THE BORE
General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: Cheebs on February 10, 2007, 12:07:27 PM
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EDIT: His speech is on his website right now. http://www.barackobama.com/
Holy shit. I thought his 2004 DNC speech was great. This was possibly the most moving speech I have ever seen in my entire life. A video should be up soon but for now:
(http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2007/POLITICS/02/10/obama.president/newt1.obama7.ap.jpg)
SPRINGFIELD, Illinois (CNN) -- Sen. Barack Obama stood before the Capitol in his home state Saturday, as the popular lawmaker announced he will seek the 2008 Democratic nomination for president.
Invoking the memory of fellow Illinoisan and the 16th president of the United States, Abraham Lincoln, the first-term senator addressed thousands packed into the town square on a chilly day in America's heartland.
To chants of "Obama! Obama!," he told the crowd: "It was here, in Springfield, where North, South, East and West come together that I was reminded of the essential decency of the American people - where I came to believe that through this decency, we can build a more hopeful America," said the 45-year-old Obama, who, if elected, would become the nation's first African-American president.
He continued, "And that is why, in the shadow of the Old State Capitol, where Lincoln once called on a divided house to stand together, where common hopes and common dreams still live, I stand before you today to announce my candidacy for president of the United States of America."
Despite his brief tenure in the Senate, Obama has quickly gained popularity as he pondered his bid to break the Oval Office's color barrier.
According to a University of New Hampshire Survey Research Center conducted this month, Obama placed second, behind Sen. Hillary Clinton, among New Hampshire Democratic primary voters. Obama snared 21 percent of the vote in that popularity poll, trailing Clinton by 14 points.
While speculation is endless over whether a black presidential candidate can be viable, Obama -- whose first name comes from the Swahili word for "one who is blessed" -- has not let the color of skin hinder his career.
He has attended elite colleges -- Harvard and Columbia universities -- and was the first black president of the Harvard Law Review. He entered politics in Illinois, where he practiced civil rights law and taught at the University of Chicago Law School.
His first foray into the political realm came in 1997, when he took his seat in the state Senate, where he served until 2005. He was sworn in as a U.S. senator in 2005.
'People who love their country can change it'
In his Saturday announcement, Obama acknowledged that he hasn't been in Washington long, but said he was familiar enough with the city's political machinations to understand that change is in order.
"I recognize there is a certain presumptuousness in this -- a certain audacity -- to this announcement," Obama said. "I know that I haven't spent a lot of time learning the ways of Washington, but I've been there long enough to know that the ways of Washington must change."
He added, "People who love their country can change it."
Obama, the son of a black Kenyan father and white American mother, then invoked Lincoln's memory again.
"That's what Abraham Lincoln understood. He had his doubts. He had his defeats. He had his setbacks, but through his will and his words, he moved a nation and helped free a people.
Obama told the crowd he would tackle problems like poor schools, economic hardships and oil dependence, saying "failure of leadership" is to blame for not meeting the nation's challenges. He further called the Iraq war a "tragic mistake."
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He's moving to fast. Makes me think hes the anti-christ or something.
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He's moving to fast. Makes me think hes the anti-christ or something.
That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard but ok. Watch the speech in the link. It is impossible to not feel inspired.
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FlameOfCallandor is right. He's the Anti-Christ.
He also won't win. This was a great move for the GOP today, setting up whatever candidate they've got.
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Did you even SEE the speech? How can anyone declare it any less than the most inspirational speech giving in your lifetime?
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Who cares. He's not going to be the President. Nobody cares about speeches or the youth vote. He could give away free Xbox 360s at every rally and he'd still lose. His candidacy only helps the GOP. Good job, jerk.
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Either don't reply or watch the speech. Don't be such a cynic till you see this thing. I can't see how any american can't be moved when they don't see this. It leaves you in awe.
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One of the best speeches I have ever heard. It's a shame he probably won't be the next president, but oh well. The next president will be democrat that's all that matters. Let's try to put this country back together.
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The next President will not be Democrat if the party throws their weight behind either Obama or Hilary.
If you think race is not an issue an America, you're blind. And if you think speeches will make up for his lack of experience, you're deaf and blind.
He's not going to win. I've seen lots of good speeches from losers.
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Nobody's going to vote for a terrorist like Osama.
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I know race is an issue and that's why I said it's a shame he wouldn't win. For that reason, I merely said it was an excellent speech because it was. If the next president is a Republican then this country is going even further down the shithole, hopefully the American people will be smarter this election.
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Hillary is our next president. Money in the bank.*
* - Unless Guiliani somehow wins the Rep. nom.
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I'll bet you money on that, buddy. You'll lose.
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I agree. Unless its Rudy Hillary wins.
Who could win on the GOP side? Romney? He is a joke. McCain? He is no longer popular due to the Iraq War. Hillary beats him by larger and larger digits in every poll now.
Rudy is their only shot. But the GOP nominating a Pro-Choice Gay-Rights 3 times divorced guy just doesn't seem right.
The two convervative reagan-to-be's that GOP'ers where hoping for George Allen & Bill Frist both got lost in the shuffle due to 2006.
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do they american voters actually care about "experience"? obama will lose because the midwest is a bunch of paranoid racist fucks, not because of "lack of experience". i'd love to see stats that even remotely suggest that experience matters in electoral victories.
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do they american voters actually care about "experience"? obama will lose because the midwest is a bunch of paranoid racist fucks, not because of "lack of experience". i'd love to see stats that even remotely suggest that experience matters in electoral victories.
Eh I dunno. In primary polls the mid-west is where Obama does the best.
Oh and it almost never does. The most experienced candidate rarely if ever wins. Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, and George Bush all beat super experienced candidates.
I mean look at Bush he beat Al Gore who was in the senate for like a decade then vice president for 8 years. Bush had barely more than a term in Texas of all places.
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It's not a matter of who has more experience, but Obama has none. He's a junior senator. That's what did in Edwards, and he didn't have the whole black thing going against him. Obama is going to get SLAMMED by the Republicans for being nothing than a boy, then they'll let the racist talk do the rest.
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do they american voters actually care about "experience"? obama will lose because the midwest is a bunch of paranoid racist fucks, not because of "lack of experience". i'd love to see stats that even remotely suggest that experience matters in electoral victories.
The George Bush of 2000 would not win in the post 911 world; while no "polls" show this, history does over and over again. In 2000 and 1992 for that matter there was no "threat" from outside forces to this country. The Soviet Union was dead for all collective purposes, and America was "safe". Yet if we go back a few more years, to 1980, things were different. The Democrats had a candidate (Carter) who was seen as a good guy, but weak and inexperienced. He didn't instill much faith in the American people. Reagan was the exact opposite. While inexperienced in foreign policy (yet extremely knowledgeable in the subject as well as US foreign policy history), he instilled great confidence in the American people. I'm not saying Reagan was a great president; I'm saying he was great at reaching the American people and gaining their trust. People felt safe with Reagan for whatever reason, and as president he pursued a very aggresive foreign policy. While overrated in many regards, there is no denying that Reagan was indeed "The Great Communicator"
In 1984 Reagan won re-election in a historic landslide over Walter Mondale, who had no foreign policy experience and also was tainted by his connections to Carter. In 1988 George Bush Sr., a complete opposite to his son in terms of foreign policy experience and credibility, soundly defeated another Democrat perceived as weak on foreign policy (the tank) as well as social issues (the rape question, while unfair, gave the American public this opinion).
In 1992 HW Bush found himself in a world he was unfamiliar with. There was no enemy to pursue, and nothing to protect the American people from. With his foreign policy experience now insignifigant in this "new world" of American politics, his glaring flaws on other issues began to show up. HW Bush was never seen as a great speaker, and he often made public "goofs" and mistakes; yet these things didn't hurt him in 1988, or before. He lost to a pure politician who, like Reagan, knew how to gain the public's trust and support by talking their language: not a language of nuclear threats and great walls, but of taxes and health care. Clinton won again in 1996 against another Republican stuck in the "old world" of American politics.
In 2000 the younger Bush was able to defeat a career politician with lots of experience, yet who could not connect to the American public. Gore, at the time, was more of an "old world" politician than Bush, who was seen as someone not tainted by Washington. Oh how America was wrong
Obama:
I like Barak Obama, but I am almost sickened by the blind praise he gets for giving a good speech, or reciting JKF (another great speaker but poor politician), or telling everyone how great America is, etc. Have you people never heard a sermon? He reminds of of those types who "preach" for two and a half hours without saying anything.
Barak Obama entered the senate on a wave of popularity unseen in the political realm in decades. He assumed his place with great expectations. Yet four years later he hasn't done anything to support the idealistic personality he has cultivated in the public's eyes. Outside of the online pork barrel spending bill he co-sponsered with a Republican senater, he has no legislation credited to his name, to my knowledge.
Yet he has the audacity to declare "I know that I haven't spent a lot of time learning the ways of Washington, but I've been there long enough to know that the ways of Washington must change." The big problem most people perceive in Washington is that the senate and house simply don't do anything; as has been documented, the last few years have been very uneventful in the senate/house. And likewise, he hasn't done anything along with his fellow senators. Yet as is the case with most "non Washington politicians", he attempts to distance himself from others when in fact he's not much different.
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I would actually watch it if it wasn't shitty quality and doesn't buffer every 2 seconds.
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He's moving to fast. Makes me think hes the anti-christ or something.
Kill yourself.
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I don't know why people are making comments on how the midwest or Republicans will not vote for Obama .. he won't even make it past the early primaries to begin with. Those two entities are moot.
Iowa? N.H.? South Carolina?!
It's disappointing for me to see such a wide open field decided already .. but the Hillary machine is on its way.
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Speech wasn't great.
Music in the beginning was shitty.
This guy's chances aren't great but I'd vote for him.
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I think he has a pretty good speechwriter.
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I don't know why people are making comments on how the midwest or Republicans will not vote for Obama .. he won't even make it past the early primaries to begin with. Those two entities are moot.
Iowa? N.H.? South Carolina?!
It's disappointing for me to see such a wide open field decided already .. but the Hillary machine is on its way.
Finally someone gets it.
am nintenho FTW also
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lol, america must be certain their next president is ALWAYS a bad one and a stupid choice. they'll vote for CRAZY HILLARY
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc9y5ayeeb4
THE NEXT PREZ
HES COMING
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He's black
The corny speech and carlton-reactions are just natural.
It's not going to matter what he says, promises, or how smart he sounds.
He's black, his votes are decided.
If the republican nominee is Guliani then I'd like for Obama to run just to see if he could win.
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Watched it. It was nothing special.
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AFAIK Hillary still leads vs Obama, and McCain still leads vs Giuliani. How people can say neither of these candidates stand a chance in their respective parties when they lead the polls or their respective parties boggles this humble correspondent's mind.
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Giuliani's slightly ahead of McCain right now. It's too early to write anyone off, and it's really not like the polls matter at this point.
http://www.politics-now.com/polling/democratprimary2004b.htm
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Giuliani's slightly ahead of McCain right now. It's too early to write anyone off, and it's really not like the polls matter at this point.
http://www.politics-now.com/polling/democratprimary2004b.htm
Rudy is ahead in polls yes but the people who come out on primary day are the extreme of the extreme. Very very few show up to primary polls. Only the most politically savy of the respected parties tend to.
And the hardcore GOP base voting for a pro-choice pro-gay rights anti-gun liberal man is absurd.
Saying you'd vote for him in a poll is one thing, the ones who will show up on primary day for the GOP hate Rudy's guts.
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Saying you'd vote for him in a poll is one thing, the ones who will show up on primary day for the GOP hate Rudy's guts.
Uh so why follow polls at all then?
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Willco, after having watched the Colbert Report this past week, I can fully confirm that Obama is NOT black
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No black people I know listen to U2. >:(
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...you're criticizing his blackness?
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It was a joke. Sadly, that U2 song definitely sucked. What happened to them lol
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okay then.
as for your previous points about communism why people would feel uncomfortable about Obama:
BULLSHIT.
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okay then.
as for your previous points about communism why people would feel uncomfortable about Obama:
BULLSHIT.
Huh?
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Well he seems to be running more of a "I'm young and fresh I can change things!" and a "I'll be like Lincoln and re-unite the country" rather than a African American civil rights type of run ala Sharpton or Jesse Jackson so does it matter?
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Well he seems to be running more of a "I'm young and fresh I can change things!" and a "I'll be like Lincoln and re-unite the country" rather than a African American civil rights type of run ala Sharpton or Jesse Jackson so does it matter?
Why didn't he change anything in the senate lol? I love how everyone ignored my big ass post. History is fascinating gentlemen.
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Well he seems to be running more of a "I'm young and fresh I can change things!" and a "I'll be like Lincoln and re-unite the country" rather than a African American civil rights type of run ala Sharpton or Jesse Jackson so does it matter?
Why didn't he change anything in the senate lol? I love how everyone ignored my big ass post. History is fascinating gentlemen.
He's been there since 2005. You said 4 years. I count far less.
2005! And has been in the minority up untill a month ago.
On other news:
"Democratic sources say Hollywood producer Steven Spielberg, previously listed as a probable supporter of Sen. Barack Obama for president, has agreed to host a major fund-raiser for Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton. David Geffen and Jeffrey Katzenberg, Spielberg's colleagues at the DreamWorks film studio, are backing Obama. It was thought that Spielberg was too, but sources say Bill Clinton prevailed on him to help his wife. All three men were generous backers of the former president."
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Haha a Jew supporting a black man? Of course not. Spielberg knows what's up.
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Haha a Jew supporting a black man? Of course not. Spielberg knows what's up.
Care to back up your 4 years statement. Look it up he joined the senate in 2005. As a minority party meaning he had very little power in getting bills on the floor.
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By the time the election starts he would have been in the senate around 4 years. My bad. That doesn't change the fact that he's a junior senator with little to nothing to his name.
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By the time the election starts he would have been in the senate around 4 years. My bad. That doesn't change the fact that he's a junior senator with little to nothing to his name.
He mentions this in his speech. He is using or at least trying to use his lack of experience as a strong point. He wants to be seen as someone that is a outsider of politics and isn't part of DC.
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By the time the election starts he would have been in the senate around 4 years. My bad. That doesn't change the fact that he's a junior senator with little to nothing to his name.
He mentions this in his speech. He is using or at least trying to use his lack of experience as a strong point. He wants to be seen as someone that is a outsider of politics and isn't part of DC.
Do you think I don't know that? I mentioned in my post and why it pisses me off when politicians play that card.
Obama has little experience in the senate, almost no legislation to his credit (I'm still laughing that you have the...audacity to bring up bills he "sponsered"), and he's black. It's a done deal
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he's black, hence the impossibility of him taking the white house.
it's entertaining, for some, i guess.
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I think this proves beyond a doubt that futami and PD actually aren't intelligent at all and just try to find a meaning in fucking around on the internet.
You say you like him but:
Yet he has the audacity to declare "I know that I haven't spent a lot of time learning the ways of Washington, but I've been there long enough to know that the ways of Washington must change." The big problem most people perceive in Washington is that the senate and house simply don't do anything; as has been documented, the last few years have been very uneventful in the senate/house. And likewise, he hasn't done anything along with his fellow senators. Yet as is the case with most "non Washington politicians", he attempts to distance himself from others when in fact he's not much different.
You say he's an aweful choice. Why the fuck would we care if you, who have really been SHELTERED for your preciously black life, think he's a good guy in a thread about his candidacy for president? We don't, so you give an opinion so impossibly distinguished mentally-challenged that nobody will give a shit.
I'm not going to say be smarter next time, you try to be a fucking idiot. Just get a life and stop fucking around on a message board.
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As usual you attempt to instigate a fight, but I'm not buying it. You're out of your league in this political discussion.
I like Obama, but I don't think he's going to win, and I don't like the public personality he's cultivating
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As usual you attempt to instigate a fight, but I'm not buying it. You're out of your league in this political discussion.
I like Obama, but I don't think he's going to win, and I don't like the public personality he's cultivating
Irony?
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You had no problem with the post a few minutes ago, now you're trying to push my buttons. Take some notes from Drinky here
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What are you talking about? Where did I agree with your post?
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Yawn. My post was in responce to Drinky's comment, not yours. And not surpisingly, he hasn't responded.
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Yawn. My post was in responce to Drinky's comment, not yours. And not surpisingly, he hasn't responded.
Uhh, wrong thread?
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Nah, I'm talking about Drinky's dumb statement that experience doesn't matter to voters. :lol
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Nah, I'm talking about Drinky's dumb statement that experience doesn't matter to voters. :lol
When did Dwinky ever post in this thread, though?
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hes barely even black
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hes barely even black
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Yeah, when has Obama ever busted a cap in some bitch ass blood for scuffin' his kicks? Pffft. Uncle Tom mo'fucka. nicca ain't styin', I bet he ain't even get da cal on him.
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you didn't answer my question, and i was playing several rounds of warsong gulch, pd you hummo
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you didn't answer my question, and i was playing several rounds of warsong gulch, pd you hummo
History has shown that experience is a major factor in who wins elections during specific points in the country's history. We happen to be in a point in history where experience matters. Tsk tsk
Warsong Gulch eh? God damn you horde piss me off. Got ganked around 6 times today, including once by an extremely high lv horde (lv??) who took out my entire group (lvs34-40) :lol
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If anything, the system is biased against experience on the national level of politics, especially long-standing senators (who, unlike governors, get pinned down on a hundred Yea-or-Nay votes on visible national issues). Out of the last eight presidents, we've had two VP's inherit the spot, one VP win an election, and five governors.
War and national security being a high-profile issue demands that the candidates give off an aura of toughness and credibility, not to actually have experience in national politics or security. Look at Giuliani.
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One of the best speeches I have ever heard. It's a shame he probably won't be the next president, but oh well. The next president will be democrat that's all that matters. Let's try to put this country back together.
Pretty much my thoughts.
If he gets nominated, I'll vote for him fo' sho'.
Strange days when Democrats are more conservative than the damn Republicans.
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The thing is PD if experience matters, you'll be looking at Hillary Clinton. She has been around a LONG time. 8 years as a very active policy wise first lady, 8 years (as of 2008) in the senate, and MUCH more. She has been around for ages. She was part of the watergate investigations!
Oh and her VP would be either Bill Richardson or Wes Clark. Both with REAL foriegn policy experience, not sitting in the senate for 30 years like McCain.
Wes Clark helped lead the last war we "won", the Gulf War. And Bill Richardson was the U.N. Ambassador under Clinton.
By your logic won't a Hillary/Richardson or Hillary/Clark ticket win due to experience?
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Wes Clark helped lead the last war we "won", the Gulf War.
Uh...