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Who is that guy? He looks like an immigrant
Who is that guy? He looks like an immigrant
I'm really not discussing it anymore because the guy is obviously a paranoid loon. As soon as I started saying that the Armenian genocide happened his reaction was "Why do you hate Turks? What do you have against Turkey? What nationality are you!?" I'm sure he's convinced I'm some sort of Armenian propagandist.
Ichirou still hasn't told how saying "armenia refuses a debate" is being racist. Oh well, that's what you get when you argue with dumbasses. I don't expect a clever answer for this anyway. Maybe some crying and insults towards Turks and that's it.
Besides you also haven't told what nationality you are.
More paranoid bullshit. I'm not Armenian, if that's what you're trying to ask.
And P.S., calling it "the Armenian myth" and saying Armenians are lying when talking about genocide smacks of racism.
Cheebs is right, I'm not going to keep discussing this with a fanatic. This has about the same intellectual value as discussing civil rights with a KKK member.
Are you even aware how stupid you sound? In the other thread, you said you'd studied the Armenian genocide and had come to your beliefs after reviewing the evidence. Then you changed your story and said you really didn't know shit so I should go to discuss it on GAF with people who really know stuff. So basically your opinion is based on your blind beliefs, not any actual hard evidence.
And nobody cried during this discussion but you. You begged the mods over and over to ban me because you had such a hard time getting back at me (debunked your claims that I grew up in Turkish propaganda anyone?)
Boogie do you ever sing the tralala song for your lady?
yes he is.Boogie do you ever sing the tralala song for your lady?
the what song?
Powerslave, what exactly is your position? Are you denying that the massacres of Armenians took place?
yes he is.Boogie do you ever sing the tralala song for your lady?
the what song?
Powerslave, what exactly is your position? Are you denying that the massacres of Armenians took place?
and apparently prohibiting free speech rocks and is acceptable!
Powerslave, what exactly is your position? Are you denying that the massacres of Armenians took place?
Powerslave, your answer brings me to another question. What makes you think that Turkey would go into any sort of debate open-minded and willing to look at its own history when it's obvious from their domestic policies that they've already decided what happened? Like you said, the government's position is that the genocide did not occur and the laws are there to reinforce that viewpoint and to discourage dissent. So why would Armenia expect to be dealt with evenhandedly or fairly in any international debate?
Powerslave, your answer brings me to another question. What makes you think that Turkey would go into any sort of debate open-minded and willing to look at its own history when it's obvious from their domestic policies that they've already decided what happened? Like you said, the government's position is that the genocide did not occur and the laws are there to reinforce that viewpoint and to discourage dissent. So why would Armenia expect to be dealt with evenhandedly or fairly in any international debate?
I don't know what you're implying with this. "Open minded"? So you mean that Turkey is close-minded about this and is not fully convinced of their stand?
Imagine an incident in which a person is being set-up by a group of people. He knows it's not the truth but a large crowd has 'evidence' and is witness that he actually did commit a crime.
Why would any falsely accused person go to court to defend himself after all these claims? The truth?
And I can't believe you talked about how it is Armenia who would be expected to be treated fairly. Wasn't it Turkey who everybody pointed their fingers at?
Quote from: BoogiePowerslave, what exactly is your position? Are you denying that the massacres of Armenians took place?
No. There was indeed an incredible amount of Armenians who died (fun fact: a lot of Turks died during that time too but no one cares about them, I mean they are just Turks am I right) but it was the result of a battle that took place back then. That's basically what this all boils down to. No one, and I literally mean no one is denying that a lot of Armenians died but the description 'genocide' is simply the only thing we are opposing against. Don't you know that the Ottoman Empire was already at war on multiple fronts during those periods? And that WWI was actually taking place at the same time?
Boogie, I know you're a busy guy, but please correct Powerslave. I took history courses so I know the basics in regards to the Armenian genocide, but...what I don't get on Powerslave's part is his belief that there's all these files in Armenia that prove the genocide didn't happen, when the genocide was initiated by the turkish government - I mean, doesn't it stand to reason that all these files would be in Turkey, NOT Armenia?
It is amazing how people (like Powerslave) can still be brainwashed by a government in this day in age where it is so easy to access historical facts such as with the internet.
It's fascinating, almost.
still, overall in this day and age it is amazing how a government can have suxch brainwash like control over a country.
And that's not considering all the evidence that proves the genocide occurred, which it sounds like you haven't even bothered reading about.
This debate has been enlightening at least in that I've learned a little bit how you conspiracy theorists wackjobs think, and how you are willing to bend, twist, and outright break logic just so the world somehow fits your point of view.
How about posting some proof, Powerslave?
How about posting some proof, Powerslave?He is brainwashed by his government, I don't get why people are still arguing with him. I pity powerslave, it is depressing in this day and age government's can still exert brainwash like control.
Like I said before, you don't do this on GAF because other people there have more knowledge about this and would make it hard for you to continue the debate
How about posting some proof, Powerslave?
Sadly, this sort of historical negationism is not exclusive to the Armenian genocide. The Japanese government is trying to do something similar with the "comfort women" situation. And heck, if you want to see a government that's totally brainwashed its people, you have to look no further than North Korea.
It really is enlightening to look at someone like Powerslave, ignoring all evidence to the contrary and clinging to his ridiculous belief because to acknowledge otherwise would destroy his perfect little universe that exists only inside his head.
Turkey, the country found guilty wants an int debate,
here we go in circles again..
the "they fought a battle part" ?
I stand by my point that I want a true int debate
That's nice. Tell me why you lied (or why you made an assertion that is false).
I stand by my point that I want a true int debate
Wait, so you were just substituting your own desires for the government of Turkey? You went from "Turkey wants an international debate" to "I want a true international debate". There is quite the difference in the two statements, don't you agree?
Quote from: BoogieThat's nice. Tell me why you lied (or why you made an assertion that is false).
The archive thing? Read the first line from my previous post.
I am Turkey, am I not.
As in, the government and it's people.
Uhh Turkey wants a debate doesn't exactly exclude the Turkish people. By the way, what are you actually trying to get at with this? The Turkish government wants a debate, and the turkish people don't? What is it that you're trying to nitpick here?
Let's face it, no matter what I say, other nitpickings are gonna come out of it. I stand by my point that I want an debate (ALONGSIDE OF THE TURKISH GOVERNMENT AND MAYBE SOME OF ITS PEOPLE) and whatever the outcome is, I accept it.
Uhh Turkey wants a debate doesn't exactly exclude the Turkish people. By the way, what are you actually trying to get at with this? The Turkish government wants a debate, and the turkish people don't? What is it that you're trying to nitpick here?
I'm not nitpicking. I'm trying to get you to PROVIDE EVIDENCE FOR YOUR ASSERTIONS. Saying that "Turkey wants a debate" would suggest that the government of Turkey wants a debate. Provide evidence of that desire, please.
Because all the evidence points to the contrary being the case, what with the suppression of internal debate and all.
So why aren't we taking this to GAF again? You guys apparenlty have no problem with discussing this, despite saying that you don't want to. Should I invite some of the people there to here or something? Or do you want to continue debating an extremely difficult part of history with a guy with limited knowledge? That's what I thought.
Not only Remedy, nu_faust and Ramzaiscool also seem to know quite a few things about this. Although im not really sure what Ramza's stand is.Remedy knows nothing about ANYTHING. Anyone who believes 9/11 was a inside job has no right to state an opinion on anything.
:hans1 :hans1 :hans1 :hans1Not only Remedy, nu_faust and Ramzaiscool also seem to know quite a few things about this. Although im not really sure what Ramza's stand is.Remedy knows nothing about ANYTHING. Anyone who believes 9/11 was a inside job has no right to state an opinion on anything.
Not only Remedy, nu_faust and Ramzaiscool also seem to know quite a few things about this. Although im not really sure what Ramza's stand is.Remedy knows nothing about ANYTHING. Anyone who believes 9/11 was a inside job has no right to state an opinion on anything.
Not only Remedy, nu_faust and Ramzaiscool also seem to know quite a few things about this. Although im not really sure what Ramza's stand is.Remedy knows nothing about ANYTHING. Anyone who believes 9/11 was a inside job has no right to state an opinion on anything.
I wonder if he thinks the US deserved to be attacked on 911