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General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: Saint Cornelius on May 03, 2007, 06:21:34 PM

Title: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: Saint Cornelius on May 03, 2007, 06:21:34 PM
Since that was an interesting conversation and MAF is a crybaby, can we continue here, please?
Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on May 03, 2007, 06:23:04 PM
How come there's no thing called a love crime?


I just want to get FoC and PD's talking points out of the way.
Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 03, 2007, 06:23:25 PM
I support Cornelius's position on hate crimes. But I don't support him calling out MAF lol
Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: Saint Cornelius on May 03, 2007, 06:23:52 PM
What do you think about Hate Crimes being a slippery slope, though? You said something interesting about that in the other thread.
Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: TVC15 on May 03, 2007, 06:24:04 PM
How come there's no thing called a love crime?


I just want to get FoC and PD's talking points out of the way.

What about that guy that loved bjork so much that he sent her a bomb before killing himself.  Wouldn't that be a love crime?
Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on May 03, 2007, 06:25:14 PM
I support Cornelius's position on hate crimes. But I don't support him calling out MAF lol
Don't try to kiss up, there's no hate crime laws against lepers.


Unless there are.  :gloomy


What about that guy that loved bjork so much that he sent her a bomb before killing himself.  Wouldn't that be a love crime?

That was a crime motivated by obsession.   
Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: MrAngryFace on May 03, 2007, 06:26:00 PM
When is Cinco De Mayo?
Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: Saint Cornelius on May 03, 2007, 06:26:44 PM
Ask your gardener.
Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: MrAngryFace on May 03, 2007, 06:27:16 PM
Ok.

SaintC: When is Cinco De Mayo?
Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 03, 2007, 06:27:32 PM
When is Cinco De Mayo?

Why do you keep asking?  You're just gonna keep drinking that expensive liquor by yourself. 
Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on May 03, 2007, 06:28:08 PM
When is Cinco De Mayo?

Why do you keep asking?  You're just gonna keep drinking that expensive liquor by yourself. 
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Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: TVC15 on May 03, 2007, 06:28:56 PM
I support Cornelius's position on hate crimes. But I don't support him calling out MAF lol
Don't try to kiss up, there's no hate crime laws against lepers.


Unless there are.  :gloomy


What about that guy that loved bjork so much that he sent her a bomb before killing himself.  Wouldn't that be a love crime?

That was a crime motivated by obsession.   

Isn't Obsession just a Calvin Kline fragrance people traditionally use in the process of getting laid?  If that isn't love, I don't know what is.
Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: Saint Cornelius on May 03, 2007, 06:31:06 PM
ah fuck it.
Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on May 03, 2007, 06:32:13 PM
How come there's no thing called a love crime?
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Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on May 03, 2007, 06:32:24 PM
ah fuck it.
Evilbore threads share my fate, we are both doomed to failure.
Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: TVC15 on May 03, 2007, 06:35:25 PM
ah fuck it.
Evilbore threads share my fate, we are both doomed to failure.

Ok, what about in The Lion the Witch and The Wardrobe, when the Ice Queen or whatever exploits Edmund's love of whatever the fuck he liked to eat in order to get him to do bad shit.  She was using his LOVE of food to exploit him.  That is at least partially a love crime.  Gluttony is just super-sized love.
Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 03, 2007, 06:40:58 PM
ah fuck it.
Evilbore threads share my fate, we are both doomed to failure.

Ok, what about in The Lion the Witch and The Wardrobe, when the Ice Queen or whatever exploits Edmund's love of whatever the fuck he liked to eat in order to get him to do bad shit.  She was using his LOVE of food to exploit him.  That is at least partially a love crime.  Gluttony is just super-sized love.

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Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 03, 2007, 06:42:11 PM


What about that guy that loved bjork so much that he sent her a bomb before killing himself.  Wouldn't that be a love crime?

That was a crime motivated by obsession.   

Same thing, no?   :-[
Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: MrAngryFace on May 03, 2007, 06:43:16 PM
Love Crime = Crime of Passion
Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: TVC15 on May 03, 2007, 06:44:56 PM
What about when Hitler killed all those people in WW2 because he loved the Aryan race so much?  Or when Jesus forced the apostles to practice cannibalism because he loved them so much?
Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 03, 2007, 06:45:27 PM
Love Crime = Crime of Passion

What if a white woman killed her white lesbian lover because she found out she was cheating with a black man? Would that be a crime of passion, a hate crime, or both? :-*
Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: Van Cruncheon on May 03, 2007, 06:45:55 PM
this thread needs more ANUS H0G
Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 03, 2007, 06:46:18 PM
What about when Hitler killed all those people in WW2 because he loved the Aryan race so much?  Or when Jesus forced the apostles to practice cannibalism because he loved them so much?

what?
Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: MrAngryFace on May 03, 2007, 06:46:25 PM
Whichever one gets the best ratings.
Love Crime = Crime of Passion

What if a white woman killed her white lesbian lover because she found out she was cheating with a black man? Would that be a crime of passion, a hate crime, or both? :-*

Whichever one gets the best ratings.
Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on May 03, 2007, 06:46:42 PM
What about when Hitler killed all those people in WW2 because he loved the Aryan race so much?
I was going to post that, I even started to type it, and than I thought... BAD TASTE!
Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: TVC15 on May 03, 2007, 06:48:16 PM
What about when Hitler killed all those people in WW2 because he loved the Aryan race so much?
I was going to post that, I even started to type it, and than I thought... BAD TASTE!

What about when Himuro jerked off to these babies because they're so fucking sexy?

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Is that a crime of love?
Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on May 03, 2007, 06:49:14 PM
What about when Hitler killed all those people in WW2 because he loved the Aryan race so much?  Or when Jesus forced the apostles to practice cannibalism because he loved them so much?

what?
Transubstantiation. Bread turned into the body of Christ and wine into his blood. Catholicslol
Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on May 03, 2007, 06:49:59 PM
What about when Hitler killed all those people in WW2 because he loved the Aryan race so much?
I was going to post that, I even started to type it, and than I thought... BAD TASTE!

What about when Himuro jerked off to these babies because they're so fucking sexy?

(http://z.about.com/d/toys/1/5/L/9/Babyz.jpg)

Is that a crime of love?
I blame all the years spent watching animu. Animucrime
Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 03, 2007, 06:51:19 PM
What about when Hitler killed all those people in WW2 because he loved the Aryan race so much?  Or when Jesus forced the apostles to practice cannibalism because he loved them so much?

what?
Transubstantiation. Bread turned into the body of Christ and wine into his blood. Catholicslol
O ya.  :-\  and here I was thinking that there was some cool niche story about how jesus got apostles to eat each other, that I didn't know. 
Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: Cyanista on May 03, 2007, 06:58:24 PM
Most violent crimes are kinda hateful. 
Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 03, 2007, 07:00:30 PM
Most violent crimes are kinda hateful. 

Common sense has no place her. GTFO
Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on May 03, 2007, 07:03:47 PM
Most violent crimes are kinda hateful. 

Common sense has no place her. GTFO
You're like a boxer who sticks his chin out there for someone to just pound. 
Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 03, 2007, 07:05:40 PM
Most violent crimes are kinda hateful. 

Common sense has no place her. GTFO
You're like a boxer who sticks his chin out there for someone to just pound. 

thats not all he sticks out to be pounded!   ;)
Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: Saint Cornelius on May 03, 2007, 07:06:05 PM
FUCKING BEATEN TO IT. :punch
Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on May 03, 2007, 07:06:37 PM
Most violent crimes are kinda hateful. 

Common sense has no place her. GTFO
You're like a boxer who sticks his chin out there for someone to just pound. 

thats not all he sticks out to be pounded!   ;)
:lol
I think I threw a hanging curveball right there.
Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: captainbiotch on May 03, 2007, 07:18:42 PM
What is the purpose of tacking on a few more years cause Billy beat up a guy cause he was gay instead of because he looked at him wrong?  Are bigoted people more dangerous than people that have no control over their rage, or no respect for society?  Are they less likely to be rehabilitated, and need to be locked away longer?  Or is this just feel-good political bullshit?  I'd like to see some logic behind this.
Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: Cyanista on May 03, 2007, 07:22:06 PM
That's the problem.  I mean, I hate to seem like I'm soft on gaybashing, but. . .it's just as bad if a group of fuckwits kicks in a straight person.  I don't really see logic in differentiating because it's a crime against a political group. 

If you want to strengthen punishment for crimes against the weak I think more should be done to protect children.
Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 03, 2007, 07:22:21 PM
What is the purpose of tacking on a few more years cause Billy beat up a guy cause he was gay instead of because he looked at him wrong?  Are bigoted people more dangerous than people that have no control over their rage, or no respect for society?  Are they less likely to be rehabilitated, and need to be locked away longer?  Or is this just feel-good political bullshit?  I'd like to see some logic behind this.

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Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: TVC15 on May 03, 2007, 07:25:56 PM
It's irrelevant to argue about whether hate crime laws are necessary. . .because they will never go away.  They are here to stay.
Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 03, 2007, 07:31:15 PM
It's irrelevent to argue over gun laws because gun rights will never go away.

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Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: TVC15 on May 03, 2007, 07:32:47 PM
It's irrelevent to argue over gun laws because gun rights will never go away.

I LIKE THIS GAME

The two aren't comparable.  Gun rights have been chipped away at, and while they are in no real danger, there have been laws made regulating them in the past.

If a politician ever suggested that we repeal hate crimes legislation, it would be swift career suicide.  He would be painted as an evil, evil bastard.
Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 03, 2007, 07:35:01 PM
It's irrelevent to argue over gun laws because gun rights will never go away.

I LIKE THIS GAME

It's irrelevant to argue over the inanity of Michelle's arguments because Michelle's senseless logic will never go away. 

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Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: brawndolicious on May 03, 2007, 07:59:01 PM
hate crimes are the only way to make sure that the person committing the hate crime judges the ethicality of doing something violent against somebody because of their phyical/political characteristics and to punish them more for it, however, normally they just make the people who do hate crimes get mad at the law so they spend their time argueing about how bad they are (like right now).
Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: captainbiotch on May 03, 2007, 08:03:47 PM
If you want to strengthen punishment for crimes against the weak I think more should be done to protect children.

I think strengthening punishments is useless when we let them go to cram our prisons full of more pot dealers.  Something like half of our police and prison resources go to drug crimes.  Not to mention all the crimes these people commit to continue their habit, a huge expense because of prohibition.  Get rid of drug prohibition and throw the book at violent and predatory crime.  The country would be completely changed within years. 
Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: captainbiotch on May 03, 2007, 08:06:38 PM
hate crimes are the only way to make sure that the person committing the hate crime judges the ethicality of doing something violent against somebody because of their phyical/political characteristics and to punish them more for it, however, normally they just make the people who do hate crimes get mad at the law so they spend their time argueing about how bad they are (like right now).

All non-life sentences are to make people judge the ethicality of their decisions.  The effectiveness of this system speaks for itself.  It is flawed.  What is a better option though?
Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: Candyflip on May 03, 2007, 08:13:00 PM
I don't give a fuck. I'm glad such a thing exists. The last thing we need in this world is more backwards-thinking idiots. If a longer prison sentence keeps them out of my world for a few more years, then it's all the better.
Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: captainbiotch on May 03, 2007, 08:18:49 PM
# n 2002, State and Federal courts convicted a combined total of nearly 1,114,000 adults of felonies -- State courts convicted an estimated 1,051,000 adults and Federal courts convicted 63,217 adults (accounting for 6% of the national total.)

# In 2002, 69% of all felons convicted in State courts were sentenced to a period of confinement - 41% to State prisons and 28% to local jails. Jail sentences are for short-term confinement (usually for a year or less) in a county or city facility, while prison sentences are for long-term confinement (usually for over a year) in a State facility.

# State courts sentenced 31% of convicted felons to straight probation with no jail or prison time to serve.

# Felons sentenced to a State prison in 2002 had an average sentence of 4 1/2 years but were likely to serve 51% of that sentence - or just 2 1/4 years - before release, assuming that 2002 release policies continue in effect.

Go go longer sentences!
Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: brawndolicious on May 03, 2007, 08:22:24 PM
no, people get life sentences for third strikes (in U.S. there's about half the states supporting a law that makes it if you do three felonies, doesn't have to be violent, than you get 25-life) because the nation is moving towards having minimum sentences for all crimes.  In California, this law has especially been supported because of Polly Klaas (wikipedia her and you'll see what I'm talking about) and areas like LA county apply the three strikes law to ANYBODY that they can and in SF county they only use it for "really bad people" and the murder rate is going down faster in SF county.  How effective the law is depends on the prosecution using it on the right people.

Bush isn't signing only because he doesn't understand how legal systems work AT ALL.  If you don't understand legal systems, then you'd agree with him.  I haven't seen any proof to show that the law is to blame and not the prosecutors.
Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: captainbiotch on May 03, 2007, 08:42:58 PM
I agree it is the prosecutors,  and throwing the book at all violent criminals would only help.  We just don't have the resources for as it is. 

Something about that needs to change, or we need to find a method of rehabilitating and reintroducing these people back into society.   
Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: TVC15 on May 03, 2007, 08:45:34 PM
I agree it is the prosecutors,  and throwing the book at all violent criminals would only help.  We just don't have the resources for as it is. 

Something about that needs to change, or we need to find a method of rehabilitating and reintroducing these people back into society.   

The thing that needs to change is that we need to legalize some drugs to unclog our prisons so violent criminals don't get released due to overcrowding.
Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: captainbiotch on May 03, 2007, 08:51:14 PM
I agree it is the prosecutors,  and throwing the book at all violent criminals would only help.  We just don't have the resources for as it is. 

Something about that needs to change, or we need to find a method of rehabilitating and reintroducing these people back into society.   

The thing that needs to change is that we need to legalize some drugs to unclog our prisons so violent criminals don't get released due to overcrowding.

 :-[ it only makes sense.
Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: brawndolicious on May 03, 2007, 09:00:52 PM
prosecution could do what they want but it's just whether or not they want to appear tough on crime.  In SF, they  are less idiotic than in LA I guess (no offense to anybody in LA).

TVC, California's pretty much the worst with overcrowding and that's because they don't release them, they reset federal standards I guess and are now at %200 of their original capacity.

Most overcrowding is because of the three strikes law and there's a big difference between not being able to convince a jury that you don't deserve to be sentenced under a hate crime or under a third strike.  Juries have let people go if the lawyer could hint that it was a third strike.  People that are convicted of hate crimes and have much more severe punishements for that (I'm talking about people that did something violent, not just say an insult, so they're going already going to jail) aren't sentenced an extra few years of geriatric care, they're removed from society for trying to remove somebody else from society for no good reason.  That's IMPORTANT in a way.
Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: Saint Cornelius on May 03, 2007, 09:14:27 PM
The thing that needs to change is that we need to legalize some drugs to unclog our prisons so violent criminals don't get released due to overcrowding.


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Title: Re: New Hate Crime thread
Post by: Van Cruncheon on May 03, 2007, 10:07:45 PM
I agree it is the prosecutors,  and throwing the book at all violent criminals would only help.  We just don't have the resources for as it is. 

Something about that needs to change, or we need to find a method of rehabilitating and reintroducing these people back into society.   

The thing that needs to change is that we need to legalize some drugs to unclog our prisons so violent criminals don't get released due to overcrowding.

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