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Title: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 16, 2007, 08:56:55 PM
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On the eve of what is expected to be the biggest Spider-Man yet, Entertainment Weekly learns that director Sam Raimi is seriously considering directing The Hobbit—a choice that could potentially leave Spidey 4 without a director and, says Kirsten Dunst, a leading lady.

Raimi’s name has been floated in connection with The Hobbit ever since a very public dustup between Peter Jackson and New Line chairman Bob Shaye left the Lord of the Rings prequel without a director. Raimi went on the record for the first time about his potential involvement in the project during an exclusive interview with EW’s Steve Daly for the magazine’s Summer Preview issue, on stands Friday: “Peter Jackson might be the best filmmaker on the planet right now. But, um, I don’t know what’s going to happen next for me right now. First and foremost, those are Peter Jackson and Bob Shaye’s films. If Peter didn’t want to do it, and Bob wanted me to do it—and they were both ok with me picking up the reigns—that would be great. I love the book. It’s maybe a more kid-friendly story than the others.”

Dunst says she hadn’t heard any rumors about Raimi and The Hobbit until EW raised the subject in an interview. She says she can’t imagine returning for Part 4 without both her director and her costar: “It’s disrespectful to the whole team, I think, to do that. And audiences aren’t stupid. It’d be a big flop without me, Tobey, or Sam. That would really not be the smartest move. But they know that already. [Sony chief] Amy Pascal would never do that.” Maguire has already expressed his ambivalence about returning for another sequel.

Sony’s President of Production Matt Tolmach tells EW that the studio is cautiously optimistic about retaining the team that launched the Spidey franchise so spectacularly: “Listen, we’re making Spider-Man 4. Our hope, dream and intention is to do it with Sam. But I don’t have a crystal ball.”
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32312

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Peter Jackson might be the best filmmaker on the planet right now.
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Peter Jackson might be the best filmmaker on the planet right now.
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Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Cheebs on April 16, 2007, 08:58:36 PM
My gut tells me he is doing it. But will Peter be ok with Raimi doing it? They both had the same origin's in indie horror.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: brawndolicious on April 16, 2007, 09:00:26 PM
hobbit will probably be as shitty as lotr (that's the OBVIOUS), peter jackson is not the best film maker right now.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 16, 2007, 09:00:43 PM
(http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/60minutes/20061018/0d3c2820cd6c9b76a74a7e3e81af0d17.jpg?x=314&y=180&sig=esfjLEa4HXuXelL4uE2Ghg--)

"Peter who?"
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 16, 2007, 09:08:43 PM
My gut tells me he is doing it. But will Peter be ok with Raimi doing it? They both had the same origin's in indie horror.

My gut feeling tells me it's going to be a trainwreck. Lets see if he can get people like Alan Lee to contribute, or if he can get McKellen back as Gandalf.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Cheebs on April 16, 2007, 09:13:00 PM
Mckellen is willing, he has said he is very sad he won't be able to do it with Jackson again and it won't be the same but he has said he will reprise Gandalf in the hobbit eitherway due to his love of playing him.


Peter Jackson is this generations George Lucas, take that as you will. Very important director and a technical marvel but can get lost in his own power and special effects.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 16, 2007, 09:16:13 PM
Mckellen is willing, he has said he is very sad he won't be able to do it with Jackson again and it won't be the same but he has said he will reprise Gandalf in the hobbit eitherway due to his love of playing him

That's good to hear.

What Jackson was able to put together was quite impressive, on more than one level. He was able to get a team of dedicated (and talented) Tolkien enthusiants together and create the perfect atmosphere and look for the movies. Raimi is definitely a great director but I don't think he can fill Jackson's shoes here.

All three LOTR movies were praised by critics and fans alike (despite the revisionist attempts of a few disgruntled message board regulars). In short, Jackson nailed it - unlike another trilogy that was around at the same time. I would prefer Raimi pass on the product but who knows.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Cheebs on April 16, 2007, 09:18:15 PM
The LOTR trilogy is going through the same thing star wars did on the internet.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 16, 2007, 09:21:35 PM
The LOTR trilogy is going through the same thing star wars did on the internet.

Well if there was an internet in 1983 I'm sure there'd be a group of fanboys complaining about the movie 24/7. Their whining doesn't change the fact that the original trilogy is universally praised, and for good reason. LOTR is the same.

When the movies were in the theater I don't remember barely anyone complaining. It wasn't until a couple years after that I started hearing "you know, ROTK was pretty sucky..." WTF?
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Cheebs on April 16, 2007, 09:22:38 PM
The LOTR trilogy is going through the same thing star wars did on the internet.

Well if there was an internet in 1983 I'm sure there'd be a group of fanboys complaining about the movie 24/7.

Read those archived things on google groups. Star Wars fans bitching about Empire Strikes back nonstop in comparison to ANH back in 80-82ish.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 16, 2007, 09:37:57 PM
The LOTR trilogy is going through the same thing star wars did on the internet.

Well if there was an internet in 1983 I'm sure there'd be a group of fanboys complaining about the movie 24/7.

Read those archived things on google groups. Star Wars fans bitching about Empire Strikes back nonstop in comparison to ANH back in 80-82ish.

Freaking distinguished mentally-challenged fellows. ESB is so superior to ANH it's not funny :lol
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Eduardo24 on April 16, 2007, 09:42:20 PM
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When the movies were in the theater I don't remember barely anyone complaining. It wasn't until a couple years after that I started hearing "you know, ROTK was pretty sucky..." WTF?

I don´t leave in US, but as far as I know, even though the movies were a huge commercial success, ESB and ROTJ had, at best, mixed reviews by the critics (when they were launched). 
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 16, 2007, 09:43:20 PM
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When the movies were in the theater I don't remember barely anyone complaining. It wasn't until a couple years after that I started hearing "you know, ROTK was pretty sucky..." WTF?

I don´t leave in US, but as far as I know, even though the movies were a huge commercial success, ESB and ROTJ had, at best, mixed reviews by the critics (when they were launched). 

Well you're wrong about ESB
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/empire_strikes_back/

Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Cheebs on April 16, 2007, 09:44:03 PM
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When the movies were in the theater I don't remember barely anyone complaining. It wasn't until a couple years after that I started hearing "you know, ROTK was pretty sucky..." WTF?

I don´t leave in US, but as far as I know, even though the movies were a huge commercial success, ESB and ROTJ had, at best, mixed reviews by the critics (when they were launched). 
Yes they both did. ESB was not a critical darling at all, its RT score and the like have been boosted due to SE reviews. Someone did a RT score only counting original scores and ESB got something like a 50%.


 Many felt it was too dark compared to ANH. Remember no one had any idea of this broader "saga" and were just expecting another fun adventure ala ANH.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 16, 2007, 10:19:15 PM
Difference between Star Wars and Lord of the Rings Trilogies:

Lord of the Rings is actually great.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 16, 2007, 10:22:16 PM
Difference between Star Wars and Lord of the Rings Trilogies:

Lord of the Rings is actually great.

LOTR had amazing writing, good acting, and beautiful music. Star Wars had 1 out that 3. Even still it seems almost blaphemous to say LOTR is a better trilogy. Empire Strikes Back may be better than any of the LOTR movies, although if we're looking at total quality...LOTR>Star Wars :-\
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Cheebs on April 16, 2007, 10:23:53 PM
A New Hope: 10/10
The Empire Strikes Back: 10/10
Return of the Jedi: 8/10

Fellowship of the Ring: 10/10
The Two Towers: 9/10
Return of the King: 9.5/10


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The Phantom Menace: 7.5/10
Attack of the Clones: 6.5/10
Revenge of the Sith: 8.5/10
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Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 16, 2007, 10:34:06 PM
A New Hope: 10/10
Empire Strikes Back: 10/10
Return of the Jedi: 9.5/10

Fellowship of the Ring: 10/10
Two Towers: 10/10
Return of the King: 10/10

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The Phantom Menace: 5/10
Attack of the Clones: 4/10
Revenge of the Sith: 7.5/10
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Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: CajoleJuice on April 16, 2007, 10:37:10 PM
I just threw up in my mouth.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 16, 2007, 10:39:12 PM
I just threw up in my mouth.

Die Hard: 9.5
Die Harder: 6.5/10
With A Vengence: 8.5/10
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: CajoleJuice on April 16, 2007, 10:40:05 PM
Now those are accurate.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 16, 2007, 10:40:21 PM

A New Hope: 5/10
Empire Strikes Back: 6/10
Return of the Jedi: 4/10

Fellowship of the Ring: 9/10
Two Towers: 8/10
Return of the King: 8/10


The Phantom Menace: 2/10
Attack of the Clones: 2/10
Revenge of the Sith: 3/10
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 16, 2007, 10:41:30 PM
New Hope: 7.5
Empire: 9.0
Jedi: 7.0

Fellowship: 8.0
Two Towers: 8.5
RotK: 8.5

Phantom Menace: 6.0
AotC: 5.0
RotS: 3.5

Pee Dee's IQ: 7.5
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Cheebs on April 16, 2007, 10:44:17 PM

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The Phantom Menace: 5/10
Attack of the Clones: 4/10
Revenge of the Sith: 7.5/10
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I have a higher threshold I guess. I see 7=C, 6=D and so on. TPM is C worthy. Competent but with bad acting and story telling but some damn nice action.

4 and 5 is more worth of like Lost in Space and Chronciles of Riddick to me.


Fuck it Star Trek ratings:

The Motion Picture: 6.5/10
The Wrath of Khan: 10/10
The Search for Spock: 8/10
The Voyage Home: 8.5/10
The Final Frontier: 7/10
The Undiscovered Country: 9.5/10
Generations: 7.5/10
First Contact: 9.5/10
Insurrection: 5/10
Nemesis: 6.5/10
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: CajoleJuice on April 16, 2007, 10:44:50 PM
New Hope: 7.5
Empire: 9.0
Jedi: 7.0

Fellowship: 8.0
Two Towers: 8.5
RotK: 8.5

Phantom Menace: 6.0
AotC: 5.0
RotS: 3.5

Pee Dee's IQ: 7.5
I could easily roll with this.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Mupepe on April 16, 2007, 10:45:04 PM
fellowship >>>> Two Towers
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 16, 2007, 10:46:00 PM

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The Phantom Menace: 5/10
Attack of the Clones: 4/10
Revenge of the Sith: 7.5/10
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I have a higher threshold I guess. I see 7=C, 6=D and so on. TPM is C worthy. Competent but with bad acting and story telling but some damn nice action.

4 and 5 is more worth of like Lost in Space and Chronciles of Riddick to me.

I suppose I could give Phantom Menace a 6 and that would be more fair.

For me

8=solid
7=ok
6=passable
5=bad
4=shit
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Cheebs on April 16, 2007, 10:47:29 PM

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The Phantom Menace: 5/10
Attack of the Clones: 4/10
Revenge of the Sith: 7.5/10
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I have a higher threshold I guess. I see 7=C, 6=D and so on. TPM is C worthy. Competent but with bad acting and story telling but some damn nice action.

4 and 5 is more worth of like Lost in Space and Chronciles of Riddick to me.

I suppose I could give Phantom Menace a 6 and that would be more fair.

For me

8=solid
7=ok
6=passable
5=bad
4=shit

10=Amazing
9=Great
8=Good
7=Average
6=Bad
5=Horrible
4=Worst Thing Ever

I don't think I ever gone below a 4.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 16, 2007, 10:48:16 PM
You guys are worse than the old IGN Xbox review crew.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Cheebs on April 16, 2007, 10:48:41 PM
You guys are worse than the old IGN Xbox review crew.
I rate IGN style but I don't call myself a journalist.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 16, 2007, 10:49:23 PM
You guys are worse than the old IGN Xbox review crew.
I rate IGN style but I don't call myself a journalist.
Nobody calls them journalists either.  :P
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 16, 2007, 11:08:56 PM

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The Phantom Menace: 5/10
Attack of the Clones: 4/10
Revenge of the Sith: 7.5/10
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I have a higher threshold I guess. I see 7=C, 6=D and so on. TPM is C worthy. Competent but with bad acting and story telling but some damn nice action.

4 and 5 is more worth of like Lost in Space and Chronciles of Riddick to me.

I suppose I could give Phantom Menace a 6 and that would be more fair.

For me

8=solid
7=ok
6=passable
5=bad
4=shit

10=Amazing
9=Great
8=Good
7=Average
6=Bad
5=Horrible
4=Worst Thing Ever

I don't think I ever gone below a 4.

Sounds good. I tend to rate in a way that many schools do as well. A 6 (D) is actually "passable" to a certain degree. 7 is ok, as in average. Like say Blade Runner.

9 is great. I tend to give many movies either a high score or a rather low one. Like Babel...the beginning was rather slow, but by the end of the movie I had been pulled in so much. I'd give it a 9, although one could make the argument that it's an 8-8.5
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Solo on April 17, 2007, 08:43:54 AM
Ill play:

ANH: 7/10
ESB: 9/10
ROTJ: 5/10

TPM: 5/10
AOTC: 1/10
ROTS: 4/10

FOTR: 10/10
TTT: 7/10
ROTK: 8/10
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Cheebs on April 17, 2007, 09:25:06 AM
Rate uh uh the INDIANA JONES MOVIES

Raiders of the Lost Ark: 10/10
Temple of Doom: 8/10
The Last Crusade: 9.5/10
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Robo on April 17, 2007, 10:29:08 AM
Sure, why not?

ANH: 6/10
ESB: 9/10
ROTJ: 5/10

TPM: 3/10
AOTC: 2/10
ROTS: 4/10

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FOTR: 8/10
TTT: 5/10
ROTK: 6/10

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Raiders: 10/10
Temple: 8/10
Crusade: 9/10
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Cheebs on April 17, 2007, 10:34:43 AM


Raiders: 10/10
Temple: 8/10
Crusade: 9/10
Pretty much perfect. :bow
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Solo on April 17, 2007, 10:35:22 AM
ROTLA: 9.5/10
TOD: 6/10
TLC: 8/10
INDYIV: -8 million and counting
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 17, 2007, 10:39:59 AM

Raiders of the Lost Ark: 9/10
Temple of Doom: 5/10
The Last Crusade: 8/10
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 17, 2007, 12:17:39 PM
Raiders: 10/10
Temple: 5.5/10
Crusade: 10/10
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Bloodwake on April 17, 2007, 12:35:42 PM
I'm not going to play this rating game (maybe later), but Peter Jackson is not the best filmmaker on the planet IMO.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 17, 2007, 12:50:48 PM
jesus fuck, how do you nostalgia-addled turds enjoy temple of doom? i watched it and robin hood: prince of thieves back to back, and i was hard pressed to tell which movie has worse pacing and acting.

Raiders is easily a 10/10, Last Crusade is a 7/10, and Temple is a fucking -2/10.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: MrAngryFace on April 17, 2007, 12:52:46 PM
<3 Christopher Nolan
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Solo on April 17, 2007, 12:56:08 PM
Peter Jackson wouldnt make a top 10.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: G The Resurrected on April 17, 2007, 12:58:14 PM
<3 Christopher Nolan

Except for a few films i totaly agree. Momento was so awesome
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: MrAngryFace on April 17, 2007, 01:02:56 PM
So was the Prestige, and Batman Begins, and didnt he do Insomnia too?
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 17, 2007, 01:05:55 PM
yup. the only weak point in insomnia was the casting of robin williams. some critics liked his performance, but i found that he just can't pull off "psychopath" that well -- he's just a tubby, hairy ball of random emoting and goofball mugging.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: G The Resurrected on April 17, 2007, 01:07:34 PM
yup. the only weak point in insomnia was the casting of robin williams. some critics liked his performance, but i found that he just can't pull off "psychopath" that well -- he's just a tubby, hairy ball of unsubtle emoting.

Yeah thats the only one i just hate, and i dont think it was nolan's fault really. He had created the atmosphere and everything else, but the casting was just off.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Cheebs on April 17, 2007, 01:08:23 PM
<3 Christopher Nolan

Except for a few films i totaly agree. Momento was so awesome
what "few"? And its Memento. Not Momento.

All of his films:
Following (1998): 8.5/10
Memento (2000): 10/10
Insomina  (2002): 8/10
Batman Begins (2005): 10/10
The Prestige (2006): 9.5/10

Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: MrAngryFace on April 17, 2007, 01:18:39 PM
Nolan's style is just incredibly engaging even without big budget. Whereas with Jackson, I need him and his special effects group to engage me with expensive visuals. Granted The Frighteners is a great movie, but its really not as engaging as say Prestige or Memento. Jackson got lucky with LotR because while the screenplay adaptation was excellent, he really just needed to bring OMG special effects to the table.

I mean if you take away the LEGACY of LOTR you end up with King Kong. Which sucked.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: G The Resurrected on April 17, 2007, 01:20:22 PM
God king kong was horrible. how was the directors cut?

And i guess i only dislike one nolan film.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Cheebs on April 17, 2007, 01:22:45 PM
God king kong was horrible. how was the directors cut?
It isn't a new cut really. Just thrown in deleted scenes. It's the same movie, but like 20 min longer.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 17, 2007, 01:23:37 PM
i'd definitely put chris nolan in my top 5. i tend to separate auteurs from my favorite directors, because while i enjoy auteur films for their technical innovation and prowess, most of the time i want something that specifically doesn't feature eyeball slicing, violent rape scenes, or jarring narrative transitions. some directors bridge the auteur-mainstream gap well, like many of the italian genre directors of the 70s/80s -- leone, fulci, argento et al -- although they seem to be in declining numbers these days, with modern genre directors taking far less risks (or failing to capitalize on an initial success). i suppose i blame the studios. nolan's one of the few that bridges the auteur style and the more mainstream style well. spielberg and jackson CAN, but the former insists on picking bad scripts and working with the same cadre of shitty actors (someone please take tom cruise out of theatres), and jackson post-fellowship turned into what he'd previously hated -- two towers through king kong are the worst type of over-the-top soulless hollywood digital bombast.

Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: MrAngryFace on April 17, 2007, 01:23:57 PM
20 MINUTES MORE OF KING KONG?
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: G The Resurrected on April 17, 2007, 01:24:41 PM
20 MINUTES MORE OF KING KONG?

I know its probably worse than it sounds.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: MrAngryFace on April 17, 2007, 01:25:20 PM
I dunno I thought Two Towers was pretty good, Return of the King was pretty awful at the end tho.

I actually dont even own the extended versions cause god damn theyre long and the added stuff is really more for the super tolkien fans
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Solo on April 17, 2007, 01:32:32 PM
Off the top of my head, Id put Michael Mann, Chanwook Park, Terry Gilliam, Paul Greengrass, Martin Scorsese, Jean Pierre Jeunet, Michael Gondry, Fernando Mereilles, Alfonso Cuaron, Chris Nolan, Steven Spielberg, Quentin Tarantino, David Fincher, Sam Mendes, Oliver Hirshbeigel, Ridley Scott, Wong Kar Wai, Richard Linklater, and even Bryan Singer over Jackson, in terms of currently active directors.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: MrAngryFace on April 17, 2007, 01:34:15 PM
Ooh yes, Ridley Scott is good too. I lub me some Kingdom of Heaven Extended :)
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Solo on April 17, 2007, 01:35:04 PM
And David Lynch, and David Cronenberg, and the list goes on...
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 17, 2007, 01:35:12 PM
Two Towers was okay, but the script changes and the CG choices started the downslide towards gross mainstream appeal. Dwarf tossing jokes, ARAGORN DIES OR DOES HE?!??!, goofy CG wolves, and the haphazard cuts of the Treebeard bits moved him towards the Lucas end of the spectrum. Helm's Deep largely alleviated most of that by being FUCK AWESOME.

Return of the King is just fucking silly. I have a very hard time rewatching it. Oddly, I feel some of the best scenes are the ones he initially cut -- the death of Saruman and the dialog with The Mouth of Sauron. The goofy CG ghosts, THE HOBBIT BED SCENE, the four hundred different endings each shot with more vaseline than a night in G's bungalow, Rudy channeling Heston: wtf!
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: MrAngryFace on April 17, 2007, 01:36:04 PM
ok ok, you win with the treebeard comments. I HATED the treebeard sequence. Im just glad they didnt have that Tom bomboaididil guy
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: TVC15 on April 17, 2007, 01:37:04 PM
Fellowship - 8/10
Two Towers - 4/zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
RotK - Never watched because the second one was so boring and I couldn't make it through it.

Return of the Jedi may have been a lousy movie, but at least I never fell asleep during it.  Same can be said about the prequal trilogy.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: MrAngryFace on April 17, 2007, 01:37:43 PM
TT shoulda been TREEBEARD THE MOVIE
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 17, 2007, 01:38:25 PM
Michael Mann? Please. He makes nerd movies for dudes with testosterone issues. Heat is a drag to watch -- it's like watching a trucker masturbate. Collateral was good, though, even if casting Cruise was a mistake. He's what you'd get if you gave The Dark Shake a 120 IQ and let him make movies. I'll take Jackson over him ANY day. Tarantino alone renders Mann obsolete.

Richard Linklater :bow :bow :bow
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Solo on April 17, 2007, 01:39:42 PM
Hell, I liked GEORGE FUCKING LUCAS' latest film more than Jackson's. Now thats saying something. Kong still holds the spot for worst mainstream blockbuster of the decade for me thusfar. I'll watch Salo on infinite repeat before Ill watch KK again.

EDIT: Heat IS overrated, and Ive always said so. But The Insider atones for all sins.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 17, 2007, 01:41:32 PM
The Insider atones for Miami Vice. It does NOT atone for Heat.

I could not get past the first two hours of King Kong. I swear, I felt physically depressed when I realized there was at least an hour remaining.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Solo on April 17, 2007, 01:43:00 PM
Ive loved Mohicans, Insider, Thief and Collateral.
Ive been lukewarm on Vice, Manhunter and Heat.
I hate Ali.

Still a great track record in my books. And at least when Mann masturbates on film, its watchable. Unlike PJ.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 17, 2007, 01:46:39 PM
Jackson has Meet the Feebles, Fellowship, Dead Alive, and Heavenly Creatures. How can you not love Dead Alive -- it's the movie the Super Raimi Brothers would make if they could! The Frighteners is also good, off-kilter fun -- it rides that typically Jackson line between goofball and disturbing.

Then again, he also has RotK and King Kong. :/
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Solo on April 17, 2007, 01:49:04 PM
I have no problems with PJ's early filmography - before he got loads of success, clout, and an ego the size of Auckland, he was a filmmaker I was interested in watching. I love the Frighteners, and FOTR was my favorite film of 2001. But after the success of that movie, things went to hell in a handbasket.

Now I fear the 5 hour cut of The Lovely Bones.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 17, 2007, 01:49:42 PM
well, i don't disagree there. i suppose i still hold out hope.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Cheebs on April 17, 2007, 01:50:15 PM
Off the top of my head, Id put Michael Mann, Chanwook Park, Terry Gilliam, Paul Greengrass, Martin Scorsese, Jean Pierre Jeunet, Michael Gondry, Fernando Mereilles, Alfonso Cuaron, Chris Nolan, Steven Spielberg, Quentin Tarantino, David Fincher, Sam Mendes, Oliver Hirshbeigel, Ridley Scott, Wong Kar Wai, Richard Linklater, and even Bryan Singer over Jackson, in terms of currently active directors.
Bryan Singer, suprising! Usual Suspects was one of the best of the 90's and I am really looking forward to his Hitler film that he is doing next (before his next superman).
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Solo on April 17, 2007, 01:53:29 PM
I havent loved a Singer movie yet, but I do tend to find they are well directed.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on April 17, 2007, 01:57:12 PM
Kong still holds the spot for worst mainstream blockbuster of the decade for me thusfar.
That means its worse then anything Roland Emmerich, McG, Micheal Bay, Nancy Meyers, Brett Ratner, or Rob Cohen has done in the last ten years.

are you sure you don't want to reconsider that last statement?  At least Kong had the bugpit scene, that was hella cool.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Cheebs on April 17, 2007, 01:58:06 PM
Kong still holds the spot for worst mainstream blockbuster of the decade for me thusfar.
That means its worse then anything Roland Emmerich, McG, Micheal Bay, Nancy Meyers, Brett Ratner, or Rob Cohen has done in the last ten years.

are you sure you don't want to reconsider that last statement?  At least Kong had the bugpit scene, that was hella cool.
Has Emmerich done anything of importance since the 90's though? Outside that global warming movie.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 17, 2007, 01:58:14 PM
Bryan Singer and Gore Verbinski are two directors I think have legitimate talent if they'd just stop whoring themselves out to Hollywood and pick some decent fucking scripts that don't involve existing franchises.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 17, 2007, 01:59:32 PM
I'd sit through all of King Kong if it meant I could forget Pearl Harbor, Attack of the Clones and/or Revenge of the Sith.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Solo on April 17, 2007, 02:00:14 PM
Kong still holds the spot for worst mainstream blockbuster of the decade for me thusfar.
That means its worse then anything Roland Emmerich, McG, Micheal Bay, Nancy Meyers, Brett Ratner, or Rob Cohen has done in the last ten years.

are you sure you don't want to reconsider that last statement?  At least Kong had the bugpit scene, that was hella cool.

As bad as these hacks are, none have had the audacity to release a 3 hour self-absorbed, pretentious piece of crap that tried miserably to turn what should have been a fun 90 minute, B romp into a 3 hour, serious drama.

At least Michael Bay makes no bones about being, well, Michael Bay.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Cheebs on April 17, 2007, 02:00:28 PM
Usual Suspects was fantastic. X-Men was a slightly above average origin story but it paid off with the very well done X2. Superman Returns is by no mean a great film, but is one that gets far too much un-deserved hate. I am hoping he can pull of another x-men to x2 type of jump with the next one. Returns made a good deal of money(over 200 million in the states) but it still knocked his ego down a few notches, that can only help.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on April 17, 2007, 02:06:12 PM
Has Emmerich done anything of importance since the 90's though? Outside that global warming movie.
he did Godzilla 98' (still within last decade) which makes him and me enemies for life.  Also he did Bravehart in America, um, I meant The Patriot(also shit).
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 17, 2007, 02:07:26 PM
Emmerich did The Patriot? For some reason, I thought it was all a Mel Gibson Production (tm Not Them Hollywood Jewz). OMG NOW I KNOW WHO TO BLAME
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Cheebs on April 17, 2007, 02:07:37 PM
Has Emmerich done anything of importance since the 90's though? Outside that global warming movie.
he did Godzilla 98' (still within last decade) which makes him and me enemies for life.  Also he did Bravehart in America, um, I meant The Patriot(also shit).
well he said he said in this decade, not in the last 10 years.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on April 17, 2007, 02:10:31 PM
my hate for the American Godzilla trancends time.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Eduardo24 on April 17, 2007, 03:07:30 PM
In ROTK, were the ghost guys in book or not?

I have only read Fellowship and Two Towers, but Fellowship was MUCH better to me, because the characters were traveling and it felt adventurous and epic at the same time, I didn´t like TT because its basically just battles. 
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 17, 2007, 03:11:45 PM
the ghosts were in the book.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 17, 2007, 03:16:44 PM
I really liked The Two Towers, because Helm's Deep was boner inspiring.  Fellowship deserves the credit it got.  Return of the King is kind of a mess, though.  In retrospect, Peter Jackson gets a lot of credit for putting out all those films in three years time, but it was probably a bad idea.  The quality pretty much declined, while the effects shots and running time increased and he continually needed more time.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Cheebs on April 17, 2007, 03:18:24 PM
helm's deep lasts a bit too long.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 17, 2007, 03:19:39 PM
I wish it you last forever, you tree-hugging pussies.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Cheebs on April 17, 2007, 03:20:27 PM
Another "LOTR" movie? lol:
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=19929
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 17, 2007, 05:02:40 PM
Nolan's style is just incredibly engaging even without big budget. Whereas with Jackson, I need him and his special effects group to engage me with expensive visuals. Granted The Frighteners is a great movie, but its really not as engaging as say Prestige or Memento. Jackson got lucky with LotR because while the screenplay adaptation was excellent, he really just needed to bring OMG special effects to the table.

I mean if you take away the LEGACY of LOTR you end up with King Kong. Which sucked.

Bullshit. First off, Jackson helped write the screenplay adaption with was indeed steller. Second, he didn't just need to bring special effects to the table. If he did that we would have gotten the Star Wars prequels in Middle Earth. Instead Jackson was able to bring the characters to life across the board. LOTR was an epic undertaking in film making and Jackson perfectly steadied the ship from beginning to end. For that alone he deserves credit - especially when you look at past trilogies and the pits they fell into overtime.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 17, 2007, 05:13:52 PM
 :lol

Phoenix Dark sounds like he wrote the forward for the Making of Lord of the Rings book. :lol

Jackson's involvement with the screenplay was limited at best, it was mostly Boyens and Walsh.  Jackson has never been a good screenwriter, so you can't really credit him with its success.  Also, it was an adaptation - meaning it wasn't original.  Even Jackson said the more faithful they were to the source material, the better it was.  MAF is right, Lord of the Rings just needed high production values and Jackson brought those.  Most fantasy films die or prosper on their visuals.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 17, 2007, 05:17:22 PM
I dunno if I'd agree, at least with regards to Fellowship -- he chose the locales and directed some of those really grand shots. He also managed to make Orlando Bloom -- a terrible actor if there was one -- palatable. If "effect shots" truly were his sole contributions, there wouldn't be this huge disparity (as I see it) between FotR and RotK, since the latter movie is ALL effect shots and hamfisted editing.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 17, 2007, 05:24:11 PM
:lol

Phoenix Dark sounds like he wrote the forward for the Making of Lord of the Rings book. :lol

Jackson's involvement with the screenplay was limited at best, it was mostly Boyens and Walsh.  Jackson has never been a good screenwriter, so you can't really credit him with its success.  Also, it was an adaptation - meaning it wasn't original.  Even Jackson said the more faithful they were to the source material, the better it was.  MAF is right, Lord of the Rings just needed high production values and Jackson brought those.  Most fantasy films die or prosper on their visuals.

I said he helped write it. And it's pretty easy to see where Boyens had to "fill in" certain aspects of the screenplay. For the entire intro  scene at the beginning of FOTR is all Boyens. There were of course other scenes throughout the movies that weren't in the book, yet served to further shed light on the characters for the audience - just as Boromir picking up the ring. Then you have the added stuff that just didn't work - Aragorn getting pulled off the clff by the warg in TTT was especially offensive. God I hate that scene.

LOTR needed more than "high production values" to work. That's an unfair way to discredit Jackson's dedication and work on the movies. As movies like Narnia have shown, you need more than pazazz to create a truly good fantasy adaptation. As Drinky said, he perfectly nailed the look and atmosphere of the book.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Cheebs on April 17, 2007, 05:31:10 PM
Jackson says on the EE commentaries he barely wrote and the girls did most of everything writing wise and he laughed that he was lucky enough to get credit for the script. I say this as a fan of LOTR, PD his involvement in the scripts is barely there.

He is the public media face, his wife does not like the spot light at all.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 17, 2007, 05:32:43 PM
Jackson says on the EE commentaries he barely wrote and the girls did most of everything writing wise and he laughed that he was lucky enough to get credit for the script. I say this as a fan of LOTR, PD his involvement in the scripts is barely there.

He is the public media face, his wife does not like the spot light at all.

I know this. He was involved obviously, just not nearly as much as Boyens and Walsh.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 17, 2007, 05:34:39 PM
I'll do my own rating that's a page late, but whatev.

ANH: 7.5/10
ESB: 9.5/10
ROTJ: 6/10

FotR: 10/10
TT: 7/10
RotK: 9.5

RotLA: 10/10 easily
ToD: 5/10
TLC: 8/10

I really enjoyed Return of the King. *shrugs*  I realize it's basically a CG jerkfest, but I thought it was very well executed.  The multiple ending shit was pretty annoying, but hey, that's pretty much the novel too.  And fuck yeah, Howard Shore's score is fucking totally UNF UNF UNF.  Love love LOVE that score.  Really made the films 20 times more emotional.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 17, 2007, 05:37:34 PM
I'll do my own rating that's a page late, but whatev.

ANH: 7.5/10
ESB: 9.5/10
ROTJ: 6/10

FotR: 10/10
TT: 7/10
RotK: 9.5

RotLA: 10/10 easily
ToD: 5/10
TLC: 8/10

I really enjoyed Return of the King. *shrugs*  I realize it's basically a CG jerkfest, but I thought it was very well executed.  The multiple ending shit was pretty annoying, but hey, that's pretty much the novel too.  And fuck yeah, Howard Shore's score is fucking totally UNF UNF UNF.  Love love LOVE that score.  Really made the films 20 times more emotional.

I think the majority of people who complain about the ending didn't read the book. The end was as close to fan service as you can get. I mean, even the last words of the movie are actually's Sam's last words in the book.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Mupepe on April 17, 2007, 05:38:03 PM
I dunno if I'd agree, at least with regards to Fellowship -- he chose the locales and directed some of those really grand shots. He also managed to make Orlando Bloom -- a terrible actor if there was one -- palatable. If "effect shots" truly were his sole contributions, there wouldn't be this huge disparity (as I see it) between FotR and RotK, since the latter movie is ALL effect shots and hamfisted editing.
fellowship is the best in the trilogy.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 17, 2007, 05:42:45 PM
Yeah, we all read the book, but nobody wants to sit through that shit.  Goddamn, was that annoying.  My mom, who  warmed up to the movies, got so annoyed after that she will now check the running times on films - something she never did before.

I honestly think Return of the King made everyone do that.  Prior to that film, I've never really heard people complain about or check for long running times before hand.  Especially film geeks (omg its longer awesome!).  Now people are like, "Oh no, over three hours?  I hope it's not like Return of the King!"
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 17, 2007, 05:43:28 PM
It's illogical to expect such an epic trilogy to have a quick ending. At the end of the day there needed to be certain things: The actual return of the king, the return to the Shire, and the journey to the Grey Havens. Jackson had to of course cut the entire Industrial Shire stuff out of the movie because it simply wouldn't work (especially after such an...epic climax)

I cherished every moment of the ending you bastards
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 17, 2007, 05:46:15 PM
No, it's not illogical.  It's logical to have a coherent, concise ending.  What you wanted was dumb fan service, because despite the fact that you've not bedded a woman yet, your true fantasy is to nestle into Peter Jackson's man boobs as Orlando Bloom garbed in elven battle gear cornholes you from behind.  If you're lucky, you could give ManaByte a reach around (is he a LOTR geek too, because I'm assuming at this point).
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 17, 2007, 05:48:05 PM
Where in the Tolkien book did the following occur:

"Frodo blinked in the bright sunlight, but his eyes were glazed over with some sort of strange translucent substance. It felt as though he dwelt in a waking dream, albeit a dreamland typified by heavy sepia saturation and high radiosity post-processing effects. And where was Sam? Oh, there he was, running into the room. "Oh Mister Frodo!" his life companion breathed, and his dulcet tenor was ripe with homosexual tension. And Merry, and Pippin too! Oh joy! Frodo grasped each one in turn, and they leapt upon the bed, where they bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and "WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS GAY SHIT" boomed Gandalf despite his own notorious penchant for sodomy. "Ah fuckit," the old wizard muttered, and smiled a simpering grin of pseudo-fatherly affection. The music swelled."
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: MrAngryFace on April 17, 2007, 05:48:39 PM
God that damn bed bouncing scene.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 17, 2007, 05:49:48 PM
Where in the Tokien book did the following occur:

"Frodo blinked in the bright sunlight, but his eyes were glazed over with some sort of strange translucent substance. It felt as though he was in a dreamland, albeit a dreamland typified by heavy sepia saturation and high radiosity post-processing effects. And where was Sam? Oh, here he is, running into the room. "Oh Mister Frodo!" his life companion breathed, his dulcet tenor ripe with homosexual tension. And Merry, and Pippin too! Oh joy! Frodo grasped each one in turn, and they leapt upon the bed, where they bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and bounced and "WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS GAY SHIT" boomed Gandalf despite his own notorious penchant for sodomy. "Ah fuckit," the old wizard muttered, and smiled a simpering grin of pseudo-fatherly affection. The music swelled.

 :kylielaff :kylielaff :kylielaff
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 17, 2007, 05:49:52 PM
I loved that scene. Especially when Sam came in and just looked at Frodo like "yeah, we did it massah"
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 17, 2007, 05:50:23 PM
Phoenix Dark's homosexual LOTR fantasy confirmed.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Cheebs on April 17, 2007, 05:52:08 PM
I am no rotk hater but to throw something out there:

The original novel of Planet of the Apes ended with the fucked up abe lincoln monkey statue with apes in modern america but that didn't excuse the burton film critizism of using the original dumb ending.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 17, 2007, 05:53:41 PM
Did we ever get a coherent explanation for that ending?  I remember when it was released, FOX was like, "Oh, well, you'll find out... in the sequel!"  But I guess nobody wanted to do one.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 17, 2007, 05:53:58 PM
I am no rotk hater but to throw something out there:

The original novel of Planet of the Apes ended with the fucked up abe lincoln monkey statue with apes in modern america but that didn't excuse the burton film critizism of using the original dumb ending.

Could you rephrase that? I don't know what you're saying.

I saw the original Planet of the Apes for the first time a month ago or so (didn't watch it all though), and I was surprised at how good it was. That ending was pretty damn cool too. Imagine if you knew nothing about the movie and then saw that ending.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Cheebs on April 17, 2007, 05:55:25 PM
Did we ever get a coherent explanation for that ending?  I remember when it was released, FOX was like, "Oh, well, you'll find out... in the sequel!"  But I guess nobody wanted to do one.
well it was used in the book exactly as is in the burton film and the guy never wrote a sequel(same guy who wrote the novel bridge over the river kwai oddly enough)
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 17, 2007, 05:56:53 PM
Did you not see the Tim Burton re-imagining of Planet of the Apes that came out a few years ago?  Thankfully, it was something that has been quickly forgotten from pop-culture, like declining franchise sequels (see Superman IV or Jaws: The Revenge) or awful remakes (Vince Vaughn in Psycho).  It had good Rick Baker makeup, but that's about it.

At any rate, it ends with Marky Mark sent to some future or past or something where he lands at the Mall in Washington D.C.  Where the Abraham Lincoln monument should be stands an Abraham Lincoln MONKEY monument, and monkeys are in charge of this modern human-like society.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: MrAngryFace on April 17, 2007, 05:57:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0ff8nxEdEk -- hobbit bed bounce scene redubbed. Some of you may remember this.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Cheebs on April 17, 2007, 05:58:01 PM
PD here is a timeline
PotA Novel: Ends with the main guy traveling back to his home to find it's modern time with apes and such in DC

PotA adapted into a film in '68: ends with the DAMN YOU statue of liberty stuff, stops before the whole back to home in DC with apes of the novel

PotA remake: Uses the original book ending with the main guy traveling back to his home to find it's modern time with apes and such in DC
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 17, 2007, 05:59:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0ff8nxEdEk -- hobbit bed bounce scene redubbed. Some of you may remember this.

 :lol

I literally laughed so hard I cried.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 17, 2007, 06:02:29 PM
Did you not see the Tim Burton re-imagining of Planet of the Apes that came out a few years ago?  Thankfully, it was something that has been quickly forgotten from pop-culture, like declining franchise sequels (see Superman IV or Jaws: The Revenge) or awful remakes (Vince Vaughn in Psycho).  It had good Rick Baker makeup, but that's about it.

At any rate, it ends with Marky Mark sent to some future or past or something where he lands at the Mall in Washington D.C.  Where the Abraham Lincoln monument should be stands an Abraham Lincoln MONKEY monument, and monkeys are in charge of this modern human-like society.

Oh ok, thanks for explaining lol. Yeah I saw that remake, but I can't honestly say I remember anything about it :lol

I'll look for it on Youtube lol
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Cheebs on April 17, 2007, 06:08:17 PM
the original is one of my favorite sci-fi films ever but even with the bad ending the book is far superior to both films. The humans in it were FAR more "de-evolved" mentally compared to the more tame verisions in the film. All were completely naked and basically asked like chimps. Not the mute slaves of the movie. Much creepier.
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 17, 2007, 06:13:54 PM
Am I the only person who wanted to kill some monkeys after watching that movie? There should be a trust fund or something so you can contribute money towards this goal - sort of like those "save a child" charities, except here you'd be getting monthly reports on how many apes were killed in your name
Title: Re: Sam Raimi admits the obvious
Post by: Cheebs on April 17, 2007, 06:18:00 PM
Am I the only person who wanted to kill some monkeys after watching that movie? There should be a trust fund or something so you can contribute money towards this goal - sort of like those "save a child" charities, except here you'd be getting monthly reports on how many apes were killed in your name
watch the sequels. Heston is the reason of the take over! In the second Heston has his monkey pals from the first go back to earth(HUMAN earth) to save themselves the monkey couple get there and their offspring lead the monkey rebellion lol.