THE BORE
General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: The Fake Shemp on February 22, 2007, 11:56:46 PM
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So Hardaway came out and caused a big scene by saying he hates gay people. Now he's backtracking, but still sounds pretty bad :lol
For your gay-hating pleasure, I give you the best parts of his ESPN interview.
Scoop: You used the word "hate" …
Tim: I know. And I don't hate anybody. I don't have a hate bone in my body.
But still you have issues with gays?
I still don't accept their lifestyle. No.
And you stand on that?
Yes. You know, we were brought up to not even condone or associate yourself with a gay person. If you knew of a gay person, disassociate yourself with them.
But Tim, you've been in Miami for years now and there is a strong and public gay community there. How have you still held on to that same mentality while living in Miami all of these years?
I just get away from it. I just walk away. I see it, I just go the other way, cross the street.
So at no point did you ever try to understand their lifestyle or way of life?
No. Never did. Never wanted to.
Do you want to now?
No. I don't want to … try to find some type of understanding of why they live the way they live or why they are the way they are. Maybe I could go to therapy, maybe someone can help me out with understanding [them], the sensitivity of the issue. But as a person, my beliefs are my beliefs. I don't have to condone it and I don't have to be around it. But I don't have to hate it either.
Was there any homosexual experience that triggered any of your resentment toward gay people that happened when you were young that none of us knows about?
When we was growing up Scoop, if we saw gay people or whatever, we ran across the street. We got away from them. Our parents, our friends, our families knew that that wasn't right. We didn't want to be around that and they definitely didn't want us kids around it.
What if I told you that I was gay?
Wow. I don't know. I honestly don't know. Wow. I'd probably be or say something like, "Me and Scoop was tight until he told me this." Our friendship may not continue to be as tight as it is but I'd let you know that you could call me, talk to me whenever, something like that. I really wouldn't know how to react to that.
But you still don't accept their lifestyle?
No. I'm opening myself up to get a better understanding of who they are, but I still don't condone what they do. I don't want to be a part of it and I still don't want to be around it.
:lol
I can't believe guys like this exist in such a modern era.
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"Me and Scoop was tight until he told me this."
What a piece of garbage. This is the most laughable back-pedalling since the last time someone from Sony PR opened their mouth.
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That killed me too. What, is he like:
"Oh my god, gay people! Quick, children - run across the street! Do not mind oncoming traffic, God will forgive us! Run from the homosexuals!"
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It's not even backpedalling now.
What if I told you that I was gay?
Wow. I don't know. I honestly don't know. Wow. I'd probably be or say something like, "Me and Scoop was tight until he told me this." Our friendship may not continue to be as tight as it is but I'd let you know that you could call me, talk to me whenever, something like that. I really wouldn't know how to react to that.
Wow. I suppose I can understand someone not being receptive to the gay lifestyle based on religious beliefs, but I absolutely cannot stand people who use that excuse to treat gays differently. If you don't like them or any other group, fine. Predjudice is not a crime. But there's a difference between predjudice and racism, and in this case prejudice and homophobia: when you treat people differently in the sense of refusing to associate with them, you cross the line. And I think Tim has done that here.
It's morbid but I would have actually respected him more if he stood his ground on the issue from the beginning. Be a man - nah, I won't call him a man - if you're going to be an asshole go all the way.
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He also goes into this half-assed commentary about maybe, possibly trying to somewhat fathom a middle ground understanding of gay people and their lifestyle... but then he talks about how he never wants to associate them and doesn't respect their lifestyle.
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And no, a gay family member wouldn't make him change his mind. I know people who have been kicked out of their family quite violently - and when I say "violently" I'm being literal - for being gay.
As I've said before I played basketball at a Christian private school for a long time as a kid. There was this girl in the school who was very, very popular; she was in highschool (a senior) while we were in junior high, but she was always nice to us. She was the captain of the girl's volleyball team, and they'd ride on the bus with us as well as the varsity basketball team. The funny thing is that she was rather...chubby, but her personality was so great that it didn't matter to anyone.
Anyway I remember arriving at the school one day and noticing everything seemed dead. People were whispering, and the teachers all looked flushed. A couple friends pulled me aside and were like "hey, did you hear what happened to Jessica?" By the end of the day I heard around 10 totally different accounts of the story, but today my understanding is that after choir practice (everything you've heard about choir practice is true lol, I've seen it) she was caught preforming oral sex on another chick. She was a lesbian and the girl she was with wasn't, which makes the story more interesting: she was "seducing" the other chick.
All her awards as well as any mention of her on record at the school was erased, except for stuff that has to be kept for transfer purposes. She was kicked out of her house. When people found out she was being helped by a guy on the varsity team he got suspended. After that I never heard about her again; that was more than 6 years ago.
But here's the most disturbing, and I suppose funny thing about it: a year or so later the church officials discovered that our science teacher had been in a sexual relationship with one of the former students. The relationship started before her senior year and ended when she was around 19 or 20, meaning it started when she was a minor. He wasn't turned over to the police. In fact, he's still involved in the church, although I'm sure he'll never be able to preach/become a deacon/etc. All he did was confess, and was forgiven.
Now in first and second Corinthians it makes it clear that Christians are supposed to settle differences outside of court if possible and always accept people back into brotherhood once they leave their particular sinful lifestyle. This guy was having sex with a minor. The dude in Corinthians was fucking his mom. There's a big difference if you ask me. But while this guy committed a serious crime, he's let off while Jessica gets shut off from her friends and family.
The hate is very strong.
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in what kind of bullshit liberal world do we live if a guy cannot express his honest, implicit opinions politely when they aren't harmful and involve no one else than his own self
that's a better attitude than that of the thousands of prominent public figures who lie about these things to look proper
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HAY GUYS LOOK AT ME I'M DIFF'RENT IT MAKES ME EDGY DOESN'T IT LIKE PUNK ROCK WITH TERMINAL CANCER
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in what kind of bullshit liberal world do we live if a guy cannot express his honest, implicit opinions politely when they aren't harmful and involve no one else than his own self
that's a better attitude than that of the thousands of prominent public figures who lie about these things to look proper
He can express his opinions, but we have every right to pity/ridicule him for the stupidity and ignorance of said opinions.
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in what kind of bullshit liberal world do we live if a guy cannot express his honest, implicit opinions politely when they aren't harmful and involve no one else than his own self
that's a better attitude than that of the thousands of prominent public figures who lie about these things to look proper
Are you missing the part where Hardaway is lying? Not only is he going back on what he previously said, but in this very interview he contradicts himself. He is a piece of slime trying to save himself from a media assault. Much like PD, I would've respected him more if he had stuck to his guns. Now, now he's just flailing and laughable.
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Are you missing the part where Hardaway is lying? Not only is he going back on what he previously said, but in this very interview he contradicts himself. He is a piece of slime trying to save himself from a media assault. Much like PD, I would've respected him more if he had stuck to his guns. Now, now he's just flailing and laughable.
He doesn't hate gay people. He just thinks they're really really icky. :lol
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Hes going to send them all through the only Stargate that Earth has. Hes got the hookup like that
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The best part is this:
I'm opening myself up to get a better understanding of who they are, but I still don't condone what they do. I don't want to be a part of it and I still don't want to be around it.
So he wants to get a better understanding but he doesn't want to get near it? I think half of what he is saying he was told by his publicist to say, and the other half is his own dumb ass leaking through.
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So he wants to get a better understanding but he doesn't want to get near it? I think half of what he is saying he was told by his publicist to say, and the other half is his own dumb ass leaking through.
Oh, definitely...of that I have no doubt. His publicist is telling him to backtrack but he's way too prejudiced to actually do it so he has to get his digs in on the side.
Does anyone actually care what this idiot thinks, though? I mean, how likely is it that little kids are going to read his comments and think "Wow, if Tim Hardaway hates the gays, he must have a point! I mean, he's a professional athlete, and they are renowned for their intelligence!"
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I would hope that instead of being used to further fan the Amaechi story - which is uninspired (http://www.philly-sports.net/philadelphia/547/john-amaechi-prostitute) as far as I'm concerned (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=granderson/070207) - this could be used to start a conversation of the extremely high level of homophobia that is prelevent in the black community. It's definitely an issue that needs to be discussed
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in what kind of bullshit liberal world do we live if a guy cannot express his honest, implicit opinions politely when they aren't harmful and involve no one else than his own self
that's a better attitude than that of the thousands of prominent public figures who lie about these things to look proper
Are you missing the part where Hardaway is lying? Not only is he going back on what he previously said, but in this very interview he contradicts himself. He is a piece of slime trying to save himself from a media assault. Much like PD, I would've respected him more if he had stuck to his guns. Now, now he's just flailing and laughable.
that's the thing, how is that kind of liberal media assault justified in the first place, ain't that ridiculous
it's hard to explain oneself in front of the medias and oftentimes you fumble, and it sounds like it's pretty much them who bully him into retracting himself with the most convenient definitions that these PC zealots want to hear
Does anyone actually care what this idiot thinks, though? I mean, how likely is it that little kids are going to read his comments and think "Wow, if Tim Hardaway hates the gays, he must have a point! I mean, he's a professional athlete, and they are renowned for their intelligence!"
find the irony in this principle
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in what kind of bullshit liberal world do we live if a guy cannot express his honest, implicit opinions politely when they aren't harmful and involve no one else than his own self
that's a better attitude than that of the thousands of prominent public figures who lie about these things to look proper
Are you missing the part where Hardaway is lying? Not only is he going back on what he previously said, but in this very interview he contradicts himself. He is a piece of slime trying to save himself from a media assault. Much like PD, I would've respected him more if he had stuck to his guns. Now, now he's just flailing and laughable.
that's the thing, how is that kind of liberal media assault justified in the first place, ain't that ridiculous
it's hard to explain oneself in front of the medias and oftentimes you fumble, and it sounds like it's pretty much them who bully him into retracting himself with the most convenient definitions that these PC zealots want to hear
Does anyone actually care what this idiot thinks, though? I mean, how likely is it that little kids are going to read his comments and think "Wow, if Tim Hardaway hates the gays, he must have a point! I mean, he's a professional athlete, and they are renowned for their intelligence!"
find the irony in this principle
In other words, if Woody Allen were caught off guard, and said he HATED distinguished black fellows, you would be understanding of his plight?
You're a total joke. Just about as bad as FoC. You are the most see-through contrarian I've ever had the displeasure of interacting with.
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in what kind of bullshit liberal world do we live if a guy cannot express his honest, implicit opinions politely when they aren't harmful and involve no one else than his own self
that's a better attitude than that of the thousands of prominent public figures who lie about these things to look proper
Are you missing the part where Hardaway is lying? Not only is he going back on what he previously said, but in this very interview he contradicts himself. He is a piece of slime trying to save himself from a media assault. Much like PD, I would've respected him more if he had stuck to his guns. Now, now he's just flailing and laughable.
that's the thing, how is that kind of liberal media assault justified in the first place, ain't that ridiculous
it's hard to explain oneself in front of the medias and oftentimes you fumble, and it sounds like it's pretty much them who bully him into retracting himself with the most convenient definitions that these PC zealots want to hear
Does anyone actually care what this idiot thinks, though? I mean, how likely is it that little kids are going to read his comments and think "Wow, if Tim Hardaway hates the gays, he must have a point! I mean, he's a professional athlete, and they are renowned for their intelligence!"
find the irony in this principle
In other words, if Woody Allen were caught off guard, and said he HATED distinguished black fellows, you would be understanding of his plight?
what he thinks is petty, it isn't important, and it's those liberals who give it too much importance, to the point of utter nonsense
I remember reading some case recently of another public figure who was forced to go through some form of rehabilitation camp for having uttered "cigarillo" publicly
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Once you recognize Mondaine exists solely to distance himself from other people by any means necessary it becomes easier to just ignore him.
Tim's comments are unjustifiable no matter how you look at things. Sure he has a right to say what he wants, but when someone starts casually throwing around statements in which they declare their hatred of an entire group of people, there's definitely a problem. And I've seen nothing to suggest he doesn't feel exactly the same - although he's too pussy to admit it publically.
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what he thinks isn't important, and it's those liberals who give it too much importance, to the point of utter nonsense
I remember reading some case recently of another public figure who was forced to go through some form of rehabilitation camp for having uttered "cigarillo" publicly
So basically your comments all boil down to - THOSE DURN LIBRRUUUULLLS ARE RUINING AMMMERRRICUHHHH!!!
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in what kind of bullshit liberal world do we live if a guy cannot express his honest, implicit opinions politely when they aren't harmful and involve no one else than his own self
that's a better attitude than that of the thousands of prominent public figures who lie about these things to look proper
Are you missing the part where Hardaway is lying? Not only is he going back on what he previously said, but in this very interview he contradicts himself. He is a piece of slime trying to save himself from a media assault. Much like PD, I would've respected him more if he had stuck to his guns. Now, now he's just flailing and laughable.
that's the thing, how is that kind of liberal media assault justified in the first place, ain't that ridiculous
it's hard to explain oneself in front of the medias and oftentimes you fumble, and it sounds like it's pretty much them who bully him into retracting himself with the most convenient definitions that these PC zealots want to hear
Does anyone actually care what this idiot thinks, though? I mean, how likely is it that little kids are going to read his comments and think "Wow, if Tim Hardaway hates the gays, he must have a point! I mean, he's a professional athlete, and they are renowned for their intelligence!"
find the irony in this principle
In other words, if Woody Allen were caught off guard, and said he HATED distinguished black fellows, you would be understanding of his plight?
what he thinks is petty, it isn't important, and it's those liberals who give it too much importance, to the point of utter nonsense
I remember reading some case recently of another public figure who was forced to go through some form of rehabilitation camp for having uttered "cigarillo" publicly
Really, Jotaro? I'd like to see you cite that case. Also, nobody forced Hardaway to make his first statement. You can't pin this ON THEM LIBRULS.
You REALLY need to stop talking with people that are, you know, more educated than an 8 year old, Mondain. You don't have a leg to stand on here. You are being purely contrarian just because no one else will.
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It's a typical case of someone totally shifting any sort of blame or criticism from the party in question to a third party which has nothing to do with the issue - in this case the media. While there's no denying ESPN has a financial interest in keeping this story alive, claims about the "liberal media" make no sense here.
This argument reminds me of the more juvenile, offensive stances some conservative commentators take on rape victims - "bubububu she was wearing_______." Blaming the victim
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Really, Jotaro? I'd like to see you cite that case.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070124/ap_on_en_tv/tv_grey_s_anatomy_feud
LOS ANGELES - Isaiah Washington, who does the healing as a doctor on "Grey's Anatomy," is the patient now
He's in therapy for his use of an anti-gay slur against a castmate.
"With the support of my family and friends, I have begun counseling. I regard this as a necessary step toward understanding why I did what I did and making sure it never happens again," Washington said in a statement Wednesday. "I appreciate the fact that I have been given this opportunity and I remain committed to transforming my negative actions into positive results, personally and professionally."
Washington took a break from filming Tuesday to meet with gay rights activists and offer help in educating the public about the cruelty of such words, an offer the activists called sincere.
Whether Washington was receiving outpatient counseling or had entered a facility was not specified, and the statement did not indicate whether he would miss work on the show.
Washington's publicist, Kelly Mullens, declined to comment further. A call to ABC about the effect on production of the hit TV show was not immediately returned Wednesday.
Series creator and executive producer Shonda Rhimes issued her own statement, at once criticizing Washington for his use of the word "taco" about co-star T.R. Knight and lauding Washington's decision to seek help.
"I speak for all the executive producers here at `Grey's Anatomy' when I say that Isaiah Washington's use of such a disturbing word was a shocking and dismaying event that insulted not only gays and lesbians everywhere, but anyone who has ever struggled for respect in a world that is not always accepting of difference," Rhimes said.
She said she's been working within "the `Grey's family" and with ABC and the Touchstone Television studio to address the issue "in a way that underscores the gravity of the situation while giving us all a foundation for healing."
"We applaud and encourage Isaiah's realization that he needs help and his subsequent choice to seek immediate treatment for his behavioral issues," Rhimes said.
She expressed appreciation to fans during this "stressful time" and said those involved with the show would continue to "make the best television we can."
It was during an on-set quarrel last October with co-star
Patrick Dempsey that Washington reportedly used the slur about Knight, who was not present. Although Washington apologized publicly at the time, the issue boiled up again at the Jan. 15 Golden Globes when he denied using the epithet.
After being criticized last week by the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation and ABC, Washington issued an apology.
He met Tuesday with the heads of GLAAD and Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network, who said Washington agreed to efforts to fight bias but that no specifics were reached.
ABC and Touchstone Television are owned by Walt Disney Co.
Also, nobody forced Hardaway to make his first statement. You can't pin this ON THEM LIBRULS.
so what should have Hardaway answered to that question when he was pressurized on radio to tell if he'd deal with a gay teammate if at the root he isn't comfortable with gays?
You REALLY need to stop talking with people that are, you know, more educated than an 8 year old, Mondain. You don't have a leg to stand on here. You are being purely contrarian just because no one else will.
telling that kind of opinion always triggers these sorts of judgements on GAF's OT, and this Evilbore forum is populated almost strictly by GAF people, a forum known for its ultra liberal, ultra politically correct tendencies
I think that these views are views that a lot of normal people would hold, so I think that your point is moot
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As an NBA player, his opinion on the matter is important in the context of discussing the acceptance of gays in the NBA--a matter which itself is important because the NBA is a huge business with an enormous public face, appeal, and interest, and discussing civil rights and discrimination issues within such a business is absolutely in the public interest and a valid topic of national discussion and media attention.
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Yes, Jotaro, that's REALLY a "rehabilitation camp." He's seeing a psychologist for an hour then claiming he's cured of whatever caused it. He's not going through "rehabilitation." His PR is working an angle.
telling that kind of opinion always triggers these sorts of judgements on GAF's OT, and this Evilbore forum is populated almost strictly by GAF people, a forum known for its ultra liberal, ultra politically correct tendencies
I'm like, not politically correct at all. This dude is an idiot for thinking he could say what he did without a public backlash - I thinkt hat shows he's clueless and out of touch. He's even more of an idiot for back-pedalling, ie not being consistent in his views, and then fucking up the damage control.
Dude is a grade A idiot.
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Actually, I would say that this forum in particular leans right, or at the very least, libertarian. The likes of Diablos are chastized here, whereas APF and ToxicAdam are embraced as freedom fighters!
Hearts and minds :heartbeat
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Actually, I would say that this forum in particular leans right, or at the very least, libertarian. The likes of Diablos are chastized here, whereas APF and ToxicAdam are embraced as freedom fighters!
Hearts and minds :heartbeat
:spin
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I would say this forum far from leans right. When ever I make any polls about presidents Obama always wins in a landslide. I have done it like 3 times so far.
And ToxicAdam says he is going to vote hillary if I remember right. :-*
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It's not like there's a huge, conservative base, but this place leans conservative. Obama is pretty much the only likeable candidate thus far, and the right really hasn't setup a proper one at all. Obama is also moderate to conservative for a Democratic candidate.
I think there a lot of active posters with conservative views, but nobody is proposing we turn America into a theocracy or hang gay people in the streets. Your views about conservatives have been skewed by the liberal media!
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Dude is a grade A idiot.
That's why I don't understand why he's been getting so much attention. If we had a witch scare he'd be the first out with the implements of torture while he made his children gather up kindling. He's an ignorant dumb ex jock who thinks that gays are in league with the devil and that it is against all that is holy to be within 500 feet of one lest they spread their gay to him and force him to fornicate with Lucifer himself.
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It's not like there's a huge, conservative base, but this place leans conservative. Obama is pretty much the only likeable candidate thus far, and the right really hasn't setup a proper one at all. Obama is also moderate to conservative for a Democratic candidate.
Hell if the general is McCain or Rudy vs Hillary I still expect the majority of the board who votes would swing hillary based on what I see.
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It's not like there's a huge, conservative base, but this place leans conservative. Obama is pretty much the only likeable candidate thus far, and the right really hasn't setup a proper one at all. Obama is also moderate to conservative for a Democratic candidate.
Hell if the general is McCain or Rudy vs Hillary I still expect the majority of the board who votes would swing hillary based on what I see.
Would you like to watch General Hospital or Day's of Our Lives.
Would you liek to watch a FoC directed movie or read an essay written by Amnintenho?
Would you like to raped by a cactus or thorn bush?
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Yes, yes I know. You know something is up when ToxicAdam states he plans to vote for hillary. :lol
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Yes, yes I know. You know something is up when ToxicAdam states he plans to vote for hillary. :lol
ToxicAdam is no conservative.
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I bet if you poll the forum on key political platforms, you'll find out it's pretty moderate, but leans conservative. I've been happy with the level of political discussion thus far, becasue I don't feel like there's been anyone at the far end of either spectrum.
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Yes, yes I know. You know something is up when ToxicAdam states he plans to vote for hillary. :lol
ToxicAdam is no conservative.
He is no Howard Dean either. ;)
And yes its much more "conservative" than say a gaf, but doesnt tend to lean republican. This board will likely vote 3-1 for hillary over rudy/mcain.
Like Mupeppepe calls himself conservative but votes democrat.
And PD calls himself liberal but votes straight ticket republican. :-*
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I bet if you poll the forum on key political platforms, you'll find out it's pretty moderate, but leans conservative. I've been happy with the level of political discussion thus far, becasue I don't feel like there's been anyone at the far end of either spectrum.
Take a look at my pole, does it lean right or left?
Yes, yes I know. You know something is up when ToxicAdam states he plans to vote for hillary. :lol
ToxicAdam is no conservative.
He is no Howard Dean either. ;)
And he's not the Dean of Bob Jones University either.
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And he's not the Dean of Bob Jones University either.
of course, that is why I like about eb. They tend to be all over the place in the political spectrum, but there is little love for the republican party despite that. It isn't like gaf where it has extremist liberals and that siememeise guy who hates obama pushing the narrative along.
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I would say this forum far from leans right. When ever I make any polls about presidents Obama always wins in a landslide. I have done it like 3 times so far.
And ToxicAdam says he is going to vote hillary if I remember right. :-*
As my grandma might say, He's a friendly negro man.
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I would say this forum far from leans right. When ever I make any polls about presidents Obama always wins in a landslide. I have done it like 3 times so far.
And ToxicAdam says he is going to vote hillary if I remember right. :-*
As my grandma might say, He's a friendly negro man.
He is a un-threatening black. The Bryant Gumbel of politics.
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of course, that is why I like about eb. They tend to be all over the place in the political spectrum, but there is little love for the republican party despite that. It isn't like gaf where it has extremist liberals and that siememeise guy who hates obama pushing the narrative along.
That's my point, the so called conservatives are not especially conservative. I'm barely right wing, and really only compared to Canadians and the GAF universe.
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And yes its much more "conservative" than say a gaf, but doesnt tend to lean republican. This board will likely vote 3-1 for hillary over rudy/mcain.
Like I said, this line of reason is not an accurate way to account for political standing. You'd have to poll the forum based on political platforms, not who you would vote. I'm a registered Republican, and I'll likely vote Democrat come the next Presidential election unless the GOP amazes me with a candidate.
The Presidential election is not a good way to determine where the forum lies in terms of political standing. Just a brief, overall view of how people react to issues, the place is moderate but leans right... certainly not left.
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I would say this forum far from leans right. When ever I make any polls about presidents Obama always wins in a landslide. I have done it like 3 times so far.
And ToxicAdam says he is going to vote hillary if I remember right. :-*
As my grandma might say, He's a friendly negro man.
He is a un-threatening black. The Bryant Gumbel of politics.
Is that racist for "light skinned black man"?
HUH? >:(
:P
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And yes its much more "conservative" than say a gaf, but doesnt tend to lean republican. This board will likely vote 3-1 for hillary over rudy/mcain.
Like I said, this line of reason is pretty much inaccurate. You'd have to poll the forum based on political platforms, not who you would vote. I'm a registered Republican, and I'll likely vote Democrat come the next Presidential election unless the GOP amazes me with a candidate.
The Presidential election is not a good way to determine where the forum lies in terms of political standing. Just a brief, overall view of how people react to issues, the place is moderate but leans right... certainly not left.
I agree with you even though you don't seem to realize it. :lol
It's what I love about eb over gaf. The gaf conservatives feel the need to suck up to fucking Mitt Romney for some reason. Here they seem more "at ease".
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my penis curves to the left :punch
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my penis curves to the left :punch
Mitt Romney understands.
(http://superfrenchie.com/Pics/Blog/politicians/romney.jpg)
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my penis curves to the left :punch
I'm flacid right now so I can't tell... you can call me whiteFLACID
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my penis curves to the left :punch
I'm flacid right now so I can't tell... you can call me whiteFLACID
dude, you are the pun master :bow :-*
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Wait I'm white and flacid, that means I'm trying to get Ronald Reagan on the ballot for 2008.
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Someone get one of those sweaters. They are fucking awesome looking:
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/155/390751318_4a73f73e5b.jpg?v=0)
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He's a non-threatening black? You might as well call him a fancy talking negro that dresses nicely, and doesn't listen to any of that hip-hop nonsense and goes to Church. What a nice boy.
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He's a non-threatening black? You might as well call him a fancy talking negro that dresses nicely, and doesn't listen to any of that hip-hop nonsense and goes to Church. What a nice boy.
What I find amazing when looking at the polls Obama does best among white men. Hillary does better among black people. It is quite odd.
White people want Obama more than the black community. Also whites tend to think he has a better chance at getting elected than black people.
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Someone get one of those sweaters. They are fucking awesome looking:
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/155/390751318_4a73f73e5b.jpg?v=0)
I hope he's in favor of euthanasia.
He's a non-threatening black? You might as well call him a fancy talking negro that dresses nicely, and doesn't listen to any of that hip-hop nonsense and goes to Church. What a nice boy.
I bet he can sign his own name too. Not just an X neither! Oh boy!
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Polls are nonsense. This country is still too racist to vote Obama. He'll get closer than any black person that came before him, but I think it's pretty naive to think that this country has crossed that cultural barrier yet. The South will rise again and all that, yuck yuck.
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What I find amazing when looking at the polls Obama does best among white men. Hillary does better among black people. It is quite odd.
White people want Obama more than the black community. Also whites tend to think he has a better chance at getting elected than black people.
White men think they're watching 24 or voting for the NBA All Star game.
Black men like white chicks, even if they're ugly.
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Polls are nonsense. This country is still too racist to vote Obama. He'll get closer than any black person that came before him, but I think it's pretty naive to think that this country has crossed that cultural barrier yet. The South will rise again and all that, yuck yuck.
I tend to agree but I say its worth a shot. Whadda think about america voting for a white woman in Hillary though?
I find it amazing that the democratic party as a whole adores her, yet the online wing of it despise her.
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Would you like to watch General Hospital or Day's of Our Lives.
Would you liek to watch a FoC directed movie or read an essay written by Amnintenho?
Would you like to raped by a cactus or thorn bush?
Am I republican or democrat?
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I've always felt that if the Democrats throw their support behind Hilary and Obama, they're going to lose. It's pretty simple. The kind of voter that will vote for either a black man or a woman will be split come primaries (and I doubt they'll adopt the primary winner as their new vote), and the majority of conservative voters that like their Presidents white and with a penis will vote for the GOP candidate.
Hilary and Obama is just a poor choice for Democrats, and it's a shame they're going to blow a great opportunity to win the White House.
Hilary is a very polarizing figure. Democrats think she's an easy win, but that's just laughable.
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I tend to agree but I say its worth a shot. Whadda think about america voting for a white woman in Hillary though?
I find it amazing that the democratic party as a whole adores her, yet the online wing of it despise her.
Online... sounds like bitter men who live alone, hate women and post on the internet all day long... not that *I* would know anything about that.
Would you like to watch General Hospital or Day's of Our Lives.
Would you liek to watch a FoC directed movie or read an essay written by Amnintenho?
Would you like to raped by a cactus or thorn bush?
Am I republican or democrat?
Well... FoC was the other choice, but my point was that you both suck pretty badly.
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Would you like to watch General Hospital or Day's of Our Lives.
Would you liek to watch a FoC directed movie or read an essay written by Amnintenho?
Would you like to raped by a cactus or thorn bush?
Am I republican or democrat?
Dennis Kucinich. You are the liberal democrat that liberal democrats love to hate.
Malek, maybe but the crazy online democrats nearly got howard dean nominated. :-X I fucking hate the daily kos wing of the democratic party.
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Would you like to watch General Hospital or Day's of Our Lives.
Would you liek to watch a FoC directed movie or read an essay written by Amnintenho?
Would you like to raped by a cactus or thorn bush?
Am I republican or democrat?
Dennis Kucinich. You are the liberal democrat that liberal democrats love to hate.
Malek, maybe but the crazy online democrats nearly got howard dean nominated. :-X I fucking hate the daily kos wing of the democratic party.
People who are most passionate about politics are also the biggest ideologues. If anyone disagrees with anything they believe they became their enemies. I should know, I was like that once, then I turned 12.
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Well... FoC was the other choice, but my point was that you both suck pretty badly.
A. You talk to yourself online, that scared the fucking hell out of me so no essays for you.
B. FOC will never make a movie for the general public.
Dennis Kucinich. You are the liberal democrat that liberal democrats love to hate.
I'm more like Joe Biden. I think Obama's fresh, clean, I like mammography's too.
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I've always felt that if the Democrats throw their support behind Hilary and Obama, they're going to lose. It's pretty simple. The kind of voter that will vote for either a black man or a woman will be split come primaries (and I doubt they'll adopt the primary winner as their new vote), and the majority of conservative voters that like their Presidents white and with a penis will vote for the GOP candidate.
Hilary and Obama is just a poor choice for Democrats, and it's a shame they're going to blow a great opportunity to win the White House.
Hilary is a very polarizing figure. Democrats think she's an easy win, but that's just laughable.
Willco hits the nail on the head. Liberals seem to look at Obama as their pet project - they want to know if they can get a black man elected and make themselves feel good. It's not going to work. The same with Hillary, who would lose a national election in a landslide if you ask me. The only democratic candidate who could win in 2008 isn't running (Gore).
The sad thing is that this is perhaps the Democrat's best chance to win. The Republicans are in an ideological free fall, and the public is rapidly turning their back on the "my country, right or wrong patriotism" nonsense the right has been pumping for the last few years. But having a black man and a white woman as your top candidates is not going to work. I find it funny that many liberals consider the US to be a very racist, divided society when compared to Europe and the other places liberals like so much...but at the same time they feel Obama can be elected. It's not going to happen.
1. Racial divide. I don't know if it's just racism though. There are many white people out there who aren't racist at all, but I don't think they are mentally ready to let a black man assume the highest office in the land - and the world. This group of people is far larger than the closeted racists out there who won't vote for Obama just because he's black. Have you seen videos of the Little Rock 9 walking into school, and getting heckled? Do you think those white people disappeared? No, they're still there and we'll be paying for their social security for years to come, keeping the bastards alive even longer.
2. Black people don't vote. It insenses me that there are the vast majority of blacks in this country don't vote. People died for that right, yet today there's little interest in politics coming from black America. And to be frank, I don't think Obama is going to connect with those people. Obama is not going to ramble on with fallacies while complaining about how the white man has treated him, because Obama has never really been a victim of the same racism blacks in inner cities face. He doesn't connect with those people. And just as Diddy's Vote or Die campaign fizzled, expect any sort of black movement to fail with respect to Obama.
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I am curious on PD, Willco's, or anyone else's view on this is:
Whoever wins be it McCain, Hillary, Rudy, or Obama they will be a one-term president because of Iraq.
The public is pissed beyond belief and everyone wants it over NOW. The GOP base wants to win it quickly and not deal with it, the rest want to pull out and not deal with it.
There is three options for a president to take. One just continue Bush's strategy of well not doing much other than a purely metaphorical troop increase. Which would cause the president to much like Bush be despised for not doing anything. Then there is the option of a REAL troop surge of like 150k and put the country under lock down. America hates the idea of any more troops so this would cause a uproar not seen since Vietnam and the president's future will be toast.
Then there is the last option. Pull out. The second everyone is gone the country will go over the deep end the public will be pissed.
There is no option that a President can take that won't result in the public turning on them as I see it.
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Cheebs, you make a valid post, which is why I have decided that I'm going to vote for....
... Tim Hardaway.
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Cheebs, you make a valid post, which is why I have decided that I'm going to vote for....
... Tim Hardaway.
Hush I am curious what you think. I say all three viable options results in political suicide and with Iraq being THE issue someone has to fall on the sword and get this over with. The Iraq issue wont end till it ends up destroying a presidency, and no Bush's doesn't count.
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I don't care what the public thinks. America is very fickle and it's people have short attention spans. I've made my position on the future of Iraq pretty clear - I don't support any plan for withdrawl until certain goals are met. It woudl be against my moral values to simply destroy a country and then leave the area in shambles at the mercy of even worse forces outside the country.
If I was president my first goal would be to repair any damaged relationship with allies. While I don't expect foreign nations to lend more troops for military purposes, I think we could get foreign aid with respect to rebuilding the infastructure of Iraq. Repair the energy grids in Iraq. Get running, clean water in the cities. Build more schools where boys and girls can learn in the future. Until these basic things are done - as well as other things - I won't support any withdrawl plan.
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What? Tim Hardway isn't a viable candidate because he's black? Is that it, Cheebs? You racist.
Tim Hardware has a set of personal beliefs that translates well to politics. He already sounds like a politician. He can apply his sound rules to handling homosexuals to handling terrorists. If he sees an Arab, he will simply guide America ACROSS THE STREET and hide the children. As long as we avoid the terrorists, we will win and that's why sports prepare you for the real world. ON SEVEN!
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What? Tim Hardway isn't a viable candidate because he's black? Is that it, Cheebs? You racist.
Tim Hardware has a set of personal beliefs that translates well to politics. He already sounds like a politician. He can apply his sound rules to handling homosexuals to handling terrorists. If he sees an Arab, he will simply guide America ACROSS THE STREET and hide the children. As long as we avoid the terrorists, we will win and that's why sports prepare you for the real world. ON SEVEN!
Better we leave them on the street OVER THERE than run from them on the street OVER HERE
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I just realized I misspelled his name in my second paragraph as Tim Hardware :lol
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I just realized I misspelled his name in my second paragraph as Tim Hardware :lol
Obviously Home Depot is going to play a major role in his run. A screw and a screw don't go together :-*
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I don't care what the public thinks. America is very fickle and it's people have short attention spans. I've made my position on the future of Iraq pretty clear - I don't support any plan for withdrawl until certain goals are met. It woudl be against my moral values to simply destroy a country and then leave the area in shambles at the mercy of even worse forces outside the country.
If I was president my first goal would be to repair any damaged relationship with allies. While I don't expect foreign nations to lend more troops for military purposes, I think we could get foreign aid with respect to rebuilding the infastructure of Iraq. Repair the energy grids in Iraq. Get running, clean water in the cities. Build more schools where boys and girls can learn in the future. Until these basic things are done - as well as other things - I won't support any withdrawl plan.
I tend to agree a quick pull out would be suicide but if a Democrat wins I strongly suspect the publics demands for this(which they already do demand) would be impossible to ignore and they would have to pull out.
Unless the winner is Hillary Clinton, she is too hawkish to pull out. Obama or Edwards likely would meet the public demands though.
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I don't care what the public thinks. America is very fickle and it's people have short attention spans. I've made my position on the future of Iraq pretty clear - I don't support any plan for withdrawl until certain goals are met. It woudl be against my moral values to simply destroy a country and then leave the area in shambles at the mercy of even worse forces outside the country.
If I was president my first goal would be to repair any damaged relationship with allies. While I don't expect foreign nations to lend more troops for military purposes, I think we could get foreign aid with respect to rebuilding the infastructure of Iraq. Repair the energy grids in Iraq. Get running, clean water in the cities. Build more schools where boys and girls can learn in the future. Until these basic things are done - as well as other things - I won't support any withdrawl plan.
I tend to agree a quick pull out would be suicide but if a Democrat wins I strongly suspect the publics demands for this(which they already do demand) would be impossible to ignore and they would have to pull out.
Unless the winner is Hillary Clinton, she is too hawkish to pull out. Obama or Edwards likely would meet the public demands though.
That's where I wouldn't budge. If every president who faced hard decisions caved to the public's demands this country would be very different. From the Civil War to the War of 1812 and WWI, the public has held some rather dumb positions. And with Iraq, a pullout would be suicide. And it's not about signalling defeat, as the right tries to paint things. And with respect to the left, this isn't fucking Vietnam and we aren't talking about Cambodia. An aimless Iraq left in shambles would merely sow the seeds of another conflict in 3-5 years, perhaps less once other nations start meddling.
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Look at Harry Truman. Dropping the Bomb on Japan and the Korean War resulted in him being hated beyond belief. Now he is seen as one of the top 10 presidents by most historians.
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Look at Harry Truman. Dropping the Bomb on Japan and the Korean War resulted in him being hated beyond belief. Now he is seen as one of the top 10 presidents by most historians.
Although there are many on the left who still feel the need to revise history and propogate the theory that the bomb didn't need to be dropped. Truman was a great president.
Lincoln and Wilson also faced heavy criticism from the American public over their tough decisions
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I tend to agree a quick pull out would be suicide but if a Democrat wins I strongly suspect the publics demands for this(which they already do demand) would be impossible to ignore and they would have to pull out.
Unless the winner is Hillary Clinton, she is too hawkish to pull out. Obama or Edwards likely would meet the public demands though.
I used to want a pull out as well but then I watched this video shot by an Iraqi doctor visiting some Bahgdad (however it's spelled) doctors and one Iraqi said the only thing that was keeping Iraq from complete and utter chaos was the American presence. So I now support a big troop increase because it would pay off in the long run.
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Look at Harry Truman. Dropping the Bomb on Japan and the Korean War resulted in him being hated beyond belief. Now he is seen as one of the top 10 presidents by most historians.
Although there are many on the left who still feel the need to revise history and propogate the theory that the bomb didn't need to be dropped. Truman was a great president.
Lincoln and Wilson also faced heavy criticism from the American public over their tough decisions
I feel dropping the bomb was a sad sad sad reality. It HAD to be done regardless of how horrible it is. Looking back on Wilson is amazing. He strongly pushed for a creation of a pre-UN and warned against being too hard on post-war Germany predicting it would backfire.
Wilson single handidly seemed to have predicted WWII and advised on how to avoid it yet no one else in power was willing to listen. :-\
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Who cares about party politics. Politicians are 'education this' and 'education that'. But the corporations won't let your children be educated. Oh my god I'm so edgy - George Carlin
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I OFFICIALLY REBUKE MY STATEMENT. I now do not think Obama would meet public demand and do a quick pull out regardless what he says while campaigning. I forgot about he bucked popular trend and was against the war in 2002(in which many predicted that view would kill his chances at winning a senate seat lol). Showing a tendency of him to go with his "gut" rather than polling.
I WAS MISTAKEN. :-[
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OMG CHEEBS ADMITS DEFEAT :elephant :elephant :elephant
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OMG CHEEBS ADMITS DEFEAT :elephant :elephant :elephant
I still stand that John Edwards would do it though! :-* He is like 100x more antiwar now than in 2004. It's purely because the majority of the american people are. He is a poll chaser! Obama in 2002 proved he wasn't.