Definitely looked whack. Hopefully it's just super early alpha footage. Graphically it's probably the least impressive new FF showing.
It doesn't look like FFXIV to me other than the medieval setting. Doesn't look like FFXII/Ivalice either. Looks westernized like FF15 but Medieval with big ugly summons.
Still, FFXIV is great and Yoshi-P is cool, so hopefully will be a good story/adventure/gameplay.
Definitely looked whack. Hopefully it's just super early alpha footage. Graphically it's probably the least impressive new FF showing.
It doesn't look like FFXIV to me other than the medieval setting. Doesn't look like FFXII/Ivalice either. Looks westernized like FF15 but Medieval with big ugly summons.
Still, FFXIV is great and Yoshi-P is cool, so hopefully will be a good story/adventure/gameplay.
YoshiP gives me hope
Definitely looked whack. Hopefully it's just super early alpha footage. Graphically it's probably the least impressive new FF showing.
It doesn't look like FFXIV to me other than the medieval setting. Doesn't look like FFXII/Ivalice either. Looks westernized like FF15 but Medieval with big ugly summons.
Still, FFXIV is great and Yoshi-P is cool, so hopefully will be a good story/adventure/gameplay.
YoshiP gives me hope
Yoshi-P producing is a good sign. And the guy that is doing the combat worked on MVC2, Dragons Dogma and DMC 5, so at least the DMC parts will be good.
great twitter thread I agree 100% with (click through for more good takes)
https://twitter.com/fireh9lly/status/1306349094386962432
I don't want DMC combat in FF.
I don't want DMC combat in FF.
That's fair. I'm just coming from the perspective that if they're going to do an action rpg ff, which seem unavoidable at this point, they might as well get someone who knows what they're doing to do it.
I don't want DMC combat in FF.
That's fair. I'm just coming from the perspective that if they're going to do an action rpg ff, which seem unavoidable at this point, they might as well get someone who knows what they're doing to do it.
I liked FFVIIR combat specifically because it was a blend of action and menu based combat. It was a nice blend. This looks further into the action territory. We will see as more details come out.
Feels like Square Enix is pulling a Capcom and separating Final Fantasy. Final Fantasy classic will be FF7 Remake part 2, and probably a different remake someday. While modern Final Fantasy goes in a different direction, which will be Dragon's Dogma combat.I don’t think we know enough to say that. We don’t know anything about the systems and real gameplay. You take the hud away and VIIR looks not that far removed. It’s not like this had extreme juggles or anything. Other then the less colorful and out there look, nothing in the story also sounded beyond FFXIV.
Feels like Square Enix is pulling a Capcom and separating Final Fantasy. Final Fantasy classic will be FF7 Remake part 2, and probably a different remake someday. While modern Final Fantasy goes in a different direction, which will be Dragon's Dogma combat.I don’t think we know enough to say that. We don’t know anything about the systems and real gameplay. You take the hud away and VIIR looks not that far removed. It’s not like this had extreme juggles or anything. Other then the less colorful and out there look, nothing in the story also sounded beyond FFXIV.
But yes mainline FF is never going to be turn based again. That’s just the reality. But it doesn’t mean there can’t be depth or something more then just mashing X.
Well I would hope they would bring someone in that knows action gameplay to make sure the action feels good. But that dosent mean it’s a forgone conclusion that it will lack that good rpg stuff. They still have people who are experts on that stuff there.
But also you give me a Dragons Dogma with a cool story and good party members and honestly that sounds like an amazing game.
I never played Dragon's Dogma, always thought it looked kinda... generic.
Art direction is intentionally generic western fantasy in DD, all the creatures are basically verbatim recreations of their classic imagery, so not an absurd hot take-- ofc. DD is an amazing game beyond that.I never played Dragon's Dogma, always thought it looked kinda... generic.
:titus
TBH i watched the trailer 4 or 5 times now, and i'm still not quite sure WTF the story is about, or who the characters even are, they look kind of anonymous, except for the kid in red, maybe.
They can't do worse than XV though, so on that front they're probably good.
Yeah those were some plot elements i gathered, but it's edited in a weird way, and the protagonist looks so anonymous, that i wasn't even sure if you were him, or multiple people.TBH i watched the trailer 4 or 5 times now, and i'm still not quite sure WTF the story is about, or who the characters even are, they look kind of anonymous, except for the kid in red, maybe.
They can't do worse than XV though, so on that front they're probably good.
Seemed pretty straight forward? But I play lots of jrpgs.
You play as a bodyguard guy guarding a special prince kid thing, bad guys are after him, turns out the kid is the phoenix summon, war and shit, the end.
It's mainly the guy that did Dragon's Dogma and DMC 5 combat had to be brought on to the project because of those strengths.breh is this confirmed?
Yeah those were some plot elements i gathered, but it's edited in a weird way, and the protagonist looks so anonymous, that i wasn't even sure if you were him, or multiple people.TBH i watched the trailer 4 or 5 times now, and i'm still not quite sure WTF the story is about, or who the characters even are, they look kind of anonymous, except for the kid in red, maybe.
They can't do worse than XV though, so on that front they're probably good.
Seemed pretty straight forward? But I play lots of jrpgs.
You play as a bodyguard guy guarding a special prince kid thing, bad guys are after him, turns out the kid is the phoenix summon, war and shit, the end.
TBH Agni's Philosophy conveyed a better sense of drama in a similar time frame (even if it didn't really have a larger plot to get across).
This one almost seemed a trailer for a running show you're supposed to already be familiar with.
EDIT: Maybe the main character is so anonymous, because you can create a character. :thinking
Yeah after watching direct feed trailers. Yeah no, this looks great. This is a type of FF I've been looking for. Just please have party members.That gif you posted highlights one of the problems:
the battle arena style made me wonder if they were more instanced boss areas. very pragmatic. i know what you mean about destructible props, but that just seems like a token graphical distraction. ff has always been about you vs the enemy. the environment is not a part of the battles.
imo, it looks like they have their priorities in the right place. people calling this out as some normie trad western fantasy shite are just wrong. this is going to be rife with weird japanese takes on western tropes like any ff that has ever been.I'm just saying FFIX and XII immediately stand out, even when taking Western Fantasy tropes and doing their things with it.
For the first time ever a new FF reveal registered not a single emotion with me. I was staring at my phone like a zombie.
For the first time ever a new FF reveal registered not a single emotion with me. I was staring at my phone like a zombie.
Idk been like this since 13.
For the first time ever a new FF reveal registered not a single emotion with me. I was staring at my phone like a zombie.
Idk been like this since 13.
Thank goodness they went with this direction.. It was a smart move, imo. Fucking shit, I love DD!Art direction is intentionally generic western fantasy in DD, all the creatures are basically verbatim recreations of their classic imagery, so not an absurd hot take-- ofc. DD is an amazing game beyond that.I never played Dragon's Dogma, always thought it looked kinda... generic.
:titus
FFXVI did remind me of the DD's environments, in how empty they were, the only problem is, the two games are 2 generations apart. :lol
worst thing is that the faces all look like they were designed in a shitty character creator :yuck :lol
I watched the trailer again and it doesn't look as bad as my first watch of it when I was expecting something more akin to Agni with amazing visuals and art.
Honestly outside the combat gameplay scenes, the cutscene stuff all looks fine. Summons are a bit bland looking, as are the character designs, but it looks solid.
The gameplay stuff just looks real empty in the reveal of just 1 on 1 battles in empty box arenas. It reminds me of when they announce Tales of games and they just show the lead beating up an enemy or two. Looks lame and empty and then then later there's full party combat and Tales battles look good. Hopefully that'll be the case here.
Also apparently they're aiming for 2021 for this?? It looks...early. Guessing it'll bump to at least 2022.
And the combat looks a lot like DMC on second look. You can see the FF summons are being used as DMC style weapons with Titan's fists and Phoenix wings and stuff. Dunno how that'll play out but it's a thing.
At least part of the problem with the trailer is that there are no massive, cool-looking cities with tons of stuff going on. Just all closeups of characters [who don't look that great to begin with], a few short clips of some kind of war going on, and then some in-game combat. Just makes the whole thing feel really small-scale and cheap.
Yeah, plus nothing much of the environments, which is what mostly sells me on FF and keeps me interested even if the gameplay is mediocre. Everything looks too grounded and non-fantastical, and the low contrast makes it look even blander.
Yeah, plus nothing much of the environments, which is what mostly sells me on FF and keeps me interested even if the gameplay is mediocre. Everything looks too grounded and non-fantastical, and the low contrast makes it look even blander.
What's funny is all the people going "RETURNING TO HIGH FANTASY!!!! PUTTING THE FANTASY IN FINAL FANTASY!!!!" is that nothing in that trailer even seems truly fantastical spectacle besides a kid growing into a summon. If we are talking the environment exclusively it looks the opposite of high fantasy. The FFX trailer I posted looks more fantastical. Again, just talking first impressions because there's much we don't know.
It looks worse than VIIR.
It looks worse than VIIR.
This is a fact, I’ve just loaded up ff7remake and done the first little bit and it shits all over this graphically :lol :lol :lol
YoshiP's involvement gives hope and FFXIV has an EXCELLENT sense of adventure like the FF's of old within the confines of an MMO.
However, this isn't directed by YoshiP this is directed by the same guy that directed The Last Remnant. When you piece that together, it makes even more sense. FFXVI looks like a continuation of that game in terms of character design and aesthetic.
(https://i.imgur.com/uyAmNNP.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/DUtbKCY.jpg)
It looks worse than VIIR.
This is a fact, I’ve just loaded up ff7remake and done the first little bit and it shits all over this graphically :lol :lol :lol
And then you go the slums and it looks like an up-ressed PS3 launch game.
For the record, I’m not even bitching about it. I loved the game. But the disparity in graphical quality between different areas was insane.
It looks worse than VIIR.
This is a fact, I’ve just loaded up ff7remake and done the first little bit and it shits all over this graphically :lol :lol :lol
YoshiP's involvement gives hope and FFXIV has an EXCELLENT sense of adventure like the FF's of old within the confines of an MMO.
However, this isn't directed by YoshiP this is directed by the same guy that directed The Last Remnant. When you piece that together, it makes even more sense. FFXVI looks like a continuation of that game in terms of character design and aesthetic.
(https://i.imgur.com/uyAmNNP.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/DUtbKCY.jpg)
I mean Hiroshi Takai was the assistant director for FFXIV 2.0 and Heavensward. And the writer of FFXVI is Kazutoyo Maehiro the writer of FFXIV 2.0 and Heavensward and Matsuno's right-hand person who worked on Vagrant Story/FFT/FFXII with YoshiP producing.
https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Kazutoyo_Maehiro
It's like 95% the FFXIV team that made ARR (2.0) and Heavensward + DMCV/Dragon's Dogma battle designer.
Ive watched the trailer multiple times and I seriously don't get an FF vibe at all. I say this as someone that likes high fantasy FF's. The character design for example is extremely unappealing to me. The main character is a dark haired guy with a mark on his face? Where's his distinguishing features? Ramza has the purple clothing and the spiked dark knight armor. Terra's got her green hair. Cloud has his sword and spikey blonde hair. Squall had his leather jacket and gunblade. Zidane's tail. Vivi's hat. Tidus' unique ensemble. Basch's badassery and Fran's exotic coolness. Faris in V, Kain in IV, the iconic fighter and black mage in I. Barret's gunarm. Edea's makeup and horns. Iconic. All of them. Even Lightning and Noctis stick out.As i said it looks like even the main characters were created with a character creator.
I looked at this trailer and nothing sticks out. It doesn't look appealing at all. It didn't make a good first impression. And this is just the topic of character design. This is without mentioning the fact the main character warps around the battlefield like Noctis. In every way, even in combat, the game screams unoriginal and bland.
Easily the worst FF reveal of all time.
Ive watched the trailer multiple times and I seriously don't get an FF vibe at all. I say this as someone that likes high fantasy FF's. The character design for example is extremely unappealing to me. The main character is a dark haired guy with a mark on his face? Where's his distinguishing features? Ramza has the purple clothing and the spiked dark knight armor. Terra's got her green hair. Cloud has his sword and spikey blonde hair. Squall had his leather jacket and gunblade. Zidane's tail. Vivi's hat. Tidus' unique ensemble. Basch's badassery and Fran's exotic coolness. Faris in V, Kain in IV, the iconic fighter and black mage in I. Barret's gunarm. Edea's makeup and horns. Iconic. All of them. Even Lightning and Noctis stick out.As i said it looks like even the main characters were created with a character creator.
I looked at this trailer and nothing sticks out. It doesn't look appealing at all. It didn't make a good first impression. And this is just the topic of character design. This is without mentioning the fact the main character warps around the battlefield like Noctis. In every way, even in combat, the game screams unoriginal and bland.
Easily the worst FF reveal of all time.
The only one that visually sticks out is the child, because of the red robe (and because he's a child).
Also i think Akihito Yoshida's character designs are incredible in Vagrant Story and Tactics, i even have his artbook.
In this one though it looks really uninspired, very disappointing to see his working on this, and this is the result, it's like they took his usual fantasy designs, and put them in a "blAnder" ( :rimshot).
I know he supposedly worked on XIV too, but that one looks stupid mostly because it's an MMO, so i can forgive its lack of cohesion.
Yeah, plus nothing much of the environments, which is what mostly sells me on FF and keeps me interested even if the gameplay is mediocre. Everything looks too grounded and non-fantastical, and the low contrast makes it look even blander.
What's funny is all the people going "RETURNING TO HIGH FANTASY!!!! PUTTING THE FANTASY IN FINAL FANTASY!!!!" is that nothing in that trailer even seems truly fantastical spectacle besides a kid growing into a summon. If we are talking the environment exclusively it looks the opposite of high fantasy. The FFX trailer I posted looks more fantastical. Again, just talking first impressions because there's much we don't know.
Yeah, plus nothing much of the environments, which is what mostly sells me on FF and keeps me interested even if the gameplay is mediocre. Everything looks too grounded and non-fantastical, and the low contrast makes it look even blander.
What's funny is all the people going "RETURNING TO HIGH FANTASY!!!! PUTTING THE FANTASY IN FINAL FANTASY!!!!" is that nothing in that trailer even seems truly fantastical spectacle besides a kid growing into a summon. If we are talking the environment exclusively it looks the opposite of high fantasy. The FFX trailer I posted looks more fantastical. Again, just talking first impressions because there's much we don't know.
And even the 'medieval', swords and sorcery of 1-5 had their shares of otherworldly, fantastical settings. Floating space castles (1), the interior of a tornado (2), the ocean floor (3 and 5), a castle made of pulsating flesh (5), the inside of a giant robot (4)...
See, those designs from XIV i don't like, armors are too busy looking, with random spikes everywhere, and i don't like how clumsy the blend of different cultural elements is (but this extends to many MMos in general, with their kitchen sink approach).Ive watched the trailer multiple times and I seriously don't get an FF vibe at all. I say this as someone that likes high fantasy FF's. The character design for example is extremely unappealing to me. The main character is a dark haired guy with a mark on his face? Where's his distinguishing features? Ramza has the purple clothing and the spiked dark knight armor. Terra's got her green hair. Cloud has his sword and spikey blonde hair. Squall had his leather jacket and gunblade. Zidane's tail. Vivi's hat. Tidus' unique ensemble. Basch's badassery and Fran's exotic coolness. Faris in V, Kain in IV, the iconic fighter and black mage in I. Barret's gunarm. Edea's makeup and horns. Iconic. All of them. Even Lightning and Noctis stick out.As i said it looks like even the main characters were created with a character creator.
I looked at this trailer and nothing sticks out. It doesn't look appealing at all. It didn't make a good first impression. And this is just the topic of character design. This is without mentioning the fact the main character warps around the battlefield like Noctis. In every way, even in combat, the game screams unoriginal and bland.
Easily the worst FF reveal of all time.
The only one that visually sticks out is the child, because of the red robe (and because he's a child).
Also i think Akihito Yoshida's character designs are incredible in Vagrant Story and Tactics, i even have his artbook.
In this one though it looks really uninspired, very disappointing to see his working on this, and this is the result, it's like they took his usual fantasy designs, and put them in a "blAnder" ( :rimshot).
I know he supposedly worked on XIV too, but that one looks stupid mostly because it's an MMO, so i can forgive its lack of cohesion.
I have no why Yoshida is not on this.
His work in FFXIV is stupendous. It perfectly blends his style with Amano's designs in full 3D. Despite looking like FFXIV in terms of graphics it lacks FFXIV's spectacular art design which is...underwhelming and baffling?
(https://i.imgur.com/JtcL0jB.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/5wARktE.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/MDCDqfj.jpg)
The MMO looks better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3aDgq5HQeM
Also Yoshida is not character designer.
In designing the character of Vaan for Final Fantasy XII, initially the character was "rugged" and "tough", but after considering the demographics of the games audience, the character was made younger and thinner.[5] Once the actors motion captured and voice actor Kohei Takeda did the part, the character became slightly less effeminate than was originally designed.[5] Yoshida set out to create a cast of characters who looked unlike any previous Final Fantasy cast.[6] He also stated that the character reflected what Japanese audiences want, but that they try to design characters everyone likes.[6]And i've read he's working on XVI too (the game is listed on his Wiki page, dunno if it's confirmed), so that's why i'm mentioning his designs :yeshrug.
Yeah, I mean say what you want but if this turns out to be a non-fucked up development problems game, this will legit be the first original single player FF game with a coherent vision from start to finish released since FFX. twenty years ago.
That is insane that it's been twenty years since there has been a single player FF game that wasn't a mess. Although maybe FFX-2, FFXIII-2, FFXIII-3 count, idk.
I mean there's still zero gaurantee this won't be a mess, but without trying to aim for impossible high budget CG looks and stuff and just putting out a game that they've been working on since 2016 after Heavensward development ended gives a good possibility of a non-mess FF game that may actually feel complete and cohesive. Which, along with being made by good staff, is exciting.
The spikes are a call back to Amano.I like Amano.
It's basically Amano in 3D.
Complaints about the graphics are ironic to me considering years of shitting on Square because of how they prioritize graphics over a game.Different people have different opinons, and complain about different things.
This series can not win.
Complain about how the series has nonsensical character designs. Now it’s complaints when it has restrained and less over the top designs that fit the tone it’s going for.
Complain about how the series is overly anime bs, now complain that it’s not.
Complain that it’s action combat, but somehow have no problem with action rpgs in general.
Complain how the art direction hasn’t been cohesive. Now it’s complaints because it’s simpler and more grounded(at least in this first trailer).
Complain about how it’s action combat when the last big game did action combat well and fail to realize the series will never go back to then based. And that action combat does not have to be bad.
Complain about the series bad storytelling and show no optimism for a different type of storytelling that could be possible.
Complain about the series graphics focus and now complain about a perfectly fine looking game.
Complain that the series is the same shit over and over again. Now complain that the new installment does not look like the other games.
Just nothing but endless complaining. It’s good that some of you say your done with the series. Let it go, so you can stop complaining.
I was right about VIIR. I’ll be right about this.
The spikes are a call back to Amano.I like Amano.
It's basically Amano in 3D.
But you know when you see a real life cosplay of a cool fictional character, and it just looks completely dorky? That's the impression i get from trying to do Amano in 3D (with non-stylized graphics, anyway).
The spikes are a call back to Amano.I like Amano.
It's basically Amano in 3D.
But you know when you see a real life cosplay of a cool fictional character, and it just looks completely dorky? That's the impression i get from trying to do Amano in 3D (with non-stylized graphics, anyway).
The spikes are a call back to Amano.I like Amano.
It's basically Amano in 3D.
But you know when you see a real life cosplay of a cool fictional character, and it just looks completely dorky? That's the impression i get from trying to do Amano in 3D (with non-stylized graphics, anyway).
I was really hoping for XVI to have Amano designs and fully stylized in-game so it looks like Vampire Hunter D or something but in video game form. Change it so not everyone is blonde, have Alexander O. Smith localize it, and bam.
Imagine if it looked like this but in-game.
(https://i.imgur.com/W5GHtAN.jpg)
Would be a dream come true.
stop with the butthurt. it's shameful.The spikes are a call back to Amano.I like Amano.
It's basically Amano in 3D.
But you know when you see a real life cosplay of a cool fictional character, and it just looks completely dorky? That's the impression i get from trying to do Amano in 3D (with non-stylized graphics, anyway).
I was really hoping for XVI to have Amano designs and fully stylized in-game so it looks like Vampire Hunter D or something but in video game form. Change it so not everyone is blonde, have Alexander O. Smith localize it, and bam.
Imagine if it looked like this but in-game.
(https://i.imgur.com/W5GHtAN.jpg)
Would be a dream come true.
have you watched vampire hunter d lately? :holeup :kobeyuck :badass
I mean I do think most of you hate FF. Which is fine. I just think you should admit it or come to terms with the fact these games aren’t for you anymore and leave it alone. You’ll probably be happier. It’s been the same complaints for over a decade now, you’re not going to get the game you want.I don't hate FF, i also don't love FF.
(https://i.imgur.com/shvnMoY.gif)Oh yeah, love Angel's Egg. :heart
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It should be clear anyone reading that I adore FF.Yes, I'm aware you do.