Geography
10 points - Michigan resident
6 points - Underrepresented Michigan county
2 points - Underrepresented state
Alumni
4 points - "Legacy" (parents, step-parents)
1 point - Other (grandparents, siblings, spouses)
S.A.T.
12 points-Perfect score
Essay
1 point - Outstanding essay (since 1999, 3 points)
Personal achievement
1 point - State
3 points - Regional
5 points - National
Leadership and service
1 point - State
3 points - Regional
5 points - National
Miscellaneous
20 points - Socio-economic disadvantage
20 points - Underrepresented racial-ethnic minority identification or education
5 points - Men in nursing
20 points - Scholarship athlete
20 points - Provost's discretion
Maximum of 40 points and only one option is assigned in the alumni, personal achievement, leadership & service, and miscellaneous categories.
and you're going to university in michigan.cause I live there!
Basically the points system almost gave people as much points for being black as it did for being the child of alumni.No, read the first post.
Basically the points system almost gave people as much points for being black as it did for being the child of alumni.No, read the first post.
It's still there but it doesn't have quite as much power, I heard they just raised the score of the SAT.
Wait PD, I thought you were in favor of AA?he is the only black man in michigan to vote against it last fall.
It would be cool that he can get beyond identity politics, but I recall that he was in favor of AA.Wait PD, I thought you were in favor of AA?he is the only black man in michigan to vote against it last fall.
Wait PD, I thought you were in favor of AA?
Wait PD, I thought you were in favor of AA?
I'm conflicted on it. On one hand I feel that certain aspects of AA merely serve to level the playing field so to speak, and I'm perfectly fine with that. But when it comes to giving people stuff they don't deserve, I can't support that.
Wait PD, I thought you were in favor of AA?
I'm conflicted on it. On one hand I feel that certain aspects of AA merely serve to level the playing field so to speak, and I'm perfectly fine with that. But when it comes to giving people stuff they don't deserve, I can't support that.
There's no such thing as a level playing field. And AA based on race sure doesn't make the field any more level.
That would be more palatable, and more fair since all individuals from poor backgrounds would be helped, and not just those of a particular race. However, in the end, I think universities belong to those of merit and talent. Income should come into play for securing loans, grants, bursaries, etc., but not admissions.Wait PD, I thought you were in favor of AA?
I'm conflicted on it. On one hand I feel that certain aspects of AA merely serve to level the playing field so to speak, and I'm perfectly fine with that. But when it comes to giving people stuff they don't deserve, I can't support that.
There's no such thing as a level playing field. And AA based on race sure doesn't make the field any more level.
I tend to think that at times. It seems to me that stuff like that shouldn't be legislated...but I still feel the need to support it somehow because I'm black. It's conflicting, as I said.
I'd rather see AA based on class and economic wealth, at least with respect to getting into colleges.
That would be more palatable, and more fair since all individuals from poor backgrounds would be helped, and not just those of a particular race. However, in the end, I think universities belong to those of merit and talent. Income should come into play for securing loans, grants, bursaries, etc., but not admissions.Wait PD, I thought you were in favor of AA?
I'm conflicted on it. On one hand I feel that certain aspects of AA merely serve to level the playing field so to speak, and I'm perfectly fine with that. But when it comes to giving people stuff they don't deserve, I can't support that.
There's no such thing as a level playing field. And AA based on race sure doesn't make the field any more level.
I tend to think that at times. It seems to me that stuff like that shouldn't be legislated...but I still feel the need to support it somehow because I'm black. It's conflicting, as I said.
I'd rather see AA based on class and economic wealth, at least with respect to getting into colleges.
Like they haven't already.That would be more palatable, and more fair since all individuals from poor backgrounds would be helped, and not just those of a particular race. However, in the end, I think universities belong to those of merit and talent. Income should come into play for securing loans, grants, bursaries, etc., but not admissions.Wait PD, I thought you were in favor of AA?
I'm conflicted on it. On one hand I feel that certain aspects of AA merely serve to level the playing field so to speak, and I'm perfectly fine with that. But when it comes to giving people stuff they don't deserve, I can't support that.
There's no such thing as a level playing field. And AA based on race sure doesn't make the field any more level.
I tend to think that at times. It seems to me that stuff like that shouldn't be legislated...but I still feel the need to support it somehow because I'm black. It's conflicting, as I said.
I'd rather see AA based on class and economic wealth, at least with respect to getting into colleges.
True. They're gonna call me an Uncle Tom :-\
Wound up getting an A in mine lolI got a A+ in criminology. Want to go? :punch
Wound up getting an A in mine lolI got a A+ in criminology. Want to go? :punch
Surveys have shown that AA applicants for jobs have a higher pre-disposition to contribute to society.
Any studies on outcomes and job performance? Because 'predisposition to contribute to society' sounds like unquantifiable flaky grade A bullcrap.I can't find any but the point is that Affirmative Action could work for jobs but is total bs for school.
Surveys have shown that AA applicants for jobs have a higher pre-disposition to contribute to society.
Any studies on outcomes and job performance? Because 'predisposition to contribute to society' sounds like unquantifiable flaky grade A bullcrap.
It's supposed to be for when your race prevents you from getting a job.No it is not. That's what anti-discrimination laws are for.
Can't really control it.
Can't really control it.Yeah, but AA laws are not there to protect people who don't get jobs because of their race. That was the initial purpose when JFK introduced it, however since then AA has shifted towards preferential treatment for members of groups who have suffered historical disadvantages. So an individual need not necessarily experience actual discrimination in order to be benefited by such a program.
You have to assume that this is only used for a field. where ALL jobs in an area are limited from a certain race.Why does this assumption have to be made?
Why does this assumption have to be made?I'm saying that the law should be used in areas where there is heavy segregation to the point where it's hard to get a job because of your race.
Inequality of outcomes is not de facto evidence of discrimination. That most nurses are women, for example, is not evidence that men are being discriminated against and need legislative help from the government. Just because the NFL and NBA are heavily segregated does not mean that non-African Americans are being systematically discriminated against.Why does this assumption have to be made?I'm saying that the law should be used in areas where there is heavy segregation to the point where it's hard to get a job because of your race.
Women are more likely to be nurses because there is a cultural stigma against men. In professional sports, they really don't care about your skin color (note Dirk Nowitzki becoming player of the year).That was the point I was making. "Inequality of outcomes is not de facto evidence of discrimination."
Right, but you could prove racism with equal application rates.No you couldn't. If 60 people try out for a basketball team (half are white and half are black) and the coach selects 11 black guys and 1 white guy, this is no evidence of racial discrimination.
Genetics or culture could heavily influence what type of sports a person plays.And culture or genetics could influence the variation in traits and abilities within a group or sub-groub for all kinds of other jobs.