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Title: 50 Cent vs. Cam'Ron... who are you backing? (No homo)
Post by: The Black Stallion on March 08, 2007, 03:16:13 AM
Yo, I know I'm late with this but I was doing a one month bid. The newest beef in rap right now is 50 Cent VS Cam'Ron. Just to get you up to speed here's how it started:

50 Cent was on Hot 97 saying some unsavory things about Cam'Ron's record label. Allen Grunblat, General Manager of Kotch Records, as well as Cam'Ron called up the station. One thing led to another and they started yelling at each other over the phone. Cam'Ron was cut off and the interview resumed. After the interview 50 called up FunkmasterFlex to announce that he was quote "blindsided" by Cam'Ron's attack and that the two had no problems with each other. Cam'Ron let out the first shot. He released the video of Grunblat and himself calling into Hot 97:

Cam'Ron Calls into Hot 97 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51GCls9QpSc)

50 then released a video for the first official diss between the two:

50 Cent - Funeral Music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8ntuEH-Z_Y)

Cam'Ron clapped back with his own audio/visual brand of justice:

Cam'Ron - CURTISSSSS! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6eZO2HIkj4)

50 Cent started round two off with this video:

50 Cent - Hold On (Feat. Young Buck) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alWlO2w5pJ4)

And a third party took the time to take a shot at Cam'Ron (My personal favorite):

Deez Nutz TV - Cam'Ron HP Commercial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2xCnO1DL-c)

I had to let everyone know that the new hotness in beef is shooting video disses exclusively for online play. (ie. OnSmash/YouTube) Thus far, this beef has produced some of the best disses I've heard come from either camp in a long time. Cam'Ron actually took the time to start writing lyrics that had actual words in them as opposed to baby sounds and gibberish. Yeah, Jimmy and Jay had their beef, but the use of YouTube and other online media outlets has taken this one to a whole new level. I don't think I've been this entertained with beef since Game's release of the Stop Snitchin' and Stop Lyin' DVD.
Title: Re: 50 Cent vs. Cam'Ron... who are you backing? (No homo)
Post by: bagofeyes on March 08, 2007, 03:16:53 AM
I hope they both die in fires
Title: Re: 50 Cent vs. Cam'Ron... who are you backing? (No homo)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2007, 03:18:55 AM
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This beef is weaak and shows how low rap is right now
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Both are sucky but I must say 50 killed him with Funeral Music. But then again Cam also wins for pissing 50 off this much. For some reason the richest and most powerful people in hip hop feel that they need to respond to Dipset. Why is that? Whatever they do to piss rich people off it's pretty damn successful.

That "Cuuuurrrtiiis" phone call had me cracking up when I heard. :lol
Title: Re: 50 Cent vs. Cam'Ron... who are you backing? (No homo)
Post by: cloudwalking on March 08, 2007, 03:21:40 AM
i gotta go wit my boy fiddy
Title: Re: 50 Cent vs. Cam'Ron... who are you backing? (No homo)
Post by: The Black Stallion on March 08, 2007, 03:29:27 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2007, 03:18:55 AM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
This beef is weaak and shows how low rap is right now
[close]

Both are sucky but I must say 50 killed him with Funeral Music. But then again Cam also wins for pissing 50 off this much. For some reason the richest and most powerful people in hip hop feel that they need to respond to Dipset. Why is that? Whatever they do to piss rich people off it's pretty damn successful.

That "Cuuuurrrtiiis" phone call had me cracking up when I heard. :lol

Since I always root for the underdog I'm going with Killa on this one. Funeral Music was okay but the video was cheesy... I mean, they shot that shit in his fucking house with hired models/security. That's not what's hot. The latest video/diss wasn't as good either. I liked Curtis! because it was Cam actually attempting to rhyme with his Come Home With Me flow again. He's back on his toes from a couple years of spitting some of the laziest shit I've ever heard.

But if you did hear the initial interview 50 doesn't seem like he would be someone to fuck with. Even Jimmy and Juelz don't want it with Fif. Cam better watch out. That being said, I wonder how Dipset gets attention from the likes of Jay and 50.  :lol It cracks me up to no end. Hopefully the Dipset ninjas hack into 50's MySpace like they did with Tru Life.

Lastly, peep that HP commercial if you really want to hear a diss.  :lol
Title: Re: 50 Cent vs. Cam'Ron... who are you backing? (No homo)
Post by: brawndolicious on March 08, 2007, 03:35:24 AM
They both ARE flaming gay, why are they interesting to you?
Title: Re: 50 Cent vs. Cam'Ron... who are you backing? (No homo)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2007, 03:47:12 AM
Beefs sometimes bring rappers out of lazy ass periods. The beef with Jay-Z really brought Nas back to life, for a time; he then proceded to drop a couple more turds before pissing off the entire industry with HHID (which is pretty good).

Cam is so fucking inconsistant. Usually he's one of the worst rappers out there, but every now and then he comes up with something hot like his verse on Gone by Kanye.

I thought 50's first album had lots of good stuff on it, but the second album was just the same generic shit with worse beats. Overall he's not a good rapper at all, but he's witty as hell. He might be the biggest gangsta rapper of our time but he just isn't up there with Tupac or Biggie. This is partly because he isn't doing much that interesting or new.

When you think about it, the four rappers of the last 10-15 who are considered the greatest - Tupac, Biggie, Nas, and Jay-Z- all used gangsta imagery, but they tackled the subject from different angles that were rather "new" at the time. Tupac examined things more from a tortured, contradictory viewpoint that looked at the social cause and effect aspects of "thug" life. Biggie examined things from a more autobiographical, Scarface-esque angle: I was once a small crook, but now I'm the don of an empire. Nas examined things from the outside in the since that instead of rapping about living the gangsta life, he just talked about what he saw almost like a poet or documentarian would. And finally Jay-Z examined gangsta strictly from a business perspective, one which controlled the streets from far away instead of running them - more Godfather than Scarface.

50 Cent has tried molding all of those different aspects together except for Nas'. To me it comes off as contrived and far too commercial. It's the same with G-Unit; I don't remember anyone dancing to NWA or Geto Boys for the most part. That was raw, hard ass gangsta music, whereas G-Unit/50 Cent is like bubble gum gangsta. Which isn't gangsta at all
Title: Re: 50 Cent vs. Cam'Ron... who are you backing? (No homo)
Post by: littlemathletics on March 08, 2007, 03:49:25 AM
Bubble gum gangsta is pretty much spot on, PD. It's complete crap. They're trying to come off as "hard", but then follow it up with choruses that sound right out of a Boyz II Men song.
Title: Re: 50 Cent vs. Cam'Ron... who are you backing? (No homo)
Post by: The Black Stallion on March 08, 2007, 03:56:37 AM
Quote from: littlemathletics on March 08, 2007, 03:49:25 AM
Bubble gum gangsta is pretty much spot on, PD. It's complete crap. They're trying to come off as "hard", but then follow it up with choruses that sound right out of a Boyz II Men song.

I used to be a 50 Cent hater but I look at it like this. Yes, some of his shit is for the ladies, but honestly, listen to some of his mixtape songs/earlier releases. He's grimy as hell on those tracks. Even on his non-single tracks he's gritty as hell. (See Whip Ya Head) You mention how Jay approached it from a business type angle. I feel that 50 approaches it from the mindset of a young, trigger happy stick-up kid/dealer just trying to get by (at least on his earlier tracks).

50's goal was to take over the rap world and he did. You can't do that by just appealing to the dudes. He's always released "bubble gum" gangsta shit (singing on hooks, club production, etc.) to make the commercial $$$ but he's just as grimy as any of the dudes that are still living in NY. Now instead of using guns, he just uses his clout/influence to snub people out economically.
Title: Re: 50 Cent vs. Cam'Ron... who are you backing? (No homo)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2007, 04:00:18 AM
Quote from: littlemathletics on March 08, 2007, 03:49:25 AM
Bubble gum gangsta is pretty much spot on, PD. It's complete crap. They're trying to come off as "hard", but then follow it up with choruses that sound right out of a Boyz II Men song.

It doesn't make any sense. There's nothing sinister or unsettling about hearing someone sing an off key ditty. Once you listen to NWA for ten minutes it becomes evident that G-Unit is a joke. NWA, Geto Boys, Ice Cube, etc all had rather "hard" and violent lyrics, but usually there was a political, Malcolm X before Mecca underlining. The underline for G-Unit seems to be "money money money".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTlGuyN2CN4

vs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnRS-3AyGUs

No comparison
Title: Re: 50 Cent vs. Cam'Ron... who are you backing? (No homo)
Post by: littlemathletics on March 08, 2007, 04:06:04 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2007, 04:00:18 AM
It doesn't make any sense. There's nothing sinister or unsettling about hearing someone sing an off key ditty. Once you listen to NWA for ten minutes it becomes evident that G-Unit is a joke. NWA, Geto Boys, Ice Cube, etc all had rather "hard" and violent lyrics, but usually there was a political, Malcolm X before Mecca underlining. The underline for G-Unit seems to be "money money money".

Highlighted for truthiness.

I mean, obviously it's debatable exactly how "gangsta" NWA were anyway, but at least they sounded the part. I don't understand how 50 Cent's stuff can sound so much more dated than Straight Outta Compton, which still sounds amazingly fresh, even today.

Public Enemy are the same - Black Steel is still hugely affecting and angry. I don't hear anything in 50 Cent or G-Unit that's going to have any sort of lasting appeal.
Title: Re: 50 Cent vs. Cam'Ron... who are you backing? (No homo)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2007, 04:16:47 AM
Quote from: littlemathletics on March 08, 2007, 04:06:04 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2007, 04:00:18 AM
It doesn't make any sense. There's nothing sinister or unsettling about hearing someone sing an off key ditty. Once you listen to NWA for ten minutes it becomes evident that G-Unit is a joke. NWA, Geto Boys, Ice Cube, etc all had rather "hard" and violent lyrics, but usually there was a political, Malcolm X before Mecca underlining. The underline for G-Unit seems to be "money money money".

Highlighted for truthiness.

I mean, obviously it's debatable exactly how "gangsta" NWA were anyway, but at least they sounded the part. I don't understand how 50 Cent's stuff can sound so much more dated than Straight Outta Compton, which still sounds amazingly fresh, even today.

Public Enemy are the same - Black Steel is still hugely affecting and angry. I don't hear anything in 50 Cent or G-Unit that's going to have any sort of lasting appeal.

I agree. There has been much discussion about the backgrounds of the various members of NWA, but despite that they managed to make "smart" gangsta music that sound quite authentic. Then there are those groups like Mobb Deep and Geto Boys who indeed lived what they rapped about.

The current day gangsta rap lacks any sort of emotional weight that gives you the impression the person is even serious. Black Steel has a level of anger that is pretty damn effective. The same can be said of Tupac's work. And to further discredit this gangsta rap bubble gum, it's built off extremely simplistic word play and lyrics. Biggie made a lot of party songs, but even his most juvenile songs featured complex wordplay and impressive flows. Big Poppa isn't just some regular party song lol.

Title: Re: 50 Cent vs. Cam'Ron... who are you backing? (No homo)
Post by: Itch on March 08, 2007, 04:41:32 AM
Gimme a hot beat of somethin' man. Fuck this whack ass beef.
Title: Re: 50 Cent vs. Cam'Ron... who are you backing? (No homo)
Post by: Prost on March 08, 2007, 09:24:46 AM
YEAH BOOOOOOOOYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Title: Re: 50 Cent vs. Cam'Ron... who are you backing? (No homo)
Post by: Tauntaun on March 08, 2007, 09:39:09 AM
Quote from: Prost on March 08, 2007, 09:24:46 AM
YEAH BOOOOOOOOYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

(http://entimg.msn.com/i/gal/Undressed1020/FlavaFlav_BrigitteNielsen_273x400.jpg)

He lost his ghetto pass.
Title: Re: 50 Cent vs. Cam'Ron... who are you backing? (No homo)
Post by: The Black Stallion on March 08, 2007, 12:19:22 PM
Quote from: Tauntaun on March 08, 2007, 09:39:09 AM
Quote from: Prost on March 08, 2007, 09:24:46 AM
YEAH BOOOOOOOOYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

(http://entimg.msn.com/i/gal/Undressed1020/FlavaFlav_BrigitteNielsen_273x400.jpg)

He lost his ghetto pass.

Yeah, he nor Prost, or anyone else that watches that show are cool at all. (http://www.evilbore.com/forum/Themes/dilbermc/images/post/thumbdown.gif)
Title: Re: 50 Cent vs. Cam'Ron... who are you backing? (No homo)
Post by: The Black Stallion on March 08, 2007, 12:47:31 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2007, 04:16:47 AM
I agree. There has been much discussion about the backgrounds of the various members of NWA, but despite that they managed to make "smart" gangsta music that sound quite authentic. Then there are those groups like Mobb Deep and Geto Boys who indeed lived what they rapped about.

The current day gangsta rap lacks any sort of emotional weight that gives you the impression the person is even serious. Black Steel has a level of anger that is pretty damn effective. The same can be said of Tupac's work. And to further discredit this gangsta rap bubble gum, it's built off extremely simplistic word play and lyrics. Biggie made a lot of party songs, but even his most juvenile songs featured complex wordplay and impressive flows. Big Poppa isn't just some regular party song lol.

Okay, I'm no huge 50 Cent fan but there are a few things that are undeniable:

1. In Da Club is a modern day classic on the same level as a song like Big Poppa. I'm pretty sure you'll be able to play that song at a party in 10 years and have the place just as hyped as when it came out.

2. 50 Cent is a very capable lyricist. THIS SONG (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuysVCJ7Ito) shows off that he knows how spit just as well as many of your favorite "lyrical" rappers. The funny thing is that he ended up signing/working with a few of the people that he got at on that track.

3. He embraces the fact that he makes shit that sells. That was his whole ambition from the beginning. He wasn't trying to "save" rap or anything. He just wanted to put out a product that would get him the most money. I think THIS VIDEO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dt6QdIPBgNQ) shows his persona perfectly.You mention Mobb Deep as being a group that lived what they rapped about. Mobb Deep was exposed as a bunch of relative pussies. They've been bossed, tossed, robbed and picked on for years. Yes, they came up in QB but they certainly aren't the heartless killers that they potray themselves on the records. If you don't think 50 Cent did dirt then you're dillusional. He really did live the life of a broke hustler.

4. He's good at what he does. If he weren't, and he was just like every other guy that was coming out at the same time he would be in the same position as Maino or Jae Millz.
Title: Re: 50 Cent vs. Cam'Ron... who are you backing? (No homo)
Post by: Prost on March 08, 2007, 01:03:36 PM
Quote from: The Black Stallion on March 08, 2007, 12:19:22 PM
Quote from: Tauntaun on March 08, 2007, 09:39:09 AM
Quote from: Prost on March 08, 2007, 09:24:46 AM
YEAH BOOOOOOOOYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

(http://entimg.msn.com/i/gal/Undressed1020/FlavaFlav_BrigitteNielsen_273x400.jpg)

He lost his ghetto pass.

Yeah, he nor Prost, or anyone else that watches that show are cool at all. (http://www.evilbore.com/forum/Themes/dilbermc/images/post/thumbdown.gif)
Not fly like you?
He's got the CAL on YOU
You just be hatin'
Title: Re: 50 Cent vs. Cam'Ron... who are you backing? (No homo)
Post by: The Black Stallion on March 08, 2007, 01:04:37 PM
Yeah, welcome to my ignore list. Dumb racist prick.
Title: Re: 50 Cent vs. Cam'Ron... who are you backing? (No homo)
Post by: Prost on March 08, 2007, 01:16:15 PM
Quote from: The Black Stallion on March 08, 2007, 01:04:37 PM
Yeah, welcome to my ignore list. Dumb racist prick.
How am I racist?
I haven't associated anything with race.  I talked a certain way.....  people can do that whether their skin is white or black.

YOU'RE THE ONE associating it with race.  So fuck YOU for being racist.
Title: Re: 50 Cent vs. Cam'Ron... who are you backing? (No homo)
Post by: The Black Stallion on March 10, 2007, 02:29:49 PM
UPDATE!

Cam counters 50's last video with one of his own:

C.U.R.T.I.S. Pt. II (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTUb2hoemBs)

I think the funniest part is how "STOP SNITCHING!" and "Snitches get STITCHES!" turned into "Stop snitchin' man, it's rude!"

I think if this goes on long enough this will trump Game's beef with G-Unit in terms of sheer hilarity.  :lol