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General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: recursivelyenumerable on April 15, 2020, 03:00:40 PM

Title: here, have some stereotypical nerd musings, from me. you're welcome in advance.
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on April 15, 2020, 03:00:40 PM: I admit that I find the "simulation argument" fascinating to think about but what I always wondered is what distinguishes a "simulation" from a universe whose physics is sort of structured in something like abstraction layers as ours seems to be? i.e. can you say Newtonian physics is a "simulation" built on top of quantum field theory and general relativity which are "simulations" built on top of the true theory of quantum gravity and so on

and if not, then what exactly does need to hold for a given universe for it to be characterized as a simulation, is it just about the simulation having some creator with intentionality and so on ... or is it about the degree of integrity/isolation/leakiness of the simulation layers?
Title: Re: here, have some stereotypical nerd musings, from me. you're welcome in advance.
Post by: VomKriege on April 15, 2020, 03:20:36 PM: Yup, it's nerd musings alright.
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Post by: toku on April 15, 2020, 03:21:21 PM: It becomes a simulation when you become aware of another set of laws/physics/worlds that supersede or hold the currently viewed simulation in place.
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Post by: Nintex on April 15, 2020, 03:23:23 PM: Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on April 15, 2020, 03:00:40 PM
I admit that I find the "simulation argument" fascinating to think about but what I always wondered is what distinguishes a "simulation" from a universe whose physics is sort of structured in something like abstraction layers as ours seems to be? i.e. can you say Newtonian physics is a "simulation" built on top of quantum field theory and general relativity which are "simulations" built on top of the true theory of quantum gravity and so on

and if not, then what exactly does need to hold for a given universe for it to be characterized as a simulation, is it just about the simulation having some creator with intentionality and so on ... or is it about the degree of integrity/isolation/leakiness of the simulation layers?
(https://www.critical-theory.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Guardian-672x372.jpg)
Title: Re: here, have some stereotypical nerd musings, from me. you're welcome in advance.
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on April 15, 2020, 03:27:01 PM: yeah I haven't actually seen anyone else affect Zizekisms unironically (or even √2/2-ironically) so I thought I'd try and break new ground.
Title: Re: here, have some stereotypical nerd musings, from me. you're welcome in advance.
Post by: Nintex on April 15, 2020, 04:14:15 PM: Nothing goes undetected by me.

Am I monitoring the simulation?
Are we all monitoring the simulation?
Is your perception of me monitoring the simulation also the way monitor the simulation by itself? :thinking
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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on April 15, 2020, 05:30:13 PM: The answer can only be no to all of the above, because I haven't gotten around to implementing any observability features yet.
Title: Re: here, have some stereotypical nerd musings, from me. you're welcome in advance.
Post by: Nintex on April 15, 2020, 05:34:41 PM: But how can the simulation exist if no one or nothing can observe it.
Is it possible for something to exist if it cannot be observed by another entity?
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Post by: Great Rumbler on April 15, 2020, 06:09:55 PM: Look at this and tell me we ain't in a simulation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUtatDjX_i4
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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on April 15, 2020, 09:41:29 PM: Quote from: Nintex on April 15, 2020, 05:34:41 PM
But how can the simulation exist if no one or nothing can observe it.
Is it possible for something to exist if it cannot be observed by another entity?

they can observe that it exists, they just can't QA it for shit.
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Post by: Crash Dummy on April 16, 2020, 02:58:49 PM: You can’t know a thing in itself or something
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 16, 2020, 03:49:51 PM: we are all parallel tesseracts of a single asshole n-dimensional entity (where n > 3)

i am the projection of its utter dilettantry
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Post by: Crash Dummy on April 17, 2020, 11:57:37 AM: Quote from: hhkcvaoitsso on April 16, 2020, 03:54:57 PM
Quote from: Crash Dummy on April 16, 2020, 02:58:49 PM
You can’t know a thing in itself or something
The first essay in this book goes over the necessary Kant stuff so hurry up and read Nick Land with me :rage
Alrighty, just give me a day or two to finish up what I’m on now and I’ll dive in