THE BORE
General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: MrAngryFace on May 04, 2007, 12:40:55 PM
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18479599/site/newsweek/
Romney tried to reclaim ground he lost in recent comments on Osama bin Laden, when he insisted that it wasn’t worth moving “heaven and earth” to search for just one man. (McCain last week blasted the remark as naive.) “He’s going to pay, and he will die,” Romney declared in the debate. McCain tried to top that, in perhaps the night’s stranger moments. “We’ll capture [bin Laden]. We will bring him to justice,” McCain vowed, gesticulating forcefully and growing more intense by the second. “I will follow him to the gates of hell.” Evidently proud of his answer, he then undercut the power of the moment with a staged and awkward grin.
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“I will follow him to the gates of hell; and afterwards, dine there.”
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hahahahaha, oh republicans -- they're like small boys
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Bit from my obversations (originally posted on GAF). McCain---> second paragraph
Guliani did quite poorly. Unlike Hillary - who went into the first Democratic debate as the clear frontrunner and came out the clear frontrunner - Guliani stumbled out of this debate harmed. As conservatives learn more about him, he'll lose support; Howard Fineman explained it perfectly by saying Guliani is more of an "unwrapped package", and as the wrapping comes off things go poorly. He looked nervous, he stumbled over questions, and some of his answers clearly have to worry conservatives. Especially with respect to abortion. It'll be interesting seeing what the conservatives on GAF have to say about this.
John McCain took a different approach. It seems like I can finally admit that the John McCain we all knew and loved is dead. Yes he's been this way for some time, but hearing him channel the GI Joe version of George Bush for 90 minutes really put things in clear perspective. He started the evening off in outrageous fashion, declaring he'd follow Bin Laden "to the gates of hell." His constant finger pointing and hardline talk came off as manufactured and quite forced. After delivering these lines he'd follow up with a smile, as if he was giving a non verbal "did I do well?" wink to whoever his puppet master is. Disgusting.
While Guliani was waffling and McCain was auditioning for a the main role in The Hulk, Romney ran away with the debate. He didn't have the best answers or the best ideas, but he perfectly articulated them while coming off extremely confident and calm. If the question is "which candidate looked the most presidential", Romney wins in a landslide. McCain tried very hard to portray himself as against big spending, but it seemed effortless to Romney. The only negative I noticed was that most of his answers seemed to text book perfect. But then again maybe that's because the other candidates were screwing up so damn much. I especially liked his answer on the faith issue. Many Americans don't know much about Mormonism, and it has a somewhat negative connotation; Romney sidestepped specific faith and stressed the importance of faith in general, thus attempting to level the playing field. Impressive.
Outside of the big three I was impressed by Ron Paul of course, as well as Jim Galore. Paul towed the conservative line at every possible chance, and this served to really show how out of touch many of the candidates were with true conservatism. He was also unafraid to critisize the Iraq war, and Bush. On the other hand Galore was able to articulate his positions with ease, all while stressing his experience as a governer.
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I wouldnt MIND Romney if he wasnt part of the Mormon church. They know how to apply pressure.
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I don't remember the Roman Catholic chuch - which is far more powerful - having much effect on JFK. But then again JFK had some principles, which is yet to be seen in Romney.
I've had some mormon friends who have explained some of the misconceptions of their faith as well as some of the fringe groups. Could you think of an issue that the mormon church would really try to influence if Romney won? With the fundementalists the issues are more social; abortion, gay marriage, ID. Would they be similar in that way, or would they have more broad terms?
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Romney COMMANDED that debate. I get why he nearly beat Ted Kennedy in 94 and got elected gov of Mass. in 2002.
His charisma/attitude makes you nod your head and say "Yes, yes...I agree." to whatever the hell he says because he says it so well.
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Romney COMMANDED that debate. I get why he nearly beat Ted Kennedy in 94 and got elected gov of Mass. in 2002.
His charisma/attitude makes you nod your head and say "Yes, yes...I agree." to whatever the hell he says because he says it so well.
Would you say he was the most impressive debater out of both debates? While he answers weren't the best, I'd say he was clearly the best speaker out of the 18 total candidates running for president. Outside of the Bin Laden and abortion questions he answered everything very articulately, and seemed to just have command over the conversation. Great Communicator? He was definitely channeling him last night
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If Romney gets in the Mormon Underground Politkkers will force his hand in any direction they want. He sounds commanding now, but if he gets in he wont be the one commanding anything.
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Romney COMMANDED that debate. I get why he nearly beat Ted Kennedy in 94 and got elected gov of Mass. in 2002.
His charisma/attitude makes you nod your head and say "Yes, yes...I agree." to whatever the hell he says because he says it so well.
Would you say he was the most impressive debater out of both debates? While he answers weren't the best, I'd say he was clearly the best speaker out of the 18 total candidates running for president. Outside of the Bin Laden and abortion questions he answered everything very articulately, and seemed to just have command over the conversation. Great Communicator? He was definitely channeling him last night
Best debater of the 18, yes. And even on the abortion question he BLEW rudy away. Both he and rudy had the same abortion problem but Romney came up with a half-way believably (although barely) story. Rudy was afraid to take a side and seemed confused and had to keep coming back to it trying to explain himself. Romney got his abortion "weakness" in a quick one sentence sound bite and was able to move forward.
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Rudy is a fear monger and Hillary is insane and Romney has a weird religion at his back. Choices Choices.
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Romney COMMANDED that debate. I get why he nearly beat Ted Kennedy in 94 and got elected gov of Mass. in 2002.
His charisma/attitude makes you nod your head and say "Yes, yes...I agree." to whatever the hell he says because he says it so well.
Would you say he was the most impressive debater out of both debates? While he answers weren't the best, I'd say he was clearly the best speaker out of the 18 total candidates running for president. Outside of the Bin Laden and abortion questions he answered everything very articulately, and seemed to just have command over the conversation. Great Communicator? He was definitely channeling him last night
Best debater of the 18, yes. And even on the abortion question he BLEW rudy away. Both he and rudy had the same abortion problem but Romney came up with a half-way believably (although barely) story. Rudy was afraid to take a side and seemed confused and had to keep coming back to it trying to explain himself. Romney got his abortion "weakness" in a quick one sentence sound bite and was able to move forward.
More importatnly Romney openly admitted that he was wrong on the issue. Guliani was given around three big chances to admit that his positions in the past were wrong, but instead he said everything conservatives don't want to hear. At first he was just waffling, then he seemed to settle that yes, it is a woman's right to choose. Most importantly he didn't come off as decisive at all. Most Americans remember Guliani favorably for his handling of 911, and his decisive attitude. Last night that aura was gone
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Romney COMMANDED that debate. I get why he nearly beat Ted Kennedy in 94 and got elected gov of Mass. in 2002.
His charisma/attitude makes you nod your head and say "Yes, yes...I agree." to whatever the hell he says because he says it so well.
Would you say he was the most impressive debater out of both debates? While he answers weren't the best, I'd say he was clearly the best speaker out of the 18 total candidates running for president. Outside of the Bin Laden and abortion questions he answered everything very articulately, and seemed to just have command over the conversation. Great Communicator? He was definitely channeling him last night
Best debater of the 18, yes. And even on the abortion question he BLEW rudy away. Both he and rudy had the same abortion problem but Romney came up with a half-way believably (although barely) story. Rudy was afraid to take a side and seemed confused and had to keep coming back to it trying to explain himself. Romney got his abortion "weakness" in a quick one sentence sound bite and was able to move forward.
More importatnly Romney openly admitted that he was wrong on the issue. Guliani was given around three big chances to admit that his positions in the past were wrong, but instead he said everything conservatives don't want to hear. At first he was just waffling, then he seemed to settle that yes, it is a woman's right to choose. Most importantly he didn't come off as decisive at all. Most Americans remember Guliani favorably for his handling of 911, and his decisive attitude. Last night that aura was gone
He was very indecisive that evening. When asked if anyone up there did not believe in evolution Rudy quickly stuck his head out and checked, just to make sure it would be ok to not raise his hand. Rudy is very wishywashy on issues like these.
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I would have loved to see that question asked of the democrats next time. If Obama didn't raise his hand would GAF label him as "dumb" and not presidential material?
Rudy is in trouble. Apparently MSNBC showed some polls that suggest McCain is gaining the lead in the key primary states; this was before the debate. I think Romney will see a jump in the polls
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You guys should write for Yahoo Politics
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Who was the one that said he changed his opinion on abortion due to some work he did with cloning? I never saw the connection.
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I would have loved to see that question asked of the democrats next time. If Obama didn't raise his hand would GAF label him as "dumb" and not presidential material?
Yes. The last thing we need is further distrust of science.
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I would have loved to see that question asked of the democrats next time. If Obama didn't raise his hand would GAF label him as "dumb" and not presidential material?
not raising your hand means you believe in evolution. Only 3 out of 10 republicans did, I expect 0 of the 8 democrats would. I am glad Romney didn't raise his hand.I know he wants that christian vote but isn't going to the same levels as bush did.
He has an aura of intellectualism about him. Just enough to not seem pretentious.
One thing is for sure, I am not under-estimating Romney from now on.
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I would have loved to see that question asked of the democrats next time. If Obama didn't raise his hand would GAF label him as "dumb" and not presidential material?
not raising your hand means you believe in evolution. Only 3 out of 10 republicans did, I expect 0 of the 8 democrats would. I am glad Romney didn't raise his hand.I know he wants that christian vote but isn't going to the same levels as bush did.
He has an aura of intellectualism about him. Just enough to not seem pretentious.
One thing is for sure, I am not under-estimating Romney from now on.
Repost from GAF:
Many conservatives hate McCain and don't trust Guliani. Many evangelicals hate Guliani and don't trust McCain. I think Romney appeals to both groups, and he doesn't turn off independants. His answers on spending were pretty text book conservative, and he expressed them articulately without forcing the situation (like Mr. "I'll make him famous" McCain).
It'll be interesting to see what the religious right does now. Brownback is clearly the fundementalist hack in their corner, but he's not electable and doesn't seem to be going anywhere. If the religious right makes a concerned effort to support Romney in the primaries he could easily jump ahead of McCain. Rudy is a ticking time bomb politically; eventually his time will run up and he'll be exposed as the social liberal he is, which will lose him the conservative vote. If this scenerio plays out, Romney could emerge as the main guy. And while I have nothing but praise for his accomplishment last night, I'm not excited at the prospect of him being president. Yes, he seems a bit loony to me as well.
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They all suck.
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This is my cue! :D
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Okay, I'll stop now. >:(
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I'd take pleasure in guttin' you boy.