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Title: Guitar isn't as hard as people make it out to be
Post by: Himu on May 03, 2007, 12:57:54 PM
Welp. I just finished my last guitar class of the year. I got me an A. Compared to other instruments, guitar has a steep learning curve, but it's not as bad as people say it is.

My hands didn't hurt that much unless I was doing a really awkward finger position. I already formed calouses on my fingers, so it didn't hurt when I started out either. Guess that's what happens when one plays so many games or does too much yard work or something.
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Post by: whiteACID on May 03, 2007, 12:59:04 PM
Guitar is easy. Of course I've been playing since I was 12.
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Post by: Tauntaun on May 03, 2007, 12:59:40 PM
did you play nylon string or steel string?
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Post by: Himu on May 03, 2007, 01:01:06 PM
Steel.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on May 03, 2007, 01:03:02 PM
What happened to VP2?!
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Post by: Tauntaun on May 03, 2007, 01:03:44 PM
oh, nevermind, I read what you said wrong, luzl  :-* here's the new guitar I'm getting: http://www.deanguitars.com/dean_winter_07/razorback_v255.htm (http://www.deanguitars.com/dean_winter_07/razorback_v255.htm) :hyper

Title: Re: Guitar isn't as hard as people make it out to be
Post by: Himu on May 03, 2007, 01:03:49 PM
What happened to VP2?!

Finals.

All I can say is that I'm glad I didn't take anyone's suggestion and get a left handed guitar. Changing chords with the right hand for a lefty would be distinguished mentally-challenged.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on May 03, 2007, 01:06:37 PM
FUCK FINALS!
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Post by: Himu on May 03, 2007, 01:07:01 PM
FUCK FINALS!

HEY MAN VP2 CAN WAIT A WEEK OR TWO
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Post by: Robo on May 03, 2007, 01:08:48 PM
What happened to VP2?!

Finals.

All I can say is that I'm glad I didn't take anyone's suggestion and get a left handed guitar. Changing chords with the right hand for a lefty would be distinguished mentally-challenged.

So you're not strumming with your dominant hand?  You better be more ambidextrous than most or you're gonna run into some problems.
Title: Re: Guitar isn't as hard as people make it out to be
Post by: Himu on May 03, 2007, 01:09:39 PM
What happened to VP2?!

Finals.

All I can say is that I'm glad I didn't take anyone's suggestion and get a left handed guitar. Changing chords with the right hand for a lefty would be distinguished mentally-challenged.

So you're not strumming with your dominant hand?  You better be more ambidextrous than most or you're gonna run into some problems.

Wouldn't it be harder if I had to change chords with my non dominant?
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Post by: MrAngryFace on May 03, 2007, 01:10:16 PM
ARHGHGHGHHGHGHGH
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Post by: Himu on May 03, 2007, 01:12:11 PM
AUUUUUUUUUUGH! VP2 I MISS YOU SO MUCH
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Post by: Bloodwake on May 03, 2007, 01:12:44 PM
I wish I had finals this week :(

Three weeks away :(
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Post by: Himu on May 03, 2007, 01:15:22 PM
I wish I had finals this week :(

Three weeks away :(

What the Christ?
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Post by: Robo on May 03, 2007, 01:15:37 PM
What happened to VP2?!

Finals.

All I can say is that I'm glad I didn't take anyone's suggestion and get a left handed guitar. Changing chords with the right hand for a lefty would be distinguished mentally-challenged.

So you're not strumming with your dominant hand?  You better be more ambidextrous than most or you're gonna run into some problems.

Wouldn't it be harder if I had to change chords with my non dominant?

That's the standard.  Whatever you feel more comfortable with, but I can't imagine picking well with my non-dominant hand.  Moving around on the fretboard isn't much of a problem, however.
Title: Re: Guitar isn't as hard as people make it out to be
Post by: Himu on May 03, 2007, 01:16:57 PM
What happened to VP2?!

Finals.

All I can say is that I'm glad I didn't take anyone's suggestion and get a left handed guitar. Changing chords with the right hand for a lefty would be distinguished mentally-challenged.

So you're not strumming with your dominant hand?  You better be more ambidextrous than most or you're gonna run into some problems.

Wouldn't it be harder if I had to change chords with my non dominant?

That's the standard.  Whatever you feel more comfortable with, but I can't imagine picking well with my non-dominant hand.  Moving around on the fretboard isn't much of a problem, however.

Picking isn't much of a problem for me. I rarely use a pick. My teacher taught me to use both my finger and pick so I learn how to use my non dominant well.
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Post by: Beezy on May 03, 2007, 01:30:38 PM
What happened to VP2?!

Finals.

All I can say is that I'm glad I didn't take anyone's suggestion and get a left handed guitar. Changing chords with the right hand for a lefty would be distinguished mentally-challenged.
Agreed.
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Post by: T234 on May 03, 2007, 01:33:21 PM
I wish I had finals this week :(

Three weeks away :(
Ouch, bloodwake, my condolences. Mine at LCC were over on tuesday.
Title: Re: Guitar isn't as hard as people make it out to be
Post by: DeezNutzRBlue on May 03, 2007, 03:08:43 PM
I'm a lefty who plays right handed guitars.  Strumming is easy, and learning chords is much easier.  It felt a lot more comfortable.
Title: Re: Guitar isn't as hard as people make it out to be
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 03, 2007, 03:15:52 PM
It's good to see young black brothers picking up musical instruments.
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Post by: Himu on May 03, 2007, 03:22:23 PM
It's good to see young black brothers picking up musical instruments.

...I've played numerous instruments.
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Post by: Flannel Boy on May 03, 2007, 03:23:17 PM
It's good to see young black brothers picking up musical instruments.

...I've played numerous instruments.
It's good to see young black brothers picking up musical instruments.

...I've played numerous instruments.
Performed any solos?
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Post by: Himu on May 03, 2007, 03:24:55 PM
It's good to see young black brothers picking up musical instruments.

...I've played numerous instruments.
It's good to see young black brothers picking up musical instruments.

...I've played numerous instruments.
Performed any solos?

At contests, yes.
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Post by: Beezy on May 03, 2007, 03:26:58 PM
You ever learned to play more than one instrument at the same time, Himuro? Is it hard?
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Post by: G The Resurrected on May 03, 2007, 03:28:20 PM
my problem has always been tuning the guitar since i'm deaf in my left ear. But i agree guitar is fun to pick up and play. I only remember a few songs by memory but i can try and play other songs by tab. Bass guitar is fun too. I want to get an acustic one day.
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Post by: Himu on May 03, 2007, 03:29:32 PM
You ever learned to play more than one instrument at the same time, Himuro? Is it hard?

Well, I learned how to play trombone in 6th grade. In the summer before 7th grade, I got a sax and learned how to play over the summer and got all the basics I learned for the trombone the previous year down for the sax. When I got back to school my teacher said I have continue with trombone, and if I want to play Sax I have to start over in the beginner's class, so I just stuck with trombone. At that time I was playing 2 instruments at the same time I guess.
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Post by: Tauntaun on May 03, 2007, 03:30:32 PM
You ever learned to play more than one instrument at the same time, Himuro? Is it hard?

Well, I learned how to play trombone in 6th grade. In the summer before 7th grade, I got a sax and learned how to play over the summer and got all the basics I learned for the trombone the previous year down for the sax. When I got back to school my teacher said I have continue with trombone, and if I want to play Sax I have to start over in the beginner's class, so I just stuck with trombone. At that time I was playing 2 men at the same time I guess.

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Title: Re: Guitar isn't as hard as people make it out to be
Post by: Himu on May 03, 2007, 03:31:28 PM
Dude I was 12 years old
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Post by: Tauntaun on May 03, 2007, 03:33:27 PM
Dude I was 12 years old

 ??? had your balls not dropped yet?
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Post by: Beezy on May 03, 2007, 03:34:18 PM
Oh ok. I asked because I've been thinking about learning to play the piano along with the guitar once I'm done with finals, but it seems like that would just make things more difficult. Maybe I should just stick with the guitar for now.
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Post by: Saint Cornelius on May 03, 2007, 03:34:27 PM
Tauntaun, would it be possible for you to change your avatar to something non-AD related, please?
Title: Re: Guitar isn't as hard as people make it out to be
Post by: Himu on May 03, 2007, 03:34:38 PM
I didn't really pay attention to that stuff when I was that age. I was a late bloomer.
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Post by: Tauntaun on May 03, 2007, 03:35:57 PM
Oh ok. I asked because I've been thinking about learning to play the piano along with the guitar once I'm done with finals, but it seems like that would just make things more difficult. Maybe I should just stick with the guitar for now.

mmm, maybe, maybe not.  guess you just gotta gauge your aptitude for them both as well as how much time you have to practice both instruments.
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Post by: Beezy on May 03, 2007, 03:42:25 PM
Oh ok. I asked because I've been thinking about learning to play the piano along with the guitar once I'm done with finals, but it seems like that would just make things more difficult. Maybe I should just stick with the guitar for now.

mmm, maybe, maybe not.  guess you just gotta gauge your aptitude for them both as well as how much time you have to practice both instruments.
I plan on getting a summer job, but besides that I'll be free for the rest of the day.

:lol at the new avatar.
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Post by: Tauntaun on May 03, 2007, 03:42:42 PM
Tauntaun, would it be possible for you to change your avatar to something non-AD related, please?

not a problem friend   :-* :hump unf
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Post by: DeezNutzRBlue on May 03, 2007, 03:46:14 PM
Oh ok. I asked because I've been thinking about learning to play the piano along with the guitar once I'm done with finals, but it seems like that would just make things more difficult. Maybe I should just stick with the guitar for now.

Learning to play the piano is easy once you learn the notes you are playing.  It all translates to the piano.  Piano chords can have a few more notes, but if you use the same notes as you use on the guitar, it will play the same. 
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Post by: Saint Cornelius on May 03, 2007, 03:47:15 PM
not a problem friend   :-* :hump unf


Thanks dunny!
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Post by: Tauntaun on May 03, 2007, 03:47:23 PM
not a problem friend   :-* :hump unf
Thanks dunny!

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Post by: Beezy on May 03, 2007, 03:56:28 PM
Oh ok. I asked because I've been thinking about learning to play the piano along with the guitar once I'm done with finals, but it seems like that would just make things more difficult. Maybe I should just stick with the guitar for now.

Learning to play the piano is easy once you learn the notes you are playing.  It all translates to the piano.  Piano chords can have a few more notes, but if you use the same notes as you use on the guitar, it will play the same. 
Alright, maybe I will try it then. How much does a decent keyboard go for?
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Post by: Tauntaun on May 03, 2007, 04:04:52 PM
Oh ok. I asked because I've been thinking about learning to play the piano along with the guitar once I'm done with finals, but it seems like that would just make things more difficult. Maybe I should just stick with the guitar for now.

Learning to play the piano is easy once you learn the notes you are playing.  It all translates to the piano.  Piano chords can have a few more notes, but if you use the same notes as you use on the guitar, it will play the same. 
Alright, maybe I will try it then. How much does a decent keyboard go for?

I've actually got one I'm looking to sell for $250, a Yamaha PSR 451 61-key
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Post by: Beezy on May 03, 2007, 04:09:44 PM
Oh ok. I asked because I've been thinking about learning to play the piano along with the guitar once I'm done with finals, but it seems like that would just make things more difficult. Maybe I should just stick with the guitar for now.

Learning to play the piano is easy once you learn the notes you are playing.  It all translates to the piano.  Piano chords can have a few more notes, but if you use the same notes as you use on the guitar, it will play the same. 
Alright, maybe I will try it then. How much does a decent keyboard go for?

I've actually got one I'm looking to sell for $250, a Yamaha PSR 451 61-key
I can't find anything about that model online.
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Post by: Tauntaun on May 03, 2007, 04:11:04 PM
I can't find anything about that model online.

whoops, 450 sorry
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Post by: Beezy on May 03, 2007, 04:20:34 PM
I can't find anything about that model online.

whoops, 450 sorry
Lol ok. I don't know much about keyboards, but I actually wanted something that I would also be able to connect to my computer. Is that not common as I think it is?
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Post by: Himu on May 03, 2007, 08:01:58 PM
Beezy, you can get a good guitar from wal mart for like 100 dollars man. These days, most guitars made are pretty good, so it's a good bargain for a beginner. There's no reason at all for a beginner to invest that much into an instrument.
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Post by: Beezy on May 03, 2007, 08:08:13 PM
Beezy, you can get a good guitar from wal mart for like 100 dollars man. These days, most guitars made are pretty good, so it's a good bargain for a beginner. There's no reason at all for a beginner to invest that much into an instrument.
Yeah, I know beginner guitars don't go for much. I was asking about a keyboard though. I have no idea how much they usually run for.
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Post by: Himu on May 03, 2007, 08:09:24 PM
Those are quite expensive, my man.
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Post by: Beezy on May 03, 2007, 08:16:09 PM
 :(
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Post by: Himu on May 03, 2007, 08:19:51 PM
Check out these prices.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/key
Title: Re: Guitar isn't as hard as people make it out to be
Post by: TVC15 on May 03, 2007, 08:21:38 PM
Who the heck ever says playing the guitar is hard?  It's one of the easiest instruments to learn.
Title: Re: Guitar isn't as hard as people make it out to be
Post by: Himu on May 03, 2007, 08:22:23 PM
Who the heck ever says playing the guitar is hard?  It's one of the easiest instruments to learn.

Not really. You have to have flexible fingers and the learning curve IS steeper compared to other instruments.
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Post by: TVC15 on May 03, 2007, 08:25:14 PM
Who the heck ever says playing the guitar is hard?  It's one of the easiest instruments to learn.

Not really. You have to have flexible fingers and the learning curve IS steeper compared to other instruments.

I disagree.  Guitars are as easy as it gets.  What do you think is easier than the guitar to learn?
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Post by: Himu on May 03, 2007, 08:27:55 PM
Trombone, Sax, Tuba, all of which I have had experience with. I played Trombone for a good 7 or so years, and it was much easier to get into compared to guitar. Sax was even easier for me.

With guitar, you have to get the chord fingers perfectly, even down to the position they are on the fretboard. All the other instruments I've played are much simpler. Guitar is complex and requires much more practice to get in good shape.
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Post by: TVC15 on May 03, 2007, 08:29:08 PM
Trombone, Sax, Tuba, all of which I have had experience with. I played Trombone for a good 7 or so years, and it was much easier to get into compared to guitar.

I don't have experience with any of those, but I'd be surprised if they were easier.  it takes maybe 15 minutes of practice a day to get base proficient in guitar.
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Post by: Himu on May 03, 2007, 08:31:53 PM
Well they were definitely easier for me to learn. Guitar is more about precision than all of those. Plus, even when you learn all the chords, you're going to have to learn how to play them all in one go, and in different rhythm times too. That takes a lot of practice when it comes to your hands. That itself is more complex than the entire year of brass instrument instruction I received in my first year in middle school. With brass and other mouth bass instruments, all you gotta do is blow in and change the rate you blow into it. Especially compared to trombone, which is made up of 7 positions. That shit is easy compared to guitar.
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Post by: TVC15 on May 03, 2007, 08:34:06 PM
I defer to your experience, but still I have never heard anyone describe learning the guitar as difficult.  If learning the guitar were difficult, there wouldn't be nearly as many proficient at it.
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Post by: Himu on May 03, 2007, 08:36:51 PM
Well, it's not that it's difficult, it's just that not all people are made for it. Compared to the other instruments I've played guitar is a step up in terms of learning curve, and requires much more dedication.

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Post by: brawndolicious on May 03, 2007, 08:39:34 PM
all my friends that learned guitar learned it becauase they were sick of learning another instrument too slow.  they could play a full song easily in a few months.  No lessons.

drums are the HARDEST (if you can call learning an instrument hard) instrument to learn in my opinion and my friends' opinions.  It requires a lot more coordination.
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Post by: Mupepe on May 03, 2007, 08:41:20 PM
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Title: Re: Guitar isn't as hard as people make it out to be
Post by: Beezy on May 03, 2007, 08:41:39 PM
I'd like to learn to play the drums too, but they cost too damn much and take up too much space...
Title: Re: Guitar isn't as hard as people make it out to be
Post by: Mupepe on May 03, 2007, 08:42:49 PM
i'm too uncoordinated for drums.  i learned how, but i suck really bad at them.
Title: Re: Guitar isn't as hard as people make it out to be
Post by: Himu on May 03, 2007, 08:42:50 PM
drums are the HARDEST (if you can call learning an instrument hard) instrument to learn in my opinion and my friends' opinions.  It requires a lot more coordination.

I would agree there.
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Post by: Cyanista on May 03, 2007, 08:55:27 PM
I played trombone, too.  And french horn.  :-[  I want to learn to play bass guitar but there's always something more pressing to spend money on. 
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Post by: Himu on May 03, 2007, 08:57:04 PM
I have a thing for the bass as well. I just love the sound of the thing. Bass guitar heavy songs make me cream.

I didn't play french horn! My french horn section in every single band I was in had like 1 or 2 people in it. I didn't make fun of them though, because they were usually hot chicks who played them, or gay guys, and gay guys got made fun of enough.
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Post by: Mupepe on May 03, 2007, 09:17:55 PM
I played trombone, too.  And french horn.  :-[  I want to learn to play bass guitar but there's always something more pressing to spend money on. 
i play trombone!  omg   

i'll teach you how to play bass :heart
Title: Re: Guitar isn't as hard as people make it out to be
Post by: Saint Cornelius on May 03, 2007, 09:24:15 PM
What do you think is easier than the guitar to learn?


Drums.

*looks back over thread*

I've been taught gee-tar a few times and it just never sticks. But the first time behind a kit, I laid a simple 4/4 out without any difficulty. *shrugs* But I'd rather play the guitar or the bass or something else because drummers don't get laid and tend to explode.