THE BORE
General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: PogiJones on November 05, 2019, 02:15:28 AM
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This is my long-promised (as of 5 minutes ago) boring thread.
It seems pretty obvious numbers are real; after all, if I have an apple, and you give me another apple, I now have two apples, right?
Well, hang on; not so fast. The above thinking was exactly how I felt about it until like a day ago when I decided to argue the other side for fun.
The only way you have "2 apples" is if they are both "an apple." But what makes it an apple? Are they exactly the same? No; they've got enough things in common, though, for our brains to be satisfied thinking of them as the same thing, and therefore saying there are now 2 of the same thing.
In short, I'm now leaning toward numbers arising from categorization, rather than being something fundamental. There are no two completely identical things in the universe. Even electrons, which are so "the same" to our brains that we think of them as identical, are different from each other in terms of location and time and energy. There is no fundamental "2," because there is no completely 100% identical pair of anything. Just close enough for our brains to say, "Okay, that's the same."
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I’d prefer the bore to shutdown forever than to have to suffer through pogi threads tbh
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What if, like, the colour that I see as Red, you see as, like, Green?
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Look at big brained Euler here with his .99999~ = 1 proof.
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I’d prefer the bore to shutdown forever than to have to suffer through pogi threads tbh
Blame agra, he's the one that shamed me out of staying in the RE thread
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What if, like, the colour that I see as Red, you see as, like, Green?
If this question is so cliche and elementary, then answer it. :hmph
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Numbers are a concept used to quantify reality in a way that makes it accessible to the human brain.
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Wiki mathematical platonism
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baby's first weed
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Electrons are the same btw
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Actually, didn't something like this underlie why The Church refused to allow arabic numerials and related systems?
Remember to blame Pogi if they take Excel from my cold dead hands.
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Obviously everything is down to categorisation cause thats how we make sense of the universe.
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Some of them, yes. Look up imaginary numbers, sweetheart.
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Hahahahahahahaha How The Fuck Are Numbers Real Real Hahahaha Pogi Just Walk Away From The Calculator Like Pogi Close Your Eyes Haha
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504 Bag Gateway sure did seem real.
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baby's first weed
Joke's on you, I'm still at weed 0, now what do you have to say for yourself
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I’d prefer the bore to shutdown forever than to have to suffer through pogi threads tbh
Blame agra, he's the one that shamed me out of staying in the RE thread
Yeah, but you could... you know... make good posts like showing hog. :goty2
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Ok, but non-shitpost realzies:
This is my long-promised (as of 5 minutes ago) boring thread.
It seems pretty obvious numbers are real; after all, if I have an apple, and you give me another apple, I now have two apples, right?
Well, hang on; not so fast. The above thinking was exactly how I felt about it until like a day ago when I decided to argue the other side for fun.
The only way you have "2 apples" is if they are both "an apple." But what makes it an apple? Are they exactly the same? No; they've got enough things in common, though, for our brains to be satisfied thinking of them as the same thing, and therefore saying there are now 2 of the same thing.
In short, I'm now leaning toward numbers arising from categorization, rather than being something fundamental. There are no two completely identical things in the universe. Even electrons, which are so "the same" to our brains that we think of them as identical, are different from each other in terms of location and time and energy. There is no fundamental "2," because there is no completely 100% identical pair of anything. Just close enough for our brains to say, "Okay, that's the same."
Flipside: What makes categorization more important than the numbers?
To use your example, we gain 2 "Apples." Who's to say you've given me an "apple?" For all we know, you could've given me an orange instead of an apple that just happens to be red and round.
Numbers don't even come into the equation (hah) when you are doing philosoraptor.jpg'ing. So, this thread kinda stops before it begins when you think of it like that.
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certified autistic that's our Pogi!
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If I slap your face 3 times they won't have the same energy and you won't feel the same, but I'm sure they will feel very real
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It's just a friggin apple, man, you don't have to think so hard about it just eat 'em.
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Of course numbers are “real,” math is what the simulation runs on
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:rollsafe the thread
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Wine dark sea etc
Wavelengths exist, color is concept
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This poor imitation makes me miss recursivelynumerable.
It's like when mom made me eat store brand spaghetti-o's.
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Numbers are language; is language real?
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That depends on what the definition of "is" is.
Seriously though. Numbers are real in the sense that we use them and when used correctly provide an accurate explanation for real phenomenon. Think of distance or mass. A centimeter is identical to other centimeters. a gram is identical to other grams. We can count those and can accurately explain distance and mass using those concepts in conjunction with numbers.
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Do you think you are real?
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https://twitter.com/terrencehoward/status/925754491881877507
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(https://i.redd.it/x089r1qrlia21.jpg)
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This poor imitation makes me miss recursivelynumerable.
It's like when mom made me eat store brand spaghetti-o's.
Is this like a white mans version of Eddie Murphy's mom made me home made burgers?
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https://twitter.com/terrencehoward/status/925754491881877507
:notlikethis
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Now now., guys: Pogi's trying, ease off him a little.
If you must torpedo him: At least tell him to post hog to me. TYIA</Kara>.
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if an apple falls from the tree and there is no Pogi to write a carepost about it..m
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baby's first weed
Joke's on you, I'm still at weed 0, now what do you have to say for yourself
Smoke some weed
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smoke some weed to counteract whatever distinguished mentally-challenged you are currently going through
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He's a paralegal though... :thinking
Unless he doesn't have a law degree, and is able to find the next American Princess in which case... :thinking (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suits_(American_TV_series))
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Paralegal?
Not even a real lawyer?
Don't talk to me ever again Pogi. :hhh
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He lost his ability to legal in an automobile accident.
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Note: I have no clue if he is a paralegal. I was just making a Suits joke about avoiding weed. :doge
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God damn I’m here for Joe jokes all FOOKEN day
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Note: I have no clue if he is a paralegal. I was just making a Suits joke about avoiding weed. :doge
These are the kinds of posts I appreciate as an autist because I for sure was adding paralegal to my Pogi head cannon because I don’t know her.gif
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What if cars drove YOU?
And, also, you wore socks on your HANDS?
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Lol, y'all think I'm making up a dumb philosophical question, when in
reality it's an extensive philosophical debate. A boring one to most, sure, but it's not a Jaden Smith :brain tweet.
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/nominalism-mathematics/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EGDCh75SpQ
My unique(?) contribution is the argument that numbers rely on categorization to have any meaning, and categorization is just a human construct of estimation, an extremely useful tool that is by no means fundamental to the universe.
I'm not sure i fully buy my own argument, but it's made me at least reconsider my previous "Of course they're real as descriptors" position.
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We know it is.
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Next week Pogi discovers: solipsism.
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This is my long-promised (as of 5 minutes ago) boring thread.
It seems pretty obvious numbers are real; after all, if I have an apple, and you give me another apple, I now have two apples, right?
Well, hang on; not so fast. The above thinking was exactly how I felt about it until like a day ago when I decided to argue the other side for fun.
The only way you have "2 apples" is if they are both "an apple." But what makes it an apple? Are they exactly the same? No; they've got enough things in common, though, for our brains to be satisfied thinking of them as the same thing, and therefore saying there are now 2 of the same thing.
In short, I'm now leaning toward numbers arising from categorization, rather than being something fundamental. There are no two completely identical things in the universe. Even electrons, which are so "the same" to our brains that we think of them as identical, are different from each other in terms of location and time and energy. There is no fundamental "2," because there is no completely 100% identical pair of anything. Just close enough for our brains to say, "Okay, that's the same."
(https://i.imgur.com/uJ077IC.gif)
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Numbers are bullshit and just more proof that we live in a simulation.
We have different languages, different cultures, different everything. But somehow the same numbers.
This was programmed in folks.
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Just because white people couldn't do it
Doesn't mean it's a simulation
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Nintex is proof we live in a simulation because no one could possibly be this dumb
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i went on a kojima level ontological daydream today about objective reality when someone trotted out the classic "don't worry about what other people think" line. i hate it (not that you should, it's just such a boring cliche). sure, people don't matter to you if you don't acknowledge them, but also, their perception (everyone's perception) is the only thing that gives anything meaning and rewards us. "im doing it for me" is bs. you're doing it for yourself and other people. objective reality outside of natural science is a collection subjective observations.
these thoughts also made me think i should read more :doge
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Numbers are bullshit and just more proof that we live in a simulation.
We have different languages, different cultures, different everything. But somehow the same numbers.
This was programmed in folks.
:picard
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Pogi just post hog already. :doge
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Numbers don't make much sense in some cases.
Take birthday's for example. When you celebrate your 20th birthday you have actually lived for 21 years.
When you are born, that is your first year of existence, year 1. Not year 0.
Everyone is actually one year older.
There's more shady stuff going on with numbers.
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Pogi just post hog already. :doge
you collecting them now or something?
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Numbers don't make much sense in some cases.
Take birthday's for example. When you celebrate your 20th birthday you have actually lived for 21 years.
When you are born, that is your first year of existence, year 1. Not year 0.
Everyone is actually one year older.
There's more shady stuff going on with numbers.
that isn't an issue with numbers you windmill licker
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According to the girl I'm seeing there are certain philosophers of math who would say that no, numbers are not real.
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baby's first weed
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Pogi, you’re a sweetheart, but this is even less interesting than most of the content here.
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Pogi just post hog already. :doge
you collecting them now or something?
They're my Pokemon game, yes. :hmph
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Take birthday's for example. When you celebrate your 20th birthday you have actually lived for 21 years.
That's not how birthdays work.
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Besides which, only computers count by 0. :wag :wag :wag
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Take birthday's for example. When you celebrate your 20th birthday you have actually lived for 21 years.
That's not how birthdays work.
I guess he's counting the time in the womb, which is not quite a year nevertheless. Point being, Nintex is stupid.
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Besides which, only computers count by 0. :wag :wag :wag
index++;
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baby's first weed
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Pogi, you’re a sweetheart, but this is even less interesting than most of the content here.
What else are we supposed to do in this mod dictatorship?
Fake Belgian passports? Banned!
Rahx posting new homemade porn? Banned!
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lmao remember when pogi made a thread asking if numbers were real :neogaf
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Wine dark sea etc
Wavelengths exist, color is concept
Well, it is all conceptual isn't it, because ultimately everything is an interpretation from the brain. And yeah it is kind of weird when thinking of colour as a wavelength in the electromagnetic spectrum. Each colour has its own frequency. It is also obvious when you think about it that colour or visible light in general, requires an eye to see it. It reminds me of an Alan Watts quote that is kind of obvious when you think about but also profound: "The source of all light is in the eye". Because if there are no eyes in the world the sun would not be light. Without eyes it is impossible to conceptualise light. It requires by necessity not only organs to see it, but also a brain to interpret that information. And the interpretation part is important because as you hinted at, is it light or is it just a wave? is it frequency? What makes it light is partly to do with how the brain interprets photons hitting the retina. And that also reminds me of this question: What is behind the eyes? what is behind the eyes is what is in front of you.
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Rahx posting new homemade porn? Banned!
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Rah did what?
Snuff film or actual porn? Because if it's a snuff film, that's my fault. If it's homemade porn to try "to own the TIMU" well... whatever.
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Rahx posting new homemade porn? Banned!
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Rah did what?
Snuff film or actual porn? Because if it's a snuff film, that's my fault. If it's homemade porn to try "to own the TIMU" well... whatever.
he posted hog for you and you didn't even see it ::)
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Rahx posting new homemade porn? Banned!
:-\
Rah did what?
Snuff film or actual porn? Because if it's a snuff film, that's my fault. If it's homemade porn to try "to own the TIMU" well... whatever.
he posted hog for you and you didn't even see it ::)
Well damn, hopefully Andy-kun saw it because Andy-kun is the one that found him attractive despite being a total fucking Adachi toward women, so while posting hog to me is fine it's not Pogi (or Esch)'s so I couldn't really care. :doge
Stupid fuck seriously didn't read "I don't read his posts anymore because they aren't worth a damn," leave the thread to do other shit and he posts hog. :whew That is some spicy lack of reading comprehension.
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that was his parting shot, he left the forum for good
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Actually another thing about colour. Something people are aware of but don't really think about. Your TV is made up of red, green and blue pixels. And from that light you get all the colours. It is just a combination of those colours lighting up at different intensities. And from it you get all the colours. And if all those colours are lit up at the same time at full intensity you get white.
Of course you accept it as just being the way it is without much thought, but it is weird when you think about it for a second. Red, green and blue light at the same time gives you white. hmmm.
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You mean his money shot. :wag :wag :wag
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Wine dark sea etc
Wavelengths exist, color is concept
Well, it is all conceptual isn't it, because ultimately everything is an interpretation from the brain.
Ultimately ultimately (actually ultimately; super ultimately, even), physical reality, and with it photons, exist independent of human brains. [/pointdexter]
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Well damn, hopefully Andy-kun saw it because Andy-kun is the one that found him attractive despite being a total fucking Adachi toward women, so while posting hog to me is fine it's not Pogi (or Esch)'s so I couldn't really care. :doge
:confused Lol I didn't see it and I couldn't care less. My comments on Rahx's attractiveness were directed in a platonic, objective manner.
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Also the fuck is an Adachi
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Is this where the animosity comes from? Rahx is better looking? :hitler
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Also the fuck is an Adachi
https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/Tohru_Adachi
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Wine dark sea etc
Wavelengths exist, color is concept
Well, it is all conceptual isn't it, because ultimately everything is an interpretation from the brain.
Ultimately ultimately (actually ultimately; super ultimately, even), physical reality, and with it photons, exist independent of human brains. [/pointdexter]
What makes it light though?
And from an eastern philosophical perspective (not sayingit is true) there is no denial that something exists. I mean you can say that all we are seeing is the inside of our own head, but at the same time, our own head exists within something. Yet, there is truth in that reality is created by the mind. Or another way of putting it, is an interpretation of the mind, and evidently it is... so... what? Well, perhaps it is all one mechanism. In other words maybe it is not necessarily an interaction between the external and internal worlds, but rather a transaction. You can't have one without the other. You can't have a seller without a buyer, you can't have a buyer without a seller. In other words the idea in more eastern philosopy is that the external world and the internal (you) are intrinsically connected. It is all one process.
And regardless of that which is just one way of looking at it, that is either true or not, the point being being made isn't that something doesn't exist, it is that our perception of what exists is in many ways conceptual. As was pointed out, light is also a wavelength. What makes it 'light' is conceptual. It is photons hitting the back of the eye the retina, that in turn being converted into electrical signals, and the brain interpreting those signals as light.
Same with sound. Sound is just vibrational waves hitting your ear drum. What's more it is not directly those vibrational waves your brain is interpreting, it is the vibration of your ear drum, which is in turn converted to electrical signals and interpreted by the brain as sound. And I have thought actually, that perhaps there is no real reason why the brain couldn't interpret it a different way. Like visualisations on your computer when you play music. You get a visual pattern. What if the brain interpreted 'sound' as visual patterns? Then sound would be purely visual. The whole notion of sound would be completely inconceivable. And thus explained quite clearly that sound is jut a concept.
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Also the fuck is an Adachi
Get out of your Googendo bubble, bb. (https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/bitches-and-whores)
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/025/834/1242275415115.jpg)
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Wine dark sea etc
Wavelengths exist, color is concept
Well, it is all conceptual isn't it, because ultimately everything is an interpretation from the brain.
Ultimately ultimately (actually ultimately; super ultimately, even), physical reality, and with it photons, exist independent of human brains. [/pointdexter]
What makes it light though?
The human concept of 'light' and photons are closely tied, and the distinctions between the two are not really that profound (I have enjoyed words come out of Alan Watts mouth, so the appeal isn't lost on me). Which is to say, please don't write long posts in response to 0-effort shitposting. :-\
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:dunno I don't understand.
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:dunno I don't understand.
Another way to call him a woman-hating incel.
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far out, man
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Wine dark sea etc
Wavelengths exist, color is concept
Well, it is all conceptual isn't it, because ultimately everything is an interpretation from the brain.
Ultimately ultimately (actually ultimately; super ultimately, even), physical reality, and with it photons, exist independent of human brains. [/pointdexter]
What makes it light though?
The human concept of 'light' and photons are closely tied, and the distinctions between the two are not really that profound (I have enjoyed words come out of Alan Watts mouth, so the appeal isn't lost on me). Which is to say, please don't write long posts in response to 0-effort shitposting. :-\
Okay. And the Alan Watts quote was an example of a point being made. Not entirely the basis of the argument.
And I would say it could be seen as profound exactly because they are tied. In the sense that you can't have one without the other. And some people might see that as profound. Light needs an observer.
And you obviously do not. Which is fine also.
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Spare some time to learn about banter next time you find yourself musing on whether there is such a thing as white light, or if it's a construct of our perception. :hmph
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Spare some time to learn about banter next time you find yourself musing on whether there is such a thing as white light, or if it's a construct of our perception. :hmph
Eh... there was also a point being made in the banter which I latched on to. So sorry if you didn't give a shit to begin with. lol
And... interestingly (I know you don't give a shit) red, green and blue at a certain intensity emits a wavelength which is white light. That is why it works.
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Rahx posting new homemade porn? Banned!
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Rah did what?
Snuff film or actual porn? Because if it's a snuff film, that's my fault. If it's homemade porn to try "to own the TIMU" well... whatever.
lmao
why else do you think I was asking if you were collecting them now
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Rahx posting new homemade porn? Banned!
:-\
Rah did what?
Snuff film or actual porn? Because if it's a snuff film, that's my fault. If it's homemade porn to try "to own the TIMU" well... whatever.
lmao
why else do you think I was asking if you were collecting them now
Well, I am the hog connoisseur... just there's certain people (like incels) I don't want to know. :trumps
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Since my handle was invoked in this thread and I found it vanity searching, here's my view on the matter.
I believe that numbers are real, conscious entities who experience qualia, including pleasure and suffering, and who can know divine love.
However, not all mathematical properties have qualia associated with them.
For example, there is a real experience numbers have of being divisible by 5 or divisible by 6, but it is meaningless to speak of how it feels to be divisible by 7.
Divisibility by 7 is mere abstract formalism.
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numbers are a jewish conspiracy