THE BORE
General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: Himu on February 09, 2007, 03:06:54 PM
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Amazing movie. Watch it.
Ebert's review is spot on.
http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20000319/REVIEWS08/3190301/1023
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its blasphemy that no one has posted in this thread yet, so i'm posting. its amazing.
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Whoever can't cry or feel some emotion after watching this isn't a sentient lifeform.
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Why so shocked at the lack of posts? Most of eb seems to hate anime.
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pretentious, cheap and not sad
old OA post...
Why is everyone hyping this movie as if it was the saddest story ever put on film? I'd say this is a very good, melancholic, intimate film with a realistic protrayal of characters... however, nothing in this movie made me react. Not the slightest. It's even boring at times with all those mundane actions the characters do on screen.
Characters were true, but the enemies were faceless and briefly bombing with planes from above, apart from that none of the Japanese characters were really evil-- everyone had his or her own reasons to act cold and somewhat apathetic to the two young children trying to survive the bombings.
After having viewed this supposedly everyone is traumatized to the point of hugging their sweetheart or children... but that didn't made me feel bad at all. That didn't made me be thankful of all the comfort and ample supply of food I had. Heck, I felt like listening to punk-rock music afterwards! This movie's powerful message and emotions aren't nearly as powerful as everyone on the Internet pretends...
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Goddamit, Mondain strikes again.
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Why so shocked at the lack of posts? Most of eb seems to hate anime.
Why does it have to be because it's an anime? It should be because it's a film.
Because it is animated and from Japan, "Grave of the Fireflies" has been little seen. When anime fans say how good the film is, nobody takes them seriously. Now that it's available on DVD with a choice of subtitles or English dubbing, maybe it will find the attention it deserves. Yes, it's a cartoon, and the kids have eyes like saucers, but it belongs on any list of the greatest war films ever made.
- Ebert
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pretentious, cheap and not sad
old OA post...
Why is everyone hyping this movie as if it was the saddest story ever put on film? I'd say this is a very good, melancholic, intimate film with a realistic protrayal of characters... however, nothing in this movie made me react. Not the slightest. It's even boring at times with all those mundane actions the characters do on screen.
Characters were true, but the enemies were faceless and briefly bombing with planes from above, apart from that none of the Japanese characters were really evil-- everyone had his or her own reasons to act cold and somewhat apathetic to the two young children trying to survive the bombings.
After having viewed this supposedly everyone is traumatized to the point of hugging their sweetheart or children... but that didn't made me feel bad at all. That didn't made me be thankful of all the comfort and ample supply of food I had. Heck, I felt like listening to punk-rock music afterwards! This movie's powerful message and emotions aren't nearly as powerful as everyone on the Internet pretends...
The whole point of the movie is that the other side isn't the enemy, its the horror of war thats the enemy. Really starvation is a pretty good face for a villain.
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I'm convinced he's a goddamn idiot as of now. The point of Grave of the Fireflies is that no side wins, it's not even about sides, it's about the people who suffer the most when war time comes: children.
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it's everyone that becomes their own worst enemies when they could've helped one another instead, but the lack of ressources and the climate of uncertainty and terror makes it so that people hurt one another instead, and it produces collateral damages (the neglect of the two children)
the children hurt themselves pretty badly too, since at some point the older boy gets stubborn and strays from her aunt's appartment, resulting in his sister's death
the Americans are shown as faceless justly to show another side of these conflicts, but as it stands it remains a pretty cheap way to extract sympathy from the viewers, this is a movie with a powerful message but I didn't find it "depressing"-- however mainstream audiences that aren't used to anything else than cuddly Hollywood happy endings will be extremely saddened by its tragedy
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I read about this alot but I never seen it.
I guess I gotta check it out sometime
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the children hurt themselves pretty badly too, since at some point the older boy gets stubborn and strays from her aunt's appartment, resulting in his sister's death
He didn't get stubborn, she kicked them out.
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the children hurt themselves pretty badly too, since at some point the older boy gets stubborn and strays from her aunt's appartment, resulting in his sister's death
He didn't get stubborn, she kicked them out.
that'd be like a mix of the two from what I recall
anyhow the brother himself does a number of bad/stubborn decisions that makes the difference for his sister's fate through the course of the film... his aunt wasn't exactly a monster either
it goes to show that everyone is torn
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this film is teh max sadness :'( but oh so good.
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The brother does rash decisions because he's a child. Also, he has do the best he can because he's now homeless. That still reinforces the fact that the movie is about wars and it's effects on children.
Why are trying to find who's a monster or villian or whatever? That's not even the point of the film.
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The brother does rash decisions because he's a child. Also, he has do the best he can because he's now homeless. That still reinforces the fact that the movie is about wars and it's effects on children.
Why are trying to find who's a monster or villian or whatever? That's not even the point of the film.
The whole point, as you or someone else stated before, is that war is the evil and it doesn't matter who started it, the people always lose/suffer because of it.
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The brother does rash decisions because he's a child. Also, he has do the best he can because he's now homeless. That still reinforces the fact that the movie is about wars and it's effects on children.
Why are trying to find who's a monster or villian or whatever? That's not even the point of the film.
that's not what I attempted to do, but many view the aunt in this movie as evil, when in the end no one is and everyone pretty much has its part of responsibility on the horrible consequences of the end, all this due to the war
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The brother does rash decisions because he's a child. Also, he has do the best he can because he's now homeless. That still reinforces the fact that the movie is about wars and it's effects on children.
Why are trying to find who's a monster or villian or whatever? That's not even the point of the film.
The whole point, as you or someone else stated before, is that war is the evil and it doesn't matter who started it, the people always lose/suffer because of it.
Yes, but it seems I just misunderstood mondain.
The brother does rash decisions because he's a child. Also, he has do the best he can because he's now homeless. That still reinforces the fact that the movie is about wars and it's effects on children.
Why are trying to find who's a monster or villian or whatever? That's not even the point of the film.
that's not what I attempted to do, but many view the aunt in this movie as evil, when in the end no one is and everyone pretty much has its part of responsibility on the horrible consequences of the end, all this due to the war
Ah. I understand. Yeah, she's not evil per se, she just made a stupid and selfish decision.
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Why would I wanna watch a movie to feel like crap. Ill just take a mallet to my balls for way cheaper.
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The whole point of the movie is to not feel like crap. It's just a really well made story.
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Why would I wanna watch a movie to feel like crap. Ill just take a mallet to my balls for way cheaper.
Can I swing the mallet? :hyper
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I have a very somber library of movies and Fireflies still made me sad. Jotaro tries too hard.
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The brother does rash decisions because he's a child. Also, he has do the best he can because he's now homeless. That still reinforces the fact that the movie is about wars and it's effects on children.
Why are trying to find who's a monster or villian or whatever? That's not even the point of the film.
The whole point, as you or someone else stated before, is that war is the evil and it doesn't matter who started it, the people always lose/suffer because of it.
Yes, but it seems I just misunderstood mondain.
The brother does rash decisions because he's a child. Also, he has do the best he can because he's now homeless. That still reinforces the fact that the movie is about wars and it's effects on children.
Why are trying to find who's a monster or villian or whatever? That's not even the point of the film.
that's not what I attempted to do, but many view the aunt in this movie as evil, when in the end no one is and everyone pretty much has its part of responsibility on the horrible consequences of the end, all this due to the war
Ah. I understand. Yeah, she's not evil per se, she just made a stupid and selfish decision.
and her "selfish" attitude was pretty much due to the pressure that her children put on her shoulders
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"Selfish"? Are you serious? There was a war out there and she kicked two kids out to live on their own. How is that not selfish?
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"Selfish"? Are you serious? There was a war out there and she kicked two kids out to live on their own. How is that not selfish?
IRC she was a witch and did everything she could to get the kids to leave. but the actual descition to leave was his.
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"Selfish"? Are you serious? There was a war out there and she kicked two kids out to live on their own. How is that not selfish?
IRC she was a witch and did everything she could to get the kids to leave. but the actual descition to leave was his.
more like she was insistent, and kept pressing on the boy/asking questions so that he'd get news from his father and/or find another shelter to insure her sake and her progeniture's, but from what I recall it's not as if she was exactly resenting of the children's presence either, she still cared for them
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Ive got it MAF ill let you borrow it. Its good... Worth watching. Makes you thankful you live in a world where rice is plentiful and CHEAP