THE BORE
General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: FlameOfCallandor on April 08, 2007, 11:37:44 PM
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Seriously there was so much mythology created by the first one and they just threw it away. Fuck even the animtraix was pretty good.
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The thing is, the Wachowskis exhausted the concept in the first film. Once they'd finished with the big reveal about the reality of The Matrix, they couldn't come up with any mysteries or plot twists as equally compelling or believable for any of the sequels. That's what I think anyway.
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They sucked because one of the brother's got sexually confused and got a sex change
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They should have ended the second film with Keanu Reeves realizing he was still in The Matrix, then waking up a SECOND time and finding out that he's really a woman. That would've ruled. :-*
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they're better than any star wars prequel
hell, the third one is better than any star wars MOVIE
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The Matrix sequels sucked because they began to make the outside of the Matrix more important.
It might've worked more if they put more emphasis on it in the first movie, but the whole idea of the first movie was THE MATRIX. Not ZION.
Focusing on the battle between Neo and the machines inside the program would've been a better way to go with it, along with keeping Agent Smith fucking dead. Bringing him back was probably the biggest mistake they made.
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they're better than any star wars prequel
hell, the third one is better than any star wars MOVIE
Word
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Really, all it would come down to doing is making basically a World War inside The Matrix as machines tried to keep control as the humans were rebelling.
The ending would be that the program finally shut down, and with it, the power for the machines. It's the only fucking time besides showing them on the ship that they should've focused on real life.
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All the movies should have been shot at the same time a la LOTR. It seemed like the fame and praise of the first movie really made them cocky and almost lazy, as if they didn't have to try as hard. The second one was so over the top and different that I can't even take it seriously; to date I haven't seen the full movie, and I've never seen the third one.
That entire concept seemed so good and fresh that it could sustain two sequels, but the execution of it was meh
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I think it would've been awesome if it ended with all the humans in The Matrix waking up simultaneously, causing the machines to lose power and begin to shut down.
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Needless to say, this had the chance to be the greatest trilogy of its time, and turned out to be a fucking mess.
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All the movies should have been shot at the same time a la LOTR. It seemed like the fame and praise of the first movie really made them cocky and almost lazy, as if they didn't have to try as hard. The second one was so over the top and different that I can't even take it seriously; to date I haven't seen the full movie, and I've never seen the third one.
That entire concept seemed so good and fresh that it could sustain two sequels, but the execution of it was meh
Uhm wasn't the original Matrix just planned as a once off, then with the success with that they filmed 2 and 3 back to back?
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I was never a fan of any of The Matrix movies (including the first one), so I'll have to respectfully disagree. I don't think it ever stood the chance of being a classic, even the first movie feels awfully dated already.
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All the movies should have been shot at the same time a la LOTR. It seemed like the fame and praise of the first movie really made them cocky and almost lazy, as if they didn't have to try as hard. The second one was so over the top and different that I can't even take it seriously; to date I haven't seen the full movie, and I've never seen the third one.
That entire concept seemed so good and fresh that it could sustain two sequels, but the execution of it was meh
Uhm wasn't the original Matrix just planned as a once off, then with the success with that they filmed 2 and 3 back to back?
Really? Hm. I thought it was a case of make one movie, and if it's successful make the other two. Which is basically what Star Wars was according to Lucas
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The first movie was a great movie, but if they would've stuck with the original idea behind the whole fucking thing, it would have been the build up to the next two. Not that it would be overshadowed, but just not as good.
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No, I remember reading it was supposed to be a one-off, but the Wachowskis had a bunch of ideas for The Matrix universe, and they said they could make prequels or sequels depending on whether the main cast wanted to sign up again.
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star wars anh feels horribly dated, and you ponces still get your twee on for it
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star wars anh feels horribly dated, and you ponces still get your twee on for it
The only thing that feels dated about Star Wars is Luke's hairstyle.
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Star Wars is amazing :punch
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George Lucas is a fucking mess, and so is Star Wars. The biggest pile of shit ever.
Anyone can think up of random fucking creatures, put them in a movie. Anyone can dress up Jedis as taco samurais with psychic powers and put them in a movie.
And if anyone thinks that the Darth Vader "I am your father" bullshit story wasn't used before that, you need to revisit cinema.
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I liked all three. I enjoyed the second one by skipping to where Neo sees the Oracle at the basketball court. I have the Matrix Ultimate Super Dooper edition with the digital transfer of The Matrix.
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George Lucas is a fucking mess, and so is Star Wars. The biggest pile of shit ever.
Anyone can think up of random fucking creatures, put them in a movie. Anyone can dress up Jedis as taco samurais with psychic powers and put them in a movie.
And if anyone thinks that the Darth Vader "I am your father" bullshit story wasn't used before that, you need to revisit cinema.
Plz mention other movie series that had that plot twist. Was Flash Gordon Emperor Ming's secret son?
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bobobobobobobo hero of a thousand faces joseph campbell bobobo
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Really? Hm. I thought it was a case of make one movie, and if it's successful make the other two. Which is basically what Star Wars was according to Lucas
I'm pretty sure that the Matrix was supposed a single movie. Then they so the success of it so they they decided to make a trilogy of it. That'd be why some of the theology\mythology is convoulted or doesn't carry through to the second and third films, since they didn't have a 'grand plan' storywise just a bunch of wild ideas thrown together.
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bobobobobobobo hero of a thousand faces joseph campbell bobobo
Everyone knows Lucas made that Hero of a Thousand Faces bullshit up after the fact to give the movies some kind of academic credibility. Doesn't change the fact that the Original Trilogy is great, though.
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George Lucas is a fucking mess, and so is Star Wars. The biggest pile of shit ever.
Anyone can think up of random fucking creatures, put them in a movie. Anyone can dress up Jedis as taco samurais with psychic powers and put them in a movie.
And if anyone thinks that the Darth Vader "I am your father" bullshit story wasn't used before that, you need to revisit cinema.
:lol
Star Wars was based detail for detail off Joseph Campbell's work on the origin and practice of mythology - of course it shares many similarities with older work. That's also why it has been so successful worldwide.
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The three Matrix movies tied together fine, this wasn't an issue of a 'thrown-together' trilogy so much as it was a case of pot bellied morpheus and rave scene meets viewers inflated expectations.
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Stars Wars feels dated in it's direction. I hate how the story transitions, and the dialogue is beyond shit. I watched the trilogy again over X-mas and it is so average. The only true stand out is ESB.
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bobobobobobobo hero of a thousand faces joseph campbell bobobo
Everyone knows Lucas made that Hero of a Thousand Faces bullshit up after the fact to give the movies some kind of academic credibility. Doesn't change the fact that the Original Trilogy is great, though.
Why did Cambell consider Lucas to be his greatest pupil, and why did Lucas constantly go to Cambell and ask him to help with certain story issues?
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because campbell wanted a slice of that nerd validation pie
dude, the star wars movies are bollocks. they're badly written, badly acted, badly directed, and campy as hell.
star wars nostalgia is as embarrassing as ninthing nostalgia
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George Lucas is a fucking mess, and so is Star Wars. The biggest pile of shit ever.
Anyone can think up of random fucking creatures, put them in a movie. Anyone can dress up Jedis as taco samurais with psychic powers and put them in a movie.
And if anyone thinks that the Darth Vader "I am your father" bullshit story wasn't used before that, you need to revisit cinema.
:lol
Star Wars was based detail for detail off Joseph Campbell's work on the origin and practice of mythology - of course it shares many similarities with older work. That's also why it has been so successful worldwide.
The real answer as to why it was successful:
People in 1977 were fucking morons. They breeded.
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bobobobobobobo hero of a thousand faces joseph campbell bobobo
Everyone knows Lucas made that Hero of a Thousand Faces bullshit up after the fact to give the movies some kind of academic credibility. Doesn't change the fact that the Original Trilogy is great, though.
Why did Cambell consider Lucas to be his greatest pupil, and why did Lucas constantly go to Cambell and ask him to help with certain story issues?
Campbell and Lucas didn't even meet until after the first Star Wars flick was a huge success. Campbell saw Lucas as a way for his work to gain popular exposure and Lucas saw Campbell as a way for his work to gain credibility. The two men hardly knew each other and the influence of Campbell's ideas on Lucas's work has been GREATLY exaggerated.
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because campbell wanted a slice of that nerd validation pie
dude, the star wars movies are bollocks. they're badly written, baddly acted, badly directed, and campy as hell.
Did you like the movies when you were young? :-\
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yeah, and i also couldn't believe that they'd make a show cooler than automan
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Star Wars movies are pretty bad to watch now, but fuck if the games aren't awesome. Let's all play Jedi Knight.
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Star Wars is the best trilogy ever. You guys are funny when you say it sucks.
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The Matrix sequels sucked because they began to make the outside of the Matrix more important.
It might've worked more if they put more emphasis on it in the first movie, but the whole idea of the first movie was THE MATRIX. Not ZION.
Focusing on the battle between Neo and the machines inside the program would've been a better way to go with it, along with keeping Agent Smith fucking dead. Bringing him back was probably the biggest mistake they made.
Once again, stocky is fucking right.
The outside world was boring and made the movie cheesy as fuck (take into consideration how cheesy the first was!).
But anyways, we all knew that Neo would win. We all knew he would become the badass he was supposed to be. The ending to the first just felt perfect.
IT DIDN'T NEED A FUCKING TRILOGY
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The outside world WAS technically important for motivation. I mean we can go blah blah boring rave blah blah, but in order for any of it to mean anything there HAD to be the outside world and in order for it to be a good story we had to have elements of how what they were doing inside the matrix affected the outside to bring the machine and human worlds together.
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The outside world took away the importance of The Matrix, like there might be another way to win the war.
The way it was done in the first, on the ship, would've sufficed. Raves, and even the council bullshit was a fucking mistake. The war should've never taken place outside the Matrix.
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Didnt you like that shitty night watch movie?
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Night Watch was more of a buildup to Day Watch, which was a fucking fantastic movie.
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Underworld movies are better cause of beckinsale in leather! the end!
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What would keeping Agent Smith dead accomplish? Hugo Weaving is the sole source of personality in the two sequels and he carries those fucking films on his back, Han Solo style. Take him out and you have something unwatchable.
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I dunno, I dont think the matrix trilogy is war and peace or anything, but most of the nitpicks from people are pretty stupid sounding.
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I enjoyed all three, but they should have stopped after one. The third one wasn't any good at all.
BUT
IT'S OFFICIAL
TRASHING STAR WARS IS THE COOLEST THING TO DO ON THE INTERNETS AND IT MAKES YOUR ePENIS GROW.
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No, Star Wars was just overrated. It was fun when you are 12 and you don't know that there is better movies in the genre.
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I guess in 1977 the Academy was made up of 12 year olds?
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It won for best Art Direction, Costume Design, Best Effect, Best Editing, Best Music, and Best Sound.
What exactly does that say for the film? OH, IT LOOKS SO PRETTY! TOO BAD THE DIALOGUE WAS FUCKING TERRIBLE AND GEORGE LUCAS IS A HACKJOB
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Wow, stocky, you are going for a HUGE ePenis.
Too bad the movies are still critically acclaimed IRL.
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stocky: kinda sez it SUX
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It won for best Art Direction, Costume Design, Best Effect, Best Editing, Best Music, and Best Sound.
What exactly does that say for the film? OH, IT LOOKS SO PRETTY! TOO BAD THE DIALOGUE WAS FUCKING TERRIBLE AND GEORGE LUCAS IS A HACKJOB
What was it nominated for? oh yea, BEST PICTURE.
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It won for best Art Direction, Costume Design, Best Effect, Best Editing, Best Music, and Best Sound.
What exactly does that say for the film? OH, IT LOOKS SO PRETTY! TOO BAD THE DIALOGUE WAS FUCKING TERRIBLE AND GEORGE LUCAS IS A HACKJOB
What was it nominated for? oh yea, BEST PICTURE.
Gigi won best picture in 1958. Vertigo and Touch of Evil weren't even nominated. lol oscars
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It won for best Art Direction, Costume Design, Best Effect, Best Editing, Best Music, and Best Sound.
What exactly does that say for the film? OH, IT LOOKS SO PRETTY! TOO BAD THE DIALOGUE WAS FUCKING TERRIBLE AND GEORGE LUCAS IS A HACKJOB
What was it nominated for? oh yea, BEST PICTURE.
Did it win? NOPE!
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Wow, stocky, you are going for a HUGE ePenis.
Too bad the movies are still critically acclaimed IRL.
Yes, Ebert just adored Episodes 1, 2, and 3. ADORED.
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Wow, stocky, you are going for a HUGE ePenis.
Too bad the movies are still critically acclaimed IRL.
Yes, Ebert just adored Episodes 1, 2, and 3. ADORED.
the prequels did get pretty good reviews, it was mostly fan hate,not critical hate.
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Basically a double post. Read below.
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Wow, stocky, you are going for a HUGE ePenis.
Too bad the movies are still critically acclaimed IRL.
Yes, Ebert just adored Episodes 1, 2, and 3. ADORED.
AND, to completely show you are a fucking dumbass:
http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/19990517/REVIEWS/905170301/1023 (http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/19990517/REVIEWS/905170301/1023) Ebert's review on Episode I
http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050519/REVIEWS/50503002/1023 (http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050519/REVIEWS/50503002/1023) Ebert's review on Episode III
If you don't want to waste your time, he gave both THREE AND A HALF STARS, which means a BIG thumbs up.
The only one he didn't like was Episode II, and he still gave it two fucking stars. He didn't say it was like George Lucas raped every fan's mother, unlike everyone on the internet.
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I am by no means a prequel lover by any stretch but the internet does over-blow the hate for the movies. The general public seemed to generally like them as did the critics. But did anyone here say the prequels were hated by the press?
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Because they forgot to buy more than one William Gibson book to rip off. So they only had one books worth of Gibson ideas which they crappily translated into 3 shitty movies.
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The Star War prequels were not badly received by the public. I have seen only the hate on the internets. And yes, I liked them better than the original trilogy. They are extremely outdated.
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Star Wars movies in general are really bad movies with enough wiz bang n charm to get the simple sci fans happy.
Granted, I really enjoyed the original trilogy for a while, but there's only so much a person can take.
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Lets trash LotR next!
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Lets trash LotR next!
Fellowship was awesome. And I didn't watch anything afterwards because I tried to watch The Two Towers like 4 times and fell asleep each time.
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they're better than any star wars prequel
hell, the third one is better than any star wars MOVIE
:lol bullshit. The third one was crap. I can't believe how bad the sequels were either. The distinguished mentally-challenged speech Colonel Sanders gives at the end shows why I hate the Wachowski Brothers.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b3/Wachowskis.jpg)
I'm just surprised Vendetta wasn't complete ass. At least it was entertaining.
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The one on the left is the one who had the sex change operation, right?
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The one on the left is the one who had the sex change operation, right?
I wonder if he can ask for a refund. :-X
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The one on the left is the one who had the sex change operation, right?
I wonder if he can ask for a refund. :-X
What if he changes his mind and wants his penis back? :lol