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Title: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: Eschaton on April 27, 2020, 06:19:04 PM
been thinking about this for a while now since I've been watching more 60s-80s action movies. maybe it's a hangover from all the shitty marvel movies but i miss jank ass actors and stunt doubles going at it. every single action movie or movie with action in it has these 35 layer scenes that do too much. that's nice too sometimes (john wick) but less is more. that old sinojank :whew

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znPXlUgcMWA
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: curly on April 27, 2020, 06:22:48 PM
They've got higher production values now, I wouldn't call them good for the most part
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: curly on April 27, 2020, 06:25:18 PM
The virgin 100 million dollars to spend on CGI vs the chad 1 Chinese guy willing to get fucked up for his craft
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 27, 2020, 06:26:26 PM
Fury Road really made me reconsider what I thought was good, modern action. The long shots and editing in that film still blow me away. I went back and watched some of the Bourne films (specifically the third one) and...wasn't impressed anymore. Not sure I can ever go back to "20 edits/cuts in a 30 second sequence" action scenes.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCKhktcbfQM
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Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: nudemacusers on April 27, 2020, 06:27:00 PM
Good art is borne from constraint.
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: Nintex on April 27, 2020, 06:33:39 PM
we need some john woo up in this thread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyaF4C-AF-c
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: Himu on April 27, 2020, 06:41:58 PM
WHO WOULD WIN: live action remakes of animes with green screens and dozens of actors or one sword cut?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkkF6Zz67TE

one of the GOAT movie duels

Also fight scenes in movies now are far too elegant and rehearsed. I love it in wuxia but that's because it's wuxia. But these days even Hollywood fights feel rehearsed almost like a dance more than a fight.

Compare.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_Ypt67TQyI
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 27, 2020, 06:49:20 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-iSZZEFaOw

There's actually some physicality to the fight, vs it being two all-powerful dudes going at it nonstop until the end. A lot of 80s/90s action sequences had a general sense of exhaustion to them, like you weren't watching some superhuman who is impervious to basic shit like falling out of a moving vehicle/jumping through a window/fighting with a big ass sword/etc.
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 27, 2020, 06:50:30 PM
i think this take only works if you take elaborate choreography to be ‘good’. theres a whole generation of audiences that have no reference point for good action in film because everything is designed to suck the spontaneity out of a scene. even recent shit like john wick does this; look at that john woo scene nintex posted: theres 0 tension, you might as well be playing a corridor shooter. then look at the firefight in heat, that moment where the camera pans up and down w/ val kilmer as hes reloading is :gawd.

i watched that motorcycle chase sequence from T2 the other day for the first time in like 15 years and was floored by just how cool everything felt. everything breathes. analogous scenes nowadays wash over you with all the jump cuts and tight choreography, completely disengaging the viewer. unless theres some cool stunt shit, like that darth maul fight at the end of phantom menace, who cares?
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 27, 2020, 07:00:35 PM
A lot of 80s/90s action sequences had a general sense of exhaustion to them


:hmm

:ohhh

:dead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCenGKkj3YQ

The real GOAT fight scene:

https://youtu.be/ERmM5l2ceoY
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: Himu on April 27, 2020, 07:00:48 PM
The Matrix is still a gold standard for me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GSgWzmR_-c
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: Himu on April 27, 2020, 07:06:15 PM
One of my favorite aspects of Kurosawa's fight direction is the messiness of it. It completely lacks close ups a lot of the time. It's so far back and it feels like peering into the fight as an actual viewer from afar. I can't find clips, but one of my favorite cases was the raid on the bandit hideout in Seven Samurai.

But the final fight takes the cake. The ending with the kid on edge looking for for more bandits to kill, falling to his knees yowling in tears, mourning the man he looked up to being killed in battle is one of the most sobering experiences I've had while watching an action scene. The entire direction shows a clear salient effect on the nature of battle.

Rashomon's ending fight is a full embodiment of all of this.

https://youtu.be/OrPBrBhwZ9s
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 27, 2020, 07:13:35 PM
Imagine a modern Die Hard remake, where John McClain doesn't have to recharge his stamina bar by resting in random elevator vents and talking to Carl Winslow. The mere thought disgusts me.
 :oreilly

Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 27, 2020, 07:16:50 PM
Just look at the later-day Die Hard sequels, they're terrible. :scust
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: Himu on April 27, 2020, 07:20:30 PM
Imagine a modern Die Hard remake, where John McClain doesn't have to recharge his stamina bar by resting in random elevator vents and talking to Carl Winslow. The mere thought disgusts me.
 :oreilly

In the latest Die Hard, McClain is a fucking superman. One of the great things about the first few films was that he was a vulnerable every man.
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: Mandark on April 27, 2020, 07:29:58 PM
Certain amount of survivorship bias going on. Not everything was Kurosawa or the bike chase in T2.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5xdfda
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 27, 2020, 07:39:30 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OPyoJgV_YY

GOAT
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: team filler on April 27, 2020, 07:42:08 PM
live action and animated action merged, it wasn't for the better  :-\
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: team filler on April 27, 2020, 07:43:24 PM
think I'd prefer hand drawn animated action scenes in live action movies to cg shitfests tbh  :expert
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: VomKriege on April 27, 2020, 07:43:27 PM
They've got higher production values now, I wouldn't call them good for the most part

Pretty much this.
Works for lighting, grading and a lot of other aspects.

It's pure bias but something has been lost in translation with the digital. You can do a lot of great stuff with it, and I appreciate that. It's also a lot safer and is it really bad ? Overall I don't think it's on average better. In fact I think a lot of it is really unfocused and extravagant (not in a good way). Things got better as far as grading is concerned, I think artists became a lot more sensible with it after a decade of churning ugly shit just because they could. Hopefully will be true for VFX too.
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 27, 2020, 07:51:07 PM
Most of the big movies right now are just live-action 80s kids cartoons, not in a good way.

But ocassionally you get one that still looks really good, like Battle Angel Alita:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eS-4T37xOQY
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 27, 2020, 07:52:25 PM
I just want to take this moment to say the only MCU film I've seen is the first Iron Man. My dedication to true cinema and real action films is unquestioned.

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Unforgiven is still a 7/10
 :fabulous
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Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 27, 2020, 08:04:48 PM
I feel a lot of what you consider “good action” is dependent upon your emotional investment in the movie/characters.

It’s really rare for me to watch a bad movie that has amazing action scenes. If you’re not emotionally invested in the outcome or the stakes, then the action is just going to feel toothless. That’s the common knock on movies like Transformers or War of the Worlds.

Everyone carries on about the battle scenes in LOTR, but they are largely bland set pieces that are pretty pedestrian. But because people were so emotionally invested in the movie (deservedly so), then those scene resonate more.
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: Mandark on April 27, 2020, 08:05:48 PM
I just want to take this moment to say the only MCU film I've seen is the first Iron Man. My dedication to true cinema and real action films is unquestioned.

You should watch Winter Soldier.
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: toku on April 27, 2020, 08:16:40 PM
No one real answer but someone of you have touched on whats missing in a lot of AAA movies. You don't care about the characters so the action is weak, not enough use of practical fx or sets so you get lost in the action, nothing is grounded and also sometimes some actors just can't sell action. I think it was some of the into the badlands bts that talked about this but they were talking one of the things you learnin HK cinema is how to master your facial expressions during the fight. You learn to build a kind of fight charisma. You see that in a lot of the classic stuff Esch linked.


Lately I've been kinda nostalgic for the slow mo kick shit from the 90s. Van Damme as big as he was will always feel a little underrated to me. Like he could have been even bigger you know? A tinge of sadness in his career.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppxu7mlQHWE
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: toku on April 27, 2020, 08:27:39 PM
No one real answer but someone of you have touched on whats missing in a lot of AAA movies. You don't care about the characters so the action is weak, not enough use of practical fx or sets so you get lost in the action, nothing is grounded and also sometimes some actors just can't sell action. I think it was some of the into the badlands bts that talked about this but they were talking one of the things you learnin HK cinema is how to master your facial expressions during the fight. You learn to build a kind of fight charisma. You see that in a lot of the classic stuff Esch linked.

I specifically referenced Highlander because I watched the movie with the SO yesterday (she hadnt seen it before, i hadnt seen it in like 10 years) and we were both struck by how narrow the movie is in terms of set pieces, scope, even characters developed but it just has dope aesthetics and character types, TBH the action is even pretty bad but The Kurgan and The Highlander rivalry is just so campy and enjoyable in its simplicity, you gotta love it. Love that 80s movie death grudge trope in action movies just like Bloodsport, or Terminator where the contradiction can only be resolved by direct struggle. I never want to see another joss whedon fail AIDS quipfest in my life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cf6SaA-Kdro

It just hits every emotion man, thats what a good action movie does if we get real lol. Highlander you get the triple whammy because you have fucking Queen on the score like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Jtpf8N5IDE

you hear that come in a little and you're just like fuck christopher lambert you alien sounding motherfucker i cant believe im gonna tear up over your goofy ass
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: headwalk on April 27, 2020, 08:28:06 PM
i know the "it's like watching a cutscene" is a hackneyed criticism at that point, but it still holds true for me. the point where i can almost hear the render nodes chugging away is when i mentally switch off.

fury road is the gold standard in how to have the most insane shit on screen and still feel rooted in physical reality.
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: team filler on April 27, 2020, 08:34:12 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/pdGlM7n.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/roF7JJO.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/wp2bILG.jpg) :whew
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: toku on April 27, 2020, 08:37:22 PM
i know the "it's like watching a cutscene" is a hackneyed criticism at that point, but it still holds true for me. the point where i can almost hear the render nodes chugging away is when i mentally switch off.

fury road is the gold standard in how to have the most insane shit on screen and still feel rooted in physical reality.

I think it's a big part of why SE Asia/Gareth Edwards are the dudes being copied rn I think. They understand you can get crazy and fantastical with it, but you still have to sell the idea of bodies getting chewed up. Winter Soldier wouldn't be anywhere near where it is rn if Russo Bros hadn't seen The Raid a year prior:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8Q3NiafxPs
https://youtu.be/-HNU_JbSQ2k
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: Himu on April 27, 2020, 08:40:04 PM
My dad and I tuned into Highlander the tv show all the fucking time.

You know what I miss? Adult action like The Fugitive.
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 27, 2020, 08:45:59 PM
I'd almost forgotten about it, but Birds of Prey had some pretty decent action scenes with little CG:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHMF_ZQMd4Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7s1iL-TMDI
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: toku on April 27, 2020, 08:47:19 PM
TBH i wonder if a lot of this is just that the B/C range of hollywood movies and TV seems to be dead and lives only on in the spectre of netflix and maybe that's really what I'm celebrating here. But even a lot of that stuff is overly refined and bland.

E: and like toku pointed out a lot of movies in this range are just being made in the third world now.

Like I think Ex? Said earlier, part of an element of good film making is working in a tight budget but this seems even doubly so for action? Even in HK where they can get money to shoot a flat out kung-fu movie their work culture is totally different. They're still gonna shoot it on the cheap and in lik 20 days lol.

A good western example of this is Scott Adkins and Avengement he did last year. It's probably the cheapest movie he's done even as king of martial arts dvd joints, but he's said they shot in like 17 days which was crazy for him as well. They basically had to find 3-4 locations, and start shooting immediately. The result is probably his best film and I'm a big fan of his work. It's easily his best actual acting he's ever done, but it's also the first time he's also done as much violence as well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIrW3RjJAso

but again this is all an action movie needs to be, a tight 90 minute journey with a couple emotional beats behind the punching
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on April 27, 2020, 08:51:03 PM
is this really a hot take, thought it had been the standard film nerd line for a long time? anyway sorry everyone but I still like CGI vomit. physical reality isn't real anyway, as the matrix taught us, hence the floodgates irreversibly opening immediately after that film's release to gift us with endless raging rivers of sweet sweet cgi vomit.
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: toku on April 27, 2020, 08:53:49 PM

It just hits every emotion man, thats what a good action movie does if we get real lol. Highlander you get the triple whammy because you have fucking Queen on the score like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Jtpf8N5IDE

you hear that come in a little and you're just like fuck christopher lambert you alien sounding motherfucker i cant believe im gonna tear up over your goofy ass


Exactly lol. Chris Lambert is a terrible actor, fuck half these dudes are terrible actors but they build up the beef and tension to a point where it has to be resolved. in a way its 1000 times more anime than all these iaijutsu inspired western action scenes, like the brains of these guys see the ninja sword moves and think that's what it's about but 99 percent of the time who cares? One movie that i think kinda married the two was Ninja Assassin, maybe its a little TOO generic for guys like us who've watched so many action movies and weeb games where we dislike a glossed up version because it's really just an amalgam of all the cult shit we love

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhYH26KTNbQ

Loved NA! its SUPER cheesy and campy in a way I don't think ppl were ready for. Shit feels like a straight up modern sequel to all those 80s ninja movies. Also one the few movies I'm okay with CGI blood. Only two ways to do cgi blood imo, is David Fincher I can't believe that was cgi kinda usage, or you go hyper stylized anime shit like Ninja Assassin does. Most tend to half ass it with little fake sprayed on spurts and shit in post. He did it in V for Vendetta as well. I think the used to be second unit director for the Wachowskis? He definitely soaked up some game.
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 27, 2020, 11:57:51 PM
Oh god don't get me started on CGI blood!

Remember when they CG'ed blood into The Expendables because it was originally supposed to be PG-13? :lol
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: toku on April 28, 2020, 12:16:22 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwRpSq7GUiA

One of the best fights filmed imo, MJW gonna go to his grave underrated and it's a shame. Nobody in the game has ever and will ever throw kicks like him. IN TIMBS nicca

legend

but look how simple but effective this fight is. Even if you haven't seen the move, zero context you know everything you need to by the setting and how they fight. You know exactly where these characters are mentally
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: Akala on April 28, 2020, 12:17:50 AM
GOAT remains:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74OBuMA2qEk&ab_channel=NoahAldoreh
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: toku on April 28, 2020, 12:23:23 AM
Could waste a whole thread on the hk legends tbh. Sammo Hung birthed entire generations and careers...multiple times. Also shoutout to HK action cinema showing women, both asian and white more decent love before than anywhere else I can think of

https://youtu.be/HCsEFbDVZww

cynthia rothrock > ms marvel wack cape shit

:tocry
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: thisismyusername on April 28, 2020, 12:34:52 AM
I mean, it's possible. But liability insurance/etc. would hate that person. :doge
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: team filler on April 28, 2020, 12:47:33 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/pdGlM7n.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/roF7JJO.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/wp2bILG.jpg) :whew
I watched no retreat no surrender and shaolin chastity kung fu too many times to count. recently found a torrent for the american cut of no retreat, but chastity kung fu I can only find some alternate cut that's missing stuff from the vhs I grew up with  :-\
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: remy on April 28, 2020, 12:54:59 AM
Could waste a whole thread on the hk legends tbh. Sammo Hung birthed entire generations and careers...multiple times. Also shoutout to HK action cinema showing women, both asian and white more decent love before than anywhere else I can think of

https://youtu.be/HCsEFbDVZww

cynthia rothrock > ms marvel wack cape shit

:tocry


dude that bit with him catching the sword sheathe and her slicing it  :aah
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: EchoRin on April 28, 2020, 12:55:26 AM
My dad and I tuned into Highlander the tv show all the fucking time.

You know what I miss? Adult action like The Fugitive.
Looooove The Fugitive. Two grown ass greying men who ain't fighters duking it out on a subway and one of them has a fake arm for pete's sake lol.
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: BIONIC on April 28, 2020, 02:30:52 AM
You still get some real good shit like the John Wick movies. Even stuff like Birds of Prey and Polar (Netflix movie) have pretty decent action.

One of my favorite 90s fight scenes though is this:

https://youtu.be/H0ScNLt2zNc

The fucking raw physicality and emotion is just  :lawd  Goddamn classic movie.
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: StealthFan on April 28, 2020, 03:02:51 AM
Watch RE:Born. No budget MGS
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: naff on April 28, 2020, 08:49:22 AM

The real GOAT fight scene:

https://youtu.be/ERmM5l2ceoY

came here thinking of this. so dramatic :heartbeat

i need drama to care about the action. an extreme example, but one of my favs :whew
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-VxyEjPlRU
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: naff on April 28, 2020, 08:58:13 AM
is it bad how satisfying i found cliff booth killing the mansons?  :doge  :lawd
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: EchoRin on April 28, 2020, 09:00:04 AM
is it bad how satisfying i found cliff booth killing the mansons?  :doge  :lawd

Self defense  :idont
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: naff on April 28, 2020, 09:04:03 AM
are you not ENTERTAINED  :preach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GcHaAVj1PI&t=38s
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 28, 2020, 12:35:43 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St8iEpkcDJc
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: Himu on April 28, 2020, 12:53:04 PM
Jackie Chan is still the GOAT.
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: Tasty on April 28, 2020, 01:04:30 PM
Hot take: we need more faux-classy erotic thrillers. Where's the Basic Instinct of the '10s?  :juicy
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: Himu on April 28, 2020, 01:08:04 PM
My dad and I tuned into Highlander the tv show all the fucking time.

You know what I miss? Adult action like The Fugitive.
Looooove The Fugitive. Two grown ass greying men who ain't fighters duking it out on a subway and one of them has a fake arm for pete's sake lol.

And shit like Speed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8piqd2BWeGI

Still my favorite action film of all time. I'm pretty sure i saw that movie at least 7 times with my dad in theaters.
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: StealthFan on April 28, 2020, 01:22:14 PM
Speed  :ohyeah
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: toku on April 28, 2020, 01:22:22 PM
Hot take: we need more faux-classy erotic thrillers. Where's the Basic Instinct of the '10s?  :juicy

Yeah the sexy thriller basically died in the 90s. If there was ever time for it to make a resurgence though, I think now is it.
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 28, 2020, 01:47:02 PM
Fun Fact: Basic Instinct 2 came out 14 years after the original. That was 14 years ago.
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: mormapope on April 28, 2020, 01:53:16 PM
https://youtu.be/oEFPcljAXgs
https://youtu.be/ChfP21iMX9k
https://youtu.be/0DKX-2pa-UE
https://youtu.be/d9_n6wwkIHM
https://youtu.be/C167s9nEHRU

Tom Cruise's best action role by far.

Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: toku on April 28, 2020, 01:57:57 PM
tasty gotta become a big time hollywood director so he can remake this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WBdyJAihWI
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 28, 2020, 02:10:40 PM
Hot take: we need more faux-classy erotic thrillers. Where's the Basic Instinct of the '10s?  :juicy

I can’t wait until REE discovers these movies. “Sharon Stone shows off her what?!” :shaking
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: Nintex on April 28, 2020, 02:14:12 PM
Collateral is fantastic  :preach
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: team filler on April 28, 2020, 03:13:43 PM
instead of showgirls we get movies like hustlers  ::)
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: Himu on April 28, 2020, 04:38:51 PM
Collateral :rejoice
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: Himu on April 28, 2020, 04:41:42 PM
What are your opinions on heist films, people?
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: Nintex on April 28, 2020, 04:49:52 PM
What are your opinions on heist films, people?
My opinion is that I fuckin' hate pikey's and it's always Boris the sneaky fucking Russian
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: Momo on April 28, 2020, 05:05:38 PM
I blame The Bourne movies 100% for the decline in action movies
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: Mandark on April 28, 2020, 06:24:05 PM
What are your opinions on heist films, people?

Best genre.
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: Tasty on April 28, 2020, 06:32:19 PM
Fun Fact: Basic Instinct 2 came out 14 years after the original. That was 14 years ago.

I remember thinking Basic Instinct 2 would have been fine if they had recast David Morissey, somehow had 2020 de-aging technology for Sharon Stone, and kept in all the deleted scenes.
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: Tasty on April 28, 2020, 06:32:37 PM
I blame The Bourne movies 100% for the decline in action movies

Bourne is good. Supremacy is fantastic. :lawd
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: naff on April 29, 2020, 06:17:50 AM
I recently watched all of Mann's movies. Hadn't seen Thief. James Caan was great. The end, while badass felt a little unnecessary though.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Getting rid of his wife and kid so unceremoniously to keep them safe, then adopting a scorched earth strategy excising the threat and just walking away. A strong finish in many ways, but then it seems unnecessary to have thrown away his dream life since the threat no longer existed. Loved the collage picture he'd assembled like something you make in primary school summarising his life goals  :lol
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Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: Himu on April 29, 2020, 10:09:19 AM
What are your opinions on heist films, people?

They're ok but my brain recently shut off when I tried to watch American Hustle. Dunno if i can do another White Guy Crime Movie again. The world has progressed past the need for Scorcese and things like Scorcese.

Scorsese is my favorite director so this stings
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: Himu on April 29, 2020, 10:11:04 AM
Exodus: I also Stan Michael Mann. Have you seen Miami vice tv show? The movie is a dud.
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: eleuin on April 29, 2020, 10:20:14 AM
Always makes me ctfu with it's blatant disregard for Innocents
https://youtu.be/3wYCh5nxyCI
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: nachobro on April 29, 2020, 10:23:49 AM
They're ok but my brain recently shut off when I tried to watch American Hustle. Dunno if i can do another White Guy Crime Movie again. The world has progressed past the need for Scorcese and things like Scorcese.
using a pretty terrible example to make that point :lol
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: Himu on April 29, 2020, 11:16:11 AM
You should watch Oceans 11, Esch.
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: Steve Contra on April 29, 2020, 11:36:14 AM
What are your opinions on heist films, people?

They're ok but my brain recently shut off when I tried to watch American Hustle. Dunno if i can do another White Guy Crime Movie again. The world has progressed past the need for Scorcese and things like Scorcese.
just reading about The Irishman makes me want to go to sleep. What was the last interesting thing Scorsese did? The Aviator?
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: nachobro on April 29, 2020, 11:38:00 AM
wolf of wall street was quite good. supposedly silence was too but i never saw it.
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: Himu on April 29, 2020, 11:39:48 AM
What are your opinions on heist films, people?

They're ok but my brain recently shut off when I tried to watch American Hustle. Dunno if i can do another White Guy Crime Movie again. The world has progressed past the need for Scorcese and things like Scorcese.
just reading about The Irishman makes me want to go to sleep. What was the last interesting thing Scorsese did? The Aviator?

(https://i.imgur.com/4BJcOYO.gif)

The Departed
Shutter Island
Wolf of Wall Street
Hugo
Silence

Shutter Island >>>>>>> Inception
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: Steve Contra on April 29, 2020, 11:48:09 AM
What are your opinions on heist films, people?

They're ok but my brain recently shut off when I tried to watch American Hustle. Dunno if i can do another White Guy Crime Movie again. The world has progressed past the need for Scorcese and things like Scorcese.
just reading about The Irishman makes me want to go to sleep. What was the last interesting thing Scorsese did? The Aviator?

(https://i.imgur.com/4BJcOYO.gif)

The Departed
Shutter Island
Wolf of Wall Street
Hugo
Silence

Shutter Island >>>>>>> Inception
none of those were good, and the departed is such trash.
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: Himu on April 29, 2020, 11:51:32 AM
Fuck you.
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: Steve Contra on April 29, 2020, 11:55:35 AM
 :-*
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: Steve Contra on April 29, 2020, 12:17:56 PM
American Hustle was so...bland. My future wife Amy Adams is in it though so I forgive it.

Jesus, I just looked up the cast. Jennifer Lawrence, Bradley Cooper and Jeremy Renner? Those three are like the textbook definition of white people not having to work too hard to get by.
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: EchoRin on April 29, 2020, 12:28:09 PM
Best thing about American Hustle is this:

https://youtu.be/-zbeZLCbJ10
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: VomKriege on April 29, 2020, 08:11:08 PM
Miami Vice the TV show has some good things in it. If you're sensible to 80 aesthetics you'll get plenty out of it (music tracks and actors passing by), occasionally brilliant visually, never a bore story-wise.

The film... has great visuals. It's a bit all over the place otherwise.
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on April 29, 2020, 09:12:15 PM
i've never seen the departed and don't really even know what it's about, but i know enough to have the correct opinion that the rat is good actually. or at least this opinion was correct circa 2018, i haven't really kept up since.
Title: Re: hot take: action scenes are too good now
Post by: Himu on April 29, 2020, 09:34:16 PM
The Departed isn't as good as Infernal Affairs but :yeshrug I still like it