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You don't even have Dirk in the top three. Do you know what team has the best record in basketball?
2005 (1st)You don't even have Dirk in the top three. Do you know what team has the best record in basketball?
How many times does the player on a team with the best record win the MVP?
The Mavs would have the best record without Dirk? 25/10/3 gives you zero extra wins but but 20/3/11 GIVES YOU CREDIT FOR EVERY FUCKING WIN!You don't even have Dirk in the top three. Do you know what team has the best record in basketball?
Dirk is having a good year, but he's not in my top 3 for MVP. His preformance doesn't determine whether the Mavs win or lose - he could average 20 points a game and they'd still be on top. Guys like Arenas and Kobe and Nash mean far more to their teams than Dirk does to the Mavs.
By what, one game? That's nothing to brag about. Next week the Suns might have it.What does more on paper mean?
Dirk is not the MVP. Nash means more to his team on paper, and it's not even debatable.
By what, one game? That's nothing to brag about. Next week the Suns might have it.What does more on paper mean?
Dirk is not the MVP. Nash means more to his team on paper, and it's not even debatable.
Nowitzki total production 30.8 opponent 13.1 Net: +17.7
Nowitzki on court +11.6 off court: -6.0 Net: +17.6
And Nash's PER rating is nowhere near Nowitzki's.
The Mavs lose when Dirk is off the fucking court. And you say they'd win just as much? Are you insane!
NashThe MVP is handed out well before the finals.
And you all know that he's going to get shafted because the Suns won't make it to the finals... unlessspoiler (click to show/hide)they have the best record in the West, there's just no way that the Suns can go through Dallas and San Antonio[close]
ARENAS!Can't even beat the Raptors.
We can't beat a crappy team FROM CANADA. Arenas am fraud.
And Iverson has spent most of his career out of the playoffs - what's your point?Iverson made it to the Finals when his second option was Aaron McKie! Poor Arenas only had a 20/8/4 player to play with tonight. :'(
Now I see why you suck at LSATs.
Dikembe is not and never has been a scoring threat. He has always been a tremendous defensive center, but that's it.
Eric Snow is garbage. You are grasping at straws.
Nowitzki is a foot taller than me and German.
No way I'm doing anything to piss him off.
The MVP is Arenas. Remove Dirk and Nash from their respective teams, and they're still playoff teams. Remove Kobe and Arenas from their respective teams, and they're not playoff teams (I don't think the Wiz would make the playoffs even in the East!). Arenas is having a better year than Kobe so he should win the award.
THE END.
Uh, they've beaten the Lakers, Mavericks, Suns and Jazz, smart guy. What are you smoking?
I have it like so:
1. Dirk
2. Nash
3. Kobe
4. Duncan/Arenas (tie)
Dirk deserves it for several reasons, not the least of which is that he got shafted last season (better numbers than Nash and a better team record last year). Nash is actually making his best case for MVP this season (~20/12 and 50+% from both 2 and 3? :o), but I'd give Dirk his first sooner than I'd give Nash his third (which would put him in some elite company), both because Dirk is having at least an equally impressive season from an individual and team stanpoint as well as the fact that, as noted previously, he was outright robbed last year.
So it's Dirk for me thus far, without question. Nash has a slight edge on Kobe (I'd say 5-10% if I had to quantify it); Kobe, in turn, has a similar edge on Duncan/Arenas imo. The Lakers and Spurs have comparable records despite key injuries for LA and Kobe is playing better ball than Duncan is this season.
Malek, good call on noting the team record for past MVP winners. I'm pretty sure your rankings were in-conference, but it's interesting to note that only twice in the last 20 years did the MVP come from a team that was not a top 3 team in the entire league, record-wise. Those two exceptions were Jordan in '88 (when he just had a ridiculous year and they overachieved) and Nash last season -- and Nash's team had the fourth best record in the league. That's why it makes me laugh when people say that Kobe got robbed last year. No, he didn't -- not based on the historical precedent and the implicit criteria for the award, at least. Players from 45-win, 7th seeded teams with the 10th best record in the NBA just don't win MVP.
</Kobe bashing> ;) :D
The MVP is Arenas. Remove Dirk and Nash from their respective teams, and they're still playoff teams. Remove Kobe and Arenas from their respective teams, and they're not playoff teams (I don't think the Wiz would make the playoffs even in the East!). Arenas is having a better year than Kobe so he should win the award.(http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/popper/popper.jpg)
THE END.
So it's Dirk for me thus far, without question.
They've played almost 20 games against the West and multiple games against good East teams like Detriot (four games), Orlando (I think we're up to three), Cleveland and Miami. You're crazy.
Yes, they lose to crap teams now and then (that was also a back-to-back where they traveled from D.C. to OUT OF THE COUNTRY without Antawan Jamison).
You're just stupid!
Nash is the MVP on paper, and it's barely debatable.
Scoring more points doesn't make him more valuable than Kobe
Someone bookmark this prophesy
The Suns will beat the Mavs if they play them in the playoffsThe Mavs beat them twice this year and beat them in the playoffs last year. Good luck.
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Furthermore, Kobe's percentage is not that much higher than Arenas', who has a higher 3pt percentage. He also scores more and is easily a way better defender than Kobe.
By what, one game? That's nothing to brag about. Next week the Suns might have it.Yeah seriously, if any joe shmoe plays on the same team as Nash, suddenly he's a good player. Nash isn't just a great player himself, he makes the other people on his team great as well.
Dirk is not the MVP. Nash means more to his team on paper, and it's not even debatable.
By what, one game? That's nothing to brag about. Next week the Suns might have it.Yeah seriously, if any joe shmoe plays on the same team as Nash, suddenly he's a good player. Nash isn't just a great player himself, he makes the other people on his team great as well.
Dirk is not the MVP. Nash means more to his team on paper, and it's not even debatable.
I mean if you want to talk about who truly is most valuable, then it's by FAR Nash.
Dirk is better without Nash:lol
Howard is better without Nash
Joe Johnson is better without Nash
Marion is the exact same player with Nash
What are you laughing about. These are all facts.Dirk is better without Nash:lol
Howard is better without Nash
Joe Johnson is better without Nash
Marion is the exact same player with Nash
They were like what, 21 or 22 when they started playing with Nash? Wow 21 year old basketball players improved with age... WOWWOWOWOWWOWO
NO IT WAS ALL NASH!
Malek exposed :lolSo some players are better, some players are the same, and some players are worse off without Nash. That certainly doesn't suggest he should get the credit for everything a player on his team does. Let's not forget that the Suns system changed as well, a system that is pretty much designed around Nash.
Good job ruining your credibility buddy. Clearly you're of the Ninja Scooter/Bionic77 fabric. I'm more disappointed in you since you have an understanding of fallacies.
But...Bionic is a lawyer or something I think :-\
Malek exposed :lolSo some players are better, some players are the same, and some players are worse off without Nash. That certainly doesn't suggest he should get the credit for everything a player on his team does. Let's not forget that the Suns system changed as well, a system that is pretty much designed around Nash.
Good job ruining your credibility buddy. Clearly you're of the Ninja Scooter/Bionic77 fabric. I'm more disappointed in you since you have an understanding of fallacies.
But...Bionic is a lawyer or something I think :-\
The MVP is Arenas. Remove Dirk and Nash from their respective teams, and they're still playoff teams. Remove Kobe and Arenas from their respective teams, and they're not playoff teams (I don't think the Wiz would make the playoffs even in the East!). Arenas is having a better year than Kobe so he should win the award.
THE END.
Kobe has made multiple All-Defense teams, including last year's first team. I've felt that Bryant is overrated when it comes to his defensive, but are you going to say that Arenas is better than him?
Kobe has made multiple All-Defense teams, including last year's first team. I've felt that Bryant is overrated when it comes to his defensive, but are you going to say that Arenas is better than him?
Yeah, he is. Arenas gets turnovers and does a good job of getting boards and key defensive stops. And I believe he was recently ranked by Hollinger as the best combo guard in the game.
That being said I'd rank him ahead of Arenas in terms of defense.
And offense. Kobe is a much better shooter and he gets his teammates involved much more naturally.
over legitimate NBA analysts.
Yeah, he is. Arenas gets turnovers and does a good job of getting boards and key defensive stops. And I believe he was recently ranked by Hollinger as the best combo guard in the game.
When did you become such a big NBA buff, Mandark? IIRC you never posted in the GA NBA threads. Interesting. :P
Plus, did you watch Kobe at all last year? I've seen singles tennis players pass to their teammates more.
Also, the real travesty is that the team could've had Gasol, but we drafted Kwame >:(
Also, looks like Eddie Jordan clinched the coaching gig for the All-Star game. That is pretty epic. When has that happened in Washington, Mandark? Never. Is Hell freezing over?
lock this poll as it lacks a mupepe optionMupepe doesn't make the posters around him better. Has FoC's game improved? Amnintenho's?
Yeah, the Wizards really need to lose another player in this time of crisis. Someone trade him for Gasol!