THE BORE
General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: The Fake Shemp on February 18, 2007, 05:58:27 PM
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Normally, I would stay out of this.
I’m not excited about the prospect of INDIANA JONES AND THE FOURTH ADVENTURE or whatever ridiculous awkward temporary title Paramount is using for the film at the moment. To be honest, I never saw the point in continuing to make Indy movies. Sure, I know... it’s all about the money. But even though I’m not a huge LAST CRUSADE fan, I do love the last shot, and I thought it was a fitting end to the series.
In the years since, we’ve heard so many rumors about this movie that it’s become easier just to tune them out. One of the more persistent kinds of rumor is “Guess who will be playing Indy’s brother/sister/son/daughter/random family member,” something that’s always made me nervous. It’s such a desperate move to start inventing family members for Indy, something that smacks of “Cousin Oliver” syndrome. When you’re in trouble and trying to reinvigorate something, just add some cute kids to the family!
Or don’t. Please.
I’ve read one of the recent version of INDY 4, and there were no new family members added. That pleased me greatly. However, they’ve thrown that version out now, and whatever David Koepp’s done, he’s made the people over at Dreamworks very, very happy. And now that they’re getting close to production, I’ve heard a persistent rumor, a new version of that old familiar. The thing is, I’m hearing this from some pretty reliable places.
So here we go again.
Shia La Beouf will play the son of Indiana Jones.
The thing is, we know Spielberg loves La Beouf right now. DISTURBIA became a pet project for The Beard, and it evidently came out well. TRANSFORMERS is a big deal for the company, and a lot of the weight of that falls squarely on the shoulders of Shia. So as much as I pray that there’s no Indy Jr., I’m starting to think that this may in fact be true.
I know adventure has a name. But does it really have to have a son? Really?
Only time will tell.
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Meh.
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I knew was going to happen. I knew Paramount wouldn't resurrect the franchise with a one shot deal. Now they're going to continue after this with Indy Jr. What a crock of shit. Is nothing sacred?
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I knew was going to happen. I knew Paramount wouldn't resurrect the franchise with a one shot deal. Now they're going to continue after this with Indy Jr. What a crock of shit. Is nothing sacred?
Dude, this is Speilberg and Lucas we're talking about. It's not rocket science.
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Spielberg is usually pretty good about this stuff. I blame this on Lucas.
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Spielberg is usually pretty good about this stuff. I blame this on Lucas.
E.T., the family friendly, guns-replaced-by-walkie-talkies version, disagrees.
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Uh, that's not really relevant. And unlike Lucas, Spielberg didn't destroy the original version and made it readily available on the same disc.
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They should get Turtle from entourage to play him. He'd be perfect :heartbeat :heartbeat :heartbeat
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They should get Turtle from entourage to play him. He's be perfect :heartbeat :heartbeat :heartbeat
I will kill you.
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Uh, that's not really relevant. And unlike Lucas, Spielberg didn't destroy the original version and made it readily available on the same disc.
Uh, no. The original E.T. is currently OOP, and doesn't seem to be seeing the light anytime soon.
So, in retrospect, Speilberg is just as much a revisionist asshole as Lucas.
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What's wrong with Shia La Beouf? He was funny in Even Stevens. And Holes was a nice children's flick.
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They should get Turtle from entourage to play him. He's be perfect :heartbeat :heartbeat :heartbeat
I will kill you.
Whatever. He'd be great.
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What's wrong with Shia La Beouf? He was funny in Even Stevens. And Holes was a nice children's flick.
The problem is that Indy has a fuckin' kid in the first place, who'll probably shove a piano into some CGI shitfest of a villain before the ending credits. Meh.
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Uh, no. The original E.T. is currently OOP, and doesn't seem to be seeing the light anytime soon.
Uh, yes. I have E.T. on DVD and it has the original, untouched cut in the same copy.
So, in retrospect, Speilberg is just as much a revisionist asshole as Lucas.
Again, he made the original cut available, so no, it's not the same. Barring E.T., which had the original available on the same print, there's really nothing revisionist about Spielberg. That's just crazy talk.
What's wrong with Shia La Beouf? He was funny in Even Stevens. And Holes was a nice children's flick.
I don't want Indy Jr. or Indy Jr. sequels.
This is potentially lamer than the Superboy concept in Superman Returns, which was pretty lame.
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The original cut is not CURRENTLY in print, and doesn't look like it will be anytime soon. So yes, he made the original version available FOR A LIMITED TIME, as did Lucas.
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Oh, ok. Well Shia La Beouf is quirky and cool. Just what the son of Indiana Jones needs to be.
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The original cut is not CURRENTLY in print, and doesn't look like it will be anytime soon. So yes, he made the original version available FOR A LIMITED TIME, as did Lucas.
Lucas never made the original version available on DVD whatsoever, until very recently and it was shitty, Laserdisc transfer. Spielberg made it available, in rather large quantities. And he said he won't get rid of the cut either, whereas Lucas says the original cuts don't even exist in his mind. Sorry you didn't buy the original cut on day one, but that's not Spielberg's fault. He made it available. I'm sure it'll show up again in Blu-Ray or HD-DVD.
Oh, ok. Well Shia La Beouf is quirky and cool. Just what the son of Indiana Jones needs to be.
This is a STEALTH troll.
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But seriously, why the fuck would you pay money to see this anyway? This looks all KINDS of distinguished mentally-challenged.... well, less distinguished mentally-challenged than LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD, but still pretty fuckin' distinguished mentally-challenged.
Lucas never made the original version available on DVD whatsoever, until very recently and it was shitty, Laserdisc transfer. Spielberg made it available, in rather large quantities. And he said he won't get rid of the cut either, whereas Lucas says the original cuts don't even exist in his mind. Sorry you didn't buy the original cut on day one, but that's not Spielberg's fault. He made it available. I'm sure it'll show up again in Blu-Ray or HD-DVD.
Dude, are you holding the torch for Speilberg for doing the same shit Lucas did, or am I just reading you the wrong way?
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I was holding out hope that Spielberg and Lucas might combine for a decent Indy flick.
Dude, are you holding the torch for Speilberg for doing the same shit Lucas did, or am I just reading you the wrong way?
Because two things... it's not relevant to the discussion and it's not the same thing. Why are you blaming Spielberg because you want to buy the original cut on DVD years after it came out? His new cut is no different than a Director's Cut, and he even released the original theatrical cut. It's not his fault you waited 'till now to buy it!
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I was holding out hope that Spielberg and Lucas might combine for a decent Indy flick.
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You set yourself up for a major bruising, then.
Willco: Yeah, but the problem is that his "director's cut" RAPES the original film, in the same ways that Lucas' do. And they were BOTH released for a limited time to consumers while the shittier revisions are being touted as the REAL versions. What's not to get?
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Walkie talkies replace guns. It's hardly on the same level as the Star Wars changes. There's no comparison. And no, unlike E.T., Star Wars was not available to consumers. And when it was made available, it was made available in an awful format - almost forcing you to accept the new revisionist Star Wars. E.T. wasn't anything like that. Spielberg has his cut, and the original cut. He recognizes the original cut and will continue to release it in future formats, and will not pretend it doesn't exist.
If you can't recognize the difference from that and Lucas, then I can't help you.
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Other changes had a different genesis. In the scene near the movie's end where the kids are fleeing on their bicycles, all the police officers' guns have been digitally removed and replaced with walkie-talkies, because Spielberg now finds himself uncomfortable with scenes of policemen preparing to use guns around children.[14] A second prominent change is the replacing of the word "terrorist" with the word "hippie" in one scene where Mary forbids Michael to dress up as a terrorist for Halloween; the wording change was reportedly made to fit with a "post-9/11 environment".[15] The entire line had previously simply been omitted from the VHS and television versions.[citation needed]
So, in retrospect, no the changes are not for the better, and yes, do rape the film with a Lucas-sized strap-on.
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Uh, that's not really relevant. And unlike Lucas, Spielberg didn't destroy the original version and made it readily available on the same disc.
For a short time. That disk is long out of print. The only version currently out is the DC of E.T. Spielberg is NOT continuing releasing the old version of ET. It was part of the anniversary limited edition disk set, not in any of the re-releases after that.
The only verisions of Close Encounters and 1941 on DVD is the DC as well I believe.
Spielberg has a tendency of not releasing his theatrical cuts on DVD.
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Yes, because Speilberg is a flaming revisionist douche.
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Yes, because Speilberg is a flaming revisionist douche.
Yeah, you can like Spielberg more than Lucas but he had a tendency of locking away his non-director's cuts just like Lucas and other director's. The only verision of E.T. in print is the DC. Same with Close Encounters and 1941. There is no basis to expect this to ever change.
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Its no coincidence that my one of my favorite South Park episodes is the one where they form a club to stop assholes like Speilberg and Lucas from ruining their own films. :lol
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Oh well, I'll just have to keep jerkin it to Raiders.
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I've not been excited about Indy IV from the beginning. This isn't helping things.
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I like Shia La Beouf.
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Come on there have to be more Turtle fans in here
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I like Turtle but he is too fat to be Indy Jr.
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Why can't Leo be Indy's son if he MUST have one? It would make more sense for Indy to have an older son anyway
But this isn't 100% confirmed so fuck this! I REFUSE TO BELIEVE
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Why can't Leo be Indy's son if he MUST have one? It would make more sense for Indy to have an older son anyway
But this isn't 100% confirmed so fuck this! I REFUSE TO BELIEVE
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"Search your feelings, you know it to be true..."
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THIS IS MADNESS
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My stupidity? IIRC, both me and Cheebs called you on your bullshit when it came to E.T.
Just stop trying to troll things, Willco. You're worse at it than PD or FoC combined. :rofl
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Yeah, your stupidity. Cheebs basically said the same thing I said, but somehow you've convinced yourself that you were right.
You're just a moron.
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Yeah, your stupidity. Cheebs basically said the same thing I said, but somehow you've convinced yourself that you were right.
You're just a moron.
Dude, no. Cheebs said exactly what I was saying: that the original E.T. is being kept locked away from consumers, and yet you won't equate Speilberg to Lucas because you're a sniffling little fanboy.
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Uh, no. He said it's not longer available. I said that too. He also said that it WAS available. I said that too. You're just a moron because you equate Spielberg with releasing the theatrical cut for a limited time to Lucas' raping of not just the Star Wars movies, but not releasing the originals. And he still hasn't released the originals with a decent transfer.
You're just an idiot, Shake.
Also, labelling me a Spielberg fanboy is pretty laughable. I've probably been the most critical of anyone on his recent films.
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http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=5563.msg133027#msg133027 (http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=5563.msg133027#msg133027)
Yeah, you can like Spielberg more than Lucas but he had a tendency of locking away his non-director's cuts just like Lucas and other director's. The only verision of E.T. in print is the DC. Same with Close Encounters and 1941. There is no basis to expect this to ever change.
How is that different from what I was saying? God, you suck. ::)
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... Hey, moron. You equated Spielberg's E.T. handling to Lucas' Star Wars handling. You are wrong. Even by Cheebs definition.
He made it available on DVD. It's not his fault YOU DID NOT BUY IT WHEN AVAILABLE. Let me repeat this. IT WAS AVAILABLE.
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ET is the most over rated movie of all time.
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ET is the most over rated movie of all time.
Probably. Hasn't aged that well.
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Yeah, you can like Spielberg more than Lucas but he had a tendency of locking away his non-director's cuts just like Lucas and other director's. The only verision of E.T. in print is the DC. Same with Close Encounters and 1941. There is no basis to expect this to ever change.
This is exactly what I was saying. Don't twist your words, just admit that you're on the losing side of this argument.
BTW, don't think I didn't notice how you never responded to either of us after that. :rofl
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No, you said Spielberg had raped E.T. similar to Lucas had raped Star Wars. Now you're throwing in his DC of 1941, arguably the only WATCHABLE CUT OF THE FILM and Close Encounters to the mix (what fucking edits are even in the DC?).
You're wrong. You can try to add emoticons to think you're right, but you're not.
There's a difference, between drastically altering an entire trilogy and not making the theatrical cuts available and altering one scene and one line of dialgue making the theatrical cut available.
BUT YOU ARE A TEENAGER AND CANNOT COMPREHEND THIS.
I know this must be hard for you :-\
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ET is the most over rated movie of all time.
Probably. Hasn't aged that well.
I just never understood why so many kids found such an ugly walking abortion like ET so lovable; HE'S FUCKING UGLY. Yet people were going crazy over him like he was an Ewok. Granted I haven't seen the movie in years, at the time I really disliked it.
The decision to make him CG certainly hasn't made me more interested in seeing Mr Fetus Face
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I never understood the reasoning behind making him CG in one scene.
I gues that's why I BOUGHT THE THEATRICAL CUT.
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Speilberg is a movie predator, just like Lucas. I stand by my statement, and so do the facts.
Willco, you can bitch and moan as much as you want, but you are wrong. Twisting information and playing the "WELL IT WAS ONLY ONE FILM" card doesn't change the fact that Speilberg not only raped the film, but is now keeping the raped version on the shelves instead of the original.
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No, they really don't, Shake.
You're just a moron.
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Well then you're also calling Cheebs a moron, because he only backed up my claims further. ;)
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Are you guys talking about the scene where ET spills some coke or something? I don't remember what it was, but it was a liquid and it blew up in his face.
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No, Cheebs isn't a moron. He wasn't really arguing for you, as much as he was stating about Spielberg's other DC cuts. If you're arguing that nobody can put DC cuts on shelves as preference, let's go burn Ridley Scott's house next. That was never your argument. You're just a boy. A boy with a brain the third the size of ours. That's science.
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Are you guys talking about the scene where ET spills some coke or something? I don't remember what it was, but it was a liquid and it blew up in his face.
...no.
Willco: he wasn't arguing for me, he was arguing against you. Which, by your oh-so-special standards, must equal "OMG HE IS AN IDIOT NOOB LOSER HUAHAHAHA".
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He wasn't arguing at all. Cheebs just came down with facts. Only you are so desperate to find rally monkeys to defend you.
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He wasn't arguing at all. Cheebs just came down with facts. Only you are so desperate to find rally monkeys to defend you.
I don't have to rally monkeys; people point out your bullshit all the time. ;)
And with that, I bid this argument good day. You need some time to recover.
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oops
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WTF happened here? lulz
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And with that, I bid this argument good day.
Not enough rally monkeys for you right now? :lol
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I'm done with this argument.
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I can try and track down a sympathetic user if you really think you need a pat on the back.
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lock this thread, it'll save you from having to come up with witty retorts to my flawless analysis of Speilberg's bullshit.
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If by flawless, you mean the delusional ramblings of a teenager - then I will not lock this thread!
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Why can't Leo be Indy's son if he MUST have one? It would make more sense for Indy to have an older son anyway
But this isn't 100% confirmed so fuck this! I REFUSE TO BELIEVE
No, no it doesn't at all. All the reports I hear is this is Marion's child, of which she got pregnant with during Raiders. Leo is far too old for that.
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Why can't Leo be Indy's son if he MUST have one? It would make more sense for Indy to have an older son anyway
But this isn't 100% confirmed so fuck this! I REFUSE TO BELIEVE
No, no it doesn't at all. All the reports I hear is this is Marion's child, of which she got pregnant with during Raiders. Leo is far too old for that.
Fuuuuuuck :(
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ford is a fucking cyborg now. He's dead inside.
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He's certainly a grumpy asshole these days.