying you're crying
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Post by: EchoRin on October 15, 2019, 01:53:29 AM
Link's Awakening switch. Dungeon 7. Yes I know. Destroy the pillars. Durr hurr. I've pretty much stopped playing the game cause while I have destroyed 2 I can't figure out the next two and my last 3 plays have amounted to nothing but wasted time. I even have the master key and one other normal key
 :stop

I'm done bashing my head against the wall. Gonna look up a walkthrough next time I play.

Edit:
Watched the bit with the pillars to get a general idea (as in I watched a vid, but wasn't playing side by side) and I see that the pillars are more or less done consecutively. The way I have been going through the dungeon was more or less fumbling around and seeing what is what to the point where I think I have done all I can before whatever I am to do next after I knock down these next two pillars. However, with the dungeon being so big and also having those blue and orange switches, made me overthink it to the point of getting all tangled up in ideas, which lead me to several failed attempts to move on. I'll probably have to watch the vid when I'm playing anyways cause at this point I'm not sure if it will be clear to me even when I go back and start making my through with the black sphere  :lol

It's the only dungeon where I hit a dead end in terms of trying to progress (though there was an earlier dungeon where I had to look up how to get one chest cause I had a brain fart where needed to break a wall and I just wasn't able to locate the wall which was not visible, but you could hear it by taping your sword on it and the floor panels were making an arrow sign point towards it, which went over my head).
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Post by: tiesto on October 17, 2019, 12:08:50 PM
All seashells
All heart pieces
All items
All figurines

No more Marin - goodnight bae  :tocry

This is a perfect remake, one big beautiful nostalgia trip  :lawd

When you say "figurines", what do you mean? I just made it to dungeon 7 and haven't seen anything, aside for a stand for a koopa troopa or something at Marin and Tarin's house.. which I thought was some amiibo bullshit...
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Post by: EchoRin on October 17, 2019, 02:15:04 PM
You find them at the claw game in the village. By now you can probably have more than half of them. I'm exactly where you are in the game.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 17, 2019, 03:17:42 PM
I just started a new playthrough of OoT.  First time since 2014  :-[
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Post by: Nintex on October 17, 2019, 05:49:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo42Hshk2og

 :heart


I listened to this live in London before Skyward Sword came out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THdRs7grqhE

Then Koji Kondo came on stage to play Grandma's theme   :lawd

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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 18, 2019, 11:31:01 AM
Ugh, the Eagle's tower. I know where the other two pillars are but am having a hard time getting the ball there.
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Post by: Nintex on October 18, 2019, 02:06:55 PM
The Eagle Tower should replace IQ tests.

I nailed it without a guide  8)
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Post by: Nintex on October 20, 2019, 06:36:21 AM
Played some BOTW yesterday to continue my second playthrough.

Hadn't played it in a while so it took some time to get used to the controls again.

This game is sooooo good  :lawd

playing more today
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Post by: tiesto on October 20, 2019, 11:04:24 PM
Finishing up Dampe's dungeons now, then finding the remainder of the secret seashells. Quick question - there's one Dampe dungeon where at the end, the nightmare room just has a bunch of green slimes falling from the sky. What am I supposed to do here?
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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 21, 2019, 01:20:33 PM
Finished Link's Awakening. That was a fun romp. I agree that the last two dungeons could be used as IQ tests. No guide of either, but they made me stop and think more than any dungeons I've faced so far.  Now onto Majora's Mask. I knew this was one of my favorites (hell, I have a tattoo of Majora's Mask for crying out loud) but I had forgotten just how much I love it. I'm doing an all mask run. I'm now at the goron city. So I'm making quick progress. Although, I do have to say I'm not a fan of the dungeons in MM.

After this I don't really know if I want to tackle what I call "The filler trilogy" of Wind Waker, Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword.  WW is a bit better on the Wii U. I don't know about Twilight Princess being any better on the Wii U. And Skyward Sword? Ugh.

So far completed:
 - BotW
- Loz1
- Loz2
- LTTP
- OoT
- Link's Awakening
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Tuckers Law on October 21, 2019, 01:57:58 PM
Mix in the other gameboy Zeldas (minish cap & oracle of ages/seasons) between the “filler” zeldas to help.
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Nintex on October 21, 2019, 02:14:09 PM
The Wind Waker and Twilight Princess are great. Definitely play them in HD on the Wii U.
The Wind Waker sorta tried to do what they did with BOTW. Offer an open map with small challenges on the various islands.
The game design was a bit too ambitious for the GameCube but I always found it a very fun and charming game.
It's just always 1 step short of greatness.

Twilight Princess is the course correction following TWW, it's basically OOT on steroids and has many memorable moments. You just got to get passed the rather slow introduction.
For the type of game they were going for it's a bit too easy though but it has the most dungeons of any Zelda and most of those dungeons are great.

Skyward Sword is perhaps the most linear Zelda and it feels that way because there's no seamless map but different area's you can visit.
It focuses heavily on the motion controls, which are impressive but at times it feels like they spend more time getting the motion mechanics right than on the actual challenges.

All three games have their strengths and weaknesses, for me it's TP > TWW >>> SS
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Tuckers Law on October 21, 2019, 02:19:02 PM
Flip WW and TP and your opinion is identical to mine.
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: team filler on October 21, 2019, 04:39:55 PM
the fillergy  :rejoice
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 22, 2019, 01:11:33 PM
Oh and one more thing about link's awakening. I had said that I didn't know if it warranted the $60 price tag. And yep, it doesn't. $30 would've been ideal. But again, it's Zelda so I HAVE to have it.
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: team filler on October 24, 2019, 02:02:45 AM
skyward sword is the greatest game in gaming history. big N could have charged double when it came out and it would still be underpriced!
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Nintex on October 26, 2019, 12:18:23 PM
Played some more BOTW.

When I played it on Wii U it seemed easier, because the framerate would tank in most fights so you could easily dodge enemies well in advance.
On Switch or maybe because of a few patches(?) enemies seem way more aggressive. Made it significantly harder on myself to do the Rito/Hebra beast first instead of going the default Zora route.
I really have to rely on dishes and elixers to deal with the climate conditions which makes the quest all the more epic.

With this game I really have to limit my play time because I otherwise I just wind up playing forever.
"I should play for 3 hours or so".
*checks time*
"Another 15 minutes, I should be able to get to that tower easily"
*checks time again*
"Fuck, 2 more hours have passed"

Pretty amazing how this second play through on Switch is so different from my first on Wii U that outside of a few landmark spots, quests and puzzles I can't really play it from memory like other Zelda's even though I sunk about 180 hours in my first run.
 :lawd
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Chooky on October 26, 2019, 01:07:21 PM
lol i had to take the cartridge out and put it away somewhere because every time i'd try to play something new on switch i'd end up going back to botw after a short while. game is just endlessly addicting.
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 28, 2019, 01:32:10 PM
In Majora's Mask at the water temple. Just got the boss to finish at this point. But so far I can't think of a water level outside of the Great Cistern that I actually enjoy in Zelda. The LttP one seems the least offensive so far.
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: paprikastaude on October 28, 2019, 01:53:35 PM
It's a much shittier level if you play MM on 3DS.
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Svejk on October 28, 2019, 02:09:39 PM
My son is attempting to play through MM right now.  He's playing the GC Collector's Edition version.  I never played through MM myself, so it's all new to me for the most part.  So far, even watching my son enjoy it atm, ...I still don't get the appeal of it.   :doge  I'm really trying to be open minded to it now, but it still doesn't resonate with me.
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: paprikastaude on October 28, 2019, 02:30:27 PM
 :camby
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 28, 2019, 02:56:10 PM
My son is attempting to play through MM right now.  He's playing the GC Collector's Edition version.  I never played through MM myself, so it's all new to me for the most part.  So far, even watching my son enjoy it atm, ...I still don't get the appeal of it.   :doge  I'm really trying to be open minded to it now, but it still doesn't resonate with me.

Majora's Mask is a lot like metroid I find. You need to give yourself to the atmosphere and let yourself get lost in it.
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Nintex on October 28, 2019, 03:37:02 PM
Majora's Mask is one of the more intriguing Zelda's along with BOTW and Link's Awakening.
A lot of lore and world building hidden in that game.
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Chooky on October 28, 2019, 03:46:05 PM
majora's mask on gamecube is great because it randomly freezes and causes you to lose like three hours of progress
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Svejk on October 28, 2019, 04:36:19 PM
majora's mask on gamecube is great because it randomly freezes and causes you to lose like three hours of progress
He's playing it using dios mios on the Wii, so it should be doubly glitchy.   ::) Already was having controller connection issues yesterday.  (Found out it was the shitty extension cable we were using).  He's farther than I ever got, so I may slowly come around seeing new stuff. 
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Nintex on October 28, 2019, 05:58:46 PM
majora's mask on gamecube is great because it randomly freezes and causes you to lose like three hours of progress
The audio glitches just add just that bit more immersion.
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: EchoRin on October 31, 2019, 06:15:20 PM
Got back to Link's Awakening Switch.  Finished off Dungeon 7. I was struggling with the second half of the pillars. Don't think I would have actually gotten the 4th one on my own. After that though I was curious where oh where I would get the boomerang I saw the person using in their video guide. Yo! HOW IN THE WORLD AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW TO GO BACK TO A HOUSE IN THE ANIMAL VILLAGE WHERE NOW I CAN SEE SOME SEA GIRL SITTING AT HOME THANKS TO MY MAGNIFYING GLASS!?!?  :gddr5 . She is the one that actually gives you the hint as to where to travel next. The actual boomerang is elsewhere and you could stumble upon it by complete accident if you were just toiling around that area (I'm not gonna say where. Again, at this point in the game you have no business being in that area though). But at no time are you given any incentive to go visit this sea lady's house.

I literally had no reason whatsoever to go back to the Animal village at all. Like it's one thing to be curious and look around, but it's another to have to go back to an area where you have no business for the longest time already and nothing that would make you want to return. Boooooo! Boooooo!

I also just learned that various sea shells are not obtained by digging. :beli . For example right between the animal village and the dessert to the east. Wat? Play Marin's song on your ocarina? Why yes how logical. No. It's not.

I appreciate the game not being hand holdy in terms of where you must go and where to next. You get no marker or anything blatant. But there are small crumbs here and there. Like the telephone stations. These obtuse sea shells though? I mean how are you supposed to deduce those? The boomerang too.

Despite all that whining I am actually having fun and I'm on my way to dungeon 8. Just happened to do a little cool tidbit in the north on my way there. I'm sure those who have played it know what I mean.
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Chooky on October 31, 2019, 10:20:48 PM
everyone loves to complain about too many markers on the map screens til they remember how gaming was before 2010
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: paprikastaude on November 01, 2019, 07:20:47 AM
everyone loves to complain about too many markers on the map screens til they remember how gaming was before 2010

no
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Nintex on November 01, 2019, 07:57:08 PM
Got back to Link's Awakening Switch.  Finished off Dungeon 7. I was struggling with the second half of the pillars. Don't think I would have actually gotten the 4th one on my own. After that though I was curious where oh where I would get the boomerang I saw the person using in their video guide. Yo! HOW IN THE WORLD AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW TO GO BACK TO A HOUSE IN THE ANIMAL VILLAGE WHERE NOW I CAN SEE SOME SEA GIRL SITTING AT HOME THANKS TO MY MAGNIFYING GLASS!?!?  :gddr5 . She is the one that actually gives you the hint as to where to travel next. The actual boomerang is elsewhere and you could stumble upon it by complete accident if you were just toiling around that area (I'm not gonna say where. Again, at this point in the game you have no business being in that area though). But at no time are you given any incentive to go visit this sea lady's house.

I literally had no reason whatsoever to go back to the Animal village at all. Like it's one thing to be curious and look around, but it's another to have to go back to an area where you have no business for the longest time already and nothing that would make you want to return. Boooooo! Boooooo!

I also just learned that various sea shells are not obtained by digging. :beli . For example right between the animal village and the dessert to the east. Wat? Play Marin's song on your ocarina? Why yes how logical. No. It's not.

I appreciate the game not being hand holdy in terms of where you must go and where to next. You get no marker or anything blatant. But there are small crumbs here and there. Like the telephone stations. These obtuse sea shells though? I mean how are you supposed to deduce those? The boomerang too.

Despite all that whining I am actually having fun and I'm on my way to dungeon 8. Just happened to do a little cool tidbit in the north on my way there. I'm sure those who have played it know what I mean.
There's hints for everything. Small hints but hints. With other stuff you just have to get lucky that you happen to revisit an area or two.
It didn't bother me much because the game has such a small scale. Plus when you get the seashell sensor you know where it is, just not always what to do.
So you do what any 8 year old with a Gameboy would do, try out every item.

I only found myself lost when I forgot it was a Gameboy game and thought too complicated. Once you see through the new layer of paint and think of it as a Gameboy game it is easier to spot the markers and secrets.
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Chooky on November 01, 2019, 08:35:12 PM
everyone loves to complain about too many markers on the map screens til they remember how gaming was before 2010

no

"remember how fun it was to be able to get LOST in a game? man i miss that" - some asshole that used gamefaqs and would call devs stupid when the solution wasn't immediately apparent
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Tuckers Law on November 01, 2019, 09:04:59 PM
everyone loves to complain about too many markers on the map screens til they remember how gaming was before 2010

no

"remember how fun it was to be able to get LOST in a game? man i miss that" - some asshole that used gamefaqs and would call devs stupid when the solution wasn't immediately apparent

 :hmm
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Nintex on November 02, 2019, 06:13:33 AM
At least we now have evidence of the decline of human intelligence
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Chooky on November 02, 2019, 09:14:55 AM
your posting history?
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: paprikastaude on November 02, 2019, 12:39:32 PM
everyone loves to complain about too many markers on the map screens til they remember how gaming was before 2010

no

"remember how fun it was to be able to get LOST in a game? man i miss that" - some asshole that used gamefaqs and would call devs stupid when the solution wasn't immediately apparent

:confused
Maybe if you're 10, entirely new to a genre, or just braindead.
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Rufus on November 02, 2019, 01:27:24 PM
Or take a long enough break from the game, or overlook an obscure hint, or simply forget just because. :yeshrug
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: paprikastaude on November 02, 2019, 01:38:20 PM
which can be solved by recaps or logs and not making the overall game crappier through magic gps for idiots
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: team filler on November 02, 2019, 01:40:29 PM
skyward sword is the pinnacle of earthly existence. billions of years of evolution have led us to this point, let us bask in the accomplishment  :rejoice
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Rufus on November 02, 2019, 01:42:25 PM
which can be solved by recaps or logs and not making the overall game crappier through magic gps for idiots
True. So why don't we see them. :shaq2
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: EchoRin on November 02, 2019, 03:47:16 PM
At least we now have evidence of the decline of human intelligence
I may be a dullard, but



So you do what any 8 year old with a Gameboy would do, try out every item.

I mean that isn't a good excuse  :lol Brute forcing the issue.


I only found myself lost when I forgot it was a Gameboy game and thought too complicated. Once you see through the new layer of paint and think of it as a Gameboy game it is easier to spot the markers and secrets.
I agree with that. Which sort of has thrown me off a little bit when it comes to "physics stuff" like tossing the black sphere around over gaps and shit like that. I think to myself "this seems too modern", but it's not.
And the funny thing is that I have used the ocarina at random times when I have been stuck just to see if it does anything. But no I don't recall any hint about using the ocarina one time only to find that secret shell. And while I understand you can toss bombs into holes to find shell, I thought they were originally for me to fall into at some point (this is midway through the game. The reason being that in the Animal Village there is a well that is boarded up. I thought "hey I've seen these other wells have open holes. Let me blow up the wooden planks blocking them." aaaaand nothing. So then in turn I never tried to throw bombs into the holes. There was no gameplay moment that nudges you to potentially do that. This isn't a deal breaker. There just isn't anything that would sort of hint at that. And with my failure in the Animal Village I didn't even think of attempting throwing bombs down holes. Besides, some of those holes actually give you nothing at all, so once it again it would potentially discourage you from trying it for a hole that does contain a shell.

which can be solved by recaps or logs and not making the overall game crappier through magic gps for idiots
True. So why don't we see them. :shaq2

Hold up hold up. I never did say anything about GPS markers given automatically to you AssCreed style. In fact I praised how great the game leads you to your next main goal. The owl and the phone stations. That's good.

By the way Rufus, there actually is a recap/log. You have to go to the start menu and go to your map. There should be a button for "memories". You click on the button and it brings up the owl convos and past dungeons via the instrument you got from there. And some other locations like the love girl house and that cowardly prince or whatever house too for example.


Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Rufus on November 02, 2019, 06:54:28 PM
By the way Rufus, there actually is a recap/log. You have to go to the start menu and go to your map. There should be a button for "memories". You click on the button and it brings up the owl convos and past dungeons via the instrument you got from there. And some other locations like the love girl house and that cowardly prince or whatever house too for example.
Oh, I meant that more in general. Most games, even modern follow-the-marker games not made to be played any other way don't have a recap.
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: EchoRin on November 08, 2019, 04:56:42 PM
It is done (2 days ago)

https://youtu.be/nVqhCN8Tdik

Nintex, I'm happy to report that I was smart enough to complete the 8th dungeon and final boss without any help.  :smug

though the final boss took me 3 tries. It is after all a trial and error type of boss. Had just two hearts left for the final phase when I finally figured out what hurts it.

One thing I would like to do is go back and collect all the statues. I thought I actually did, but there is still the bow wow statue spot in the bow wow lady's house. hmm? The last one I got from the claw game was the big cactus or something like that. I concluded the game with 40 seashells. When I first got killed by the final boss I decided to actually go back to the seashell house and see what else it would give since I went there last. Of course it was a sword upgrade. Lol. Perfect timing. Not much use at this point since the power of that upgrade is actually stripped away from you during the final fight anyway.

I uploaded the final track from the game cause I love the Marin bit. I don't really think too much of the story here, but hey it still hit right in the feels. I didn't want to awaken the wind fish knowing what would happen. But I guess it's implied Link can always find the island in his dreams again. ooof. sad anyways. Great Zelda adventure. Next for me in this series will be A Link to the Past.

EDIT: what wat wat wat. A Color Dungeon? Where? How did I not come across it? Clearly optional, but I'll get back and finish that up along with the statues.
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Nintex on November 08, 2019, 05:39:09 PM
Congrats, such a lovely game.

When the credits music goes 8 bit  :lawd :aah :tocry
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Sho Nuff on November 10, 2019, 08:51:46 AM
Okay, I just finished Link's Awakening, boy that sure was a Game Boy game wasn't it, I don't think I need to play any more of these for a while tbh
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on November 10, 2019, 09:13:37 PM
Completed Majora's Mask. Taking a bit of a break to think if I want to take on the "Filler trilogy"

Majora's mask is magical, but my god to experience this when I had time to put all the puzzle pieces of the NPC's lives together bit by bit. Now I lack the patience and was just googling "When is x person at y place" or whatever.

completed:
- BotW
- Loz1
- LoZ2
- LttP
- Links awakening
- OoT
- Majora's Mask
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Chooky on November 11, 2019, 07:10:36 AM
- BotW
- Loz1
- LoZ2
- LttP
- Links awakening
- OoT
- Majora's Mask

congratulations on completing every zelda game worth playing
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Tasty on November 11, 2019, 11:22:45 AM
Wind Waker and Twilight Princess are fantastic.

Skyward Sword is pretty middling, with some bright spots.
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: team filler on November 11, 2019, 01:37:43 PM
the true fillergy would be skyward sword(goat), majora's mask, and Link's Awakening reboot  ;)
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: paprikastaude on November 11, 2019, 03:33:41 PM
:heartbeat Twilight Princess  :heartbeat Minish Cap :heartbeat

Everything after :larry :idont

Wind Waker  :holeup
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Tasty on November 11, 2019, 04:29:29 PM
Wind Waker dungeons :holeup

Wind Waker exploration :ohyeah

Twilight Princess exploration :holeup

Twilight Princess dungeons :ohyeah

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Skyward Sword everything :holeup

...except that one dungeon :larry
[close]
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: team filler on November 11, 2019, 04:44:36 PM
skyward sword da goat  :pimp
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: paprikastaude on November 11, 2019, 07:41:02 PM
Wind Waker exploration :ohyeah

No. Any sense of discovery goes away after an hour, once you realize that there's nothing but one worthless rock per square on the map, with an empty blue line inbetween. At least TP embraces its linearity and has a bunch of cool missions between dungeons.
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: EchoRin on November 11, 2019, 08:35:02 PM
Also, the one thing that really bummed me out in Wind Waker was how little the pirate stuff is actually in the game. Seeing how you had the DS game and general fandom of the girl pirate I was really looking forward to that when playing WW HD. And then

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Hey you, main pirate girl. You are actually Zelda. Now shut up and sit down while not moving an inch. What? That pretty much killed anything interesting going forward with her and the pirates too. Sure, Zelda helps you with the final boss (freakin awesome headshot bro), but I was shocked how the whole pirate stuff played out. Or rather, the lack thereof
[close]
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: paprikastaude on November 11, 2019, 08:47:55 PM
Also, the one thing that really bummed me out in Wind Waker was how little the pirate stuff is actually in the game. Seeing how you had the DS game and general fandom of the girl pirate I was really looking forward to that when playing WW HD. And then

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Hey you, main pirate girl. You are actually Zelda. Now shut up and sit down while not moving an inch. What? That pretty much killed anything interesting going forward with her and the pirates too. Sure, Zelda helps you with the final boss (freakin awesome headshot bro), but I was shocked how the whole pirate stuff played out. Or rather, the lack thereof
[close]

Sea game. Doesn't even have basics like fishing from prior games :brain
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: EchoRin on November 11, 2019, 08:54:34 PM
Also, the one thing that really bummed me out in Wind Waker was how little the pirate stuff is actually in the game. Seeing how you had the DS game and general fandom of the girl pirate I was really looking forward to that when playing WW HD. And then

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Hey you, main pirate girl. You are actually Zelda. Now shut up and sit down while not moving an inch. What? That pretty much killed anything interesting going forward with her and the pirates too. Sure, Zelda helps you with the final boss (freakin awesome headshot bro), but I was shocked how the whole pirate stuff played out. Or rather, the lack thereof
[close]

Sea game. Doesn't even have basics like fishing from prior games :brain

Only having one big town  :-\. Not counting your home town. I enjoyed the hell out of that main town you visit at some point. And then... that's it. No other big town
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Svejk on November 11, 2019, 10:19:51 PM
BOTW exploration  :ohyeah

BOTW dungeons shrines   :holeup
Title: Re: Let's play the Zelda series!
Post by: Tasty on November 12, 2019, 10:26:59 AM
BOTW exploration  :ohyeah

BOTW dungeons shrines   :holeup

:lol

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