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General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: PhoenixWright on February 03, 2007, 06:26:55 PM

Title: Evilbore filmmakers, a question.
Post by: PhoenixWright on February 03, 2007, 06:26:55 PM: I'm making a short film (Bad video game review) and I need to stage getting high. What's the best (cheap) way of getting enough smoke in a room to make it look realistic?
Title: Re: Evilbore filmmakers, a question.
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on February 03, 2007, 06:28:32 PM: Have a smoker walk in, puff a pack or two, and get to work! :P

But seriously, don't settle for a fog machine.

Actually, IIRC, that's how Tony Scott gets so much smoke into scenes in his films. He has a smoker from his crew puff a couple cigarettes and get the shot.
Title: Re: Evilbore filmmakers, a question.
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 03, 2007, 06:30:44 PM: Yeah, it's probably cheaper to actually get real pot. It's less damaging to your health than cigarettes.
Title: Re: Evilbore filmmakers, a question.
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on February 03, 2007, 06:31:49 PM: Quote from: Willco on February 03, 2007, 06:30:44 PM
Yeah, it's probably cheaper to actually get real pot. It's less damaging to your health than cigarettes.

Probably, but its illegal.

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Title: Re: Evilbore filmmakers, a question.
Post by: bud on February 03, 2007, 06:33:56 PM: not if you live in the netherlands ;)
Title: Re: Evilbore filmmakers, a question.
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on February 03, 2007, 06:34:33 PM: Real smoke isnt very controlable. You can rent a smoke machine at a party shop for $20 or so.
Title: Re: Evilbore filmmakers, a question.
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on February 03, 2007, 06:35:08 PM: Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on February 03, 2007, 06:34:33 PM
Real smoke isnt very controlable. You can rent a smoke machine at a party shop for $20 or so.

Uh, don't do this.
Title: Re: Evilbore filmmakers, a question.
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on February 03, 2007, 06:37:10 PM: Quote from: The Dark Shake on February 03, 2007, 06:35:08 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on February 03, 2007, 06:34:33 PM
Real smoke isnt very controlable. You can rent a smoke machine at a party shop for $20 or so.

Uh, don't do this.

You're gonna want to talk to the place that rents them and see if it will set off fire alarms or not. Most of the time its not real smoke, but just ask to be sure.
Title: Re: Evilbore filmmakers, a question.
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on February 03, 2007, 06:39:59 PM: In my experience, smoke machines make the most manufactured looking smoke imaginable. For that "authentic" quality, you're gonna wanna go with real smoke.
Title: Re: Evilbore filmmakers, a question.
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on February 03, 2007, 06:41:12 PM: Quote from: The Dark Shake on February 03, 2007, 06:39:59 PM
In my experience, smoke machines make the most manufactured looking smoke imaginable. For that "authentic" quality, you're gonna wanna go with real smoke.

What the fuck is he making? Citizen Kane?
Title: Re: Evilbore filmmakers, a question.
Post by: bud on February 03, 2007, 06:42:47 PM: why buy/rent a smoke machine when you can use cigarettes which also seem to have a better effect?
Title: Re: Evilbore filmmakers, a question.
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on February 03, 2007, 06:43:48 PM: Exactly, FoC. Why waste money on a smoke machine when you can buy a pack of cigs and get a better effect? ::)

You're probably one of the most inept film school students I've ever encountered.
Title: Re: Evilbore filmmakers, a question.
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on February 03, 2007, 06:45:46 PM: Do yall think they have pot heads sit around set in hollywood whenever they need smoke? :lol

I guess the cheapest way would be to smoke, but you'll need to be smoking ALOT to fill up a room. Not to mention smoke alarms. And also depending on how long the scene is You'll probably go through a few packs. Also, who is going to be smoking these cigarettes? There is alot to think about. He asked a film student and I replied as one. If I told my professor that I was going to just have a bunch of doods smoke to get a smoking effect he would probably laugh at the idea.

But, it is cheap and if you think it will work go for it.
Title: Re: Evilbore filmmakers, a question.
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on February 03, 2007, 06:46:37 PM: Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on February 03, 2007, 06:45:46 PM
Do yall think they have pot heads sit around set in hollywood whenever they need smoke? :lol

Did you read my Tony Scott example, asshole? ::)
Title: Re: Evilbore filmmakers, a question.
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on February 03, 2007, 06:49:53 PM: Quote from: The Dark Shake on February 03, 2007, 06:46:37 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on February 03, 2007, 06:45:46 PM
Do yall think they have pot heads sit around set in hollywood whenever they need smoke? :lol

Did you read my Tony Scott example, asshole? ::)

I gurantee one guy blowing smoke will not fill a room full for comedic effect.
Title: Re: Evilbore filmmakers, a question.
Post by: TVC15 on February 03, 2007, 06:53:03 PM: Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on February 03, 2007, 06:41:12 PM
Quote from: The Dark Shake on February 03, 2007, 06:39:59 PM
In my experience, smoke machines make the most manufactured looking smoke imaginable. For that "authentic" quality, you're gonna wanna go with real smoke.

What the fuck is he making? Citizen Kane?

I have to agree with FoC here. He's making a parody video game review. I don't think it matters if the "smoke" isn't refracting light like authentic marijuana smoke. Also working with real cigarette or weed smoke, you'd have to know the best environmental situation to prevent rapid smoke dispersal, and since most people don't know that shit offhand, it would take experimenting, and wasting time and cigarettes, or worse, weed.

Get the fucking smoke machine.
Title: Re: Evilbore filmmakers, a question.
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on February 03, 2007, 06:54:51 PM: Comedic effect? He asked to make a cheap "getting high" scene, not Harold and Kumar.

Pack of cigarettes -- authentic, cheap, takes a few minutes

Smoke machine -- expensive, cheap looking, for the lazy
Title: Re: Evilbore filmmakers, a question.
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on February 03, 2007, 06:55:54 PM: Somehow I doubt he is making a drama about a pothead who plays video games.
Title: Re: Evilbore filmmakers, a question.
Post by: bud on February 03, 2007, 06:56:35 PM: tvc = white man right?
Title: Re: Evilbore filmmakers, a question.
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on February 03, 2007, 06:58:31 PM: Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on February 03, 2007, 06:55:54 PM
Somehow I doubt he is making a drama about a pothead who plays video games.

He already said he's making a cheap short about about video games with a smoking scene. Why the fuck would he need to rent out a fucking smoke machine for one scene, when there are cheaper and more effective alternatives? Keep that film school "by the book" shit outta here. ::)
Title: Re: Evilbore filmmakers, a question.
Post by: TVC15 on February 03, 2007, 06:59:21 PM: Quote from: The Dark Shake on February 03, 2007, 06:54:51 PM
Comedic effect? He asked to make a cheap "getting high" scene, not Harold and Kumar.

Pack of cigarettes -- authentic, cheap, takes a few minutes

Smoke machine -- expensive, cheap looking, for the lazy

Dude, he is making a PARODY VIDEO GAME REVIEW, not fucking the Departed.

He has made it clear that he doesn't really know what he's doing when it comes to real smoke. Cigarettes and weed would be wasting time. He can get a smoke machine extra cheap, and it's a load off his back, and he'll probably save a couple of hours or even a day of fucking around with real smoke. In the end the saved time more than pays for the fucking machine.

And yes I am white man.

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Why the fuck would he need to rent out a fucking smoke machine for one scene, when there are cheaper and more effective alternatives?

Shake, in this case, time is money. He can spend 20 bucks and get it done quick, or spend 5-10 bucks and spend a day inventing the wheel. In the end, what's best?
Title: Re: Evilbore filmmakers, a question.
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on February 03, 2007, 07:01:33 PM: Well, if his time really equals money (which I doubt), then a smoke machine is fine. But why not save a couple bucks and get a better effect if it means half an hour or so of preperation?
Title: Re: Evilbore filmmakers, a question.
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on February 03, 2007, 07:03:12 PM: Quote from: The Dark Shake on February 03, 2007, 07:01:33 PM
Well, if his time really equals money (which I doubt), then a smoke machine is fine. But why not save a couple bucks and get a better effect if it means half an hour or so of preperation?

I know this isnt a real film set, but nowhere else is "Time=Money" more true than in film. I gurantee it.
Title: Re: Evilbore filmmakers, a question.
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on February 03, 2007, 07:04:42 PM: But he's not making Citizen Kane. ;)
Title: Re: Evilbore filmmakers, a question.
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on February 03, 2007, 07:06:00 PM: Quote from: The Dark Shake on February 03, 2007, 07:04:42 PM
But he's not making Citizen Kane. ;)

Thats why i said "I know this isnt a real film set..."
Title: Re: Evilbore filmmakers, a question.
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on February 03, 2007, 07:08:02 PM: OMG HE'S GONNA SPEND SOOO MUCH TIME doesn't work in this case, its ONE FUCKING SCENE in a "non serious" short. C'mon, this isn't a time = money situation by any stretch of the imagination, and having people smoke a couple cigs isn't going to take hours upon hours. Use some fucking rationale, people.
Title: Re: Evilbore filmmakers, a question.
Post by: brawndolicious on February 03, 2007, 07:09:49 PM: He said the best way is the "cheap" way, so if he smokes that way makes the most sense because even if it doesn't work...he's using the cigarettes or weed. But I doubt it could be thick enough, and while smoke machines look fake, they're still thick enough and that's all that he really cares about.
Title: Re: Evilbore filmmakers, a question.
Post by: bagofeyes on February 03, 2007, 07:10:08 PM: Why don't you just buy a pack of cigs, puff on some, see the result? If it sucks, get the machine.
Title: Re: Evilbore filmmakers, a question.
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 03, 2007, 07:11:06 PM: Quote from: bagofeyes on February 03, 2007, 07:10:08 PM
Why don't you just buy a pack of cigs, puff on some, see the result? If it sucks, get the machine.

^^

Pretty much.
Title: Re: Evilbore filmmakers, a question.
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on February 03, 2007, 07:11:10 PM: Quote from: bagofeyes on February 03, 2007, 07:10:08 PM
Why don't you just buy a pack of cigs, puff on some, see the result? If it sucks, get the machine.

Exactly.

nintenho = he never said how "thick" he wanted it to be, so your fears are pretty much unwarranted.
Title: Re: Evilbore filmmakers, a question.
Post by: brawndolicious on February 03, 2007, 07:14:23 PM: Quote from: The Dark Shake on February 03, 2007, 07:11:10 PM
nintenho = he never said how "thick" he wanted it to be, so your fears are pretty much unwarranted.
thick enough to not vanish after four milliseconds?
Title: Re: Evilbore filmmakers, a question.
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on February 03, 2007, 07:15:42 PM: Is he shooting in an open field, or a closed room? ::)
Title: Re: Evilbore filmmakers, a question.
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 03, 2007, 07:17:20 PM: Just get some pot.
Title: Re: Evilbore filmmakers, a question.
Post by: brawndolicious on February 03, 2007, 07:20:15 PM: Well maybe the guy doesn't want to be buzzed when he's on camera?
Quote from: Willco on February 03, 2007, 07:17:20 PM
Just get some pot.
Good advice.
Title: Re: Evilbore filmmakers, a question.
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on February 03, 2007, 07:21:48 PM: Quote from: am nintenho on February 03, 2007, 07:20:15 PM
Well maybe the guy doesn't want to be buzzed when he's on camera?
Quote from: Willco on February 03, 2007, 07:17:20 PM
Just get some pot.
Good advice.

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Title: Re: Evilbore filmmakers, a question.
Post by: brawndolicious on February 03, 2007, 07:25:34 PM: Quote from: The Dark Shake on February 03, 2007, 07:21:48 PM
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He can at least use it for something useful, more expensive then cigarettes though.
Title: Re: Evilbore filmmakers, a question.
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on February 03, 2007, 07:28:03 PM: You said the guy shouldn't get buzzed on camera, than you told Willco his "get some pot" advice was good?

Are you being sarcastic, or just straight-up distinguished mentally-challenged?
Title: Re: Evilbore filmmakers, a question.
Post by: brawndolicious on February 03, 2007, 07:31:43 PM: Quote from: The Dark Shake on February 03, 2007, 07:28:03 PM
You said the guy shouldn't get buzzed on camera, than you told Willco his "get some pot" advice was good?
Litte butt-munch, I'm saying get a smoke machine, film it, smoke pot later to celebrate.

Cause as far as I know that's the best idea.
Title: Re: Evilbore filmmakers, a question.
Post by: TVC15 on February 03, 2007, 07:32:43 PM: Man, if am nintenho smoked weed, the sheer magnitude of the sciencey Retardo Field generated by him would probably destroy the world, or at the very least make all televisions in the world retardedly tune in to Reba.
Title: Re: Evilbore filmmakers, a question.
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on February 03, 2007, 07:35:51 PM: Quote from: am nintenho on February 03, 2007, 07:31:43 PM
Quote from: The Dark Shake on February 03, 2007, 07:28:03 PM
You said the guy shouldn't get buzzed on camera, than you told Willco his "get some pot" advice was good?
Litte butt-munch, I'm saying get a smoke machine, film it, smoke pot later to celebrate.

Cause as far as I know that's the best idea.

You're an idiot.
Title: Re: Evilbore filmmakers, a question.
Post by: brawndolicious on February 03, 2007, 07:40:24 PM: Quote from: TVC 15 on February 03, 2007, 07:32:43 PM
Man, if am nintenho smoked weed, the sheer magnitude of the sciencey Retardo Field generated by him would probably destroy the world, or at the very least make all televisions in the world retardedly tune in to Reba.
I don't watch TV, what would happen?
Title: Re: Evilbore filmmakers, a question.
Post by: PhoenixWright on February 03, 2007, 07:56:27 PM: Closed room.

And I -do- want it to be at "Harold and Kumar" levels of smoke.

I found a store around here selling small smoke machines for $24.99, I'll probably just go with that.
Title: Re: Evilbore filmmakers, a question.
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on February 03, 2007, 07:56:53 PM: Go for it.
Title: Re: Evilbore filmmakers, a question.
Post by: Tauntaun on February 03, 2007, 08:26:24 PM: I love these types of threads, they always end up like this:

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OP: Hey guys I've got *insert problem here* and I need some advice, what would you recommend?

1P: FHUTA!! AMIRITE!?!?!?

2P: You should do *Option A*

3P: 2P is a asstard, go with *Option B*

4P: Suck my ass 3P, you don't know anything you're only 15!! I'm 16.5 yrs old and have 1.5 years more experience therefore I hold all the secrets to the UNIVERSE!!!11one

5P: OP don't listen to this jackoff, he's a moron, go with *Option B*. Let me tell you why *bullshit about option A*.

6P: NO! 5P is a douche, go with *Option A*. Let me tell you why *bullshit about option B*.

OP: I'm confused.
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Solution: Don't ask Evilbore/GAF for advice. BTW, GAF spelled backwards is cigarillo, just thought I'd point that out.