I was chatting to someone about the bullshit jump in the last mission the other week :stahp
My favourite part was how they took out anything that was fun
two things about GTA4:
1) they deliberately made all of the regular car handling for shit because a designer wanted to make the top end cars "feel better" so the driving for most of the game is - by design - unfun
2) all of the 10/10s the game got were because they flew all the journos out to a fancy hotel and plied them with food and drink and they reviewed it based on something like 4 hours of playtime, all supervised by PR handlers
probably the single most overrated game ever released. Even something like bioshock infinite you can have a conversation about what it did that was at least interesting.
My favourite part was how they took out anything that was fun
Yep. I was playing Saint's Row 2 and laughing my friggin ass off iirc
GTA IV is fine. The backlash it received is just a reaction to the amount of critical praise it got. Nobody would be trashing the game if it would have received 8s and 9s like it deserved.
III and Vice City are also borderline unplayable today. So it's really not that weird. Those dudes that say IV is still good are just the new version of people that think 3 and VC are still good.
The thing is, the Renderware era games (3-SA) aged like shit in terms of controls.
The thing is, the Renderware era games (3-SA) aged like shit in terms of controls.
play with KBM.
people in their 20s think the star wars prequels were unironically good films :snobI feel attacked
I feel attacked
Best GTA after 3 and Vice City. Best driving model/car system.
The thing is, the Renderware era games (3-SA) aged like shit in terms of controls.
play with KBM.
Nah, I played the X-box ports originally. So X-box controller is muscle memory. The aiming back then sucked shit.
Even the electronic music station (something that's usually strong in the GTA series) was a disappointment. You get the legendary Francois Kevorkian on board and the best you can do is mid-2000s bloghouse?
The thing is, the Renderware era games (3-SA) aged like shit in terms of controls.
play with KBM.
Nah, I played the X-box ports originally. So X-box controller is muscle memory. The aiming back then sucked shit.
The thing is, the Renderware era games (3-SA) aged like shit in terms of controls.
play with KBM.
Nah, I played the X-box ports originally. So X-box controller is muscle memory. The aiming back then sucked shit.
So there are superior versions and you refuse to play them. Gotcha.
The thing is, the Renderware era games (3-SA) aged like shit in terms of controls.
play with KBM.
Nah, I played the X-box ports originally. So X-box controller is muscle memory. The aiming back then sucked shit.
So there are superior versions and you refuse to play them. Gotcha.
Does the mouse really fix the terrible camera/aiming system, though? :hmm
Doesn't kbm use keyboard for camera controls still? No free camera movement while driving?
The thing is, the Renderware era games (3-SA) aged like shit in terms of controls.
play with KBM.
Nah, I played the X-box ports originally. So X-box controller is muscle memory. The aiming back then sucked shit.
So there are superior versions and you refuse to play them. Gotcha.
Does the mouse really fix the terrible camera/aiming system, though? :hmm
I said literally kbm. On pc you do not lock on. You just shoot like an fps or tps.
Doesn't kbm use keyboard for camera controls still? No free camera movement while driving?
The thing is, the Renderware era games (3-SA) aged like shit in terms of controls.
play with KBM.
Nah, I played the X-box ports originally. So X-box controller is muscle memory. The aiming back then sucked shit.
So there are superior versions and you refuse to play them. Gotcha.
Does the mouse really fix the terrible camera/aiming system, though? :hmm
I said literally kbm. On pc you do not lock on. You just shoot like an fps or tps.
A game so forgettable that many people poured into this thread to hate on it :doge
You can call GTA IV shitty, but it isn't forgettable. I think something gamers should do a lot more often is instead of propping up personal negative feelings like they're meaningful analysis and criticism, and instead ask....why do people enjoy this game?
A game so forgettable that many people poured into this thread to hate on it :doge
You can call GTA IV shitty, but it isn't forgettable. I think something gamers should do a lot more often is instead of propping up personal negative feelings like they're meaningful analysis and criticism, and instead ask....why do people enjoy this game?
People are talking about it because it's pertinent to thread discussion.
:confused
PC games in third person don't have 'camera control' buttons, there's a mouse
Remember
OSCAR-CALIBER WRITING
?
:confused
PC games in third person don't have 'camera control' buttons, there's a mouse
Uh yeah except for GTA Vice City and 3 which iirc used camera control buttons and controlled like dog shit.
https://gtaforums.com/topic/896122-classic-axis-visual-camera-improvements/
I'm on my work PC right now but I'm pretty sure free camera has to be modded in.
This mod also adds the ability to control the camera with your mouse while driving, SA was the first one to have that feature on PC. Playing 3 and VC feels so jank on a pc.:confused
PC games in third person don't have 'camera control' buttons, there's a mouse
Uh yeah except for GTA Vice City and 3 which iirc used camera control buttons and controlled like dog shit.
https://gtaforums.com/topic/896122-classic-axis-visual-camera-improvements/
I'm on my work PC right now but I'm pretty sure free camera has to be modded in.
Isn't that mod for 'character mode' free camera, not vehicles? Hence the need for a lock on, as you're no longer aiming where the camera is pointing at all times?
(https://www.en.magicgameworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/1-81.png)Lmao using the numpad while driving.
Quote(https://www.en.magicgameworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/1-81.png)Lmao using the numpad while driving.
You guys play these games for gameplay?
I just ride around and listen to music
GTA4 in the very moment it was released was pretty wild. It was a bit of a holy shit moment. I can see why it was getting praised left and right. It wasn't until a year later that the "next gen GTA" polish wore off and the flaws became more clear.
A game so forgettable that many people poured into this thread to hate on it :doge
You can call GTA IV shitty, but it isn't forgettable. I think something gamers should do a lot more often is instead of propping up personal negative feelings like they're meaningful analysis and criticism, and instead ask....why do people enjoy this game?
People are talking about it because it's pertinent to thread discussion.
It's good to see you've become the ultimate GTA gatekeeper and have taken in all internets into your mind, to conclude that yes, GTA IV is forgettable. Based on evidence that is definitely not anecdotal or subjective. :doge
How do you measure "forgettable"? Is it based on shitty resetera threads or is it based on reddit posts? 4chan posts?
I'd argue truly forgettable games are probably mobile or indie games that two people globally have downloaded, not a game that sold millions of copies.
I see it's been covered, but this game sucked so much major ass it's insane. It single handedly made me ignore review scores for any game going forward, so some good came out of it.
GTA SA is one of my favorite games ever, I still play and enjoy the shit out of it. And they followed it up on way better tech with the highest budget a game could have with a fucking cellphone interrupting you and fucking up what is usually the same trash mission layout over and over.
A game so forgettable that many people poured into this thread to hate on it :doge
You can call GTA IV shitty, but it isn't forgettable. I think something gamers should do a lot more often is instead of propping up personal negative feelings like they're meaningful analysis and criticism, and instead ask....why do people enjoy this game?
People are talking about it because it's pertinent to thread discussion.
It's good to see you've become the ultimate GTA gatekeeper and have taken in all internets into your mind, to conclude that yes, GTA IV is forgettable. Based on evidence that is definitely not anecdotal or subjective. :doge
How do you measure "forgettable"? Is it based on shitty resetera threads or is it based on reddit posts? 4chan posts?
I'd argue truly forgettable games are probably mobile or indie games that two people globally have downloaded, not a game that sold millions of copies.
It's good to see you've become the ultimate GTA gatekeeper and have taken in all internets into your mind, to conclude that yes, GTA IV is forgettable. Based on evidence that is definitely not anecdotal or subjective. :doge
How do you measure "forgettable"? Is it based on shitty resetera threads or is it based on reddit posts? 4chan posts?
I'd argue truly forgettable games are probably mobile or indie games that two people globally have downloaded, not a game that sold millions of copies.
San Andreas is still the best. Even though it's fugly as fuck it hits a sweet spot as far as world scope and Rockstar charm. IV just felt sterile.
It wasn't until a year later that the "next gen GTA" polish wore off and the flaws became more clear.
It wasn't until a year later that the "next gen GTA" polish wore off and the flaws became more clear.
Nah, I made a post two days after release about how I realized that GTAIV wasn't as good as Saints Row or Crackdown. :trumps
A game so forgettable that many people poured into this thread to hate on it :doge
You can call GTA IV shitty, but it isn't forgettable. I think something gamers should do a lot more often is instead of propping up personal negative feelings like they're meaningful analysis and criticism, and instead ask....why do people enjoy this game?
People are talking about it because it's pertinent to thread discussion.
It's good to see you've become the ultimate GTA gatekeeper and have taken in all internets into your mind, to conclude that yes, GTA IV is forgettable. Based on evidence that is definitely not anecdotal or subjective. :doge
How do you measure "forgettable"? Is it based on shitty resetera threads or is it based on reddit posts? 4chan posts?
I'd argue truly forgettable games are probably mobile or indie games that two people globally have downloaded, not a game that sold millions of copies.
It's probably been years since the last time I thought about GTA4 and only thought about it now because I saw this thread.
Indeed, Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots shatters the proverbial bar, becoming a technical, cinematic and gaming standard that future action and stealth titles will be judged by. It's been a long time coming, but this game is a true classic and a masterpiece from Hideo Kojima, Kojima Productions and Konami.
Metal Gear Solid 4 is an awe-inspiring synthesis of dramatic storytelling and entertaining gameplay. ... It's also a fine example of storytelling prowess within its medium, combining gameplay and narrative so slickly and beautifully that it's impossible to extricate one from the other.
As the crowning achievement of the series' 20-year history, Hideo Kojima's final Metal Gear Solid title may not be what you expect, but it is everything you could hope for in a video game.
The most satisfying entry in the entire series. Its scope and emotion are heretofore unmatched in the medium of videogaming (my sister and I were literally screaming at the screen during the climax in a high-temperature corridor), it wraps up two decades of series mythology, and what gameplay there is, is damned satisfying in how it complements the story."
The trifecta of disappointment: MGS4, FFXIII, and GTAIV. Never again.
You guys play these games for gameplay?
I just ride around and listen to music
The trifecta of disappointment: MGS4, FFXIII, and GTAIV. Never again.
Didn't you kickstart shenmue 3?
:umad
To Rockstar's credit, Red Dead Redemption coming out two years later and immediately being a classic, rectified negative feelings about GTA IV.
Mainline, single player Final Fantasy hasn't been beloved arguably since FFVII Remake (FFXV has a lot of criticism from a lot of people). Metal Gear wasn't back in full force until MGSV. Metal Gear Rising and the HD collection were the only great Metal Gear things since Subsistence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWVtZJo-HqI
its controls are clunky because it was for the PSP, but if you could play MonHun you can play PW.
It was the game that introduced Fultonning into the series, which as everyone now knows after MGSV is the second most fun mechanic in the MGS series.
(The first is holdups, introduced in MGS2)
Yes this delay is infuriating. The design choice is also weird since the game is so arcadey already!
I don't remember it being an issue in Max Payne 3 though, maybe overall the shooting was so good that I didn't notice.
Peacewalker is basically irrelevant now that mgsv exists tbh. It threw out the story, level design, and bosses wholeheartedly, but the upside was that it came with a wacky terrorist warlord sim attached to it. MGSV does that same offshore warlord sim stuff with actual not-psp money thrown at it and as such peace walker just comes off like a proof of concept.
its controls are clunky because it was for the PSP, but if you could play MonHun you can play PW.
It was the game that introduced Fultonning into the series, which as everyone now knows after MGSV is the second most fun mechanic in the MGS series.
(The first is holdups, introduced in MGS2)
Portable Ops had Fultonning before Peace Walker.
everyone who likes metal gear must go play ghost babel. all supposed fans are posers until they complete it and appreciate its majesty
What'd you throw against the wall instead?
I think one reason GTAIV has been forgotten is that it was never re-released this generation. V has been so they continue to live. But IV is I, 2, and London status to most people partly because it feels like Rockstar considers it lesser. Even R* treats V with more respect and care. That's not to say Gta online doesn't a part in that but are you telling me GTAIV wouldn't benefit from a next gen port with more stable frame rate and better graphics? Yet nothing. Nada. Only V gets the love.
I hate IV too but V is like the most successful entertainment product of all time and still makes more money than anything else. So yeah, of course it does.
I know no one cares but:
GTAIV has all the hallmarks of a great game, but within hours of booting it up it was already frustrating as fuck.
-No easy way to restart missions in a normal way
-fucking social calls all the time
-crap controls
Now I know that the restart thing was fixed later if I'm correct but at launch this game was poo poo beyond the great city etc.
That said ALL Rockstar games have horrible controls and there really is no excuse anymore post PS2 (where the novelty of the open world masked this issues to a large degree). RDR2, GTA5, all the shooting controls like dogshit. To this day I am amazed they can churn out these 200 million dollar games with such bad and unfun controls. Like hire one person that worked on a 3tps like gears or uncharted and fix this shit plz.
They are going for some faux realism I guess but it doesnt feel natural, the button layout and mechanics are shit and its just NOT FUN.
The point is, the monetization model is different. GTA V Online makes giant screaming wodges of cash for Rockstar, while GTA IV's online modes have no additional monetization. Putting out something equivalent that makes them no money and requires work to do so seems like a non-starter.
I /will/ concede that I'd also like to play in Liberty City. Especially with the improved controls of V over IV's. I'm just telling you, as a guy who's worked in game development for 25 years, why it's not going to happen while they're still making money on GTA Online.
The point is, the monetization model is different. GTA V Online makes giant screaming wodges of cash for Rockstar, while GTA IV's online modes have no additional monetization. Putting out something equivalent that makes them no money and requires work to do so seems like a non-starter.
I /will/ concede that I'd also like to play in Liberty City. Especially with the improved controls of V over IV's. I'm just telling you, as a guy who's worked in game development for 25 years, why it's not going to happen while they're still making money on GTA Online.
Holy fuck.
GTAIV with IV more (euphoria) and V mode with V like controls would be GODLIKE