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Title: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on August 23, 2020, 09:27:15 PM
i’m a tentative no but i still like the prestige and the first 25 minutes of batman begins
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: El Babua on August 23, 2020, 09:33:10 PM
His movies are great first watch but end up weak after. Good ideas, but very little to dig into.
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 23, 2020, 09:34:27 PM
Yes.

And also Mupepe.
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: Mandark on August 23, 2020, 09:37:40 PM
yeah

got some obvious weaknesses but he's made some good stuff
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: EightBitNate on August 23, 2020, 09:38:12 PM
Yeah. He even made Dunkirk for all the lame people who don’t like his other movies.
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: Steve Contra on August 23, 2020, 09:38:50 PM
I’ve liked a few of his movies, but I sat through Interstellar so that’s a firm “no” from me
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 23, 2020, 09:41:42 PM
He's got some problems. His obsession with time and playing with it dosen't always work because I think he puts too much emphasis on it. Though I think it worked in Dunkirk.  His action scenes are pretty bad when it comes to gun or fit combat, but when it's something neat like the hallway scene in Inception it's cool.

I just simply like his movies. I like the look of them. I like his attempt at being serious and mature even if it dosen't always work.
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on August 23, 2020, 09:43:33 PM
my hottest take itt is prob that i think memento is boring

Christopher Nolan and Ridley Scott are hacks that got lucky on one or two movies
i legit love kingdom of heaven
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: Mandark on August 23, 2020, 09:43:40 PM
Honestly I'm kinda astounded that we haven't had some horrible #metoo-adjacent story surface with him yet.

Memento, The Prestige, The Dark Knight, and Inception all hinge on a male protagonist being wracked by guilt because they're responsible for a woman's death. That guy is working some things out.
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 23, 2020, 09:45:27 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ml0r-5U3lw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6XkEEzjVFA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Gq5uxY_frk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCB6QYy2Mew

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jane6C4rIwc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiaRYQlsjy4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoBhHqhq3Eg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_Y5UB3xxW8

:preach
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: team filler on August 23, 2020, 09:45:50 PM
Christopher Nolan and Ridley Scott are hacks that got lucky on one or two movies
(https://i.imgur.com/ezDokHQ.jpg)

and they're both racist too
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 23, 2020, 09:46:31 PM
my hottest take itt is prob that i think memento is boring

Christopher Nolan and Ridley Scott are hacks that got lucky on one or two movies
i legit love kingdom of heaven

Kingdom of Heaven Director's Cut is really great.
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 23, 2020, 09:53:33 PM
He’s good.  I think his biggest problem is how much he buys into his own pretentiousness.  Everything from Inception onwards has felt very “guys looks at all the A R T I’m making.”

Obviously has a clear skill set for imagery and effects, and he is one of the few popular filmmakers left that champions celluloid.  But I’d be curious to see what sort of pull he’d have if he never made one and a half good Batman movies out of three.
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: nudemacusers on August 23, 2020, 09:57:22 PM
he's zach snyder with better taste and restraint.
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 23, 2020, 09:59:23 PM
He’s good.  I think his biggest problem is how much he buys into his own pretentiousness.  Everything from Inception onwards has felt very “guys looks at all the A R T I’m making.”

Obviously has a clear skill set for imagery and effects, and he is one of the few popular filmmakers left that champions celluloid.  But I’d be curious to see what sort of pull he’d have if he never made one and a half good Batman movies out of three.

Mainstream success has definitely given him bigger budgets, but I dunno if his movies would be wildly different without. He'd definitely be working more on the indie side of things, but even early on he really liked playing with perception and time.
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: nudemacusers on August 23, 2020, 10:01:20 PM
speaking of pretentious ouroboros let's side channel a discussion of refn.  :doge
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: team filler on August 23, 2020, 10:01:46 PM
don't be too much of an autisty nerd and you'll enjoy his movies

don't be enough of an autisty nerd and you'll think he's the greatest director since kubrick or some shid
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: Mandark on August 23, 2020, 10:03:02 PM
But I’d be curious to see what sort of pull he’d have if he never made one and a half good Batman movies out of three.

Who are the directors who can get a fairly big budget movie greenlit without signing on to a big franchise IP? Nolan, Tarantino, Scorcese?
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: nudemacusers on August 23, 2020, 10:05:16 PM
Speilberg maybe? I could see netflix throwing stupid money at him.
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: team filler on August 23, 2020, 10:06:16 PM
mel gibson
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: Mandark on August 23, 2020, 10:09:12 PM
Speilberg maybe? I could see netflix throwing stupid money at him.

Yeah, was thinking of him but felt he was doing more mid-budget Oscar bait stuff like Lincoln and Bridge of Spies. But he did direct Ready Player One! Not sure if I forgot that or never knew it.
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on August 23, 2020, 10:11:00 PM
Kingdom of Heaven Director's Cut is really great.
the biggest, most obvious knock is that bloom was an awful casting choice but in a weird way, his cardboard performance makes the movie better because you can ignore the boring protagonist’s character arc and enjoy the world he’s living in

I think his biggest problem is how much he buys into his own pretentiousness.
this comes close to articulating my distaste for him. he postures as hollywood’s Big Ideas guy but is really oblivious how his movies all seem to want to slide into tedious schlock. theyre designed to give the affectation of having been clever. he’s obviously got a ton of skill for the craft of filmmaking though.

forgot about inception. that one’s good too. so 2.25 good movies
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: Mandark on August 23, 2020, 10:16:22 PM
Related, there's some revisionism around the Schumacher Batmans because of the endless pendulum of the grimdark/camp debate but I'm pretty sure it's like SW prequel revisionism and they're just bad.
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: naff on August 23, 2020, 10:17:58 PM
Related, there's some revisionism around the Schumacher Batmans because of the endless pendulum of the grimdark/camp debate but I'm pretty sure it's like SW prequel revisionism and they're just bad.

 :lol

I think the gauche sex appeal of those films is also considered kinda funny and hot now.
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: james on August 23, 2020, 10:41:02 PM
Christopher Nolan is the defining figure of our generation.

When the American empire is long forgotten, Christopher Nolan will still be remembered
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: Steve Contra on August 23, 2020, 10:41:53 PM
Related, there's some revisionism around the Schumacher Batmans because of the endless pendulum of the grimdark/camp debate but I'm pretty sure it's like SW prequel revisionism and they're just bad.
Schumacher’s Batman movies are legitimately bad, but they also have a definable style and appear to be made by a person. I mean how many marvel movies are there now and how many feel like that?
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: naff on August 23, 2020, 10:51:44 PM
Are people here discussing Kingdom of Heaven just being contrarian? I gave the dir. cut a go after seeing Rumbler rated it years ago and i did enjoy it i guess, but still found an overly long middling epic with occasionally rousing battles imo. I didn't care for it's portrayal of history or Bloom's tediously noble performance. It needed an unrestrained powerhouse to guide it like Crowe throughout Gladiator.

Also, Stro has fuckin' terrible takes jesus christ. The Duellists, Blade Runner, Alien, Thelma and Louise and Gladiator are all great with a smattering of solid popcorn flicks filling out the ranks.
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: thisismyusername on August 23, 2020, 10:53:24 PM
Yes/No, for me. I agree with the "good for a first watch, not good on rewatch" opinion. Though Inception holds on rewatching for me, but that's on the strength of it's effects more than anything.

Related, there's some revisionism around the Schumacher Batmans because of the endless pendulum of the grimdark/camp debate but I'm pretty sure it's like SW prequel revisionism and they're just bad.

https://hazlitt.net/longreads/paper-faces-parade
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: team filler on August 23, 2020, 10:55:16 PM
Related, there's some revisionism around the Schumacher Batmans because of the endless pendulum of the grimdark/camp debate but I'm pretty sure it's like SW prequel revisionism and they're just bad.
Schumacher’s Batman movies are legitimately bad, but they also have a definable style and appear to be made by a person. I mean how many marvel movies are there now and how many feel like that?
this works for star war prequel too

as bad as they are, I've rewatched, but don't feel I'll ever rewatch the sequel tril. both are bad, but with the sequels and other disney it's watch it once and forget forever
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: nudemacusers on August 23, 2020, 10:55:40 PM
mel gibson
have you forgotten who runs hollywood?  :doge

spoiler (click to show/hide)
i think it's the chinese now tbh
[close]
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: team filler on August 23, 2020, 10:56:54 PM
chicommywood
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: Mandark on August 23, 2020, 11:20:00 PM
Related, there's some revisionism around the Schumacher Batmans because of the endless pendulum of the grimdark/camp debate but I'm pretty sure it's like SW prequel revisionism and they're just bad.
Schumacher’s Batman movies are legitimately bad, but they also have a definable style and appear to be made by a person. I mean how many marvel movies are there now and how many feel like that?
this works for star war prequel too

as bad as they are, I've rewatched, but don't feel I'll ever rewatch the sequel tril. both are bad, but with the sequels and other disney it's watch it once and forget forever

hahaha NOPE
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: team filler on August 23, 2020, 11:25:46 PM
Related, there's some revisionism around the Schumacher Batmans because of the endless pendulum of the grimdark/camp debate but I'm pretty sure it's like SW prequel revisionism and they're just bad.
Schumacher’s Batman movies are legitimately bad, but they also have a definable style and appear to be made by a person. I mean how many marvel movies are there now and how many feel like that?
this works for star war prequel too

as bad as they are, I've rewatched, but don't feel I'll ever rewatch the sequel tril. both are bad, but with the sequels and other disney it's watch it once and forget forever

hahaha NOPE
(https://i.imgur.com/Xy9717o.jpg) :ufup

let's rewatch 90s batman together  :-[ bb
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: team filler on August 23, 2020, 11:33:51 PM
the prequels were so bad that we rewatched and talk about how bad they are. the sequels are so bad that I can no longer go back to rewatch the preguels or p much any other star war :lol


Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: VomKriege on August 23, 2020, 11:38:30 PM
Starting with his Batmans, his films are consistently way too long & the writing too explicit and meandering which ruins his great flair for ideas (the premise are always good, intriguing and he always gets a couple of good impressive sequences out of it). Design and visuals clean and above average but a couple of steps below greatness. His pieces of résistance and the high notes get drown in filler that feels way too self-important for what it is.
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 23, 2020, 11:58:47 PM
Ya, he’s p. good
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on August 24, 2020, 12:07:15 AM
I watch interstellar all the time but every batman sucks.
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: BIONIC on August 24, 2020, 01:03:42 AM
Batman & Robin is legit fun, and haters can suck a small one  :steiner
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: Transhuman on August 24, 2020, 02:14:24 AM
Kingdom of Heaven Director's Cut is really great.
the biggest, most obvious knock is that bloom was an awful casting choice but in a weird way, his cardboard performance makes the movie better because you can ignore the boring protagonist’s character arc and enjoy the world he’s living in

Like that Australian guy in Avatar.
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: benjipwns on August 24, 2020, 02:29:25 AM
Related, there's some revisionism around the Schumacher Batmans because of the endless pendulum of the grimdark/camp debate but I'm pretty sure it's like SW prequel revisionism and they're just bad.
Schumacher’s Batman movies are legitimately bad, but they also have a definable style and appear to be made by a person. I mean how many marvel movies are there now and how many feel like that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnLtMZdSmqE
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: Himu on August 24, 2020, 02:53:18 AM
I like him. He can have pacing issues. Like The Dark Knight's first third it feels like many scenes are too short because he has so much content he had to dramatically constrict the length of the film. He also has a tendency to overuse overly theatrical music rather than plain old quiet. His themes can sometimes be overwrought and if he struggles to get down what he's trying to say he really struggles but when it works it really works. So I like him a lot and given every one of his films a chance if possible.
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: Raist on August 24, 2020, 03:07:33 AM
He's made more good/great movies than bad/meh ones, so I'd say he is. But also a bit overrated.
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 24, 2020, 07:45:24 AM
He's good but not great

:yeshrug
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: Mr Gilhaney on August 24, 2020, 08:13:31 AM
He's pretty good I think, but certainly also a few mediocre movies.

Also the dark knight rises fight scenes, how the fuck. I usually never notice if stuff like that is bad, but it was so bad in this one.
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: Mandark on August 24, 2020, 08:16:59 AM
It's pretty funny that three of the biggest superhero movies were directed by a guy who's particularly bad at (or is uninterested in) filming fight scenes.
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: Mandark on August 24, 2020, 10:01:35 AM
Inception is good because it is nature's noblest and most majestic creature: a heist movie.
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: ToxicAdam on August 24, 2020, 10:14:15 AM
I've seen them all except for the cape shit. I loved Memento and Insomnia, but the rest hasn't really moved me.  There should be an English word or phrase where something is expertly done but still doesn't impress you. The Ron Howard Effect.

Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: Nintex on August 24, 2020, 10:32:06 AM
I'm a big fan.

He makes great films with awesome world building, great casting choices and usually stellar Hans Zimmer soundtracks.
I like how each film has a different theme and focus and brings something unique, while still maintaining a similar Nolan feel.

Because he's heavily in favor of practical effects his movies age well too.
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: Himu on August 24, 2020, 11:05:58 AM
Are people here discussing Kingdom of Heaven just being contrarian? I gave the dir. cut a go after seeing Rumbler rated it years ago and i did enjoy it i guess, but still found an overly long middling epic with occasionally rousing battles imo. I didn't care for it's portrayal of history or Bloom's tediously noble performance. It needed an unrestrained powerhouse to guide it like Crowe throughout Gladiator.

Also, Stro has fuckin' terrible takes jesus christ. The Duellists, Blade Runner, Alien, Thelma and Louise and Gladiator are all great with a smattering of solid popcorn flicks filling out the ranks.

Alien is an all timer. Blade Runner fucking sucks but looks great. Gladiator is absolute schlock.

Blade Runner is great and depends on the version. The final cut is godlike.
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: paprikastaude on August 24, 2020, 11:52:42 AM
No doubt since Rises it's gotten more wonky with these movies. On the other hand, he might just be the last guy left who's got a pass to do non-franchise movies of that budget, which is crazy (and pathetic).
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: Nintex on August 24, 2020, 12:40:18 PM
The budget of Rises must've been crazy after the success of TDK.
I feel a lot of stuff was just thrown in there because Nolan simply wanted to try it out for other future movies :lol

In editing they also used what must've been some of the worst takes of certain scenes.
But despite some quality issues, it's still a very fun watch.
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 24, 2020, 12:48:22 PM
1. The Dark Knight
2. Inception
3. Batman Begins
4. Dunkirk
5. Interstellar
6. The Dark Knight Rises
7. The Prestige
8. Memento
9. Insomnia
10. Following
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: MMaRsu on August 24, 2020, 01:06:13 PM
Ive missed a few of his movies but aside from Dark knight rises he is a top filmmaker for sure
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: Raist on August 24, 2020, 01:10:04 PM
Are people here discussing Kingdom of Heaven just being contrarian? I gave the dir. cut a go after seeing Rumbler rated it years ago and i did enjoy it i guess, but still found an overly long middling epic with occasionally rousing battles imo. I didn't care for it's portrayal of history or Bloom's tediously noble performance. It needed an unrestrained powerhouse to guide it like Crowe throughout Gladiator.

Also, Stro has fuckin' terrible takes jesus christ. The Duellists, Blade Runner, Alien, Thelma and Louise and Gladiator are all great with a smattering of solid popcorn flicks filling out the ranks.

Blade Runner fucking sucks

Mods pls.
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: tiesto on August 24, 2020, 01:19:45 PM
I liked all his movies except for Dark Knight Rises. They've got the complicated, puzzle-based narratives without being way too overly steeped in metaphor. But I'm not a huge movie guy tbh...
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on August 24, 2020, 01:21:35 PM
Not only does blade runner suck, but so does blade runner 2049.
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: EightBitNate on August 24, 2020, 01:43:27 PM
I’ll agree that Blade Runner’s visuals hide the really average movie that’s underneath. Never gave 2049 a shot.
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: Steve Contra on August 24, 2020, 01:48:11 PM
Even if Blade Runner wasn't a good movie (it is) the visuals alone are enough to make it worth more than 95% of movies. Add in some Vangelis and bump that up to 97%
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 24, 2020, 02:16:47 PM
If nothing else, OG Blade Runner is worth it for Roy's final scene:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU7Ga7qTLDU

And that's when you realize that Roy was the main character all along.
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 24, 2020, 03:43:36 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/ARkfOwb.png)


:trumps

7 is the lowest score you can give a videogame without getting death threats, while also the maximum score a non-cape movie is allowed to get.
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 24, 2020, 04:12:48 PM
Reviewer: This movie is a 7/10.

Me: Cool, guess I should go check it out then.

Reviewer: This game is a 7/10.

Me: lol sounds like garbage, hard pass
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: naff on August 25, 2020, 08:35:44 AM
Alien is an all timer. Blade Runner fucking sucks but looks great. Gladiator is absolute schlock.

Fuck yeah, Gladiator is the undefeated king of 2000s schlock. That decade really started with a bang. Were you not entertained?
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: Nintex on August 25, 2020, 08:45:04 AM
Gladiator  :preach

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1UiD2sxoWo

Did it start the trend of 'Heroes Journey' character movies as hollywood blockbusters?  :thinking
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: Mandark on August 25, 2020, 08:47:01 AM
Gladiator

Did it start the trend of 'Heroes Journey' character movies?  :thinking

how are you dumber outside of the politics threads

how is that possible
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: ToxicAdam on August 25, 2020, 08:56:12 AM
Yea, everyone knows that Matrix started it all.

Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: Mandark on August 25, 2020, 08:58:16 AM
The trend of hero's journey movies will start next year when The Batman comes out.
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: naff on August 25, 2020, 09:00:09 AM
If anything it was a truly brilliant resurrection of the swords-and-sandals genre.

Calling it schlock in jest isn't being very true to myself. It's incredibly well made and a titan in the pantheon of Hollywood entertainment. Corny and sentimental sure, but that's part of the charm. Pour one out for Maximus' fam  :tocry
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 25, 2020, 09:00:52 AM
2049 really leans into how important the visuals were to the first film;  love both myself.. but 2049 takes it for me.

2049 is definitely prettier to look at if you're not grading on a curve but trying to compare the two narrative wise is laughable. 2049 is cosplay and the OG is, well, the OG.
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: Nintex on August 25, 2020, 09:02:18 AM
You misunderstand, at some point there was a shift in mainstream Hollywood blockbusters from movies like Die Hard, which was just good cop shoots bad guys and adaptations of Tom Clancy books to movies like Gladiator with original epic soundtracks and an attempt at 'deep' dialogue and more 'serious' themes.

Sure, you had movies like Rocky and such which also focus on the Heroes Journey but not with the same, shall we call it pretentiousness as Gladiator.
Which sort of presented itself as a work of high art. There are elements in the film that certainly inspired other films.
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: Mandark on August 25, 2020, 09:04:12 AM
You misunderstand, at some point there was a shift in mainstream Hollywood blockbusters from movies like Die Hard, which was just good cop shoots bad guys

HE'S TRYING TO RECONCILE WITH HIS ESTRANGED WIFE ON CHRISTMAS YOU FUCK
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 25, 2020, 09:07:51 AM
Forget it, Mandark. It's Nintex-town.
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: Nintex on August 25, 2020, 09:08:27 AM
You misunderstand, at some point there was a shift in mainstream Hollywood blockbusters from movies like Die Hard, which was just good cop shoots bad guys

HE'S TRYING TO RECONCILE WITH HIS ESTRANGED WIFE ON CHRISTMAS YOU FUCK
But that's now how the movie is presented to the general public

It's the same with Red October, all Jack Ryan wanted was to get back home with a new Teddy Bear for his daughter :tocry
Title: Re: The Bore Debates 2020: Is Christopher Nolan Good?
Post by: Mandark on August 25, 2020, 09:12:55 AM
Inception is good because it is nature's noblest and most majestic creature: a heist movie.

In 2020 we off White Guy Crime movies. We need to sanction Martin Scorcese and then push for a full embargo of any of his movies

I feel the same way about Scorcese that TA does about Nolan and Ron Howard: just never connected with any of his movies despite the obvious technical chops.

Just don't get invested in the rise and fall, Behind the Music sort of plot arc a lot of his films share. Gimme a tight plot in a small time frame, with like 20 minutes of getting a team together in the beginning.