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Title: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: G The Resurrected on July 24, 2020, 12:26:12 PM
https://www.gematsu.com/2020/07/suikoden-creators-announce-rpg-eiyuden-chronicle-hundred-heroes-for-ps5-xbox-series-x-switch-and-pc (https://www.gematsu.com/2020/07/suikoden-creators-announce-rpg-eiyuden-chronicle-hundred-heroes-for-ps5-xbox-series-x-switch-and-pc)

https://youtu.be/Q0hL-mXHc6c

DAY FUCKING ONE!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdtBpS1XYAAsxpF?format=png&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdtBCueXkAA4qdl?format=png&name=large)

I told myself no more kickstarters, but for this I'm making an exception
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: demi on July 24, 2020, 12:32:58 PM
System Design and Direction: Osamu Komuta (Suikoden Tierkreis, Suikoden Tactics, Arca Last)

Hmm....
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Himu on July 24, 2020, 12:33:48 PM
Fuck yes.

Came here to post this.
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 24, 2020, 12:34:49 PM
Really like the graphical style, like an amped up Octopath.
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Himu on July 24, 2020, 12:34:57 PM
I am creaming. I'm screaming at my monitor in JOY. The trailer. THE TRAILER! Suikoden!

:brazilcry :klob
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: demi on July 24, 2020, 12:35:45 PM
I'll buy it when it releases. I don't back kickstarters, sorry
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Svejk on July 24, 2020, 12:37:29 PM
Quote from: demi on July 24, 2020, 12:32:58 PM
System Design and Direction: Osamu Komuta (Suikoden Tierkreis, Suikoden Tactics, Arca Last)

Hmm....
:kobeyuck
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Himu on July 24, 2020, 12:37:58 PM
THE BATTLE SYSTEM LOOKS LIKE MODERN SUIKODEN ON CRACK

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Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: G The Resurrected on July 24, 2020, 12:44:25 PM
The recent push by Japanese developers/publishers to Kickstarter seems so off. I'm not a fan of the model, and while I'm knowledgable of the business reasons behind going this route. I'm not any more enthused by it one bit.

That being said, this looks really well polished and something that seems like a safe bet. I hope they show more of the gameplay in a few days when the Kickstarter launches.

I like Tactics don't @ me
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Himu on July 24, 2020, 12:45:33 PM
suikoden tactics is good.

suikoden tierkries only sucks because they took an established world and history and dumped it. When I think of Tierkries, system and design is definitely what I think of what I consider what I don't like about it.
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Svejk on July 24, 2020, 12:50:23 PM
Being a kickstarter, if you're a so and so top tier supporter, have your image taken and become one of the top 10 selected Heroes!!!1!1!1   :doge

Quote from: Cindi Mayweather on July 24, 2020, 12:45:33 PM
suikoden tactics is good.

suikoden tierkries only sucks because they took an established world and history and dumped it. When I think of Tierkries, system and design is definitely what I think of what I consider what I don't like about it.
I never tried tactics, but yeah, Tierkries seemed to have potential, but too many things held it back.
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: paprikastaude on July 24, 2020, 12:59:19 PM
Oh, Kickstarter. :larry
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: bork on July 24, 2020, 01:01:59 PM
I am liking this trend of ex-Konami devs making new games that are just like the titles Konami doesn't want to make anymore.  Please keep doing this!
:itagaki
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Yulwei on July 24, 2020, 01:23:46 PM
Kickstarter and the nicca who designed tierkreis? (https://abload.de/img/imagev8s2d.png)

The last time I backed a KS project was in 2013, but I’ll make an exception for this cause it’s probably either this or we never get suikoden ever again. I just hope they don’t overextend themselves and take on more than they can chew. We don’t need another Mighty Number 9
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or Shenmue 3
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Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Bebpo on July 24, 2020, 02:20:35 PM
I mean Murayama hasn't done anything good in a long time, but taking Octopath style and doing a more traditional jrpg seems like a no brainer. Hope this turns out good in a few years when it hopefully comes out.
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Bebpo on July 24, 2020, 02:22:18 PM
Although I really don't like that the main two characters are literally clone art of the main two from Suikoden II. Come on, be a little more original.
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 24, 2020, 02:26:16 PM
Quote from: Bebpo on July 24, 2020, 02:20:35 PM
I mean Murayama hasn't done anything good in a long time

I mean, the last game he was heavily involved with was a third-person shooter that came out in 2005, it's not like he's been cranking out garbage since leaving Konami.
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Svejk on July 24, 2020, 02:38:28 PM
Quote from: bork on July 24, 2020, 01:01:59 PM
I am liking this trend of ex-Konami devs making new games that are just like the titles Konami doesn't want to make anymore.  Please keep doing this!
:itagaki
That pretty much began and ended with Iga, as far as I'm concerned.   :maduro

Don't get me wrong, this looks great, but KS can suck it if they're gonna keep up the supporter pic bowlshit.
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Akala on July 24, 2020, 03:53:56 PM
here is hoping, but all these spiritual successors tend to end up kind of bland, even if they play/look ok. kickstarted doesn't really instill confidence either, but this seems more in line with the W101 KS from earlier this year.

should have just made a new Suiko or even remade part 1.  :larry
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Tuckers Law on July 24, 2020, 04:12:25 PM
Quote from: Akala on July 24, 2020, 03:53:56 PM
here is hoping, but all these spiritual successors tend to end up kind of bland, even if they play/look ok. kickstarted doesn't really instill confidence either, but this seems more in line with the W101 KS from earlier this year.

should have just made a new Suiko or even remade part 1.  :larry

With Konami in control, would you really want an actual new suikoden?  I mean yeah they put out some pretty good collections recently, but they also put out Contra Rogue Corps.
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Akala on July 24, 2020, 04:33:36 PM
versus this? sure, why not. your point is valid tho.
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: demi on July 24, 2020, 05:08:36 PM
yeah release suiko like grandia then LRG will make a physical release of it
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Himu on July 24, 2020, 05:15:32 PM
Quote from: Bebpo on July 24, 2020, 02:20:35 PM
I mean Murayama hasn't done anything good in a long time, but taking Octopath style and doing a more traditional jrpg seems like a no brainer. Hope this turns out good in a few years when it hopefully comes out.

Why are so many of your posts just flat out wrong, Bebs? Alliance Alive was written by Murayama and has had near universal praise for its storytelling.
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: tiesto on July 24, 2020, 05:18:32 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 24, 2020, 02:26:16 PM
Quote from: Bebpo on July 24, 2020, 02:20:35 PM
I mean Murayama hasn't done anything good in a long time

I mean, the last game he was heavily involved with was a third-person shooter that came out in 2005, it's not like he's been cranking out garbage since leaving Konami.

Didn't he also help out with Alliance Alive? Although that game definitely felt rushed by the last 3rd, there were some neat elements highly reminiscent of Suikoden (like being able to recruit characters for your ship). Was a fun game that needed more budget.

Quote from: Cindi Mayweather on July 24, 2020, 12:45:33 PM
suikoden tactics is good.

suikoden tierkries only sucks because they took an established world and history and dumped it. When I think of Tierkries, system and design is definitely what I think of what I consider what I don't like about it.

Yeah, I thought Tactics was pretty underrated. The story was kinda dumb (a cannon that turns people into fishmen? wtf?) and the graphics were horrible N64-level... but some of the battles were quite challenging with constant enemy reinforcements you had to deal with and varied objectives for each level. Definitely the most difficult game in the franchise. 
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: demi on July 24, 2020, 05:30:28 PM
Daaamn imagine being an RPG nerd and not wanting to play a game with a story by the guy behind suikoden

Could be me because I havent played it either
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: paprikastaude on July 24, 2020, 06:00:52 PM
Fell out of Suikoden 2 once you get your castle/hombase, because it just didn't grab me. Could be because I played it on PSP and I kind of hate that thing.
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Bebpo on July 24, 2020, 08:05:36 PM
Quote from: Cindi Mayweather on July 24, 2020, 05:15:32 PM
Quote from: Bebpo on July 24, 2020, 02:20:35 PM
I mean Murayama hasn't done anything good in a long time, but taking Octopath style and doing a more traditional jrpg seems like a no brainer. Hope this turns out good in a few years when it hopefully comes out.

Why are so many of your posts just flat out wrong, Bebs? Alliance Alive was written by Murayama and has had near universal praise for its storytelling.

I've never heard this before.

So the game is good?
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Bebpo on July 24, 2020, 08:15:18 PM
Also I'll admit I'm wrong on that take. I thought he'd done some cellphone shovelware in between like a lot of these ex-PS2 era Japan creators who vanished. Looks like he really hasn't done anything since Tsukyiyo no Sayonara until Alliance Alive scenario.

Maybe he's still got it, we'll see I guess.
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: bork on July 27, 2020, 01:30:19 PM
Kickstarter page is up.  Confirms that a regular retail physical release is coming and is not KS-exclusive.  They claim backers will get it before retail.

The game is also not coming out for the Switch but instead will be released for whatever platform follows it, which to me translates to "don't back this for the Nintendo platform if you want to play it anytime soon."  :P

https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/1287782580314443783
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Bebpo on July 27, 2020, 02:15:56 PM
Quote from: 213372bu on July 27, 2020, 01:45:09 PM
Quote from: Spieler1 on July 24, 2020, 06:00:52 PM
Fell out of Suikoden 2 once you get your castle/hombase, because it just didn't grab me. Could be because I played it on PSP and I kind of hate that thing.
Yeah, this is exactly 100% my experience. Might return to them soon.

Suikoden II is like one of the top5 jrpgs of all time, so yeah, you really should.

*edit* Also use a spoiler-free/minimal guide and get all 108 people to get the most out of it.
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Bebpo on July 27, 2020, 02:23:17 PM
Ended up backing this to help out because idk how well this Kickstarter is actually gonna do. Not sure how big the Suikoden fanbase is these days.
Most Kickstarter stuff turns out pretty bad and a waste of money, so hopefully this ends up as one of the exceptions.
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: archnemesis on July 27, 2020, 02:51:28 PM
It looks great and I'm glad they've reached their goal already. Maybe I'll go back and give Tierkreis or Tactics another chance while I wait for this to come out.
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: demi on July 27, 2020, 03:04:08 PM
Funded in 3 hours

(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/029/906/681/8c59c8cdd8c022d6b5cefa70647d388a_original.gif?ixlib=rb-2.1.0&w=680&fit=max&v=1595398711&auto=format&gif-q=50&q=92&s=b83e6b7f3c05f42ae39b3f404126ee24)
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Akala on July 27, 2020, 03:27:29 PM
kickstarter down  :lol
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Himu on July 27, 2020, 03:46:43 PM
Holy shit it even has Suikoden formation system

*cries into shirt*
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 27, 2020, 03:53:08 PM
https://youtu.be/BBWD_h0lqjQ

:whew
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: tiesto on July 27, 2020, 04:11:31 PM
Quote from: Bebpo on July 24, 2020, 08:05:36 PM
Quote from: Cindi Mayweather on July 24, 2020, 05:15:32 PM
Quote from: Bebpo on July 24, 2020, 02:20:35 PM
I mean Murayama hasn't done anything good in a long time, but taking Octopath style and doing a more traditional jrpg seems like a no brainer. Hope this turns out good in a few years when it hopefully comes out.

Why are so many of your posts just flat out wrong, Bebs? Alliance Alive was written by Murayama and has had near universal praise for its storytelling.

I've never heard this before.

So the game is good?

I liked it a lot, though it feels kinda rushed toward the last 3rd of the game, and some of the optional dungeons are pretty repetitive. Imagine a hybrid between a less-obtuse SaGa and a lighthearted Suikoden with a Bravely Default artstyle.
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Bebpo on July 27, 2020, 07:56:10 PM
Quote from: tiesto on July 27, 2020, 04:11:31 PM
Quote from: Bebpo on July 24, 2020, 08:05:36 PM
Quote from: Cindi Mayweather on July 24, 2020, 05:15:32 PM
Quote from: Bebpo on July 24, 2020, 02:20:35 PM
I mean Murayama hasn't done anything good in a long time, but taking Octopath style and doing a more traditional jrpg seems like a no brainer. Hope this turns out good in a few years when it hopefully comes out.

Why are so many of your posts just flat out wrong, Bebs? Alliance Alive was written by Murayama and has had near universal praise for its storytelling.

I've never heard this before.

So the game is good?

I liked it a lot, though it feels kinda rushed toward the last 3rd of the game, and some of the optional dungeons are pretty repetitive. Imagine a hybrid between a less-obtuse SaGa and a lighthearted Suikoden with a Bravely Default artstyle.

Is the story good and is there a lot of it? I mean Saga ain't known for its stories while Suikoden is.
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Bebpo on July 27, 2020, 08:33:08 PM
Quote from: 213372bu on July 27, 2020, 08:02:58 PM
$1.1 mil in 6 hours
:whoo

Yeah, it's doing well!

I was worried it'd get like 1 million total and barely have the budget to make the game. If this does multi-million here I'm sure it'll help.
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Akala on July 27, 2020, 09:53:58 PM
there is no way a port of Wonderful 101 funds better than a Suikoden spiritual successor.

then again the world is unjust.
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Bebpo on July 27, 2020, 10:05:37 PM
I always thought Suikoden was pretty niche compared to Tales, FF, DQ, Mother, etc... as jrpg series around that time. If you asked me how many copies a modern Suikoden game would sell today I'd guess like 150k worldwide?

Then again I guess if they made 5 of them + a tactics game + some weird ds thing it must've been selling alright to keep it funded. Though by IV it felt like most of the funding had dropped out.
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 27, 2020, 10:42:48 PM
Suikoden 3 was probably the best selling, from what I can find, with at least 550k sold worldwide. 4 was less than that and 5 dropped further, though.
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Himu on July 27, 2020, 10:50:02 PM
Suikoden games are niche.

But usually tapped out at the standard 200k units in America.

Suikoden III is the best selling entry despite not being released in Europe.

It's also wise to note that Konami never really marketed or gave Suikoden games budget. They were always given poor funding and subsisted on fan loyalty/word of mouth. Konami was always sucking Kojima's dick. Fuck him.

Modern Suikoden would sell much, much better in today's jrpg landscape. Traditionally, jrpgs sell at most 200k in America. But that was before steam and multi console releases. Today niche jrpgs like Ys and Trails have an audience abroad and jrpgs have never been more popular or had mass platforms to succeed. The days of relying on the same fanbase and capping at 200k units abroad are over.

But this is also dependent on Konami, who doesn't give a shit. But under the right circumstances the series could do well
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 27, 2020, 11:33:16 PM
Let me stop you right there and assure you that unless it is a pachinko machine they can put negative effort into that will also make fans sad, Konami has no interest in games
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Himu on July 27, 2020, 11:45:13 PM
Quote from: Human Snorenado on July 27, 2020, 11:33:16 PM
Let me stop you right there and assure you that unless it is a pachinko machine they can put negative effort into that will also make fans sad, Konami has no interest in games

I never once humored an actual new Suikoden game in that post. Just talking purely hypothetical.

It's my goal for Eiyuden to be successful so it can be picked up by a publisher and hopefully that publisher can pony up to buy the Suikoden IP from Konami.

I personally think Falcom would be ideal for the Suikoden series with Square Enix next in the running. Atlus/Sega would uguu it up and Persona-ize it. Then again, given what Falcolm did they Xanadu so would they.
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Svejk on July 27, 2020, 11:52:46 PM
Best part of Suikoden 1,  was how short it was.
20 hour JRPG...   :ohyeah
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Himu on July 27, 2020, 11:57:48 PM
II isn't that long either.
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: tiesto on July 28, 2020, 01:10:40 AM
Quote from: Bebpo on July 27, 2020, 07:56:10 PM
Quote from: tiesto on July 27, 2020, 04:11:31 PM
Quote from: Bebpo on July 24, 2020, 08:05:36 PM
Quote from: Cindi Mayweather on July 24, 2020, 05:15:32 PM
Quote from: Bebpo on July 24, 2020, 02:20:35 PM
I mean Murayama hasn't done anything good in a long time, but taking Octopath style and doing a more traditional jrpg seems like a no brainer. Hope this turns out good in a few years when it hopefully comes out.

Why are so many of your posts just flat out wrong, Bebs? Alliance Alive was written by Murayama and has had near universal praise for its storytelling.

I've never heard this before.

So the game is good?

I liked it a lot, though it feels kinda rushed toward the last 3rd of the game, and some of the optional dungeons are pretty repetitive. Imagine a hybrid between a less-obtuse SaGa and a lighthearted Suikoden with a Bravely Default artstyle.

Is the story good and is there a lot of it? I mean Saga ain't known for its stories while Suikoden is.

It's nothing really that special... it's basically a hierarchy going on of demons -> beastmen -> humans that seems to just end abruptly. The game is fairly short and most of the scenarios don't really have too much time to develop themselves, though there are still a few neat moments like
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Playing New Game Plus, beating an unwinnable boss at the beginning of the game, and getting an alternate ending
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Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Tuckers Law on July 28, 2020, 04:43:47 AM
Quote from: Svejk on July 27, 2020, 11:52:46 PM
Best part of Suikoden 1,  was how short it was.
20 hour JRPG...   :ohyeah
Shorter RPG’s are the truth.  South Park Stick of Truth was a more recent good example where I remember finishing it and positively thinking, “that was just about the perfect length of game.”
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Svejk on July 28, 2020, 08:21:32 AM
Quote from: Tuckers Law on July 28, 2020, 04:43:47 AM
Quote from: Svejk on July 27, 2020, 11:52:46 PM
Best part of Suikoden 1,  was how short it was.
20 hour JRPG...   :ohyeah
Shorter RPG’s are the truth.  South Park Stick of Truth was a more recent good example where I remember finishing it and positively thinking, “that was just about the perfect length of game.”
I really need to go back and finish that game... my laptop is in the shop right now though.  :-\
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: paprikastaude on July 28, 2020, 08:56:39 AM
Quote from: Tuckers Law on July 28, 2020, 04:43:47 AM
Quote from: Svejk on July 27, 2020, 11:52:46 PM
Best part of Suikoden 1,  was how short it was.
20 hour JRPG...   :ohyeah
Shorter RPG’s are the truth.  South Park Stick of Truth was a more recent good example where I remember finishing it and positively thinking, “that was just about the perfect length of game.”

Nier 1, even with the second ending playthrough. Parasite Eve. Bloodborne. Chrono Trigger.

So few of them. But I rather replay those than do one 80 hour run of a single game.  :-\
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: tiesto on July 28, 2020, 09:11:19 AM
I don't mind long RPGs every now and then but way too many companies stretch the hell out of everything and some great games would've been even better with a bit more brevity. Tales third acts for instance.
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Akala on July 28, 2020, 09:38:35 AM
did anyone here actually make it all the way through suikoden 4?
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 28, 2020, 10:01:56 AM
Quote from: Akala on July 28, 2020, 09:38:35 AM
did anyone here actually make it all the way through suikoden 4?

I did. It's really short as well, I think like 20 hours if you didn't 100% it.
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: archnemesis on July 28, 2020, 10:04:58 AM
I finished S4 too. Emulation with frame skipping makes it more enjoyable. I don't remember much of it besides being annoyed by the slow combat with fewer characters and hating the final boss. I should replay the entire series, really.
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Akala on July 28, 2020, 10:21:10 AM
I remember being so disappointed by it and it was more the technical side? like the boat was pain.

I actually liked 3. I shamefully have never played much of 5 or Tactics even though I have copies of both.
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: archnemesis on July 28, 2020, 10:24:42 AM
S5 is great. You should definitely play it.

I dropped Tactics after 10-20 hours because it was repetitive. I need to get it running on a handheld device if I ever want to revisit it.
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 28, 2020, 10:28:02 AM
I stopped with the series after III, don't really feel like I've missed much

:yeshrug

But this unofficial reboot looks good, so I'll pick it up when it comes out assuming I'm not dead of plague or a sex slave in some Mad Max post-American hellscape
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Himu on July 28, 2020, 12:01:57 PM
Quote from: Akala on July 28, 2020, 09:38:35 AM
did anyone here actually make it all the way through suikoden 4?

Twice and I got all characters. Was horrific.

III is great despite whatever issues it has.

V is great but rips off too much from II.
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Bebpo on July 28, 2020, 01:03:55 PM
I finished 4, it was fine at the time other than extremely low budget and uninspired coming from III. Could have been worse.
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: tiesto on July 28, 2020, 03:54:13 PM
Quote from: Akala on July 28, 2020, 09:38:35 AM
did anyone here actually make it all the way through suikoden 4?

Yeah, I beat all English-released Suikodens with the full character roster... including the fan translation of the 2 visual novel games starring Nash. By far the worst one, it's just a miserable RPG with terrible dungeons, barely any difficulty, an uninteresting story, a drab, grey world (how could they make a tropical island setting look dull?) and hilariously bad animation. Luckily it was pretty short.

I'm hoping we get a fan translation of the PSP game one of these days...
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 28, 2020, 05:00:38 PM
III is quality (actually wish it was playable on PS4 psn) and the opening cinematic SLAPS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5JnlNtx_mM
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: G The Resurrected on July 28, 2020, 06:03:08 PM
Almost 2 million in less than 2 days.

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/sDc4YJ8kcTUpa/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e47tkt8n7wmz67looujvqup2aeq64t5op412hq1sd3a&rid=giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Yulwei on July 28, 2020, 06:07:59 PM
I pitched in for the digital tier. Glad to see the KS has been a success. Time to forget about this until 2023 and hope it’s good when it comes out  :P
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Himu on July 28, 2020, 06:23:13 PM
Quote from: Human Snorenado on July 28, 2020, 05:00:38 PM
III is quality (actually wish it was playable on PS4 psn) and the opening cinematic SLAPS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5JnlNtx_mM

Suikoden III deserves a full fledged remake to fix the flaws. Shame it won't happen.

I don't think III is the best Suikoden but it is my favorite.
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: G The Resurrected on July 28, 2020, 06:34:03 PM
Suikoden 3 was my introduction into the series and while I agree that it has flaws it's still one of my favorites as well. V really pissed me off though and I never finished it, glad I kept it though.

As for EC I'm really happy with what has been shown and how they are handling the KS so far. I chipped in what I wanted and I'll check out until it releases most likely.
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Himu on July 28, 2020, 06:36:59 PM
Quote from: G The Resurrected on July 28, 2020, 06:34:03 PM
Suikoden 3 was my introduction into the series and while I agree that it has flaws it's still one of my favorites as well. V really pissed me off though and I never finished it, glad I kept it though.

As for EC I'm really happy with what has been shown and how they are handling the KS so far. I chipped in what I wanted and I'll check out until it releases most likely.

How did V piss you off? It's conservative and loves to smell II's farts but it's a very good return to form and final good bye for the franchise.
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: G The Resurrected on July 28, 2020, 06:49:50 PM
I don't remember exactly why I didn't like it, might have been the 3d push or just a bad year for me with games. I just remember I put it down and had a very bad experience with it. Maybe I should give it another go, if it really is a finale of sorts since we all got the time now to wait for EC.
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: demi on July 28, 2020, 06:53:42 PM
whywouldntyouwanttojustplaysuikodentierkreis

itsasuikodengamealsothesystemdesigner

workedonitsowhynotplaythatoneinstead
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Himu on July 28, 2020, 06:58:49 PM
Fun fact. Suikoden games have the best arrange albums.

I burned Celtic Collections into my brain as a teenager. Miki Higashino the goddess.

https://youtu.be/4xwgF2ulvxM

https://youtu.be/k8jmtMihDmQ

https://youtu.be/p5XXXuI9d04

https://youtu.be/apHl9GUz0iQ

https://youtu.be/8dKP_hwBZxA

Bow down to the superior series' music.

The only thing that remotely comes close is Xenogears Creid.

Suikoden is my favorite jrpg franchise. I haven't played these games in a decade + because the heart break of no new Suikoden was too much to bear. I've replayed V and that's it, it's still great.

Put Miki Higashino on this project I swear to Gawd.

Also, while Kawano is cool, Ishikawa is peak Suikoden. Whenever anyone thinks of Suikoden character designs we think of her beautiful works.

(https://i.imgur.com/nHy4VYU.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Mk0rQgY.jpg)

Godlike.

I fucking love Suikoden. :tocry It is the only RPG franchise I ever played exclusively for the story. Helps that the formula is addictive as all fuck.
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Himu on July 28, 2020, 07:02:29 PM
Quote from: G The Resurrected on July 28, 2020, 06:49:50 PM
I don't remember exactly why I didn't like it, might have been the 3d push or just a bad year for me with games. I just remember I put it down and had a very bad experience with it. Maybe I should give it another go, if it really is a finale of sorts since we all got the time now to wait for EC.

Suikoden V is excellent. Suikoden V has such good writing and uses the main characters so well that by the end of the game there's at least 30-40 characters that you've recruited involved with the main plot and have some relevance. I've never seen any RPG pull off the kind of writing it did. Even past Suikoden's had some filler characters. Not V. They went all out. Even non plot related characters have a story. In past games you have about a dozen or maybe 20 characters that are relevant to the plot and while they use the side characters well, they can be  peripheral and an interesting side thing. V though is an incredible achievement and wonderful swan song for the series. Granted, in order to achieve this it had to have an 8 hour intro but it was all worth it.

If you play V again, do so with HD loader or emulated. Because the load times are frequent (although short except for battles). It's also not a looker. Its biggest issue is the strict recruitment. Look up recruitment deadlines and recruit before that deadline and you should be fine.

The OST for V is also utterly fantastic.

https://youtu.be/zpAXE9Q0ouE

https://youtu.be/z-vsSlxciAQ

I'd say it's the best Suikoden next to II.
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Mr. Gundam on July 31, 2020, 11:44:02 AM
Quote from: Human Snorenado on July 28, 2020, 05:00:38 PM
III is quality (actually wish it was playable on PS4 psn) and the opening cinematic SLAPS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5JnlNtx_mM

One of the best gaming OPs ever.
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 01, 2020, 02:06:13 AM
I don't get excited by kickstarters anymore but Suikoden is my favorite jrpg series so I'll break my rule for this one.
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: G The Resurrected on August 29, 2020, 11:20:33 AM
Last hour and it's already over $4.5 million... That's just awesome

Now the wait begins!
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Svejk on September 16, 2022, 09:49:42 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iooux6dRci4

Looks so damn beautiful... but that canned jrpg music though  :doge  Although they got some talent there too, after hearing the Suikoden HD Remaster's magnificent score again, this is a bit hard on the ears, imo.
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Nintex on September 16, 2022, 12:48:27 PM
"Are you ready for this JRPG masterpiece" :rejoice
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: bork on September 16, 2022, 05:24:28 PM
Eiyuden Chronicle Rising is getting a physical release on Switch, PS4, and PS5.

Will be sold only through Video Games Plus in North America and Red Art Games in Europe.  Pre-orders are up.
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: Svejk on April 23, 2024, 09:32:24 AM
Well, this is finally releasing today.. Getting good reviews too.
Crazy ass year for game drops. 
Title: Re: Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes (Suikoden lives!)
Post by: chronovore on June 03, 2024, 04:26:08 AM
Quote from: Yulwei on July 24, 2020, 01:23:46 PM
Kickstarter and the nicca who designed tierkreis? (https://abload.de/img/imagev8s2d.png)

The last time I backed a KS project was in 2013, but I’ll make an exception for this cause it’s probably either this or we never get suikoden ever again. I just hope they don’t overextend themselves and take on more than they can chew. We don’t need another Mighty Number 9
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I've probably mentioned it here before, because it's a drum I bang on frequently: Offering carte blanche to creators rarely returns the desired results. Usually the pressure from an employer or publisher provides just enough antagonism to power creativity. These kickstarters that give accomplished creative leads the ability to do whatever they want, it seems to provide enough of an out that the neat stuff just doesn't happen. Leonard Bernstein said, "To achieve great things, two things are needed; a plan, and not quite enough time." The time pressure from a publisher is a huge PITA, but without it, people just don't feel the need to move quickly enough.

As a PM, just pointing out the burn rate for a best-case scenario is one thing, but then pointing out that the team needs to get paid afterward while ramping up the next project, we can roll people off to the sequel or another project, but the money in the account needs to be there, and not frittered away.

Honestly, all the examples you listed, it just felt like creators who were "done" taking orders from anyone only ended up proving they needed someone else in charge of their time.