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General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: mormapope on September 01, 2020, 08:58:47 PM

Title: Peoples expectations if there was a civil war number two in US
Post by: mormapope on September 01, 2020, 08:58:47 PM: Some people's expectations:

Mass conflict, mass exodus fighting and ravaging thru the streets, constant bloodshed, the complete collapse of the country. People believe running for the hills and hunkering down away from society will be doable and achievable.

My expectations:

Irregular conflicts between multiple organized militia groups, irregular unorganized conflict in general. Police and paramilitary backing right wing militias to brutally squash dissent. Society continues under a very structured terror regime that will take many years to change.

People think if Trump is reelected that life will basically cease to exist and that everything is completely fucked, irredeemable, and that a large crushing wave of violence and borderline genocide will happen.

Truth is, shits just gonna continue sucking more, more dissent will occur, and bloodshed may happen, but conservative people are willing to fight for Starbucks and Mcdonalds. Corporations with billions of dollars will still be the true movers and shakers of this planet. Microsoft, Apple, Google, Amazon, the billions of dollars and infrastructure and how corporations are ingrained into society or civilization, that won't change.

People foresee armageddon instead of life taking a very different and ugly shape. The majority of Americans love the normalcy of misery, of capitalism. That's not going to change in any amount of short time.

I guess I'm saying we're already in dystopia, and we've been on this path for a very long time, and with how ingrained rituals and habits are, any amount of bloodshed isn't going to change that.
Title: Re: Peoples expectations if there was a civil war number two in US
Post by: Transhuman on September 01, 2020, 09:06:40 PM: I know optimism bias is a thing and all, but I really don't think Trump will win a second term.
Title: Re: Peoples expectations if there was a civil war number two in US
Post by: Pissy F Benny on September 01, 2020, 09:11:39 PM: On the contrary I think he will, which will lead to him getting capped and kicking it all off :trumps :doge
Title: Re: Peoples expectations if there was a civil war number two in US
Post by: james on September 01, 2020, 09:13:15 PM: Youre right, it will be a lot like the paramilitary folks in Colombia doing a 10 year sort of civil war in the background while people in the cities enjoy their life
Title: Re: Peoples expectations if there was a civil war number two in US
Post by: team filler on September 01, 2020, 09:19:27 PM: I'll kill all my white bore brehs last :fbm :gun :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart
Title: Re: Peoples expectations if there was a civil war number two in US
Post by: mormapope on September 01, 2020, 09:20:56 PM: Quote from: shosta on September 01, 2020, 09:06:15 PM
we don't have left wing militias though

I guess recruiting could be pretty successful if escalation happened

I'd say the smarter organizers would be very low key at this point in time, and only show themselves if things get escalated :doge
Title: Re: Peoples expectations if there was a civil war number two in US
Post by: benjipwns on September 01, 2020, 09:29:13 PM: Is this because Joe Kennedy lost?
Title: Re: Peoples expectations if there was a civil war number two in US
Post by: Nintex on September 01, 2020, 09:34:32 PM: At this time there's not really anyone to lead such a revolution or civil war.
Likewise there is no one to turn that energy into a political message either.

It's like the Yellow Vests or even Occupy. They will grow in numbers as people lose their jobs or get into trouble but lose support as the majority wants to return to normal.
The backlash against burning and looting is already starting. They can't even clearly convey what they want or don't even bother to. Take 'defund the police' which means something different depending on who you ask.

The most likely escalation would be targeted attacks on politicians, law enforcement etc. but with the technology of today such activist groups will be easily tracked down and arrested.

This is the same across most of Europe, the Balkans and the east (Hungary, Russia etc.).
Title: Re: Peoples expectations if there was a civil war number two in US
Post by: Himu on September 01, 2020, 09:59:08 PM: It'll be like civil wars where you don't know who is who or for what side. There won't be uniforms. Life will go on, but much more deadly.
Title: Re: Peoples expectations if there was a civil war number two in US
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 01, 2020, 10:02:51 PM: Everyone gets bored and gives up after a week or two, like we did with wearing masks.
Title: Re: Peoples expectations if there was a civil war number two in US
Post by: Himu on September 01, 2020, 10:03:27 PM: Quote from: james on September 01, 2020, 09:13:15 PM
Youre right, it will be a lot like the paramilitary folks in Colombia doing a 10 year sort of civil war in the background while people in the cities enjoy their life

Half right. It will come to the cities. Kenosha had a kid from Illinois drive there. Portland had Patriot Prayer drive into town and that's how the Portland Trumper got killed. It won't be isolated outside cities at all.
Title: Re: Peoples expectations if there was a civil war number two in US
Post by: Himu on September 01, 2020, 10:08:51 PM: A big weakness of conservatives in this so-called fight is over confidence. They really think only conservatives are the ones with guns.

After Trump I'm glad I saw the tea leaves. Any person on the left espousing anti gun sentiment post-Trump have been shown to be the dumbasses I said they are. And if you didn't, you must be a cac.

If you were smart, you would have read the tea leaves and started training after 2016.

Instead you're now realzing four years later the implications. Thankfully black folks wised up. Democrats sure look goofy though. Morons.
Title: Re: Peoples expectations if there was a civil war number two in US
Post by: Bebpo on September 01, 2020, 10:16:52 PM: Biggest problem is that the police & military would likely back the right-wing in any conflict as we're seeing right now in these protests.

Left vs Right fighting it out? Could go either way.

Left vs Right-wing militia + police + army with all police & army tanks and hardware = Left is totally fucked.

We wouldn't want a 2nd civil war. It would end very badly.
Title: Re: Peoples expectations if there was a civil war number two in US
Post by: Mandark on September 01, 2020, 10:17:43 PM: Quote from: Cindi Mayweather on September 01, 2020, 10:08:51 PM
After Trump I'm glad I saw the tea leaves. Any person on the left espousing anti gun sentiment post-Trump have been shown to be the dumbasses I said they are. And if you didn't, you must be a cac.

If you were smart, you would have read the tea leaves and started training after 2016.

Instead you're now realzing four years later the implications. Thankfully black folks wised up. Democrats sure look goofy though. Morons.

you were getting hyped to shoot people on behalf of trump tho
Title: Re: Peoples expectations if there was a civil war number two in US
Post by: Himu on September 01, 2020, 10:19:30 PM: https://newrepublic.com/article/159172/united-states-break-up
Title: Re: Peoples expectations if there was a civil war number two in US
Post by: benjipwns on September 01, 2020, 10:29:03 PM: :heart non-violence friends, non-violence :heart
Title: Re: Peoples expectations if there was a civil war number two in US
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 01, 2020, 11:01:14 PM: Mostly two groups of people shouting at each on Twitter, so not a whole lot different from the usual. Maybe some fringe outliers get involved in one-off confrontations with a few shots fired [like we've seen in the past few days], but too few people actively want to get involved at that level on either side.

That's under the assumption that Trump loses, though. I dunno what another 4 years of Trump [especially a Trump who feels more validated to do whatever he wants than ever before] would do to the country.
Title: Re: Peoples expectations if there was a civil war number two in US
Post by: benjipwns on September 01, 2020, 11:20:41 PM: At the same time, once you're re-elected, you're a lame duck and that's stymied even the most powerful Presidents. The House is going to stay D, Senate won't be much better for him than around 50/50.

I hope he would just check out to shitpost on Twitter more once he gets that validation of re-election. Maybe I'm just a big ol optimist about things.
Title: Re: Peoples expectations if there was a civil war number two in US
Post by: thisismyusername on September 01, 2020, 11:56:58 PM: All I know is, Trump doing the Eviction Moratorum is the dems playing into his hands.

:piss Demoncraps :piss2 :piss Shosta and Glen (who probably secretly enjoys it) :piss2

Civil War? Probably won't happen until THAT happens and that's only if shit continues to get bad in regards to jobs/etc. (Oh and the cops, but the cops will continue to shoot folks and jack shit will be done there on both sides. So...)
Title: Re: Peoples expectations if there was a civil war number two in US
Post by: Transhuman on September 01, 2020, 11:59:42 PM: To be honest i'm surprised there hasn't been waaaay more violence. Would only take one deranged person with an automatic weapon to wreak absolute havoc on a crowd, and it's not like you guys have a shortage of either.
Title: Re: Peoples expectations if there was a civil war number two in US
Post by: Mandark on September 02, 2020, 12:00:51 AM: is the new eviction moratorium better than the eviction moratorium he did three weeks ago?
Title: Re: Peoples expectations if there was a civil war number two in US
Post by: james on September 02, 2020, 12:27:50 AM: Quote from: Cindi Mayweather on September 01, 2020, 10:03:27 PM
Quote from: james on September 01, 2020, 09:13:15 PM
Youre right, it will be a lot like the paramilitary folks in Colombia doing a 10 year sort of civil war in the background while people in the cities enjoy their life

Half right. It will come to the cities. Kenosha had a kid from Illinois drive there. Portland had Patriot Prayer drive into town and that's how the Portland Trumper got killed. It won't be isolated outside cities at all.

I said cities not villages. You'll note the white people aren't driving into Chicago to start trouble
Title: Re: Peoples expectations if there was a civil war number two in US
Post by: james on September 02, 2020, 12:29:49 AM: Quote from: Transhuman on September 01, 2020, 11:59:42 PM
To be honest i'm surprised there hasn't been waaaay more violence. Would only take one deranged person with an automatic weapon to wreak absolute havoc on a crowd, and it's not like you guys have a shortage of either.

There's probably a dozen Timothy McVeighs planning shit
Title: Re: Peoples expectations if there was a civil war number two in US
Post by: BIONIC on September 02, 2020, 01:03:46 AM: Quote from: shosta on September 01, 2020, 09:06:15 PM
we don't have left wing militias though

Atra annihilated.
Title: Re: Peoples expectations if there was a civil war number two in US
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 02, 2020, 02:39:30 AM: Police might back right wingers but Army won't.
Title: Re: Peoples expectations if there was a civil war number two in US
Post by: Atramental on September 02, 2020, 06:22:32 AM: Quote from: BIONIC on September 02, 2020, 01:03:46 AM
Quote from: shosta on September 01, 2020, 09:06:15 PM
we don't have left wing militias though

Atra annihilated.
No. He’s right. We don’t. :doge

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Title: Re: Peoples expectations if there was a civil war number two in US
Post by: Brehvolution on September 02, 2020, 10:50:42 AM: *checks notes* It's not going to happen. Anyone that has a semi decent existence now isn't going to jeopardize that just because some people said something you disagree with on the internet.
Trump's plan is Putin's plan. Do as much damage and sow as much division as he can before he leaves. Leave America as weak as possible before he's voted out.
Title: Re: Peoples expectations if there was a civil war number two in US
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 02, 2020, 12:01:05 PM: Trump (probably) isn't winning re-election.

Long term violent conflict with right wing lunatics is definitely a thing that will be happening, tho.
Title: Re: Peoples expectations if there was a civil war number two in US
Post by: Trent Dole on September 02, 2020, 04:03:31 PM: Quote from: filler on September 01, 2020, 09:19:27 PM
I'll kill all my white bore brehs last :fbm :gun :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart
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Quote from: Bebpo on September 01, 2020, 10:16:52 PM
Biggest problem is that the police & military would likely back the right-wing in any conflict as we're seeing right now in these protests.

Left vs Right fighting it out? Could go either way.

Left vs Right-wing militia + police + army with all police & army tanks and hardware = Left is totally fucked.

We wouldn't want a 2nd civil war. It would end very badly.
Dude the chuds can't even conquer Portland, Oregon. :lol
Title: Re: Peoples expectations if there was a civil war number two in US
Post by: brawndolicious on September 02, 2020, 04:39:55 PM: Quote from: Bebpo on September 01, 2020, 10:16:52 PM
Biggest problem is that the police & military would likely back the right-wing in any conflict as we're seeing right now in these protests.

Left vs Right fighting it out? Could go either way.

Left vs Right-wing militia + police + army with all police & army tanks and hardware = Left is totally fucked.

We wouldn't want a 2nd civil war. It would end very badly.

The crazy, fucking right-wing dumbasses we have in this country wouldn't start a revolution unless we had a liberal in the White House. And the military is going to follow whoever the CINC is.

Also, the polarization is not along state lines but more based on social groups (ethnicity, level of education, etc). Maybe there's correlation between urban vs rural but organizing an entire revolution like what happened in the Civil War seems impossible just because the population isn't as homogenous and united around a single issue as it was back then. I think the bigger threat is the rise of right wing terror groups and racists infiltrating the police force to abuse authority.

You can't use a gun to protect yourself from a dude who plants a truck bomb or a cop who uses excessive force.
Title: Re: Peoples expectations if there was a civil war number two in US
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 02, 2020, 04:45:53 PM: You could at least try though. Shoot 'em at bad tweets before they escalate to car bombs.
Title: Re: Peoples expectations if there was a civil war number two in US
Post by: Steve Contra on September 02, 2020, 05:09:59 PM: An actual civil war in America (as opposed to randos in Ford f150s driving through cities with trump flags) would collapse the world economy so don't bet on anyone letting it happen.
Title: Re: Peoples expectations if there was a civil war number two in US
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 02, 2020, 05:13:14 PM: Thinking that economic considerations would prevent civil war is a bit arrogant, no?
Title: Re: Peoples expectations if there was a civil war number two in US
Post by: Steve Contra on September 02, 2020, 05:14:22 PM: Quote from: Madrun Badrun on September 02, 2020, 05:13:14 PM
Thinking that economic considerations would prevent civil war is a bit arrogant, no?
In America? Not at all.
Title: Re: Peoples expectations if there was a civil war number two in US
Post by: mormapope on September 02, 2020, 06:46:51 PM: Quote from: Madrun Badrun on September 02, 2020, 05:13:14 PM
Thinking that economic considerations would prevent civil war is a bit arrogant, no?

It's less about arrogance and more about what structures modern western society as we know it. Social issues, conflicts, truths, all of that, has an influence on day to day life. As cynical as it may sound though, Google collapsing and ceasing to exist tommorow would cause more calamity than any prominent political/movement figure peacing out.
Title: Re: Peoples expectations if there was a civil war number two in US
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 02, 2020, 08:51:41 PM: tbh I would probably willingly live in a corporate dystopian hell run by Bezos if he killed all the racists via drone strike

:yeshrug
Title: Re: Peoples expectations if there was a civil war number two in US
Post by: team filler on September 02, 2020, 09:28:52 PM: bezos droning himself :mueller
Title: Re: Peoples expectations if there was a civil war number two in US
Post by: Boredfrom on September 02, 2020, 10:47:31 PM: You guys are not going to get a Civil War because of Trump.

You guys will get institutional decline, corruption will be way more rampant and I seriously doubt Trump will be able to actually control crime after your economy gets worse.
Title: Re: Peoples expectations if there was a civil war number two in US
Post by: team filler on September 02, 2020, 10:49:13 PM: we're the new mexico :pitbull
Title: Re: Peoples expectations if there was a civil war number two in US
Post by: OnlyRegret on September 03, 2020, 12:06:27 AM: Quote from: Human Snorenado on September 02, 2020, 08:51:41 PM
tbh I would probably willingly live in a corporate dystopian hell run by Bezos if he killed all the racists via drone strike

:yeshrug

lmao