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Title: They’re making good Batman movies again
Post by: EightBitNate on February 13, 2020, 07:55:16 PM
https://vimeo.com/391277390

excited af
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Post by: BlueTsunami on February 13, 2020, 07:58:38 PM
Yuusssssss

Looks moody af
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Post by: Great Rumbler on February 13, 2020, 08:04:02 PM
:jeb
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Post by: BlueTsunami on February 13, 2020, 08:09:35 PM
Man, how stark is the difference between Snyder's and Matt Reeves vision of Batman? There is no ambiguity in the visual environment of Snyder's Batman. Its just a fucking oaf in a rubber bat suit within average lighting. Where as Reeves conveys a more menacing Batman in a simple fucking fifty six second video. Although it is just a camera test but I hope this gives us a taste of the overall aesthetic of the film.
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Post by: EightBitNate on February 13, 2020, 08:12:23 PM
The music is soooo good too. Was kinda hoping the eyes would light up though.
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Post by: benjipwns on February 13, 2020, 08:12:25 PM
how could you tell
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Post by: benjipwns on February 13, 2020, 08:13:00 PM
Was kinda hoping the eyes would light up though.
:jeanluc
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Post by: EightBitNate on February 13, 2020, 08:14:30 PM
Was kinda hoping the eyes would light up though.
:jeanluc

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/batman/images/2/24/BTASposter.png/revision/latest?cb=20180901145952)
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Post by: toku on February 13, 2020, 08:33:30 PM
Very respectable jaw line. Like the leather. Like the bisected armor. Like the logo.
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Post by: BlueTsunami on February 13, 2020, 09:02:44 PM
Although it is just a camera test but I hope this gives us a taste of the overall aesthetic of the film.
you hope the whole movie has all red color grading?

Well I enjoyed Mandy immensely so

YES
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Post by: TVC15 on February 13, 2020, 10:35:09 PM
Looks pretty promising. Let’s hope they freshen up the character a bit. Dark Knight emo Batman is as dated as Lobo is these days. Wish people would get over it so we could sweep this phase under the carpet and move on. Everything’s been done with it.
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Post by: bluemax on February 13, 2020, 10:43:31 PM
I want an actual intelligent Batman for the first time since I dunno, Michael Keaton?
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Post by: Uncle on February 14, 2020, 12:08:00 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/f4LF7H6.png)
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Post by: chronovore on February 14, 2020, 03:26:10 AM
That vimeo is sweet.

I thought it was gonna be a Pete Holmes BADMAN reboot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-G4Y8JtT1j0
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Post by: EightBitNate on August 22, 2020, 08:34:23 PM
https://youtu.be/IK5N2436z9c

David Fincher’s Batman sounds right
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Post by: Great Rumbler on August 22, 2020, 08:39:19 PM
Already gone.
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Post by: paprikastaude on August 22, 2020, 08:42:09 PM
yeah no I can't get over vampire boy's face.
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Post by: EightBitNate on August 22, 2020, 08:43:12 PM
https://youtu.be/NLOp_6uPccQ
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Post by: EightBitNate on August 22, 2020, 09:36:07 PM
Stop being such a Debbie downer. It looks good 😌
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Post by: bork on August 22, 2020, 09:37:59 PM
Stop being such a Debbie downer. It looks good 😌

Yup.  TBH a bit of the "been there, done that" vibe, but it is Batman.
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Post by: nudemacusers on August 22, 2020, 09:39:25 PM
beat me down leather daddy rpatz :lawd
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Post by: Himu on August 22, 2020, 10:29:23 PM
batman beating someone half to death in psychotic rage isn't batman

but Riddler looks good and i'll give it a chance.
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Post by: EightBitNate on August 22, 2020, 10:36:32 PM
batman beating someone half to death in psychotic rage isn't batman

but Riddler looks good and i'll give it a chance.

Batman beating the guy shitless reminds me of the Arkham games, actually
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Post by: Himu on August 22, 2020, 10:40:13 PM
batman beating someone half to death in psychotic rage isn't batman

but Riddler looks good and i'll give it a chance.

Batman beating the guy shitless reminds me of the Arkham games, actually

Batman keeps beating the guy even when he's on the ground. Batman has a no killing rule and vidya characters have hit points so it makes sense it would be like that in a video game, but in a movie it just makes me agree with the politicians that he's just as much a menace as Joker.
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Post by: EightBitNate on August 22, 2020, 10:45:40 PM
batman beating someone half to death in psychotic rage isn't batman

but Riddler looks good and i'll give it a chance.

Batman beating the guy shitless reminds me of the Arkham games, actually

Batman keeps beating the guy even when he's on the ground. Batman has a no killing rule and vidya characters have hit points so it makes sense it would be like that in a video game, but in a movie it just makes me agree with the politicians that he's just as much a menace as Joker.

We don’t know the context of that scene. Maybe that guy is especially bad or something. They show the faces of the other bad guys right after and they look horrified. Couple that with him saying “I’m vengeance” and there’s gotta be a reason for singling this guy out.
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Post by: Himu on August 22, 2020, 10:51:23 PM
Sure. Which is why I'm giving it a chance. Doesn't give a good first impression on this interpretation of Batman, though!
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Post by: bork on August 22, 2020, 10:58:43 PM
Story details from director Matt Reeves:

Quote
You know the whole idea this is all an experiment in the movie. The idea that we're in Year 2, it's the Gotham experiment, it's a criminal logical experiment, trying to figure out what he can do to finally change this place. And in our story, as he's in that mode. That's where you meet him and you see that he's charting what he's doing and he doesn't seem to have any effect that he wants to happen. And that is when the murders start to happen, and then the murders begin to describe sort of the history of Gotham in a way that only reinforces what he knows about Gotham, but it opens up a whole new world of corruption that goes much farther. But as that story starts to come out, without being an origin tale for him, it ends up being something that touches on his origins. So you start to describe this epic history of corruption in Gotham that you start to understand 'well, where did my family sit in that' and in that sense... is a way to take a story, a point-of-view story, a mystery. It's got, of course, action, and all that kind of stuff, but at the end of it, it's incredibly personal for him even though it's in the story where he's trying to understand and unravel this mystery.
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Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on August 22, 2020, 11:00:27 PM
Hopefully the Olsen twins are on set.
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Post by: benjipwns on August 23, 2020, 03:23:43 AM
I have no problem with a sloppy and angry Batman, especially in Year Two (or One) as he's not yet THE Batman. He has one goal, not one rule.

The Joker is the "learning curve point" where Batman has to establish his morality and his philosophy and commit to being Batman over Bruce, before that Batman is taking advantage of his vigilante state, technology and advanced human genes to do what the police cannot or will not do and that's target the corruption of Gotham. He sees an endgame that is nearby, not that this will become a lifelong mission of endless ever increasing rogues, let alone the development of a family. Combating mafia thugs is his thing, not supervillain armies of equal status.

One thing I like that Reeves is doing is putting little cameos from a bundle of those rogues into this to show them "before the Batman" so we can see them in future films as his rogues gallery. And The Riddler is a good character to be able to start off a crime epic that culminates elsewhere. The Riddler makes Batman have to learn to think while others like The Joker or Bane battle him in many more ways, so their early introduction into a "realistic" Batman is tough as Nolan discovered.
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Post by: VomKriege on August 23, 2020, 04:33:47 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/k41vDfO.jpg)
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Post by: Mr Gilhaney on August 23, 2020, 07:20:39 AM
looks decent, i like batman beating some cunt
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Post by: Human Snorenado on August 23, 2020, 07:24:38 AM
looks decent, i like batman beating some cunt

Make Batman Cunty Again
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Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on August 23, 2020, 09:37:17 AM
Ok, i just watched this again. Having batman walking around in the middle of a crime scene.

 :lol


This is going to be a disaster.
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Post by: EightBitNate on August 23, 2020, 10:12:12 AM
Ok, i just watched this again. Having batman walking around in the middle of a crime scene.

 :lol


This is going to be a disaster.

Wait why
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Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on August 23, 2020, 10:15:11 AM
Ok, i just watched this again. Having batman walking around in the middle of a crime scene.

 :lol


This is going to be a disaster.

Wait why

"Hello Mr. Batman, is it?"
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 23, 2020, 11:02:59 AM
It's an odd place to stop suspending disbelief. 
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Post by: Beezy on August 23, 2020, 11:42:30 AM
https://twitter.com/DragonflyJonez/status/1297446440223080448
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 23, 2020, 12:05:13 PM
Ya Batman needs to evolve.   Hope its a Tommy gun. 
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Post by: Steve Contra on August 23, 2020, 12:13:55 PM
Another gritty, realistic Batman? I’m going back to sleep.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 23, 2020, 12:20:05 PM
Do you hibernate between Batman movies? 
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 23, 2020, 12:21:14 PM
I'm only getting out of bed when Black Widow hits but that's a depression thing. 
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Post by: curly on August 23, 2020, 01:39:56 PM
It was pretty cool until Batman talked, that was corny
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Post by: team filler on August 23, 2020, 01:51:31 PM
lebron james should play batman  ::)
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Post by: james on August 23, 2020, 02:31:03 PM
Another one? Didn't we just have like 7 of these? Who asked for this crap
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 23, 2020, 02:31:26 PM
me
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Post by: Steve Contra on August 23, 2020, 02:42:45 PM
Still, can’t be worse than Joker
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Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on August 23, 2020, 03:23:45 PM
But Joker was good.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 23, 2020, 03:28:05 PM
Joker was trash.  He just walks onto a late-night show.  Like "Hello Mr. Joker, is it?"
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Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on August 23, 2020, 03:30:44 PM
Joker was a deep dive into the psyche of what an everyday man has to go through.

"Hello Mr. Joker, how's you're life today?"
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Post by: james on August 23, 2020, 03:49:57 PM
Wow can't wait for another movie about a psychotic  billionaire who is bored at night.

You're an orphan. Ok fuck off and get a therapist
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 23, 2020, 05:34:24 PM
Looks really good. Like the look of it.
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Post by: Nintex on August 23, 2020, 05:46:55 PM
Another one? Didn't we just have like 7 of these? Who asked for this crap
I did, I love the Nolan trilogy and this really brings out the contrast on my OLED panel in dark scenes  :lawd
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Post by: james on August 23, 2020, 07:19:08 PM
Another one? Didn't we just have like 7 of these? Who asked for this crap
I did, I love the Nolan trilogy and this really brings out the contrast on my OLED panel in dark scenes  :lawd

The Nolan trilogy is good because it's Nolan.

But now the story has been told 700 times. We get it. Short of making Space Batman directed by Kubrick, i think this topic has run its course
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Post by: james on August 23, 2020, 07:22:48 PM
Is the Nolan trilogy good tho

If you have access to an Imax, then yes
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Post by: Great Rumbler on August 23, 2020, 07:23:45 PM
Is the Nolan trilogy good tho

Yes.
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Post by: james on August 23, 2020, 07:28:41 PM
I'd also be ok with a batman movie set in Mexico in 1480
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Post by: naff on August 23, 2020, 08:00:08 PM
It's pretty good and extremely popular at least. I see why they've decided to maintain visual consistency. I mean, i'd go nuts for a return to the style of Batman & Robin, but er, i think I'd be in the minority there. I hear this is focusing more on batman as "the greatest detective" and not just the action hero. I'm into that and stan for Pattinson so...
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Post by: naff on August 23, 2020, 08:02:38 PM
Imagine The Rock as Killer Croc in a Schumacher style Batman talkin' with a creole accent. The internet would be aflame  :lol  8) :lawd

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Post by: team filler on August 23, 2020, 08:03:09 PM
 :lol
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Post by: naff on August 23, 2020, 08:10:13 PM
idk, sounds like a "pretty good" trilogy by your own admission there.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 23, 2020, 08:11:16 PM
I don't think this looks like Nolan at all. The art direction, cinematography, and style in this trailer are far more neo noir then what I would call kind business suit noir of Nolan's movies(more so the sequels). Like Nolan tries to go for a a more grounded and realistic with a touch of sophistication in the looks of of his movies. The man likes James Bond movies. His movies have a softer look. This looks dark, kind of comic book dark now. Reminds me of current  Greg Capullo  or Sean Murphy Batman stuff. It's more of a gritty industrial look. Which I think is cool. Zack Snyder tried to do a darker look, but he possibly went to far and it started to look garish. Of course I think his idea of dark is too look more grimy.

I'm very interested where this Batman will go. I think it's great that Batman seems to be established already, but still young and not 100%. Still finding his way.

Hope the movie is good.

As for the Nolan movies. I like them. Honestly, at this point when people say "well they aren't good Batman movies" I don't even know what means.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on August 23, 2020, 08:13:28 PM
Is the Nolan trilogy good tho

Yes.


R u sure

Yes.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 23, 2020, 08:19:20 PM
The Nolan trilogy isn't a good trilogy or a good Batman trilogy.

It's one good Batman movie (Batman Begins)

One good mid tier Michael Mann rip off that happens to have a guy dressed like Batman.

One not particularly good political commentary attempt that actually had the plot of the Adam West Batman movie.
I honestly don't understand your point here man.

You call it a mid tier Micheal Man rip-off which I disagree with, but I also don't find it insightful as well yeah Nolan was inspired by Mann. But also how does that take away from it being a Batman movie? Like Nolan was more interested in seeing Batman through a more realistic lens? Whats wrong with that? Batman deals with Crime stories, Ninja stories, Dracula stories. The character can very well be simply plugged into a "Micheal Mann movie". That's kind of the strength of the character. And through that influence you get a a good story about someone who is larger then  life fighting crime and meeting a nemesis who does not all play by established rules. In spite of it being a very crime focused story you get a alot of character work on the nature of Batman and the Joker.

I mean I guess you could argue that because it's a Batman story, it can't inherently go as deep as a real crime story without make belief elements could, but at that point I don't know how you;d like anything with Batman.

As for Rises. That movie is crazy and pretty incoherent and long. I think you're right whatever political message it may have had it can't even do good lip service too. Still I found it pretty enjoyable. I think the Nolan movies do a good job with Batman as a character.
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Post by: naff on August 23, 2020, 08:27:46 PM
Idk about Dark Knight Rises riffing on the Adam West movie, I've never seen it (idk why that's an issue if it does) but having read the comics it was supposed to be inspired by (knightfall, dark knight returns and no man's land) the inspiration is pretty clear.  As a conduit reflecting the absolute terror and panic surrounding terrorist fearmongering in modern society I think Rises kinda nailed it personally. What deeper political statement was it trying to make?
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Post by: jakefromstatefarm on August 23, 2020, 08:29:23 PM
that the occupiers were a bunch of spiteful babies
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Post by: EightBitNate on August 23, 2020, 08:43:42 PM
Yeah I’m reading The Long Halloween right now and this trailer was very similar to it in tone.
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Post by: naff on August 23, 2020, 08:47:20 PM
that the occupiers were a bunch of spiteful babies

 :lol

yeah, i mean i get all that league of shadows ras al ghul "dEStoY CapITalIsm" stuff, but i thought the whole point was it was empty rhetoric to justify the symbolic destruction of gotham. haven't seen the movie in a long time
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Post by: paprikastaude on August 23, 2020, 08:48:40 PM
Batman Begins is the best. :miyamoto TDK is too incoherent in hindsight, because you just wait for the baddies to return. Begins is way more wholesome. Also watching them back to back is jarring. Not only because of the drastically different looks, but within like one month in that universe Batman goes from muscle :doge motivated superhero to wimp :doge 'nooo being Batman is too hard, stahp'. Also yes Rises didn't get better with time and adjusted expectations. Bad pacing and Adam West-tier plotpoints in what tries to be superserious.
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Post by: jakefromstatefarm on August 23, 2020, 08:59:39 PM
that the occupiers were a bunch of spiteful babies
but i thought the whole point was it was empty rhetoric to justify the symbolic destruction of gotham.
this is exactly the point. a bunch of poors and kids being led around by a lying supervillain infantilized what were real grievances and questions that the rich in gotham were responsible for answering
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Post by: OnlyRegret on August 23, 2020, 09:11:57 PM
but of course, the real highlight was the airplane scene, such kino you could say
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Post by: team filler on August 23, 2020, 09:17:21 PM
but of course, the real highlight was the airplane scene, such kino you could say
plinko :ufup
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Post by: team filler on August 23, 2020, 09:20:34 PM
Well

Batman Begins is about a rich orphan who goes off to Asia to become a ninja and stop a psychiatrist in a burlap sack from giving the poors nightmare gas and also his sensei from blowing up the city in a centuries long secret society plot.

TDK is Batman vs the mob but also some anarchist clown trying to ruin Batman's day as Batman goes full Bush/Cheney war on terror domestic surveillance and also the plot makes no sense upon a rewatch or critical thought like most Nolan movies.

TDKR makes some kind of allusions to or commentary on such things as Occupy Wallstreet, the French Revolution even though it's the rich, city elite guy that saves the day and also despite Gotham needing him more than ever he says fuck it and fakes his death to go live off in France with his thief girlfriend and hands over the reigns to someone he's known like....a week because he's also an orphan. And actually environmentalists are the baddies. But also has Batman just not being able to get rid of a damn bomb.

There's not really a through line through the movies, Bruce isn't being Batman for good reasons and just quits over a woman, TWICE, abandoning his role both as a Wayne and as Batman in the city when he's feeling blue. Or happy. All he did as Batman was bring a bunch of chaos and superfreaks to the city and then abandoned it multiple times. However the movies aren't an exploration of such a topic, but instead all boil down to the good guy punching out the bad guy rah rah we did it yay the day is saved simplicity while pretending to be ambiguous or mature, an issue Nolan has with...like all of his work.

The only real connecting theme through the trilogy is that lefties are bad and only the rich hard right daddy can save you. Even at the time they were made as a reflection of the world, they were on the wrong side of things. Let alone 10-15 years later. This isn't even taking into consideration the poorly shot and edited action, questionable sound design, sloppy plot holes, and Nolan Batman actually being pretty stupid and falling into every trap set for him across 3 movies.
had no idea they were making a sequel to annihilation and it stars chris nolan  :whew
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 23, 2020, 09:37:26 PM
Well I think the through line is simply Batman's war on crime. It starts in Begins obviously, it becomes complicated and is tested in Dark Knight as Batman meets a criminal beyond his simple understanding, and is redeemed in Rises as he comes back from his admittedly childish guilt.

Now I can see a lot of what you are saying and the political reading has always been there. Lots of talk of occupy when Rise came out. But to be honest, that's usually not what speaks to me. So while I can understand that it may have some troubling subtext, it's not what I chose to focus on. Though I have always thought that him giving up in Rises was not the best place to take it, especially since at the end of Dark Knight I felt "oh now the real war on crime starts". And also for me things like plot holes and the breaking of reality are things I usually ignore if other parts are working for me. The criticism of it being faux realism to me just says we have different levels of suspension. I can agree that a lot of it in the end devolves into simplicity, but I honestly never let my brain get that deep.

I guess honestly I simply disagree with you because I don't see the movies the way you do.
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Post by: naff on August 23, 2020, 10:10:19 PM
For me, it's still a silly superhero movie and people take the grim aesthetic and Nolan's intent too literally. Bane is a terrorist co-opting simple populist rhetoric to justify their global "rebalancing" of power structures in their favour. It's an action tour de force with some topical references thrown in for a little heft.
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Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on August 23, 2020, 11:10:56 PM
So the trailer starts with duct tape sounds right?


Then batman shows up in timberlands to a crime scene.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 24, 2020, 12:19:17 AM
Maybe you just don't like Batman.
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Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on August 24, 2020, 12:21:16 AM
I like Batman.

Not a shitty one.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 24, 2020, 12:22:51 AM
I mean by the logic I'm seeing here, I'm not sure how Batman is'nt stupid to you. I mean you're pretty much making fun of Batman showing up at a crime scene dressed as Batman...
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Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on August 24, 2020, 12:23:58 AM
I mean by the logic I'm seeing here, I'm not sure how Batman is'nt stupid to you. I mean you're pretty much making fun of Batman showing up at a crime scene dressed as Batman...

That's literally what I'm doing. Why would batman be at a crime scene?

"Hi I'm batman, where is the criminal? dur"
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 24, 2020, 12:24:53 AM
Um because he's Batman and he deals with crime...

And in this these crimes seem targeted at him. They are literally calling out Batman. It's clear the Riddler is doing stuff to get to Batman and in this Batman already has an established relationship with the GCPD/
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 24, 2020, 12:26:14 AM
Never-mind I don't care about this dumb argument.
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Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on August 24, 2020, 12:26:35 AM
Which would make even less sense for him to show up.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 24, 2020, 12:27:41 AM
Have you read or watched a Batman thing ever?

He's a detective..
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Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on August 24, 2020, 12:28:43 AM
No, I've never read any batman thing ever.

foh
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 24, 2020, 12:32:27 AM
foh?

You're saying something is going to be a disaster because in an edited trailer Batman walks up to Commissioner Gordan at a crime scene.


If you can't see how stupid that is, thats on you.
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Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on August 24, 2020, 12:45:17 AM
foh?

You're saying something is going to be a disaster because in an edited trailer Batman walks up to Commissioner Gordan at a crime scene.


If you can't see how stupid that is, thats on you.

Batman in plain sight at a crime scene is dumb as fuck.
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Post by: bork on August 24, 2020, 12:47:11 AM
foh?

You're saying something is going to be a disaster because in an edited trailer Batman walks up to Commissioner Gordan at a crime scene.


If you can't see how stupid that is, thats on you.

Batman in plain sight at a crime scene is dumb as fuck.

Batman has been depicted as working with the Gotham City PD and is buddies with Commissioner Gordon.  It just depends on who is writing the character. 
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Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on August 24, 2020, 12:51:57 AM
et tu?
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 24, 2020, 12:54:26 AM
I feel like there’s a lot dumber(Bat god, time bullet) things than Batman appearing at a crime scene.  But I guess to each their own.
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Post by: thisismyusername on August 24, 2020, 01:01:35 AM
foh?

You're saying something is going to be a disaster because in an edited trailer Batman walks up to Commissioner Gordan at a crime scene.


If you can't see how stupid that is, thats on you.

Batman in plain sight at a crime scene is dumb as fuck.

Batman has been depicted as working with the Gotham City PD and is buddies with Commissioner Gordon.  It just depends on who is writing the character.

I gotta agree with Cauli for once. It's kind of dumb that a vigilant justice hero is going to a crime-scene with the cops.

It's like the Punisher showing up.

(I got no problem with it personally, but...)
Title: Re: They’re making good Batman movies again
Post by: bork on August 24, 2020, 01:10:45 AM
The Punisher is a killer- Batman (typically) isn't.

Maybe he's a consultant or maybe the idea here is that they figure they're better off letting him hang around, instead of trying to catch him, because by this point he's proven that he's on their side or whatever.

If you really want to get into it, why isn't everybody just laughing at the dude running around in a costume like that?  :P
Title: Re: They’re making good Batman movies again
Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 24, 2020, 01:13:27 AM
It's actually not at all like the Punisher.

The Punisher works super underground and any dealings with cops are usually in back door channels or him shooting them.

Batman is friends with the police commissioner, the police have a literal call sign for him, and sometimes he's even given them tech to take down villains. At one point the cops even create their own replacement Batman.

It's also not uncommon to have Batman show up at Arkham or the Police station to either drop off villains who I guess he citizens arrested with no one bating an eye.

But it's stupid he's at a crime scene. Ok.


Quote
Maybe he's a consultant or maybe the idea here is that they figure they're better off letting him hang around, instead of trying to catch him, because by this point he's proven that he's on their side or whatever.
Well we see him arguing with the police in a interrogation room later. Wouldn't be surprised if this is  like The Dark Knight where he is on good terms at the begining and then thanks to the chaos happening things take a turn.
Title: Re: They’re making good Batman movies again
Post by: BIONIC on August 24, 2020, 01:20:04 AM
Well

Batman Begins is about a rich orphan who goes off to Asia to become a ninja and stop a psychiatrist in a burlap sack from giving the poors nightmare gas and also his sensei from blowing up the city in a centuries long secret society plot.

TDK is Batman vs the mob but also some anarchist clown trying to ruin Batman's day as Batman goes full Bush/Cheney war on terror domestic surveillance and also the plot makes no sense upon a rewatch or critical thought like most Nolan movies.

TDKR makes some kind of allusions to or commentary on such things as Occupy Wallstreet, the French Revolution even though it's the rich, city elite guy that saves the day and also despite Gotham needing him more than ever he says fuck it and fakes his death to go live off in France with his thief girlfriend and hands over the reigns to someone he's known like....a week because he's also an orphan. And actually environmentalists are the baddies. But also has Batman just not being able to get rid of a damn bomb.

There's not really a through line through the movies, Bruce isn't being Batman for good reasons and just quits over a woman, TWICE, abandoning his role both as a Wayne and as Batman in the city when he's feeling blue. Or happy. All he did as Batman was bring a bunch of chaos and superfreaks to the city and then abandoned it multiple times. However the movies aren't an exploration of such a topic, but instead all boil down to the good guy punching out the bad guy rah rah we did it yay the day is saved simplicity while pretending to be ambiguous or mature, an issue Nolan has with...like all of his work.

The only real connecting theme through the trilogy is that lefties are bad and only the rich hard right daddy can save you. Even at the time they were made as a reflection of the world, they were on the wrong side of things. Let alone 10-15 years later. This isn't even taking into consideration the poorly shot and edited action, questionable sound design, sloppy plot holes, and Nolan Batman actually being pretty stupid and falling into every trap set for him across 3 movies. Think of all the people of Gotham that lost their lives and suffered because of the Batman of the Nolan trilogy.

I’m not reading any of that you stupid bitch.
Title: Re: They’re making good Batman movies again
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on August 24, 2020, 01:51:03 AM
Batman being a consultant.

lol

Didn't the punisher kill a bunch of cops?
Title: Re: They’re making good Batman movies again
Post by: thisismyusername on August 24, 2020, 01:55:05 AM
Didn't the punisher kill a bunch of cops?

Yes, and even recently stated he'd kill them if they pulled the shit he did (as a critic toward cops with the logo on their cars/shit).

But that's missing the point: Both of them bring folks "to justice" outside of the law. It's a little funny that Batman, someone that supposedly hides in the shadows to use "fear" as a weapon, would just show up for the cops.

Then again, Gotham has the Bat Signal, so... hero worship there to where him "consulting" is a thing.

It's a toss-up on how you feel about it, but I lean slightly toward the "dumb because vigilante" category.
Title: Re: They’re making good Batman movies again
Post by: benjipwns on August 24, 2020, 02:22:22 AM
I feel like there’s a lot dumber(Bat god, time bullet) things than Batman appearing at a crime scene.  But I guess to each their own.
It was the essence of a bullet, just fired backwards through time by Darkseid to close the loop. :karen

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Title: Re: They’re making good Batman movies again
Post by: curly on August 24, 2020, 02:23:12 AM
damn you nerds know a lot about batman
Title: Re: They’re making good Batman movies again
Post by: paprikastaude on August 24, 2020, 02:47:29 AM
Well

Batman Begins is about a rich orphan who goes off to Asia to become a ninja and stop a psychiatrist in a burlap sack from giving the poors nightmare gas and also his sensei from blowing up the city in a centuries long secret society plot.

TDK is Batman vs the mob but also some anarchist clown trying to ruin Batman's day as Batman goes full Bush/Cheney war on terror domestic surveillance and also the plot makes no sense upon a rewatch or critical thought like most Nolan movies.

TDKR makes some kind of allusions to or commentary on such things as Occupy Wallstreet, the French Revolution even though it's the rich, city elite guy that saves the day and also despite Gotham needing him more than ever he says fuck it and fakes his death to go live off in France with his thief girlfriend and hands over the reigns to someone he's known like....a week because he's also an orphan. And actually environmentalists are the baddies. But also has Batman just not being able to get rid of a damn bomb.

There's not really a through line through the movies, Bruce isn't being Batman for good reasons and just quits over a woman, TWICE, abandoning his role both as a Wayne and as Batman in the city when he's feeling blue. Or happy. All he did as Batman was bring a bunch of chaos and superfreaks to the city and then abandoned it multiple times. However the movies aren't an exploration of such a topic, but instead all boil down to the good guy punching out the bad guy rah rah we did it yay the day is saved simplicity while pretending to be ambiguous or mature, an issue Nolan has with...like all of his work.

The only real connecting theme through the trilogy is that lefties are bad and only the rich hard right daddy can save you. Even at the time they were made as a reflection of the world, they were on the wrong side of things. Let alone 10-15 years later. This isn't even taking into consideration the poorly shot and edited action, questionable sound design, sloppy plot holes, and Nolan Batman actually being pretty stupid and falling into every trap set for him across 3 movies. Think of all the people of Gotham that lost their lives and suffered because of the Batman of the Nolan trilogy.

Nolan is wary of anything that isn't the murican way of life™, but he understands its failings. Which is why weirdos with masks destroy the system so easily.
Title: Re: They’re making good Batman movies again
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on August 24, 2020, 03:03:05 AM
It would be entirely possible to make a good Batman film that doesn't involve him beating the shit out of random thugs, because in many ways he's a contemporary Sherlock Holmes and you could easily lean into that side of things.

But then contemporary Sherlock Holmes films are him beating the shit out of random thugs, car chases in horse drawn carriages and jumping out of windows while explosions go off, so maybe hollywood just does not give a single fuck about "heroes" that don't involve fist / gun fights with random thugs and mooks, have car chases and jump out of windows while big explosions happen behind them
Title: Re: They’re making good Batman movies again
Post by: benjipwns on August 24, 2020, 03:06:15 AM
I think the scene that started this one conversation can definitely be goofy on its face but it depends on how it's setup, when it comes in the film, etc. The Riddler is addressing these things to Batman. They're almost assuredly containing riddles for Batman, Gordon openly calling in Batman and having him walk past all the cops can be a power move by Gordon within the department to say "we have to work with the guy on this" (Gordon basically says as much in the trailer) as well as towards Batman, making him come out of the shadows, not sneaking in and stealing evidence, but saying to him "you have to work with us too." This is Year Two, so Batman has been around and isn't going away, the police denying his existence internally isn't sustainable. (Legends of the Dark Knight had some good storylines along these lines of having to deal with his existence, namely "Prey")

Besides, Batman almost never works alone, that's the whole thematic arc of every Batman series over the last three decades. First it's Alfred, then Gordon, then all the Robins, etc. Even Nolan's films have him leaning on Alfred, Lucius Fox and Gordon from the very first film, not gradually and they're the most loner of Batman stories.

If this is still a trilogy then we're going to most likely see Batman get better and the relationships with everyone on both sides of the law grow. Gordon's going to be promoted and change the departments policy to where he puts a big ol light on the roof. This is showing the start of that. Batman is going to conversely trust Gordon more, develop his philosophy beyond "vengeance", get to know Selina, etc. By the third film the police will probably be relegated back to background characters we see after Batman does his war on crime, with some exception for Gordon to give us exposition, as the crazies come out of the woodwork and change the type of corruption in Gotham. That's what I read into Reeves' statement on the prior page.
Title: Re: They’re making good Batman movies again
Post by: Don Rumata on August 24, 2020, 04:39:08 AM
Judge the plot plausibility of a 3 seconds shot, with 0 (ZERO) context, brehs.  ::)

Beside that, the movie doesn't look like it's doing anything particularly new or interesting so far, it looks like Nolan's Batman with TheCrow's edginess mixed in.
Title: Re: They’re making good Batman movies again
Post by: Transhuman on August 24, 2020, 05:40:57 AM
Yeah, I thought I was going crazy hearing all this praise
Title: Re: They’re making good Batman movies again
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 24, 2020, 08:57:29 AM
I mean by the logic I'm seeing here, I'm not sure how Batman is'nt stupid to you. I mean you're pretty much making fun of Batman showing up at a crime scene dressed as Batman...

That's literally what I'm doing. Why would batman be at a crime scene?

"Hi I'm batman, where is the criminal? dur"

TDK has Batman show up at police headquarters and beat up the Joker in front of everyone.
Title: Re: They’re making good Batman movies again
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on August 24, 2020, 09:22:02 AM
I mean by the logic I'm seeing here, I'm not sure how Batman is'nt stupid to you. I mean you're pretty much making fun of Batman showing up at a crime scene dressed as Batman...


That's literally what I'm doing. Why would batman be at a crime scene?

"Hi I'm batman, where is the criminal? dur"

TDK has Batman show up at police headquarters and beat up the Joker in front of everyone.


But they didn't like it
Title: Re: They’re making good Batman movies again
Post by: paprikastaude on August 24, 2020, 11:40:37 AM
I mean by the logic I'm seeing here, I'm not sure how Batman is'nt stupid to you. I mean you're pretty much making fun of Batman showing up at a crime scene dressed as Batman...

That's literally what I'm doing. Why would batman be at a crime scene?

"Hi I'm batman, where is the criminal? dur"

TDK has Batman show up at police headquarters and beat up the Joker in front of everyone.

The interrogation scene is dumb.
Title: Re: They’re making good Batman movies again
Post by: Himu on August 24, 2020, 11:57:30 AM
foh?

You're saying something is going to be a disaster because in an edited trailer Batman walks up to Commissioner Gordan at a crime scene.


If you can't see how stupid that is, thats on you.

Batman in plain sight at a crime scene is dumb as fuck.

Sometimes Batman works with the commish which gives him direct access to places.

In TDK, he walks into the bank after the robbery to talk to Gordon.

Other times, he has to sneak in.

It really isn't anything out of the ordinary. Batman has varying interpretations across a whole swath of media.
Title: Re: They’re making good Batman movies again
Post by: Himu on August 24, 2020, 12:00:19 PM
foh?

You're saying something is going to be a disaster because in an edited trailer Batman walks up to Commissioner Gordan at a crime scene.


If you can't see how stupid that is, thats on you.

Batman in plain sight at a crime scene is dumb as fuck.

Batman has been depicted as working with the Gotham City PD and is buddies with Commissioner Gordon.  It just depends on who is writing the character.

I gotta agree with Cauli for once. It's kind of dumb that a vigilant justice hero is going to a crime-scene with the cops.

It's like the Punisher showing up.

(I got no problem with it personally, but...)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReebLhPVqr8
Title: Re: They’re making good Batman movies again
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 24, 2020, 12:02:35 PM
I've always said that super hero movies are too smart and need to be dumbed down for the general audience.  Hopefully there are a few throw away lines to the let the audience know that batman is not just some guy walking around a crime scene. 
Title: Re: They’re making good Batman movies again
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 24, 2020, 12:05:18 PM
Like maybe
'Who is the wackjob in the cape'?
'Oh him?  That's Mr batman.  You know the Alessandro murder?  He helped us with that'
Title: Re: They’re making good Batman movies again
Post by: Himu on August 24, 2020, 12:09:39 PM
There's even a scene in Batman TAS directly about this:

https://youtu.be/cj8M3izXtKQ

Over the decades, numerous Batman media have debated on whether Batman helps the police or if it he's a force beyond it. In many Batman stories, the police aren't entirely sympathetic to Batman. In some others, they're split. The point is, Gordon calls the shots and will often give Batman direct access to police evidence, crime scenes;etc.

This is a baffling point to contest on the merits of this movie. The punching the daylights out of a thug is far more concerning  for any Batman fan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3oOldViIgY

Never mind that there's a specific point made in TDK that shows Batman has no jurisdiction. Why would someone that has no jurisdiction care about crime scenes when he's allowed to help solve crimes and assist the police with regularity.

Monkey brain Batman debate shit.
Title: Re: They’re making good Batman movies again
Post by: Himu on August 24, 2020, 12:14:53 PM
Batman being a vigilante who also has a relationship with the Police is one of the most recognizable aspects of the character.. him being called to crime scenes is probably controversial in the plot of the movie too.

And if it's truly Year Two then Gordon will get flack for allowing him to do that.
Title: Re: They’re making good Batman movies again
Post by: EightBitNate on August 24, 2020, 12:15:55 PM
I mean by the logic I'm seeing here, I'm not sure how Batman is'nt stupid to you. I mean you're pretty much making fun of Batman showing up at a crime scene dressed as Batman...

That's literally what I'm doing. Why would batman be at a crime scene?

"Hi I'm batman, where is the criminal? dur"

TDK has Batman show up at police headquarters and beat up the Joker in front of everyone.

The interrogation scene is dumb.

The interrogation is literally the best scene in the entire Nolan trilogy

Batman working with the police isn’t as strange for the character as some of you guys are making it out to be.
Title: Re: They’re making good Batman movies again
Post by: team filler on August 24, 2020, 02:20:37 PM
ol pris from blade runner lookin ah   :sabu
(https://i.imgur.com/mFluLKI.gif)(https://i.imgur.com/UQvbgwS.jpg)


mario 64 slow motion breakdance move fight  :heh

(https://i.imgur.com/oTtQR2J.gif)(https://i.imgur.com/6UX0Lgx.gif)(https://i.imgur.com/HEYw9l6.gif)

batman look like he wearing a trashbag for a cape too  :lol  :trash :lol
Title: Re: They’re making good Batman movies again
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on August 24, 2020, 02:31:04 PM
Batman being a vigilante who also has a relationship with the Police is one of the most recognizable aspects of the character.. him being called to crime scenes is probably controversial in the plot of the movie too.

Look, Batman interrogating the joker as a surprise element isn't the same as him just hanging around a crime scene whilst cops move about.
Title: Re: They’re making good Batman movies again
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on August 24, 2020, 03:11:18 PM
Batman being a vigilante who also has a relationship with the Police is one of the most recognizable aspects of the character.. him being called to crime scenes is probably controversial in the plot of the movie too.

Look, Batman interrogating the joker as a surprise element isn't the same as him just hanging around a crime scene whilst cops move about.


OK, I never brought up that scene but what exactly is your argument here?  Batman isn't a vigilante because he hates the police.. and the police in batman stories sometimes work with Batman..despite the fact he's a vigilante.   You seem to think being invited to a crime scene is somehow too extreme in some way;  in which way?  That Batman would never agree to it or that the Police never would?  I don't really see a logical argument for either considering the history of the character having a direct line to the Police Commissioner.   Other times he's the enemy of the people and being hunted by the cops... that back and forth being a key aspect of the lore.

Dexter and Masuka are already there.

(https://i.imgur.com/KzqSAzJ.png)
Title: Re: They’re making good Batman movies again
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 24, 2020, 03:23:24 PM
Batman interacts with the police all the time, and his close friendship with Commissioner Gordon is one of the series' defining traits. I don't see how Batman showing up to a crime scene, especially one committed by a criminal that is specifically calling him out, is somehow out of line.
Title: Re: They’re making good Batman movies again
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on August 24, 2020, 03:37:37 PM
Batman : Commissioner Gordon
Sherlock Holmes : Inspector Lestrade
Title: Re: They’re making good Batman movies again
Post by: team filler on August 24, 2020, 03:39:04 PM
the main villain should be heisenberg tbh  :pimp
Title: Re: They’re making good Batman movies again
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on August 24, 2020, 03:43:47 PM
"I'm vengeance"

 :lol
Title: Re: They’re making good Batman movies again
Post by: team filler on August 24, 2020, 03:47:05 PM
who the fuck was she going to hurt with that slow ass weak ass kick   :neogaf is this the matrix 4 already with this bullet time fight bullshid  :lol
Title: Re: They’re making good Batman movies again
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 24, 2020, 04:07:47 PM
"I'm vengeance"

 :lol

Woah, dude, Batman never said that before!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xbbpH-20ak

Oh wait.
Title: Re: They’re making good Batman movies again
Post by: Don Rumata on August 24, 2020, 04:08:47 PM
Everything else looks alright to me, but this
(https://i.imgur.com/kZihSyg.jpg)
looks so goofy.
Just cover her mouth, ffs, i get they're trying to recreate her OG mask, but they picked the dumbest looking skymask i've ever seen.
Or give her some goggles like she usually has anyways.
Title: Re: They’re making good Batman movies again
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 24, 2020, 04:14:08 PM
We're never gonna get a live-action Catwoman wearing the goggles. :tocry
Title: Re: They’re making good Batman movies again
Post by: EightBitNate on August 24, 2020, 04:17:29 PM
Everything else looks alright to me, but this
(https://i.imgur.com/kZihSyg.jpg)
looks so goofy.
Just cover her mouth, ffs, i get they're trying to recreate her OG mask, but they picked the dumbest looking skymask i've ever seen.
Or give her some goggles like she usually has anyways.

Maybe impractical but undeniably sexy :o
Title: Re: They’re making good Batman movies again
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 24, 2020, 04:23:07 PM
Hope that is just early catwoman and we get a five minute Pfeifferesque fetish transformation. 
Title: Re: They’re making good Batman movies again
Post by: team filler on August 24, 2020, 04:26:45 PM
the bitch better have 9 lives with that weak shid  :lol she needs 99 lives just to rob the punjabi at 7-11  :neogaf
Title: Re: They’re making good Batman movies again
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on August 24, 2020, 04:30:40 PM
"I'm vengeance"

 :lol

Woah, dude, Batman never said that before!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xbbpH-20ak

Oh wait.

If they make that scene into that arc. I'll excuse it.
Title: Re: They’re making good Batman movies again
Post by: Nintex on August 24, 2020, 04:31:27 PM
Nolan Catwoman had goggles
(https://www.wallpaperup.com/uploads/wallpapers/2014/03/27/311396/27401efa71616abfc17f601b2a0035f6-700.jpg)

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Title: Re: They’re making good Batman movies again
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 24, 2020, 04:38:29 PM
She had goggles, but not THE goggles.
Title: Re: They’re making good Batman movies again
Post by: james on August 24, 2020, 05:12:49 PM
You know if Batman could turn into a bat like Animorphs it would be a much better movie.
Title: Re: They’re making good Batman movies again
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 24, 2020, 05:41:26 PM
The series already has that character, and his name is Manbat.
Title: Re: They’re making good Batman movies again
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 24, 2020, 05:45:04 PM
"Hello Mr. Manbat, is it?"
Title: Re: They’re making good Batman movies again
Post by: Himu on August 24, 2020, 05:47:38 PM
Batman being a vigilante who also has a relationship with the Police is one of the most recognizable aspects of the character.. him being called to crime scenes is probably controversial in the plot of the movie too.

Look, Batman interrogating the joker as a surprise element isn't the same as him just hanging around a crime scene whilst cops move about.

I literally posted a clip from the same movie where Batman is allowed to walk around a crime scene of a bank robbery.
Title: Re: They’re making good Batman movies again
Post by: team filler on August 24, 2020, 05:47:39 PM
batman finally got a superpower, he breaks your legs and gives you the covid if you steal a few grapes while shopping without a mask  :corona_rodney
Title: Re: They’re making good Batman movies again
Post by: Himu on August 24, 2020, 05:50:42 PM
Everything else looks alright to me, but this
(https://i.imgur.com/kZihSyg.jpg)
looks so goofy.
Just cover her mouth, ffs, i get they're trying to recreate her OG mask, but they picked the dumbest looking skymask i've ever seen.
Or give her some goggles like she usually has anyways.

Why are you mentioning this and not the obvious thing:

THAT THIS MAKES ME UNCOMFORTABLE IN THIS COVID ERA AKA WHERE IS HER MASK?!?!?! :stop
Title: Re: They’re making good Batman movies again
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on August 24, 2020, 08:39:15 PM
I like how batman doesn't have a mask.